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In this episode of "Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings" KJ Tells the story of Eric Hill's struggles with mental health and a toxic relationship, culminating in the murder of his grandmother, Selma. It reveals the premeditated violence and harsh realities of domestic turmoil.

Timestamps
13:30 Meet Miss Sally
15:58 The First Thanksgiving Without Her
19:06 The Honeymoon Phase
20:42 Financial Struggles Arise
22:35 The Tension Grows
27:35 A Family in Crisis
38:21 A Disturbing Discovery
54:13 Evidence in the Prius
1:03:03 The Shocking Findings

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all's kJ

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You're back for another pisode of Unspeakable. How is it going?

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I'm recording this the week of Thanksgiving, which is one

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of my favorite holidays because right, family comes in and

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they hang out. We get to eat and we gobble

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till we wobble. And that's what it's all about, right,

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is to love one another and be together. So I

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hope that when you're listening to this that you have

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a wonderful Thanksgiving and that you have all the food,

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all the friends, and all the family that your heart

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could desire. But if you don't, hey, you're listening to me,

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I'll be there with you. So let's hang out together.

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Before I get into this episode, I have to tell

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y'all something kind of cool that happens. So I know

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a lot of us are on TikTok and we're scrolling through.

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I don't know about you. I jump in the bathtub

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and I'm just sitting there scrolling through TikTok and I

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love watching this lady do cleaning videos. I don't know

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it's therapeutic. I guess because I'm a woman and watching

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someone else clean and looking to get all, you know,

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made new is awesome. Well, I'm watching the video and

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then somebody said in the comments, what do you listen

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to while you're cleaning? And I shit you not. Her

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response was unspeakable by Kelly Jennings, and I about fell out.

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I was so tickled by this. And then she made

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a video telling people that she listens to my podcast

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as well as Jim's exposed podcast, and I just thought

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that was the greatest thing ever. If y'all want to

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go check it out, she's the uh she's called the

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crazy the Crazy cleaning Lady too too too. Go check

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her out on TikTok. And I'm not too I'm not

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too proud to say I was tickled by that and

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it just made my day. So girl, you get it, girl, clean,

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clean clean. And I hope that uh, some people go

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check out this videos. Maybe they'll relax them like they

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relax me. But that was awesome and I'm so glad

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that I'm helping your day go by faster. That just

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means the world to me. And if you could see

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the smile on my face right now, I'm just tickled shitless.

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But in this episode, let's go roll right on out

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to Alameda, California, and this is the home of Eric Hill.

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So Eric is a single guy. He's in his twenties

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and all around super super nice guy, down to earth.

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He did have some struggles. Okay, so his struggles included

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emotional and my god, the world that we live in today,

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don't we all haven't we all been through something right

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where emotions just got the best of us. But his

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emotional problems were probably stronger than the average bears. He

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suffered from severe depression, He had suicidal tendencies from time

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to time, and just was really really having a hard

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time with his mental health. But he wasn't dumb. He

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worked hard to control these issues. He even took medication

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He had been on medication since high school and it

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seemed to work really well for him. He had a

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regimented plan to try to recognize, understand, and control, to

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the best of his abilities, the problems that he was

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having in his life with his emotions. And lucky for him,

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he also had an amazing support system of people who

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loved him dearly and they were readily available whenever he

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needed just an extra you know, boost or somebody lift

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his spirits. And this included his father and his grandmother.

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His father's name was Gregory, and his grandmother's name was Selma,

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but everybody Sally, and so that's what I'll refer to

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her as in this episode too. So we've got Eric

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the grandson. His dad's name is greg and then Mama Sally.

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So Eric was a steadily employed guy. He was your

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average bachelor, I guess she could call him. And he

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worked as an eligibility technician for the Medicaid program. So

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his job was to see who qualifies? Could we get

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people qualified? And he really enjoyed helping people. He loved

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being able to see them prosper through the assistance that

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he was able to give them. And whenever he was

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able to set them up and really put some relief

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on their shoulders to better their families and better their

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children's lives. But in his spare time, he found that

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he was not abundantly social. He wasn't a go getter,

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social butterfly. You know, I kind of think about how

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difficult that must be for people. I've never suffered from that.

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I've had the mouth of the South since i was little.

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I'll talk to a stranger, I make friends at amusement

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park lines, you know, so I've never suffered that problem.

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But how difficult must it be to be quiet but

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have so many thoughts and things you want to share,

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but you're just not able to get out and about,

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you know. But he did have a few close friends,

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and those few friends that he had, in their time

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spare time, they would play Xbox. They were self described nerds,

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and they just like to hang out and play their

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video games. Eric was smart. He was a good person,

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a good guy, but not necessarily gonna be lucky in

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the love department. Again, we might get attribute that to

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the fact that, you know, he had a hard time

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getting out there and talking to people. So, you know,

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I'm gonna describe people that's what I do and Eric,

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if I have to just describe it to you, he's

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a normal, average looking guy. I wouldn't say anything jumps

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out as you know, extraordinary, But he's your average looking guy.

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You would pass in them all. You know, he's sporting

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a beard, he's got a little bit of a receiving hairline.

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It's a little thinner on top. He's got these blue

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eyes that shine, and he may or may not be

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wearing little glasses, depending on the photograph and whenever the

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picture is being taken. But I will tell you his

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face has a kindness about it that when he smiles you,

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there's like a gentleness about him that you can appreciate.

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And you can see that he's just a nice guy,

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but his love life would take a change. In two

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thousand and two, Eric was seated in a work training

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next to a coworker named May. Now this is not

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like the month of May. This is an Asian name,

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me Ei May, so you can kind of get the

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gist of that. So May was older than Eric, but

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they had one of those work relationships where that age

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doesn't matter. And I, you know, work is funny to me,

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and maybe some people can identify with this. But you

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meet somebody at work and you befriend them, and it's

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like age doesn't matter whenever you're on the job your

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best he can be like sixty five or seventy years

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old and you're talking to him like they're your sibling.

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You're like, where the fuck are you at? Man, he's

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like eighty years old and you just your work buddies. Well,

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that's kind of the situation here. May was older than Eric,

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not not that big of a gap, but old enough

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to not be in his dating range or something like that.

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But May was a friendly woman. Eric really enjoyed talking

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to her. And best of all, what he really liked

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about May was he felt like she was outgoing. It

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motivated him to talk more and to say hey whenever

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he would see her at the workplace. So she was

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in her early fifties and she looks the very traditional

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role of an Asian mom, if that helps to build

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the picture for you. She's a small woman. She has

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short black hair just above her shoulders and like a

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blunt just cut to her shoulders, and then she's got

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the bangs right above her eyes. Usually wears no makeup,

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very matronly looking, but you know they got along great.

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Looks aren't everything, y'all. You know, they're just two people

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that just really enjoyed each other's company. Well, in October

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of two thousand and two, May invited Eric on a

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hike with her as well as some other co workers.

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They were going to get together and have some fun,

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and so he decided to kind of go out out

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of his comfort zone, and he decided to take May

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up on that offer, and he was pleasantly surprised that

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he did so because he found that she showed up

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with her daughter named Rosa, and Rosa was along for

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the hike. Now, Rosa looks a lot like her mother,

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but she's a much younger version, much more vibrant. She's

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got long hair and full lips and just has a,

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you know, a happiness about her in these photos, just

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a young, a young girl. And as they hiked together,

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they got to know one another, and Eric was like

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in what he was getting to know. He found that

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Rosa was born in Hong Kong and she lived there

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until the age of eleven, when her family eventually immigrated

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to the United States, and there she grew up in

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San Leandro or is it Leandro? I'm an uncultured swine.

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Right now, y'all, San Leandro, someone's gonna have to correct

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me on that. I don't care. It's just me. I'm

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being human. But she eventually graduated from UC Davis with

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a degree in applied mathematics, and let me tell you right, Nah, okay,

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God bless her for that, because this girl, this heffer

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right here, couldn't do math to save her life. If

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I'm ever held captive in this situation and they're like, hey,

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do this basic quadratic equation or you die, I want

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y'all tell my family how much I love them. I

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love them very much because this bitch can't not do math.

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So you get a degree and applied mathematics. I feel

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like you're just a genius. Anybody any of my listeners

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out there can do math like that. You're an engineer

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or something. Hey, you have my praise. Now if I

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have to, you know, tap and rack a gun and

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go kill somebody who's trying to enter my house and

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hurt my family, I'm your girl, okay. But other than that,

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mama can't do math. So this chick was smart, is

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what I'm trying to get at. She was also an

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engineer like I just mentioned, she was an engineer at

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a tech company in Silicon Valley, very analytical and very

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interesting to Eric, so he quickly became smitten with her.

