Part 2 | The Welfare Check: Lisa and Joel Guy Sr

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
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advised. Hey allkj you're back for no

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other episode of Unspeakable? How is
it going? I have got some shout

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outs that I need to do today, and they're all over the place.

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We've got Montana and Maine and Texas
and Louisiana. So let's let's say hello

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to some people. Let's start with
Scott. Is it Grizzafie. It's got

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to be Grizzaffie, Scott. I
hope I nailed that one. All the

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way from New Roads, Louisiana.
Hey Scott, thanks for joining. I'm

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so glad to have you. And
you're a Louisiana person like me, and

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that always makes me feel good in
terms of support. Right when your people

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from your own state like you,
that's a good thing. And then Miss

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Katie Branton from Troop Texas, Hey
Katie, so glad to have you.

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Tell all your friends about me too. Texas the state that gives me lots

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of support, So tell your friends
to listen up. And then this one,

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all right, we got to talk
about this one cause this is Lisbon,

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Maine. Okay. Now, in
Louisiana we would say Miss Mary Reshard.

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But in Maine, I don't know
if you're miss Mary Richard or if

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you're Miss Mary Reshard. So I'm
gonna say to both of y'all. So

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hey, Miss Mary Richard or hey
Miss Mary Richard, whichever one you are,

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you gotta message me on my Facebook
and let me know. I gotta

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know which one you are. I
don't. It's bothering me because I want

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to know. But hello, all
the way up there in Maine, I'm

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so glad to have you either way. And then Miss Stacey Burns from Bozeman,

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Montana. I don't know that I've
had a Montana yet, I don't

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recall, but hey, miss Stacy, thank you so much. And then

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last but not least, is gonna
be Caitlin Berg from Thibodeaux, Louisiana.

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Hey Caitlyn, how are you?
You know? In my family, I

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have Boudreau's and Thibodeau's, so you
my people. Thank you all so much

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for joining in. Don't forget to
log in on my Patreon. You can

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go look at crime scene photos and
I've got a bunch I'm uploading this week

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for this second part of the Guy
murders, and you're not gonna want to

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miss those. They're pretty good.
So let's dive back into this one.

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We're gonna be in part two of
the Guy couple killings. Obviously, last

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episode had a whole lot going on
and not many answers, and I know

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it's people were like, why did
you do it in two parts? Because

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if you're watching me podcast right now, you're looking at my table, you're

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seeing all of the documents and paperwork
that I have, and there's no way

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mama could have got this done in
one episode, So don't hate on me.

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It's because I wanted to be able
to give it all to you.

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So this episode, we're going to
dive into how this case would ultimately be

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solved with minimal to go off of
the police really had to think this one

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through and try to determine the why
along with the now known what happened?

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Right, because this is insane.
Most sick though, is the how,

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right? How could this possibly have
occurred? So let me start there.

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So Lisa and Joel are clearly dead, and there's no question about that,

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and thinking this case through, you
know, it takes some time though to

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kind of really put everything in place. And so while I have the luxury

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of armchair quarterbacking this case, realize
the police did not right. They're going

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off of just what they have right
in front of them. First of all,

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the fact that two parents dead and
it had to be told to their

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children is a trauma all in its
own. You know, how do you

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tell someone that both of their parents
are murdered, and then you also have

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the fact that they've been dismembered and
also add to the fact that they've been

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dissolved in a vat of acid.
Oh and there's also the fact that your

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mom's head was cooked on the stove. I mean, it's almost beyond all

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comprehension. It's bad enough to do
a death notification, and I know that

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I have law enforcement that listens to
this. You know, people reach out

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to me and tell me that they're
in law enforcement and if you've done a

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death notification, they're bad enough in
and of themselves. I don't care if

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it was just an accident, a
car wreck. That's terrible to have to

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say. Both of your parents are
dead. They've been dismembered, they've been

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you know, turn into gumbo,
you know, in acid, and then

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your mom's head was cut off and
cooked in a pot. I do not

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envy the human being that had to
go give that information to those people at

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all. And again as the officer
having to pass on this information, it

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had to be an extremely emotional situation. I guarantee you that that cop,

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while driving was trying to go through
the conversation in his head and try to

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figure out how am I going to
say this to these people. In the

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meantime, officers were assessing the scene
at hand, and their findings were blood

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on the walls and the floors throughout
the house. There was female clothing and

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it's presumptively Lisa guys on the floor
in a large pool of blood. And

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then the containers of chemicals, including
two large sewer line cleaner bottles as well

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as a pair of scissors on the
floor at the top of the stairs,

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and I do have pictures of that
that I'll post for you so you can

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look at it closer. Inspection of
the female clothing revealed that it had been

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cut off, not ripped off of
someone. So this was meticulous. You

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know, this was done on purpose
and not in the heat of the moment.

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It didn't seem And at the end
of the hall is previously mentioned,

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there was a pair of severed hands, not attached to the body. So

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I did some research on that.
I was kind of curious, and maybe

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it's morbid curiosity, but really it
was more of I was trying to understand

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why or what could have been going
on. And so the officer that found

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the hands said, and if you're
watching me right now podcast, you can

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look at the screen, but if
you're listening, I'll try to explain it

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to you. But both hands were
next to one another, obviously not attached

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to a body. One of them
was open, palm up, just on

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the ground, and the other hand
was actually making a fist and was laying

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kind of next to the severed end
of the other hand. So one's palm

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up and one is closed, fist
hand down. Just the trauma of seeing

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that would be enough to kind of
mess with me. You know, I'm

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no stronger or better than anyone else. You just have to process the information.

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But seeing someone's hands like that must
have been just out, you know,

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just too much. And if it
wasn't too much, you need to

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get out of the business. There's
no There should never be a day that

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severed hands or just another day,
you know what I mean. It can't

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just be another day. Inside the
largest bedroom, there were assorted bags,

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a tarp like material, food grade
hydrogen peroxide, a bottle of liquid fire,

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these construction type working lights, and
then random tools on the floor,

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as well as plastic sheeting that was
laying on the bed. And when walking

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into the bathroom that was adjacent to
that bedroom, there was a hose that

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was found to be connected to the
shower head, which was also covered in

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plastic sheeting, and there was a
knife laying next to one of the bathroom

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sinks. And again I have photos
of this so you can look at it,

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and I don't want you to look
at this just from a like a

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morbid sense. It's painting a picture
for you of what is going on as

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this killer is methodically going throughout this
house and setting up like a slaughter,

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like a butcher shop, you know, like you had to work at this.

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There was effort in what happened to
these people. There was two large

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sterilite containers which contained the cut up
body parts that were liquefying. In the

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kitchen, Detective McCord found chemicals bleach, a bleach sprayer, a tarp,

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and multiple towels on the floor,
and the kitchen sink was filled with water

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and he described it as fizzling and
bubbling, so there was like a chemical

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reaction going on. The large gumbo
pot on the stove was also filled with

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boiling water. And Lisa Guy's decapitated
head. I previously mentioned too how hot

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it was in the house. To
be specific, the thermostat thermostat was set

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at ninety three degrees, but the
temperature in the home was well above that.

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I mean, it was like hell
literally on Earth. One detective at

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the scene said that, and this
is a direct quote. He said he

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had smelled plenty of bodies in various
forms of decomposition. It was just a

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really odd cooking, almost chemical smell
in the air that happens when your body

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starts and then it's like he kind
of trailed off for a second, and

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then he said, well, when
there starts being issues and again with the

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extreme heat, and then he kind
of trailed off again. And it kind

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of gets you inside of the head
of someone his brain. And do y'all

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ever look at somebody when they're thinking
about something really intently and you watch their

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eyes kind of go back and forth
left to right, and you kind of

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watch their movement and you can tell
how in that moment their brain is going

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back and retrieving that information. And
you can almost see the intensity in their

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face even though they're not looking at
you. They're in thought. I kind

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of get that from this. He's
just the sentence isn't quite complete, and

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he's referring back to what he saw
and it's just not normal. It can't

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be normal. I mean, it's
evil what he experienced. So officers decided

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to look into the other bedrooms,
and in one they found the lid to

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one of the sterilite containers that had
held the body parts of one of the

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guy couple, and in that same
room, officers found an open suitcase of

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clothing on the floor as well as
a laptop that was sitting on the bed.