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And he decided to take this just out of body

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experience of leap of faith and ask her out on

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a date. And to his excitement, she took him up

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on the offer, and quickly over the next few months

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they had a blast together. This opened up experiences and

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feelings for Eric that he had never had before up

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until this date at least, and they officially began dating

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very soon after and were inseparable. Truth be told, though,

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I want to talk about this relationship because Eric was

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very inexperienced in relationships with women. Rosa was literally his

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first girlfriend, and so he fell hard for this girl, hard, hard, hard.

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And you can think back to your first love, y'all.

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You can think back to high school when you meet

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somebody and at your first love, and you fall freaking hard,

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and you're probably willing to let some things slide that

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you shouldn't. But that's how we grow and how we

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mature in relationships. When we get older, we know what

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we're looking for. But Eric was now you know, in

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his late twenties and early thirties, and this was his

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first time with that experience, So I feel like he

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was kind of behind the ball on a lot of

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these emotional situations that come and ebb and flow in relationships.

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So he did what he knew to do. He took

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her on trips, he took her out to dinner, and

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he treated her to the things that he could on

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his tight income. Remember he works for the state. He's

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doing medicaid stuff, so it's not like he was abundantly

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rich and making a shitload of money. Well, two years

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would pass, and on Valentine's Day of two thousand and four,

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Eric popped the question to Rosa, where she excitedly said yes,

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Oh my gosh, yes, and they were over the moon

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to start creating this life together. Eric jumped on the phone.

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He called his family and told them the good news.

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Everybody was stoked for him and it seemed like his

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life was coming together, and he was most excited to

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tell his beloved grandmother, Sally. So miss Sally, y'all, she

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is a widow, and she is the proverbial, doting, generous grandmother,

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super friendly, and I've got the perfect explanation of her

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You're gonna love this, y'all. She looks just like missus Claws.

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I am not kidding you. She is the sweetest face.

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She's got that white hair, you know, curled back, and

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she's got she's got kind of thicker elbows. You know,

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she can cook good. You know she can bake. You

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know she can. I never met her, but I'm telling

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you that one can probably slang out a mean, you know,

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rack of fudge. But she was in her late eighties

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whenever their marriage was announced, but that did not stop

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her from expressing immense excitement for her grandson and for

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his upcoming nuptials. She took to Rosa too. She was

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very interested in getting to know her, showing her love

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and generosity combined with just absolute genuine excitement to welcome

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her into the family. Because Miss South was the matriarch,

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and to have this new young female joining into their

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family and you know, bringing her grandson just immense joy

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as well as taking on their family name. It just

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meant a lot to Miss Sallie. Now, Miss Sally's health

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had also started to decline with her age, but I'm

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gonna tell you all right now, she was still able

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to snag her a little boyfriend. Okay, that's right. Miss

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Sally had a look about her that mister Lester found irresistible.

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And for the last eleven years, Miss Sally and mister

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Lester had remained constant companions. Now Sally was only five

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foot tall. She wasn't a big old woman. She was

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five foot tall. She was a little bit on the

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heavier side, but she had poor eyesight and kind of

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had some struggles getting around. But I'm gonna tell you now,

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she was an absolute queen to be doted on. If

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you asked mister Lester, that was his woman, and he

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thought she hung the moon. Now, mister Lester was elderly

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as well, and they took a lot of comfort in

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having one another around. And hang on, I got I

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got got it. Rup. This is not I did not

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plan to say this, but I have to say it.

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This will be the first Thanksgiving without my grandmother. My grandmother,

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who I called the Queen, she passed away recently, and

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so this will be my first Thanksgiving without her. But

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this just tickled me when I was thinking about it,

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because the last couple of times I saw her, she

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was in a nursing home. Very witty woman, very beautiful woman.

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And I went in there and I said, hey, what

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you doing, old lady? And I went to hug her

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neck and she said, ooh, honey, these men in here,

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I just have to beat them off with a stick.

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I said, what you mean. She said, some man's been

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trying to visit me up in my room and I

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told him he's got to go. I cannot be entertaining

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a man. I'm too busy watching football. And that just

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tickled me because these elderly people, they want these connections

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so bad, and when they're in the nursing home. My

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grandmother was beautiful, that's not and that's not because she

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was my grandma. I'm serious. I'll have to post some photos.

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She was a stone cold box and those men up

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in that nursing home was just raving over her. But

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back to Lester and Sally, so, you know, they really

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loved each other's company. And when you're older, I'm sure

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it's nice to have that comfort zone of someone who

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cares about you and understands you and can put you know,

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feel the same way you feel in the age that

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you're in. And so what they would do was find

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a lot of comfort in one another and They even

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would stay at each other's houses on a rotational basis,

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which I thought was absolutely precious. And it just made

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sense because miss Sally couldn't drive anymore and she needed

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a walker to move about because she had some balance issues.

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And so mister Lester, by the way, who's also he

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was in his nineties, okay, he was dying unfortunately of

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bladder cancer. So the less back and forth the better

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for the two of them. So they made this little

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rotational plan, and they spent time with each other at

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each other's homes, and if they weren't together, they still

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bill were in constant contact with one another, and you

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could put money on it that mister Lester would be

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calling his beautiful Sally at four p m. Sharp to

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talk about their day and to see if she needed

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anything on the days that they weren't together. These two

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were peas in a pod, and she was just so

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excited to tell Lester that her grandson was getting married. Now,

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Rosa's mother may remember the coworker of Eric. She was

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really excited too, and she wanted to help with the

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wedding and the planning and the preparation. And this was

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when Eric really realized that May was the stronger personality

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of the two women, and that Rosa would follow what

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May told her to do, which was interesting because May

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had a forceful personality outside of work, but at work,

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Eric never noticed that about her. She seemed very very

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mild in the workplace. So Eric found that Rosa seemed

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to be stressed out a lot, and there were a

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lot of arguments that occurred between the two of them

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as the wedding date came closer, but they were able

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to work it out, and you know, the wedding day came.

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It was April second, two thousand and five, and that

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was the big day they got married. Grandma Sally was

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there beaming and they you know, friends and family were

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there and they toasted to the future. It was beautiful,

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and then the two lovebirds set off to Hawaii for

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their honeymoon. It wasn't quite the start though, that Eric

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hoped for, because Rosa seemed on edge the entire honeymoon,

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and she seemed easily agitated, and it was like nothing

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that Eric could do struck her right and not one

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to be easily angered, you know, But after a week

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of her acting like a bitch, to put it no

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other way, Eric had enough and a legit argument ensued

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and it got so heated during their honeymoon, to Eric's

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absolute shock, literal shock, where he had no words to

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describe what happened. Rosa turned around and swung at him

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legitimate punch, tried to knock the block off his shoulders,

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but she missed. But Eric was just wide eyed and

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taken aback, like what the hell is going on because

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she had never been a physical person up until this date.

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So they got better minds about themselves after that happened,

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and they calmed down and they kind of talked, and

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then they were able to enjoy the rest of their trip.

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So then they returned home and they settled into daily life,

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where it included discussions of how they wanted to live

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their lives. So initially they lived with Rosa's parents in

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Antioch for four or five months before purchasing their own

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condo in an area called Fremont, and they both agreed

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that they wanted to live traditional Catholic values, which included

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the hopes of having a large family with kids everywhere.

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They wanted a ton of kids, which also made me

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think about this time that side story again real quick,

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but hey, add is real, you'll just keep following me.

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But I got on a plane one time to go

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to Salt Lake City for a conference, and this woman

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was sitting next to me, and we just struck up

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a conversation, you know, during the flight, and she told

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me that she had eleven kids. And I was like, whoo, man,

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I know a Catholic when I see one. And she

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looked at me and kind of screwed up her face

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and she said, honey, we're going to Salt Lake City.

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And I said, I know, right, because like country come

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to town. I'm sitting here on this plane. She goes,

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I'm a Mormon. I was like, oh, I mean I

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have already told that story before, but anyway, I just

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thought about it. Oh, she wasn't Catholic. She was Mormon.

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But they wanted to have a large Catholic family and

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that would include having a lot of kids. That was

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going to have to wait, though, because they did something

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that I would say is ill advised. But they racked

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up a ton of debt from their wedding and their honeymoon,

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which that's not good. You never want to start off

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your marriage in a ton of debt just getting married.

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And so the payoff was going to be slow, and

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part of that was because Rosa didn't work. She was

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going to be the stay at home wife and Eric

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was the one that was working. So eventually their goal

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was that she would be a stay at home mom.