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There was also a handwritten note with
an address for Dan Boudreau's Ace hardware

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store, as well as some random
information regarding sewer line cleaner, which is

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interesting because remember there's a brand new
sewer line in the master bathroom connected to

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that shower head. That same bedroom
had blood on the door leading into it,

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a box of gloves and a bottle
that was consistent with the other bottles

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in the master bedroom. That bottle
also had blood on it. Looking in

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the closet of that bedroom, it
was empty of any clothing. However,

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officers did locate a crockpot, a
box of Clorox brand gloves, and a

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Walmart bag full of trash and food, and further inspection of the bed in

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that room found that it too had
blood on it. So not only did

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the master bedroom have some thing going
on in there, this spare bedroom as

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well. So Detective McCord then made
his way into the bathroom another bathroom in

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the hall and saw another large pool
of blood as well as gray shorts,

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underwear and a white T shirt laying
on the floor. Again, I do

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have photos of this as well,
another large knife and a Walmart bag with

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a receipt and that receipt was dated
November twenty sixth, was resting in that

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sink, and there were multiple pairs
of bloody gloves found discarded nearby. So

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it kind of paints this picture of
someone's putting on the gloves doing some kind

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of you know, dismemberment or some
cutting. Then they take them off and

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then they're changing their gloves and they're
like, how bizarre to me. Also,

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you know, I don't think that
this was on a cleanliness level,

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that this person is changing their gloves, right, I think this is more

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of a I don't want any of
my DNA mixed in or maybe fingerprints or

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something of that nature, because this
is beyond comprehension. What is happening to

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a human being. This should tell
you that there was a group of people

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who all took off their gloves and
threw them down together in a pile,

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or someone was working methodically changing gloves
periodically as they changed tasks. Either way,

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the thought to me is scary and
it's sickening. And I'll post these

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pictures on my Patreon if you haven't
had a chance to look at them.

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You know, by the time that
I'm recording this, but once police had

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secured and processed the scene, a
belief of what had happened was beginning to

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take shape. And I kind of
bullet pointed this for my notes to kind

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of give it to you. Simply, someone had clearly planned out this crime.

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There was so much going on.
It wasn't like a break in and

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spontaneous attack. No one would stick
around and risk being caught, right unless

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there was an amazingly profitable benefit of
some sort. And I even looked up

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the stats on this, and according
to Forbes dot com, a home burglary,

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assuming this was a burglary, right, a home burglary happens every twenty

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five point seven seconds in the US, but on average, each break in

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lasts eight to ten minutes. So
why does that matter to me? Because

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this was no eight to ten minute
job that had occurred. This had taken

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a while. This was no burglary. As far as stats would go,

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forty one percent of break ins occur
without any pre planning by the offender.

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This obviously had pre planning, and
clearly someone was in the midst of this

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project and had left in the middle. Or was it just a temporary break

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being taken. There's one of two
because the suspect's not there and the job

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not complete either way. Police surmised
that Miss Guy had gone grocery shopping based

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on the groceries left at the front
door. Mister Guy at some point walked

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upstairs and into the exercise room,
where he was attacked by an assailant and

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murdered by knife. Unaware of the
death of her husband nor that an assailant

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was even in her home, Miss
Guy returned home with the groceries and then

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at some point was similarly ambushed.
The assailant then cut up the bodies and

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immediately took to task trying to dissolve
their bodies to make them literally disappear.

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The fact that someone was walking about
and was changing gloves is an important bit

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of information to me, and that
this person was very comfortable in the home

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right and didn't seem to worry about
interruption. There was no rush about this.

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Who be that comfortable? Well,
police wondered the same thing. I'm

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sure in their minds right, they're
wondering the same thing that usually someone who

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does this to another person knows them
very well. The guy couple's inner circle

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would be the first people looked at
So this is going to include children,

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siblings, and friends first though,
as I previously mentioned, police had to

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break the news to these family members. So where and how do you even

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begin to do this? Well,
Michelle Tyler, one of the daughters of

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the guys, explained just how she
found out. And I have not seen

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a lot of people cover this,
but it matters to me because this is

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part of the story. This is
the realism of the reality of it.