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And the problem though, is that she wasn't working and

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they started to have persistent money problems, which led to

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a lot of arguments. So Rosa insisted that they make

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more money. You know, this isn't going to work like this,

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but that they really seemed to be more of a

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He needed to make more money, so she would push

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him to work harder and harder and harder, and no

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matter how hard he worked, it just never seemed to

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be enough. And this led Rosa to showing anger and

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dissatisfaction damn near daily. And I just think about Eric,

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and I just feel like, you know, his innocence in

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relationships really paid a price here that he just didn't

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understand that that that's not how this works. Because like

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the world I live in, if I'm working and you're not,

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but you're bitching about money, then get off your ass

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and go get a job and help somebody out. How

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about that? Why don't we try that whole number. But again,

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this was his first real relationship and he was still

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learning how to navigate these things, and he didn't have

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much history or experience to go off of. And so

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what ended up happening, unfortunately, is that it led Eric

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to be almost scared to set her off. Even coming

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home sucked like he was walking on eggshells trying to

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keep his wife happy. So Rosa wasn't being violent or

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anything like that, it's just her attitude was scary. He

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didn't know what to do with her. And one of

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her main issues that she had a problem with was

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that Eric enjoyed talking to his family on the phone

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as well as those few friends that he had when

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he was gaming. She demanded that he stopped talking to

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his friends. She you know, she wanted just them to

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in their little bubbles. She didn't want him talking to

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his friends. Now. Truth be told in everything that I

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was researching, Eric's friends didn't like Rosa. They didn't tell

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him that. They wanted to be nice friends and support him,

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but they didn't like her. They felt like something about

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her was just off. One of the things that they

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complained about was that she wouldn't answer them, like if

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they asked her questions, she would put her hand up

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over her mouth and whisper or the answer. She would

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go and whisper the answer in Eric's ear, and then

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Eric would say out loud what she said, almost like

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if you watch Big Bang Theory in the very beginning,

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remember how uh Raj would whisper his answer to somebody.

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You know, it just was very weird, and the friends

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didn't really like her, but they were happy for him,

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and so they didn't say anything. So as it would happen,

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she drove a wedge between the friends, and he ended

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up losing all of his friends, so it was just him, her,

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and then his family that he would talk to. But

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this eventually this wedge moved over into between him and

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his family and he ended up pulling away from them.

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Even his beloved grandmother, Miss Sally Rosa, had just become

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overly jealous of everyone and wanted him separated and all

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of his attention focused on her. One thing she did

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that I read about that I thought was kind of

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Kuckuo Kachow was that she would listen in on all

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of Eric's phone calls, which the only person you really

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was talking to at this point was his dad. Now,

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when I say, listening in. I legit mean like on

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the phone, listening to everything that they talked about. So

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much so now that Eric had developed a code word,

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a code word that he would use with his dad

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to let him know if she was listening in or not.

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It was like Eric had no outlet, no one to

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talk to without her running interference the entire time. So

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Eric continued to try to just be the best husband.

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But within just months of being married, they had a

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new focus to deal with. And you already know what

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it's gonna be. Rosa was pregnant and the two for

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the moment were overjoyed. Here we go, We're doing this

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where I'm gonna have a baby. So in June twenty

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first of two thousand and six, that's when their baby

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girl was born. I'm not gonna use her name because

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I don't think her name matters in this story, but

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just I'll call her baby girl or the daughter. But

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you can imagine just a little sweet little shab baby

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born and shabby in a South that's a Southern thing.

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That's a you know, shab baby. That's what we say,

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oh shah if you think somebody's precious or whatever. So

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Eric was admittedly scared and a nervous wreck about being

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a first time dad, but he was just loving every

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single second of it. And to make ends meet now

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with all of these additional costs, he took up a

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second job. And I want to tell you what his

460
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.640
schedule was so you can understand what I mean by

461
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.200
a second job. I don't mean like he cut a

462
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:38.240
yard every now and then for extra forty bucks. During

463
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.119
the day, he worked eight to five at social services,

464
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.279
and then he had a break from five until eleven

465
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.119
thirty pm. But then from eleven thirty pm until eight

466
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.640
the next morning he was working at a pharmacy as

467
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:58.559
well as working shifts on the weekends. This guy never slept.

468
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.039
He was running on fumes, if you want to call

469
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:06.119
it that. And as you can imagine, no sleep, newborn baby,

470
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:10.039
stress about money, he was not having a good time.

471
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:12.599
Well we could say that, we could all agree. But

472
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:16.200
he took his vows seriously, He took his role as

473
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.880
a daddy seriously, and he did everything he could to

474
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:23.519
provide for his family. But y'all, it just wasn't enough.

475
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.559
No matter what he did. He was working constantly, he

476
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.680
was beyond tired. But when he would get home, Rosa

477
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.000
and him would get into fights, and these fights were

478
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:38.519
continuing to escalate. So basically her view, let's talk about

479
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.480
what Rosa's issue was. Her view was that she was

480
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.680
the mother and she was the wife, and it was

481
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:50.400
her way or the highway, and Eric was almost willing

482
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:54.119
to bend to do that. So you can find or

483
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.680
you can understand why he was beyond shocked when he

484
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.079
came home one day and she said she wanted a divorce.

485
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.559
He was willing to do anything to make this woman happy.

486
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.839
He was working his dick into the dirt, and no

487
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.000
matter what he did, it wasn't enough, and so he

488
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.200
said that he just felt like a complete failure. There

489
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.240
weren't any more hours in the day, there was not

490
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.400
much more he could do, and not to mention the

491
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.200
worst of all, he wasn't getting to see his baby girl.

492
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.720
He wasn't home enough. So in March of two thousand

493
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.759
and seven, they had been married two years at this point,

494
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.359
and Rosa had started going and staying at her parents'

495
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.839
house every now and then with the baby, but eventually

496
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.359
he just became every day. She just stayed there, and

497
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.279
so Eric was still responsible for the bills and he

498
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.599
had to keep working, but he was coming home to

499
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.720
an empty house. He was lonely, he was sad, and

500
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.000
he was missing his baby girl. But what could he do.

501
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.559
He was kind of stuck. And all of the stress

502
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:54.160
of this eventually came to a head, and Eric's mental

503
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.640
health issues that he had had since he was younger

504
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.720
really started to show. The depress was really taking over him.

505
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.480
At one point, it got so bad, y'all, Eric put

506
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.680
a knife to his wrists and was kind of threatening

507
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.920
to kill himself, and so he actually took some time

508
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.960
off of work and he went to an intensive outpatient

509
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.519
program specifically designed for people who suffer with suicidal and

510
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.160
depressive thoughts. That's how legit these issues were. These are

511
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.799
not someone who's like, oh, I'm depressed. No. He went

512
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.559
to an outpatient program like weeks long, okay, to try

513
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.680
to get himself together, and he eventually did return to work.

514
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.519
But about a year later after that had happened, he

515
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.079
had another breakdown at work. It was so bad that

516
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:39.240
his supervisor actually drove him straight to the hospital and

517
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.200
they put him back in that inpatient program for a

518
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.599
little while. So you can see how bad he was

519
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.119
struggling with everything going on. So Rosa now was adamant

520
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.640
she wanted the divorce that she'd been threatening, and being

521
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.319
the man that he was no matter what he was

522
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.599
going through, he allowed Rosa to kick him out of

523
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.440
the house that he paid for. He left the house

524
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.559
so that she and his daughter could have somewhere to live.

525
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.960
The other thing too, is that she had all the

526
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.160
control over their bank accounts, the bank accounts he was

527
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:17.279
putting money into. So he's basically out in the rain

528
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.759
like a you know, poor wet dog, just sitting there,

529
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.440
and he realizes, my god, I don't have anywhere to go,

530
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.759
nor do I have any money to go anywhere. And

531
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.599
so he decided to go to the place that he

532
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.160
knew he could go no matter what, where somebody loved him,

533
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.000
and that was his grandma's house. So he knocked on

534
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.440
the door. Miss Sally accepted him with open arms. She

535
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.640
was thrilled to have him back in her life, especially

536
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.240
since they had been distanced for so long. It felt

537
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.559
like and Eric just had immense relief knowing that he

538
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.480
had a place to sleep and he was loved. And

539
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.000
now he decided that he wanted to tackle his most

540
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:55.200
pressing pressing issue that was that, as of June of

541
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.400
two thousand and seven, Rosa refused to let him see

542
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.039
his daughter at all, would not give him any time

543
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:08.440
with her, and that included her very first birthday. He

544
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.799
couldn't even see her, give her a gift, go to

545
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.440
her birthday party. Nothing. She said, no, you're not having

546
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.920
any of it. Well, Eric, who's normally mild mannered, had enough.

547
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.359
He got pissed and he decided that he was going

548
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.319
to go and get partial custody of his daughter. Well,

549
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:31.200
as soon as he filed that paperwork, things got ugly ugly.

550
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.160
And when I say ugly, I mean damn your diabolical.

551
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:37.920
So the PaperWorks filed. Eric's trying to get his you know,

552
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.200
his crap together, and he's sitting at work one day

553
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.960
and he gets called into his boss's office regarding an

554
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.599
email that he had sent. So he goes in and

555
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:51.240
he sits down and the boss is really, you know,

556
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.119
kind of asking questions that are kind of pointed, and

557
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.480
finally he's like, you know, what's the deal, and the

558
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.960
boss admits, look, dude, I'm I'm kind of I'm really

559
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.759
worried because you know, why did you send me this

560
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.119
email saying that you're off your medication and that you're

561
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.400
gonna shoot up the workplace. Well, Eric was just blindsided

562
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.079
by the accusation. He's like, what are you talking about.

563
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.200
I've never missed. I haven't missed my medicine. I haven't

564
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.960
not taken my medicine. And I don't even own a gun.

565
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.160
I've never owned a gun in my life. Not to mention,

566
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.720
I didn't send you an email that says that, Like,

567
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.319
where is this even coming from? Well, think about it.

568
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.119
The boss had already brought him to the emergency room

569
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.799
one time for a mental breakdown. So the boss wasn't convinced.

570
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.880
And the boss was like, dude, I you know, I

571
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.200
don't know what to tell you, but you know we

572
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.200
can't have you threatening to shoot up the place. And

573
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:43.599
he immediately suspended Eric from work while he conducted an

574
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:48.000
investigation on him. So Eric was sent home. He's frustrated

575
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.160
beyond belief, and he's in a really bad way. Okay,

576
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.880
he's got lawyer fees mounting because he's trying to see

577
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.319
his daughter, plus all of the other bills, the debt

578
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.759
that's already been you know, built because of the wedding

579
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.920
and the honeymoon and now he's not even able to

580
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.759
go to work and make money. And that investigation on

581
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.599
him lasted months before it was completed, and then even

582
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.200
after the investigation was completed and he was cleared of

583
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.839
the whole situation, they still forced him to go to

584
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.599
a psychiatrist before they would even allow him to come

585
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.519
back to work. So, you know, he's between a rock

586
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.119
and a hard place. So he went, he went and

587
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.039
saw the psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist clears him to go

588
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.240
back to work. Shocker, right. So the issue was that

589
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.359
the damage was already done, both emotionally and professionally. You know,

590
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.960
Eric's looking crazy here. But there was one bright spot,

591
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.880
and that was that a judge ruled he would get

592
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:49.279
fifty percent custody of his daughter. And this would prove

593
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.839
a very bittersweet moment for him because when he finally

594
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.799
got to hold his baby girl, she was now a

595
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.920
walking toddler, and the realization hit him that he had

596
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.119
missed so many firsts. I mean, he missed her first steps,

597
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.319
he missed her being an idybity baby. But he was

598
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.680
very happy that at least now he was getting to

599
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:14.240
have some time with his baby girl. But that joy

600
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:21.480
would be short lived. A few months after Eric was

601
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:26.440
granted that fifty to fifty custody, Rosa called the police

602
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.880
in a panic. When the police showed up, she was

603
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.279
telling them that Eric had been caught sexually abusing their

604
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:41.000
daughter and that she needed him nowhere near this baby

605
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.480
and right now. Obviously this was an effort to make

606
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.680
him lose custody. It was a very damaging accusation, and

607
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.279
Eric really was afraid of losing his daughter. He's like,

608
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.440
oh my god, now it's gonna happen with my job.

609
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.759
And not to mention his freedom, you know, am I

610
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.359
gonna be all locked up for something didn't do? I mean,

611
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.079
he was painted a monster and really was in a

612
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.000
position dumbfounded. How do you defend yourself against something that

613
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:11.159
didn't happen? First, that email that was since say, he's

614
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.800
going to shoot up his workplace and he's having to

615
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.639
defend himself on that. Now this claiming that he's a

616
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.719
molester of his own daughter. So again an investigation had

617
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.920
to be opened, and it took time to assess the

618
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.280
accusations that were made when it was all sudden done, though,

619
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.480
the courts found that the story was totally fabricated and

620
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.880
Eric was cleared of any and all inappropriate contact with

621
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.679
his daughter. And as a result of those lies that

622
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.239
Rosa told the courts, the courts responded by taking away

623
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.320
her rights because of her behavior. So from that point forward,

624
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:53.280
once she it backfired on her, she became increasingly uncooperative.

625
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.719
She wouldn't follow orders. The mediator in the case wrote

626
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:00.960
that she was exhibiting bizarre behavior, things that included paranoia

627
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.400
and suspiciousness of her own daughter, a little baby, like

628
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.519
what do you do in lady. So as Rosa's behavior

629
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:11.440
became worse, so did her custody situation. So it went

630
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.719
from you know, fifty to fifty. Now it was sixty forty,

631
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.400
then it was seventy thirty in Eric's favor, and he

632
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.079
was given eventually eighty percent physical custody of the baby

633
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.280
and one hundred percent legal custody of the baby. So,

634
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.760
needless to say, Eric and Rosa from this point forward

635
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.719
had limited communication. They did not do well talking to

636
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.800
one another. And that's where Rosa's mother may really became

637
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.760
important because she became the go between of the two

638
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.599
people whenever they had to discuss something. So some things

639
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.440
had shifted at work, and May was now working in

640
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.679
a different unit than Eric, so they didn't have really

641
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.159
that many interactions, but they absolutely remained cordial at the job.

642
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.679
If May was ever upset, she didn't show it, and

643
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.239
communication continued through her and Eric thought, well, that's just

644
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.079
how it's gonna be, and I'll just talk to May,

645
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.719
no problem. Well. By January of two thousand and nine,

646
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.840
Eric and his daughter were living with his grandmother, Sally,

647
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.719
who just ate up all of her time with the

648
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.159
baby girl. He would talk about how they played little

649
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.119
games together and she would sit on the bed and

650
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.119
sing little songs and just have some really really precious

651
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.239
moments together. Well, it was January seventh, two thousand and nine,

652
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.719
when Eric woke up, got the baby ready, and they

653
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.880
left the house about seven am before Miss Sally even

654
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.440
woke up, and after dropping the baby at daycare, Eric

655
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.679
went on to work. Well, that afternoon, Eric was still gone.

656
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.239
He wasn't back home from work when mister Lester called

657
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.360
at four pm, like he always did to talk to

658
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.760
miss Sally, and as always, he called it four pm sharp,

659
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:01.039
but Miss Sally didn't answer the phone. Oh, he left

660
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.559
a voicemail. You know, hey, Sally, please call me back,

661
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:08.440
and then he called a second time. He left another message, Sally,

662
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.320
where are you? Call me back? It's my second call.

663
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.760
He called a third time, left another message, and with

664
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.039
each voicemail, his elderly little voice, you can tell it

665
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:23.320
becomes more and more concerned about where are you? Sally. Well,

666
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.920
after an hour goes by and he's unable to reach her,

667
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.079
he calls his son. It's about five pm now. He

668
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.039
calls his son Jeff and his daughter in law Uda,

669
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.679
which by the way, is spelled ute Uda, and he

670
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.320
asks him, Hey, would y'all mind going and doing a

671
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.119
wellness check on Sally. I cannot get a hold of her.

672
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.639
I'm afraid something might have happened to her. So Jeff

673
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.440
and Uda say sure, no problem. They jump in the

674
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.079
car and they jet off to miss Sally's house. They

675
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.360
get there about thirty minutes later and they start banging

676
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.440
on the door. No answer. She won't come to the door,

677
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.679
so Uda rang the doorbell a couple of times, kept knocking.

678
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.039
Jeff if even went around in the backyard looking for her.

679
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.480
They didn't find anything, so they decided, rather than leave,

680
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.400
they would just wait for Eric because he should have

681
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:11.400
been home be coming home shortly thereafter. So about twenty

682
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.719
minutes later, as like clockwork, Eric and the baby pulled

683
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.920
up where he was kind of surprised to see somebody there.

684
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.079
So Jeff introduced himself and explained, Hey, we're here because

685
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.639
my dad, you know, blah blah blah blah blah, I

686
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.239
wanted to check on her. So Eric immediately became worried

687
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:27.800
and he's like, oh God, I hope she didn't fall

688
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.880
or have a stroke or something along those lines. So

689
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.480
he opened up the garage and they all entered the

690
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.119
house together through the garage door. He's carrying the baby

691
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:41.440
in his arms. So Jeff and Uda waited in the

692
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.440
family room while Eric carried the baby upstairs to go

693
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.280
find miss Sally. And he checked everywhere he couldn't find her.