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It's not just that these two people
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and it makes your stomach clench at
the innocence of her reaction. So,

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she had just got over a stomach
bug and she was driving into work that

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Monday after Thanksgiving when she realized that
no one in her family had messaged her

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in their group chat like normal.
But then again, she had been sick

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and she wasn't checking her messages like
she normally would do, so it didn't

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click until that Monday morning. Oh
my god, right, no one's really

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messaged me. So she actually sent
out a message and said, are y'all

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mad at me? She was worried
because it was just so dang odd that

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no one had spoken to her.
She tried calling the phones, but by

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this point they were of her parents, right, but by this point they

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were going straight to voicemail. So
around two pm, Jennifer Whiteed, which

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was Miss Lisa's boss, got in
touch with Michelle through Facebook to share in

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her worry about Joel and Lisa.
So Michelle called Detective McCord and was planning

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to go to her parents' house after
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she's a teacher, and so that
also hurt me, you know, just

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as a teacher, you know,
you're at work trying to change the life

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literally of kids, and she had
to rush and get coverage for her class

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because she was told do not go
to your parents' house. So obviously she's

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very alarmed at that statement. And
the detective said, I'd rather meet you

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somewhere else, but now, so
she gathers her things and they go meet

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at a local Harley Davidson parking lot, and this is where the news that

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two unidentified bodies were found at the
house, and she was stunned, but

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in hopes of clearing up any ideas
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that, she gave additional information about
her parents through some back and forth questioning

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with the detective, but not able
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the ongoing nature of the investigation.
Detective McCorory was limited in what all he

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could tell her, no matter how
much it was painting him. So Michelle

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was very confused and above that,
very alarmed. And to show you just

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how surreal the conversation was, she
told the detective, and this is a

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quote, just show me a picture
of the bodies and cover the faces.

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I can tell you if it's my
parents, and she added, almost desperately,

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they look like the nineteen eighties.
I'll know them when I see them.

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Just show me a picture, cover
the faces. Okay, just show

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me the bodies. Unfortunately, that
can't be done, y'all. The absolute

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horror of explaining why that can't be
done is beyond normalcy. What do you

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mean, Just cover the faces,
cover the faces, show them to me.

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And in desperation, because you want
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and he's like, I can't because
one head isn't attached, it's boiling

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on the stove, the other has
no face, and the bodies are not

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complete. The trickle down effect of
having to explain this to your children,

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which would have been the guy's grandchildren
before someone else does. Is something that

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also weighs on my heart because it
puts me in a word spot right here.

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I am doing a podcast on this
and giving out all these details.

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And don't you think it should be
the families, you know, position whether

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to share or not share these details
with their grandkids. But they are kind

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of or their children their parents' grandkids, but they're kind of ford their hands

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forced because it's gonna be on the
news, you know, they have to

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explain that. And the fact that
I'm doing this podcast, like I said,

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it leaves me painfully aware that there's
a possibility that their family may hear

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this, and that's a burden that
I carry. And I feel a great

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degree of responsibility required in my storytelling
to do justice for these victims, not

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be salacious, and that's why these
are often multiple parts and that I want

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to get all the details, but
I want to get them right. And

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on that note, I do need
to make an apology because I misspoke.

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On my first episode. I called
one of the guy daughters Shandee, when

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in fact it's actually pronounced by her
as Chandie. So I want to apologize

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for that. That was my mistake, I said, Shandie, but it's

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actually Chandace. But to me,
that's the difference between acknowledging who a victim

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was and what they went through versus
sensationalism. My intent is always genuine and

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to honor these victims, because without
these details you miss the essence of what

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it is to love and to lose, and the loss of both parents to

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murder is enough to make you sick. But then to have to explain how

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that is not a job I ever
want. And on a side note,

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if you're ever looking for a fulfilling
job right now and you're thinking about making

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a change, you should look into
victims right victims rights advocacy. They need

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good people, they need compassionate people
to help these victims through these times.

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So where was Michelle, this daughter
that they're speaking to, Where was she

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on the day of the murders?
You know, what was your relationship like

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with your parents, Michelle? And
it sounds harsh, but guys, you

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have to rule people out. You
can't just assume anything. And it turns

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out she was there on the day
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about Michelle real quick, stunningly beautiful, I am not exaggerating, stunningly beautiful.

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And she's a twin, the other
daughter, Angela Crane. They're twins

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and their biological mother struggled and was
a single mother because see Lisa was not

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their biological mother. They would go
spend summers with stepmom Lisa and their dad,

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Joel Senior growing up because they were
born and then a year later,

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Joel Guy Senior married Lisa, so
she had been in their lives, their

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whole lives since they were babies,
but she did not give birth to them.

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So now in what I would guess
would be their early thirties, they

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had a great child parent relationship.
And thinking back as a kid, she

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said going to her dad and Lisa's
was always so wonderful and homelike. She

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described it as like being on the
show The Waltons when they would visit.