694
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.719
He checked her room, the bathroom, nothing, and she wasn't answering,

695
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.480
and that's when Eric just heard this noise. He didn't

696
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.760
know what it was, but he heard a noise behind him,

697
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.440
and when he turned around, to his utter surprise, May

698
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:12.440
was standing in the upstairs of miss Sally's house. So

699
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:17.280
Eric is clearly shocked and says, why are you here?

700
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:24.039
And May says miss Sally called me to come over. Well,

701
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:29.440
Eric knew in his gut that didn't happen. Miss Sally

702
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.559
did not have that type of relationship with May, but

703
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.679
it was such a strange situation, and he was so

704
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.559
confused as to what was going on. He's just standing

705
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.159
there looking at her, and he kind of starts to

706
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.440
internally panic. It just doesn't make sense, and he knew

707
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.639
that there was something very strange about this. So Eric

708
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:52.159
turns and he slowly sets the baby down, and he says,

709
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:58.480
where is my grandmother? And May says she went out shopping. Well,

710
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:04.119
Eric knew instantly something's not right. Okay, if my grandma

711
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.880
went shopping, how did you get in the house. And

712
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:12.400
May says that she came through the door in the garage. Okay, boom.

713
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.199
This made no sense whatsoever. Eric had opened the garage

714
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.280
himself and walked in with people. Miss Sally also never

715
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.480
would have gone out alone. She couldn't even go shopping

716
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.800
if she wanted to. She didn't drive, and so especially

717
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.800
at this hour it was five o'clock, that's like midnight

718
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.239
to an old person. So realizing that this was not right,

719
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.840
Eric jetted out of the room and started running downstairs

720
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.199
to go to the garage to see if his grandmother's

721
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.760
car was actually in the garage, because in his mind,

722
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:46.079
that would be solidify what May was saying. But before

723
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.039
he could even get to the stairs, to his just horror,

724
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.800
Rosa jumps out of a side bedroom wearing a black

725
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.079
trench coat. So he stops dead in his tracks, his

726
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.760
eyes wide open, and he realizes, oh shit, this is

727
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.719
an ambush, And before he can even respond to what's

728
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.000
going on, he felt a huge crack on the back

729
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:15.079
of his head, followed by these pop popping noises, so

730
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.519
he immediately fell down in the hallway where the attack

731
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:25.199
was on. Eric was being beaten ruthlessly by May and Rosa.

732
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.639
May is beaten the shit out of him with a baton,

733
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.679
and the entire time that's happening, Rosa is popping him

734
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.440
over and over again with a stun gun. That's what

735
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.360
the popping sound was. The crack to the back of

736
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:43.159
his head was a metal baton like police use. It's

737
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.760
called an asp asp asp And y'all have to understand,

738
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.079
these suckers. When you crack, when you pop that baton out,

739
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.760
you cannot It doesn't even close without you slamming it down.

740
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.480
On the ground because it's so it's so strong and

741
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.000
rigid and metal, and she is just cracking him upside

742
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.559
the head with this thing over and over and over again.

743
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.400
So while that's happening, remember Jeff and Uda had stayed

744
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:11.000
downstairs while Eric went upstairs. Well, when they heard that

745
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:15.880
pop pop, pop pop of that stun gun, they misinterpreted

746
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.519
it as gunshots. So they both take out, take off, running,

747
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.079
shoot out of the door, no pun intended, and they

748
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.559
run to the next door neighbor and start beating down

749
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.719
the neighbor's door, screaming, please call nine one one, Call

750
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.719
nine one one. So the whole time that's happening, Eric

751
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.960
is they're beating him and stun gunning him, and just

752
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.719
he's he's weakened, but he's doing his best to fight back.

753
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.199
So he's kicking and he's pushing, and he's as soon

754
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.559
as he'd get one woman off of him, the other

755
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.599
one would be there. And he was greatly injured by

756
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:57.400
these blows to his skull. By the way, just for perspective,

757
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:02.159
with these batons, it is against pun like in law enforcement,

758
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:05.440
you do not crack people in the head with these batons.

759
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.400
That actually meets the muster of deadly force. Okay, and

760
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.480
that's a whole nother discussion, but just to put it

761
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.760
into perspective, you don't crack people in the heads with batons.

762
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.599
You don't kick people in the head, all right. So

763
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:23.199
they struck him so hard it actually bent the asp

764
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:24.800
and I have a picture of it to prove it.

765
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:26.920
I know someone's probably call him bullshit right now. I

766
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:28.760
have a picture of it that I will show you.

767
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.840
So it was bent, and there is blood dripping all

768
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.599
over the carpet. There's bloods again. I have pictures for

769
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.840
you all put on Patreon. This is an absolute fight.

770
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.159
I don't want it to sound like a man is

771
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.360
getting beat up by two tiny women and it almost

772
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.400
sounds comical. No no, no, no no. This is a

773
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.880
fight for life and it's legit. You have to look

774
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.079
at the photos to see how bad this is. And

775
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.039
he's so weakened due to his head injuries that he's

776
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.400
actually able at one point to take the baton from

777
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.920
May and he starts just wildly swinging it and he

778
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.719
knows he's making contact with something, but he just can't

779
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.639
see well and he doesn't know what he's hitting. So

780
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.079
he becomes so weakened, though, May is able to take

781
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.800
the baton back from him, and that's when she does

782
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.679
something friggin creepy. She gets on top of him and

783
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.239
she places the baton over his throat and she starts

784
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.320
pushing down full force, just pushing and cracking on his throat.

785
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.599
And that's when now Rosa walks up and puts a

786
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.119
gun to his head. Not a stun gun, a gun gun.

787
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:44.400
So Rosa screams, stop fighting now, and he stops because

788
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.760
he sees the gun. Not to mention, he can't breathe,

789
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:53.119
and May speaks not Rosa, and May says, will you

790
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:59.280
give up custody of your daughter? So he's just staring

791
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.920
at them. He's wounded, he can't breathe, and he certainly

792
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:04.880
does not want to give up custody of his daughter.

793
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:10.440
And that's when Rosa cocks the gunk and she puts

794
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.039
the gun straight to his face. So, needless to say,

795
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:18.199
he's scared shitless. He's staring at this gun. And again

796
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.159
she says, are you gonna give up custody? And May says,

797
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.639
I'm your friend here, but ros is gonna hurt you.

798
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:30.480
So he assesses the situation and he agrees right then

799
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.400
and there. Yes, I will give up custody now. He

800
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.079
didn't want to, but he desperately wanted to live. Now.

801
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.440
Something even sadder during that moment that I want you

802
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.000
to envision is that the baby had been locked in

803
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:49.440
a bathroom by May and the lights are off. So

804
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.320
while this whole fight's going on, things are crashing and

805
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.880
people are screaming, and the stun gun's going off, and

806
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.639
all of this is going on, that baby girl is

807
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.719
by a locked door with the lights off, banging and

808
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:07.920
screaming on the door. Daddy, daddy, daddy, daddy, daddy the

809
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.000
entire time. The heartbreak that Eric felt in that moment

810
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.679
is almost palpable. What do you do? Do you die

811
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:23.159
or do you lie? You know? So, by the grace

812
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.480
of God and God alone, while he agrees to give

813
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.199
up custody, he can hear sirens going off in the background.

814
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.639
He can hear police sirens. He's still got the gun

815
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:41.000
to his head. So police come in to the home.

816
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.360
Remember police were told in that nine one one call

817
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.119
by the neighbor that shots were fired, because that's what

818
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:53.519
Uda and her husband thought they heard. So as the

819
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.519
police enter through the garage, they came in when they

820
00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.000
were still screaming and struggling and fighting. And what they

821
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.920
they do here is a man yelling, please don't kill me,

822
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.159
Please don't kill me. I don't want to die. So

823
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.800
they make entry. There's two of them and they make entry.

824
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.239
There's one with his partner, and as they slowly are

825
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.519
coming up the walls trying to figure out what's going on,

826
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.360
they're seeing blood spattered all over the walls. On the ground,

827
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:23.280
there's a taser. There's also bullets on the ground, unspent ones,

828
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.000
but bullets are on the ground. And as they come up,

829
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.719
that's where we meet where the last thing I said

830
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.239
about her with the gun to his head. So the

831
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.559
police come around the corner and they realize that they've

832
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.400
caught this battery and this assault and whatever is going

833
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.239
on literally mid situation, and so they order everybody to freeze,

834
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:48.039
do not move. So from the police standpoint, I want

835
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.960
you to understand what they see. There's a larger white

836
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.559
male on his knees with his back to them. Okay,

837
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:00.320
so they're behind Eric, and then there's one small Asian

838
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.400
female facing them, and she has blood dripping down the

839
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.519
front of her head because she has a wound on

840
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:12.039
her forehead. Rosa is nowhere to be seen. So the

841
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.960
police don't know who the aggressor is, they don't know

842
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.440
what the hell's going on, and they certainly don't know

843
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.679
who the victim is. All they knew at this moment

844
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.760
was they believe that there had been shots fired, and

845
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.239
they had no weapons secured, and they've got an absolute barrel,

846
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.039
you know, of a fight going on in this hallway.

847
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.280
Super stressful for the police with minimal information to work with,

848
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.199
and so the police give their commands, show us your

849
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:39.159
hands now. So the male in the situation from the

850
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.840
police standpoint, which is Eric, he does not comply. He

851
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.239
jumps up and he tears off into the other bedroom.

852
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.280
So why did Eric run? Well, it's what the police

853
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.000
couldn't see that made Eric run. But I'm trying to

854
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.039
explain to you what the police were seeing and why

855
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.840
this goes the way that it goes. What they couldn't

856
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.960
see was Rosa was still Rosa was still in that

857
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.280
side bedroom. They couldn't see her, but she was pointing

858
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.800
the gun at his head the entire time that the

859
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.760
police are making him freeze and may freeze. So Eric

860
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.079
had to make a choice in his mind, run for it,

861
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.199
or she's gonna put a bullet in my head. So

862
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.360
he decided to run for it. Now, if this wasn't scary,

863
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.159
it would almost be comical. But Eric tears off, running

864
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.400
into that side bedroom. The police take chase because in

865
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.800
their mind he was the one that was the aggressor,

866
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.559
and they tase him. He gets tased by the police,

867
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.280
and so they subdue him after tasing him, after he's

868
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.960
alty had the shit beat out of him, and he's

869
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.039
in so much pain right he can't get up, and

870
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:44.599
he's yelling, my daughter, my daughter's in the other room,

871
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.159
my daughter, and he's trying to explain to them about

872
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.320
the daughter, but they don't know anything about the baby,

873
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:50.840
and they don't know who the daughter is or what

874
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:55.159
he's talking about, so they subdue him on the ground. Luckily,

875
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.840
training helped, and there was an unexpected placement of a

876
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:03.239
mirror in the hallway that proved vital in this situation

877
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.039
because as that first officer had tased Eric and was

878
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.719
taking him down, the second officer just happened to look

879
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.920
in that mirror and it angled perfectly that he could

880
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.639
see Rosa in that bedroom off to the side with

881
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.920
the gun that they couldn't see, so he jumps into

882
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:25.800
action and gets her and they get everybody in to

883
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.079
handcuffs until they can get it all sorted out. So

884
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.480
they go out the front of the house and Eric

885
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.280
is placed in a police car. May has to be

886
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.679
put in an ambulance because she is a big head

887
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.960
wound from Eric not going to block off with the

888
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.440
ASP and the police kind of noticed though that May

889
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:50.000
is wearing a heavy tan coat and black pants and

890
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.719
she seemed to be layered in clothing. They thought it

891
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.320
was odd. They make note of it, and then she's

892
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.800
taken to the hospital to be treated for her head wound.

893
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.119
Rosa in the time, is just standing in the front yard.

894
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.159
She's handcuffed, but she's just standing there, and so the

895
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.079
deputies looked at her and we're like, why is she

896
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:11.039
in a long black trench coat. There was mud and

897
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.480
dirt on it, and she also had multiple layers of

898
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:18.199
clothing on. It was odd and it certainly didn't make sense.

899
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.920
So Eric is in the back of the car the

900
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.519
cop car, screaming. No one's really listening to him because

901
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.000
understand there's a lot of drama going on right now,

902
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.239
and he watches helplessly as CPS shows up Child Protective Services,

903
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.840
and he sees them take her tiny little hand, his

904
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.360
daughter's hand, and takes her away, and he is just

905
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.400
beside himself. So Nate Schmidt, he's the officer on scene,

906
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.920
and he's trying to understand what's going on. There's two

907
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:50.199
small women bloodied, and then there's one larger male and

908
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.559
in the moment, it really seemed like this was your

909
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.159
typical domestic violence, you know, gone way wrong. A male

910
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.480
aggressor beaten up two women, which is also what the

911
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.199
two women seem to be implying. But the cops are

912
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.840
just having a problem with it because Rosa's demeanor was

913
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.840
weirdly calm. She wasn't acting like someone that had just

914
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.440
been involved in a potentially deadly encounter, and neither was May.

915
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.079
They both were just very oddly calmdemnar stoic about what

916
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.639
was going on. So the police, in their gut, felt

917
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.079
that something was a miss, but they were trying to

918
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:25.960
figure it out, and a gut feeling is never enough

919
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:31.639
to make a decision on so Yosinia Sanchez, she's a

920
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.519
detective with the Dublin Police Services. She shows up and

921
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.679
at six h three exactly. Eric is in the back

922
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:41.960
of the cop car, and when she looks at him,

923
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.719
she says, he's wild eyed, he's dishoveled. He looks to

924
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.880
be in complete disarray, and he's yelling and screaming in

925
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.679
the back of the cop car. And when she goes

926
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.199
over there and she actually is really listening and taking

927
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.000
in what she's saying, she realizes he's screaming about an

928
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.159
additional person and there's another person that is I don't

929
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.639
know where she is. And so police open the door

930
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.159
and they're like, what are you talking about, and he says,

931
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:11.840
my grandmother, My grandmother is gone. This is her house.

932
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.480
We can't find her. You know, she's in mobiles. They

933
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:16.639
had to have done something with her. And that's when

934
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:18.360
the light bulb goes off and the cops are like,

935
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.559
wait a minute, whose house is this and he goes,

936
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.079
it's not my house, it's my grandmother's house. Help her.

937
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.159
Where is she? So police are like, how the hell

938
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.400
does your grandma fit into all of this? Why would

939
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.400
grandma be missing? So she doesn't drive. They go look

940
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.360
the car, the silver Toyota Avalon is still parked in

941
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.079
the car and detectives searched the home just like Eric

942
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.480
had done. Sally's nowhere. They check all of the rooms.

943
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.039
Where is Sally? Nobody can tell, Nobody knows. So in

944
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:55.239
the meantime, during a search of Rosa, right search incidental

945
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.559
to arrest, So they're searching her and checking her pockets.

946
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.480
They find a revolver in Rosa's pocket. Remember she had

947
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.039
it to his head. But when she jumped into that

948
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.079
bedroom to hide and had the gun to his head

949
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.280
once the cops came into the hallway, she's slid it

950
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.320
into her pocket. They opened the chamber and they find

951
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.320
that four bullets are missing. There's one live round still chambered. Though,

952
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.800
wait a minute, the cops are now saying, maybe she's

953
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.960
not a victim, Maybe this is a suspect. And I

954
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.800
know in the way I told the story, you're like, well, dub,

955
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.119
But remember they don't have all this background history. They

956
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:30.960
just showed up to what they thought were shots fired,

957
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.679
and they realize Eric must be telling the truth. You know,

958
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.840
this is his grandmother's residence. They verified it. He should

959
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.159
be here, these women shouldn't be here. So based on

960
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:46.000
the circumstances, they put it all together and the women

961
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.840
are arrested on suspicion of a felony, and they believe

962
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.079
that it was domestic violence in nature. So by this time,

963
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:57.599
it's now the wee hours of the next morning, nearly

964
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.000
one am, and Rosa is brought into the police headquarters

965
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.039
to be interviewed about what is going on. She's still

966
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.360
dressed in that black trench coat. She's got these oversized

967
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.599
glasses on, like real big round glasses. Very unassuming, very calm.

968
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.000
Whenever they were asking questions, she comes across as meek

969
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.400
and quiet spoken and a scared little woman. And they

970
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.119
want to know why were you at the house? Explain

971
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:24.599
it to us, and she says, well, I was there

972
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.199
because of a custody dispute over our daughter. She said,

973
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.840
the grandmother called me there, I showed up. I didn't

974
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.119
see anyone. I walked throughout the house. I called for

975
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:38.000
them or for her. She never showed up. And so

976
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.480
she says she waited for Eric to get there, and

977
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.079
when Eric got there, he went batshit crazy on her

978
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:48.199
and it turned into a physical altercation. She said, Eric

979
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.440
threw me to the floor, he beat me in the head,

980
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.159
and then he pulled a gun on me. She said,

981
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:54.840
I was so afraid he was going to kill me.