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It was just such love in that
household, and she wanted to be a

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mom just like Lisa when she grew
up. She loved the fact that food

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was in abundance, and she said
there would be candy on the shelf,

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you know, the home. They
knew they were loved when they were there,

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and they could tell that Joel was
miss Lisa's king, and she wanted

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to be so much like her,
in fact, that she had the exact

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engagement ring design as Lisa. When
she got older, she wanted to be

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just like her. Lisa even had
a high arch in her foot, and

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Michelle would try to mimic that too
when she was younger, when she was

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walking. And what an honor for
a stepmother to be so admired by her

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stepchildren. This was a lifelong bond. And she lovingly described her daddy as

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a conspiracy theorist and it was kind
of funny, she chuckled. Oh my

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dad, I was, you know, this conspiracy theorist. He taught all

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of his children to shoot, his
girls, specifically, he even taught him

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had to bow and arrow, hunt
and shoot. Lisa would participate in target

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practice as well, so she said, guns were always a part of growing

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up. He you know, Dad
taught her good weapon safety too. Always

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assumed that the guns are loaded,
don't touch them, you know, be

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able to protect yourself, be a
good person, but stay dangerous, you

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know. So what was she doing
at the house on the day of the

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murders, Well, it was Thanksgiving, they had plans, but she stayed

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afterwards too because her dryer had broken
and she had actually sent a picture via

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text message to her dad earlier that
day showing just how much laundry she had

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because it had filled up the trunk
and she needed to use their machine,

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which Daddy, of course said,
no problem, come on over. So

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when she arrived at the house,
she did notice something that she found weird.

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When walking past Joel Junior's vehicle,
she happened to see two large blue

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sterlight containers in the back of his
car. And while he was admittedly you

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know, a strange one packing his
life luggage in those was what she thought

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was stranger. In her head,
those huge ster light containers were what he

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used as luggage, and as she
walked by, she was like, how

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weird. So clearly this likely has
your wheels turning, and it also had

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the officers you know, wheels turning
as well. And as you'll see in

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crime scene photos I've posted on the
Patreon, the bodies of the guy couple

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were found inside blue sterlight containers,
and that, my friends, is what

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we call a clue. She also
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was giving away his beloved items to
her kids, adding that she did not

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even think Joel Junior even knew her
kid's names. He was that strange.

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They did not speak that much,
and him interacting with her kids literally made

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her uncomfortable. It was way weird
that he was talking to them, so

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much so that she kept checking on
them periodically to make sure they were okay

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because he was being so nice to
them, and as she was moving throughout

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the house, she also mentioned that
the normally reclusive Joel Junior seemed to be

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almost shadowing her and so much at
one point that he was almost following her

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when she was doing the laundry,
and he had no reason to be.

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He wasn't offering to help or anything
like that. He just was keeping an

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eye on her and what she was
doing. She even stopped and kind of

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looked over her shoulder at one point, like what are you doing? What

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are you looking for? So after
further discussion and checking, Michelle was easily

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ruled out as having been involved,
so police now aimed their focus on Joel

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Junior. Where was he? Well, he was actually back at college in

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Louisiana, and this was proven too
because it turns out that that weekend he

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had hurt his hands pretty badly and
he had cut them. So how did

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he get those cuts? Well?
While moving the boat, you know he

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had somehow cut them. I mean, after all, you know, he

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wasn't really the outdoorsy type, you
know, like his parents and his siblings.

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And he gives me more dungeons and
dragons gaming vibes, you know what

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I'm saying, than someone who would
tackle a dangerous work project. And Joel

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Junior is a healthy guy, y'all. He kind of y'all won't hate on

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me for this. Here comes the
meani weenie reddit moment. Okay, but

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he kind of reminds me of a
bug eyed potato with a with a combover.

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I just described him to a t
if you're wondering. But either way,

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since he had hurt himself, there
was a record of him being seen

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by a doctor in Baton Rouge.
Specifically, he would go to the LSU

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Student Health Center where his treatment was
given as he was worried that he may

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actually lose his thumb. One of
his cuts was so bad it seemed odd

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though to anyone with a brain cell, that he would drive all the way

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back to Louisiana to have his wounds
tended to. But he explained that he

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didn't have health insurance, so he
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his medical care. Now, I
would like to point out to this was

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a nine hour drive. You are
so wounded, you're afraid you're gonna lose

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your hand, but you commit to
driving nine hours to another state so that

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your healthcare is free. Hmm okay, But then again, he's weird as

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shit. You know what I'm saying. He's weird, But he, to

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his credit, I guess, did
leave all of his things back at his

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parents' house. His laptop was there, his booksack, and a suitcase.