982
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:56.880
I just didn't know what to do. And Eric, in

983
00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:59.480
the moment, dropped the gun and I picked it up,

984
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.280
and I put put it in my pocket, right, Because

985
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.280
that's how you're gonna save yourself. Put a put a

986
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.639
gun in your pocket. A crazed man who just put

987
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:08.480
a gun to your head just randomly just dropped it,

988
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.119
and you put it in your pocket for safekeeping. Sure

989
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:12.800
makes a whole lot of sense. I'm sure the police

990
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:16.719
believed every word of it. So they look at her

991
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.239
and go, okay, but why were you in the house,

992
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.440
Like why would you go in a house that you're

993
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.599
not part of? And she never really answers why she

994
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.239
was in the house. She's very vague, and the police

995
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.559
knew that she was being deceptive. They just couldn't understand

996
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:35.880
what was why. They're trying to figure it out. Well,

997
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.679
during that questioning, a phone call comes in and the

998
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:45.840
police are told, hey, y'all, we found Sally right, Oh

999
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.079
my god, thank god. Where was she? She was locked

1000
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.519
in her own shed in her backyard. And the deputy

1001
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.719
is like, oh, thank god, Okay, is she okay? You know,

1002
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:01.159
how is she doing well? Let's talk about that. So

1003
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.920
while the police were searching the grounds of the home

1004
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.440
to try to find her, there was a shed in

1005
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.599
the backyard and it was locked. It had an actual

1006
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:12.039
closed lock on it, but there was a crack that

1007
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.239
they could see through the door. It wasn't like a

1008
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:18.639
perfectly sealed building. And in the crack they could see

1009
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.119
a trash can in there. Now, this is one of

1010
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.559
those rubber made like big thick trash cans, kind of

1011
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:26.960
like the ones you see on school grounds, and there's

1012
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.480
trash and it's stacked really high. I'm talking about over

1013
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.559
the top of the lid of the trash can another

1014
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:35.960
three feet. There's just bags of trash stacked up. So

1015
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.119
they took a closer look through the crack and they

1016
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:42.039
realized that the bottom bag was not a bag. It

1017
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.800
was actually bed sheets, and that's never good. So they

1018
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.440
cut the lock with bolt cutters and they go in

1019
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.320
and they take the bags off the top of the

1020
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.440
trash can, and as they move the bags there they

1021
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.280
see a human foot sticking out of the sheet. I

1022
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.360
put pictures on for you so you can see this.

1023
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.039
The body was wrapped in these blue sheets, and as

1024
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.960
they dumped it over and they pulled the body out.

1025
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:14.119
There were plastic grocery bags on the head, around the neck,

1026
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:20.239
around the hands, and there was a white rope still

1027
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.000
tied around her body. And it was none of the

1028
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.719
other than ninety one year old Sally Hill. They dumped

1029
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:34.360
her head first into a trash can. A ninety one

1030
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.599
year old woman who wouldn't and couldn't hurt anyone if

1031
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:46.320
she wanted to, was horrifically dumped and then covered and

1032
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:51.599
locked into a shed in her backyard. So this clearly

1033
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.119
wasn't natural causes, and now there's a murder to be solved.

1034
00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:00.320
This was not just a domestic issue over custody. Someone's dead.

1035
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.800
So police go back into the interrogation room with this

1036
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:07.000
information and they start asking some really pointed questions to Rosa.

1037
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.679
When they ask the question about the shed outside, have

1038
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.039
you ever been in the shed outside? There is a

1039
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:21.960
literal physical reaction on Rosa's part. She jumps in the chair.

1040
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.440
I mean jumps. It looks like she's been shocked with something.

1041
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.920
She jumps in the chair and her lip literally quivers

1042
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.480
like like that, and she goes, no, I didn't even

1043
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:34.079
know there was a shed in the backyard. I've never

1044
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:35.519
been back there. I don't know. I didn't know there's

1045
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.360
a shed. So obviously the police don't believe her, and

1046
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.360
now they're going to have to start building a solid case. Okay,

1047
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.920
but they don't have it yet. That's when the autopsy

1048
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.079
report would come back later on. I have to impress

1049
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:54.960
upon you again, she's ninety one years old. She had

1050
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.599
blunt injuries to her skin and her neck. She had

1051
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.480
brew on her right elbow, a scrape under her right

1052
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.320
arm as well as her right forearm. There was a

1053
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.199
bruise on her second knuckle of her right hand as

1054
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.159
well as the top of her hand. She had two

1055
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.239
bruises on the upper left arm, in the back of

1056
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.960
her elbow, the soft tissue around her neck. There was

1057
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:24.320
hemorrhages in her neck. Her larynx had been fractured, and

1058
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:28.239
the coroner even stated, this woman put up a fight

1059
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.360
as best as a ninety one year old can fight,

1060
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.280
and that's pitiful to me, you know. She also had

1061
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.519
four to five heat effect injuries as they're called, on

1062
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.880
her body. Four of them were on her abdomen and

1063
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.920
one was on her right arm. She had two puncture

1064
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.079
wounds in her abdomen as well, and because of the

1065
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:55.400
bleeding after that heating effect had been applied, they know

1066
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:59.960
that this was done while she was alive. So whoever

1067
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:05.800
killed Miss Sally tased a ninety one year old woman,

1068
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:12.039
beat her up, and then strangled her to death, putting

1069
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:16.599
bags over her face, bags over her hands, tying a

1070
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.639
rope to her, and dragging her out of the house,

1071
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.920
and dumped her in a trash can. So back at

1072
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.320
her home, the police were still searching for additional evidence

1073
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.960
after they had found her body, and they were canvassing

1074
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.519
around the area that included the neighborhood. Okay, so Deputy

1075
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:40.199
Mitchell Messinger or Messenger found a gray Prius that was

1076
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.480
parked across the street from the house. Okay, I know

1077
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.480
I've already been talking about an hour. I haven't even

1078
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.960
told you the crazy shit yet. Get ready. Okay, they

1079
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.840
find this gray Prius. It's parked across the street and

1080
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.679
it was several houses down from Miss Sallly's And as

1081
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.000
he walks up to the car, he just happens to

1082
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:58.599
look in it, and there he finds an Asian man

1083
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:04.079
slouched down in the driver's seat like trying to hide himself.

1084
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:09.840
And so Mitchell's like, what are you doing? And the

1085
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.800
man doesn't answer him, so they get him out. They

1086
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.440
start asking questions and so they grab the registration of

1087
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.559
the vehicle and it was registered to a man named

1088
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:23.800
Ping who happened to just be Rosa's father. So he's

1089
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.119
taken into custody and they do a search of the

1090
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:31.079
vehicle and inside that prius they find a pink and

1091
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.440
black backpack that belongs to May. Now I know you're

1092
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:36.599
gonna go, honey, now belongs to May Kelly. Well, first

1093
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.679
of all, the first clue is that her own damn

1094
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.320
business cards were in it and her driver's license. Okay,

1095
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.280
so there's that. We know it's her bag. Are you ready?

1096
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:48.079
Inside that bag they found the strangest grouping of shit

1097
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:53.559
you'll ever hear. They found a flashlight, a red wig

1098
01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.840
pepper spray, a headlamp, as well as written direction to

1099
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.159
Selma's house Miss Sally's house. So they're like, oh my god,

1100
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:06.800
you know what Eric's been telling us has got to

1101
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.360
be true. He really was attacked. I mean this, what

1102
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.800
is the deal. So they're putting all of this together

1103
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.719
and that's when they find another book sack. This book sack, though,

1104
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.360
was stashed back in Miss Sally's backyard. It was underneath

1105
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.880
this green wheelbarrow. Listen to what was in this book, Sack.

1106
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:30.840
It was basically a burglary and kidnapping kit all in one.

1107
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:33.840
Listen to this in that book, Sack. Well, they had

1108
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:38.000
two tasers, two stun guns, two handguns. Proof that there's

1109
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:39.679
two people likely. I don't think you're gonna be a

1110
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:44.920
double wielding everything, brown rope, a master long cast fishing reel,

1111
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:51.039
a pride bar, twenty two caliber ammunition, a fucking crossbow,

1112
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:59.239
a hunting knife, a throwing star with this Asian inscription

1113
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:05.119
on it, a glass cutter, black handcuffs, a hammer that

1114
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.119
was still in like a sheath, gloves, a jar of

1115
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.320
camo body paint like the shit in the movies in

1116
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.559
the jungle, you know where you're like putting on body

1117
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.840
paint as well as a heavy duty lighter. That was enough.