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That's right, I said suitcase.
It had his clothes in it too,

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not those blue buckets that his sister
had seen. He had gotten into Baton

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Rouge early Monday morning, got his
hand intended to He went to an Albertsons

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to get some medication, and then
he promptly turned around and drove back to

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Knoxville. Okay, but what did
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because by that point they were already
dead and found by the police.

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His answer is that upon returning to
his parents' house. He was stunned to

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find that he couldn't get into his
own home because it was surrounded by yellow

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caution tape. It was a crime
scene. He pulled up and was flabbergasted.

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There was a police car in the
driveway and his parents' cars were gone

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by that point, and all he
could think was, what the hell is

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going on? And if you believe
that story for one second, let's leave

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the captain obvious work to the professionals, because the bullshit meter is like screaming

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right about now. That's a convenient
little story when you say, because you

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would have to hold me back.
If I pulled up to my parents' house

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and saw caution tape, I would
fight every motherfucker in a ten mile distance

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to get into my parents. Sorry, mom for the language. I'm that

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passionate. This potato drives away.
When Detective McCord learned from Michelle Tyler that

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Joel Junior had stayed at the parents'
house for Thanksgiving, he combined that information

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with the fact that he also found
two Walmart receipts at the home, and

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they were both dated and time stamped
for November twenty sixth, the afternoon of

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the day after Thanksgiving, so this
would be important to establish a timeline of

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events of what could have possibly have
gone on. One receipt was found in

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misguy's purse, Lisa's purse right on
the kitchen table, and one was on

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the upstairs bathroom counter. The one
from her purse was time stamped twelve eighteen

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PM, and the items purchased on
that receipt matched the food and items that

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were on the foyer floor right where
it had been left by the front door.

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So Detective McCord went to the Walmart
address on the receipt and he obtained

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security camera footage from that time,
and sure enough, there was miss Lisa

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making her grocery purchases that she would
never put away. Interesting too, was

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what she was wearing. It was
this same clothing that was found piled at

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the top of the stairs. Okay, so she was killed shortly thereafter because

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she never even had time to change
clothes, and she never had time to

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put up the groceries, So twelve
eighteen is kind of our starting point.

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The other receipt was time stamped for
three thirty five PM, so roughly three

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and a half hours later. So
why did she go back to the store

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or what did she go back to
get? Well, the answer was nothing

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because she wasn't the person at the
store. Michelle had given a description of

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Joel Junior's car to Detective McCord in
a prior conversation, and as he scanned

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the footage right he went back and
was looking at security footage for that timeframe,

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a vehicle matching the exact description was
seen. The same person driving that

408
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.880
same vehicle was also confirmed to be
the same person who made the purchase on

409
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:31.880
the receipt and it was Joel Junior
and what he bought raises a few eyebrows.

410
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.160
He went directly to the first aid
section and purchased items that were the

411
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:45.559
same as what was found in the
upstairs bathroom of the house. Even more

412
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.400
alarming was the fact both of his
hands seemed to be injured and wrapped up

413
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:57.799
in bandages when he went to Walmart. A very unbelievable but clear picture was

414
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.039
beginning to take shape. Another document
that was found at the crime scene was

415
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:08.599
nothing short of shocking, and it
seemed like the literal roadmap for a planned

416
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.599
crime against the guy couple. It
was found in a maroon booksack found in

417
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:22.159
the guest bedroom, and inside that
booksack was a calculator, a notebook,

418
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.039
and some other documents and miscellaneous items. But when the notebook was opened,

419
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.840
inside there was a syllabus for a
Fall twenty sixteen class, along with some

420
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:38.159
handwritten notes and some math problems.
And there was also a bulleted list that

421
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:44.280
I'm going to read for you word
for word that I pulled from an official

422
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:51.639
court document. Get killing knives,
quiet multiple, Get carving knives to make

423
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:59.559
small pieces. Get sledgehammer, crush
bones, bring blender and food grinder.

424
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:09.280
Grind the meat. Get bleach denature
proteins. Get plastic bin for denaturation process.

425
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.280
Does not matter where they're killed.
Just get rid of bloody spots to

426
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.440
prevent evidence of time of death.
Not the mattress or couches. Get rid

427
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:27.519
of bodies inside house. There in
my DNA already there. Open up doggy

428
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:34.239
door to provide entryway. But then
he struck through that. Flush chunks down

429
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:42.559
toilet, not garbage disposal. Get
plastic sheeting for disposal process. Get hollow

430
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:47.679
point bullets just in case and then
he struck that through will be seen buying

431
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.679
bullets. Just use computer room gun
check to make sure there are bullets.

432
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:59.440
Last resort he's not alive, to
claim her half of the insurance money.

433
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:07.360
All mine five hundred thousand dollars.
Flood the house, Turn heater up as

434
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.599
high as it goes, speeds,
decomposition. Bleach reacts with luminol just like

435
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:21.000
blood. Dous area with bleach,
big sprayer, lie trash compactor, question

436
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:27.599
mark, body gives time of death
alibi. Don't have to get rid of

437
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:34.639
body if there is no forensic evidence
on the body. His fingerprints and DNA.

438
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:40.880
Minimize things I touch throughout visit.
Wear gloves and socks to prevent fingerprints

439
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:47.960
and footprints. Drop something down the
garbage disposal to break it. Get him

440
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:54.320
on the ground fixing it. Kill
him with the knife, clean up mess

441
00:36:54.360 --> 00:37:01.360
from him before she gets home.
Kill her with the no kill dog.

442
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:07.079
After then he struck through that and
wrote, leave alive. Take dog with

443
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.000
you. Place her in the shower, turn on hot water and point at

444
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.760
her to get rid of forensics.
Remove her clothes and take them with me

445
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:22.239
for disposal. Place him in a
plastic bin and use it to get him

446
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:28.519
into the upstairs bathroom. Cut off
his arms and plant his flesh under her

447
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:34.239
fingernails. Place her hand with his
DNA so that his DNA is not washed

448
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:40.159
away by shower. Use sodium hydroxide
to destroy his soft tissue and soft bones

449
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:49.360
for transport. Baste once every hour
to accelerate. Flush sodium hydroxide down the

450
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:53.320
toilet, wash out bin with hand
held shower head, and then direct hand

451
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.920
held into the toilet to flush everything
out of the pipes and into the public

452
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:06.000
waterway. Dows killing rooms and kitchen. Question mark with bleach, place hair

453
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:12.800
curler with flammable paper, and flammable
containers of gasoline in four locations. His

454
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:19.320
killing room, her killing room,
his bathroom, her bathroom. Wipe down

455
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:24.280
areas near killing rooms and bathrooms,
turn heaters up to ninety degrees to melt

456
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:32.000
fingerprints and dry everything. Set her
phone to send me a text message late

457
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.679
Sunday to prove that I was in
br and she was alive. Leave through

458
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:45.239
front door and wipe down doorknobs.
Timer for flammables set for Friday at ten

459
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.480
am so they can't report it.
And then another page of the notebook had

460
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:57.599
the following handwritten notes. Ultraviolet light
shows fingerprints, check mail before leaving to

461
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:04.760
get rid of blood. Use peroxide
for hemoglobin and bleach for DNA. Another

462
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.519
page of the notebook had handwritten notes
with the heading Destruction of bodies, and

463
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:16.119
it listed the percentage of fat,
protein, water, and other compounds in

464
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:22.519
the human body. With the last
page of handwritten notes listing the victim's assets,

465
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:29.760
and it read as follows her assets, her life insurance five hundred thousand

466
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:36.679
dollars possibly more with double indemnity.
With him missing and dead, I get

467
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:44.280
the whole thing. All her assets
are joint go to him if missing unknown.

468
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:49.440
If he is dead, his assets, including all joint property if missing.

469
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.840
When he gets all joint property,
he also gets joint debt. The

470
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:02.800
Knoxville house homeowner's insurance possibly but probably
worthless after the fire, they owe one

471
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:09.960
hundred thousand dollars. The other house
appraised at four hundred thousand dollars plus worthless

472
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.800
with Renee on property. Renee would
have been his aunt, Joel's sister,

473
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:22.400
Joel Senior's sister, her car,
his SUV not paid for his boat,

474
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.280
his old truck paid for his four
oh one k eighty thousand dollars, possibly

475
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:36.039
left after taxes. He could possibly
have savings and or investment accounts. I

476
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.679
don't know. You know what more? You would need me to read you,

477
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:45.199
to lay this out for you.
But something that was unbelievable to me,

478
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.079
amongst the fact of what I've just
read to you, was the fact

479
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:58.400
that doesn't even say mom and dad. It says her killing room, her

480
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:13.440
bathroom. Like he doesn't even identify
them by their natural you know, like

481
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.840
their natural being. To him,
it's just him and her. It's not

482
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:22.760
mom and dad. Their regional forensic
center was responsible for removing the body parts

483
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:30.920
from the scene, and they did
so. The liquids were so toxic that

484
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.239
their bodies were submerged in that the
EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, had

485
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.280
to remove it all and they had
to store it in special biochemical component containers.