1118
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.320
I was like, what you know, like what happened in

1119
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.280
the days of like if you're kidnapping somebody, like you

1120
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.360
go and grabbing what the hell you got a crossbow for?

1121
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:34.440
And a fishing reel. So they're looking at this, going

1122
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:37.440
my god. And then if that wasn't even enough, they

1123
01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:41.000
found another duffel bag in the back of the prius.

1124
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:45.639
You know what was in that a samurai sword, a

1125
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:52.920
samurai sword, leg irons, They had arrows, the crossbow, pepper spray,

1126
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:58.199
a hack saw, a camping axe, and a rubber mallet,

1127
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.679
as well as a blue coin purse with two thousand

1128
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.639
dollars in cash, and then another envelope that had another

1129
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:09.079
four hundred and thirty two dollars in it. So, regardless

1130
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.360
of everything we know so far, it's crystal clear that

1131
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.920
there was a very devious plan that definitely had been

1132
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.599
in place and was aimed at doing extreme harm to people.

1133
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.239
If this weren't scary as hell, it would almost be comical.

1134
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.599
Like the things that they were in possession of. It

1135
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.960
was like they've watched too many crime movies or something.

1136
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:34.880
Fucking throwing stars. Throwing stars, give me a break. Oh

1137
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.920
my god, it's like almost it's not funny, but it's

1138
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.239
almost funny. Do y'all agree? Am I being mean? I

1139
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.719
don't know? Okay. So then after they find all this,

1140
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:44.639
the cops are like, cool, we're gonna get a search

1141
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:48.280
warrant for the for the lay home. And so they

1142
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.199
get the search warrants and it is a jackpot of

1143
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:59.440
of evidence and it's very telling, y'all. They found writings, okay,

1144
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:04.639
literal like handwritten notes, writings, one of them titled Revenge

1145
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.519
for Rosa, and do you know what it was titled

1146
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:22.199
above that operation Custody? Like like what operation custody? Revenge

1147
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:25.800
for Rosa? And in the kitchen they found all sorts

1148
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:29.840
of printed documents and handwritten notes, okay. And one of

1149
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:35.800
the printouts was information on chloroform and poisons and antidotes.

1150
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:41.440
There were other printouts titled medications that can cause confusion

1151
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:46.199
in elderly people, like they targeted this old lady from

1152
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:51.079
the get go, and poor miss Sally never y'all, she

1153
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.079
never had a chance against these people. They zoned in

1154
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.320
on her from the get go. But why why are

1155
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.960
they wanting to go after this old lady so much?

1156
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.400
I'm going to answer that in a second, and it

1157
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:05.599
actually it actually matters in the story. Eric was also

1158
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:08.840
in a lot more danger than he would realize because

1159
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:13.639
police also found logs of where they had been stalking

1160
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:18.320
him for weeks. These logs were time stamped on all

1161
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.079
of his movements, as well as all of the vehicles

1162
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:24.719
that came and went from Miss Sally's house. Even they

1163
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:28.079
even timestamped the exact times that the garage door would

1164
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:31.880
open and close. It seemed like Rosa was really interested

1165
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.400
if Eric had any company or not over there as well.

1166
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:37.280
He was one hundred percent being stalked and he had

1167
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.639
no clue. That is scary to me. And then some

1168
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.320
other handwritten notes that were found were very eye opening

1169
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.800
to the delusions that these people had. Some of the

1170
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.360
handwritten stuff, I wrote it for you so I could

1171
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:54.679
read it to you. Crime equals desire, ability and opportunity.

1172
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:01.719
Flashlight as a weapon to hit at forehead, wrist, critical

1173
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.079
pts that they cannot hit back. Knuckles can do the job.

1174
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:10.599
Palm to chin, down to up load to high, go

1175
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:14.400
back to neck. Tall person may fall back with this strike.

1176
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:19.720
Pepper spray doesn't work on everybody. Tear gas you may

1177
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.920
have to give guy. More references were written to the

1178
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:31.279
Angel of Death, Trial, Toxicology, Arsenic Traceless Death, and poison Tablet.

1179
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.399
They also found notes for a what was called a

1180
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.199
quote unquote revenge spell against Eric Hill, Gregory Hill, and

1181
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.399
Selma and a note that said that Eric Hill and

1182
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.079
Selma Hill are nothing but troublemakers, and they were in

1183
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:49.520
two different handwritings, so they know that it was both

1184
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.960
May and May and Rosa that were writing them, and

1185
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:56.199
it was months that this was going on. They also

1186
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.920
wrote things that said, save baby, get weapons, target prac

1187
01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:05.680
this GPS tracking system, find a campsite. The computers at

1188
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.279
the home were searched. Their searches were kind of interesting

1189
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.479
to me, so I thought I'd share some of how

1190
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:15.840
to break into a house, traceless suicide, poisoned death by touch,

1191
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:22.680
homemade silencer, cyanide, and then most comically, punishment for murder,

1192
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:28.079
how to strangle someone. So results would also come back

1193
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.680
from the crime lab that the taser that was taken,

1194
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.439
one of the tasers had the DNA of Miss Sally

1195
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:37.680
on it as well as Rosa. So it just proved

1196
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.800
that Rosa was the one that tased Miss Sally. And

1197
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:45.479
there was just no doubt that this was planned, premeditated

1198
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.600
and calculated killing. And at this point I'm just starting

1199
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.239
to think crazy is genetic, Okay, as I mentioned before,

1200
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.239
so why kill a ninety one year old woman? All right?

1201
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.399
This was basically the synopsis of what happened their plan

1202
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.159
to kill Miss Sally and then frame Eric for it

1203
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:08.479
under this guise that she supposedly she being Miss Sally,

1204
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:14.119
supposedly caught Eric sexually abusing their daughter, then he would

1205
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:19.359
kill himself in despair, and then Rosa would be able

1206
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:21.840
to get their daughter and wouldn't have to share her

1207
01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.640
with anybody. And she also was hoping that this would

1208
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.439
prove that she was right all along on the quote

1209
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:33.720
unquote false report she made about Eric molesting and raping

1210
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:39.720
their daughter. So they had this pie in the sky

1211
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:41.439
idea of how they were going to kill them all

1212
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:43.159
and then frame each other for it, like a fucking

1213
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:48.119
episode of Dexter or something. Now, while it wasn't specifically stated,

1214
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:51.560
it's my belief that they planned to make their alibi

1215
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:54.479
by hiding out in the woods as if they might

1216
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:56.159
have been camping or something like that. That's why they

1217
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.039
the multiple layers of clothing, and they were trying to

1218
01:10:58.039 --> 01:10:59.840
find a campsite, and they had the cash. They wouldn't

1219
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:02.159
have any way to track their credit cards. But that's

1220
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.199
just kind of my idea of things. All in all,

1221
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.119
Rosa and May were tried together by a jury and

1222
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:11.439
they were both found guilty of the murder of Miss

1223
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.239
Sally Hill and the attempted murder of Eric Hill. They

1224
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:19.319
sentenced Rosa to consecutive prison terms of twenty five years

1225
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:23.199
to life plus one year and life with the possibility

1226
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:28.800
of parole plus ten years. May was sentenced to consecutive

1227
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:33.000
terms of twenty five years to life and life with

1228
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:39.399
the possibility of parole. Now, poor ol mister Lester. Mister

1229
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:43.640
Lester was heartbroken, and he asked if he could please

1230
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:47.159
have some of miss Sally's ashes, and they said that

1231
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.640
he was given those ashes and he would hold on

1232
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.960
to them during the day. He would talk to the

1233
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:55.880
urn and he just kind of sat there with the urn,

1234
01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:03.319
just heartbroken. And he died less than a year after

1235
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:08.159
her murder. As for Eric and his daughter, they are

1236
01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:13.119
reportedly both doing really well. The little girl is beautiful, y'all.

1237
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:17.159
I'm serious, She's gorgeous, and they really seem to be

1238
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:22.800
thriving together. I know that custody is a touchy subject,

1239
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.800
especially during a divorce, but you know, when you lose

1240
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.159
sight of the child's well being, it never ends well.

1241
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.800
You sprinkle in a touch of crazy and the willingness

1242
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:34.760
to set up people for things that they didn't do.

1243
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:37.920
You're willing to murder over it. It's just the perfect

1244
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:42.800
recipe for disaster. But that's the thing about marriage, you know.

1245
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:46.760
Few people plan for the really, really hard times. They

1246
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:49.920
focus on the good times. It's just that poor Eric

1247
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.039
didn't realize that till Death do us Part wasn't a

1248
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:56.560
professing of her love in the end. It was more

1249
01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:57.239
of a promise.