486
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.880
And I've already mentioned all of the
tools and the chemicals found in the

487
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.280
previous episode, but some additional items
worth mentioning were also found, so I

488
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.039
wanted to bring them to your attention. A doorknob and a realtor's lock box

489
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.400
were in a chemical fluid in the
kitchen sink. Ding ding ding. Right

490
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.159
now, we know what happened to
that lockbox and that doorknob. There was

491
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:08.159
a blender base and a glass blender
pitcher, and there was also a knife

492
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:15.519
with USMC inscribed on it, muratic
acid and one hundred percent lie drain opener

493
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:22.840
and several six pound containers of number
two sewer line cleaner. So let your

494
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.239
brain really focus on this. Did
he really attack and stab his own parents

495
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:37.800
then cut them up and decide to
try and dissolve them in acid? Their

496
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:44.480
flesh to be blended up in a
blender or cut into chunks as he wrote,

497
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.280
and either flushed down the toilet or
down the sewer line in the drain

498
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:54.960
of the tub. These are his
parents, for God's sake. The autopsies

499
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.480
would confirm the horrible truth of what
the guy couple had endured. And I'm

500
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.280
gonna warn you it's tough. If
what I haven't said so far isn't tough.

501
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:12.000
Deputy State Medical Examiner Amy Hawes would
perform their autopsies, and the condition

502
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.440
of the bodies upon her receipt made
this a very complex situation. She said

503
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.559
that due to the fact that so
much of mister Guy's tissue was gone and

504
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.519
the fact that the bone had begun
to dissolve, she was unable to determine

505
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.960
the exact number of stab wounds he
endured, but she was able to positively

506
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:38.320
identify thirty four sharp force injuries to
his back, varying in depths from roughly

507
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:45.519
two to six inches deep. He
also had five stab wounds on the left

508
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:53.239
side of his abdomen, and these
injuries left even further injuries to his liver,

509
00:43:54.119 --> 00:44:00.039
lungs, kidneys, and ribs.
And the removed hands that were found

510
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.719
on the ground were mister guys and
they showed what were called classic defensive injuries.

511
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:08.880
So either you know, he was
trying to he put him up to

512
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.400
defend himself during the attack, or
trying to make the attack stop. He

513
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:19.639
actually grabbed the blade itself, but
the hands were cut. He had been

514
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:24.320
dismembered in that his arms were removed
at the shoulders and his legs were detached

515
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:30.239
at the hip. The condition of
his skull was described as completely skeletonized.

516
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:36.199
There was a defect in the front
of his forehead, but because of the

517
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.519
condition that the skull was in because
it was so poor, the doctor was

518
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:44.559
unable to determine the specific cause of
that defect. And other than the skin

519
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.599
from the back of his neck down
to around his buttocks, all of the

520
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.960
other skin had been dissolved by the
chemicals. Joel Guy Senior's cause of death

521
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:01.199
was officially determined to be multiple sharp
forced injuries. She then moved on to

522
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:07.639
Miss Lisa Guy's autopsy, and her
arms had been dismembered at the shoulders and

523
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:13.719
her legs had been removed at the
knees. The skin on her back was

524
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.639
still in decent condition compared to her
front, where the doctor described her body

525
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:27.079
as having almost no skin left all
right. Hear this. Her head had

526
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:31.079
been removed with force and boiled in
a substance that did not have a strong

527
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:39.280
chemical odor. Her scalp and her
hair were still intact even after being boiled,

528
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.320
and she too had been viciously attacked
in the back. This sm of

529
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:52.079
a bitch didn't even have the balls
to fight from the front. He attacked

530
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:59.519
them both from the back, and
she sustained at a minimum twenty five sharp

531
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:04.559
force in injuries that ranged from six
to seven inches deep. And then she

532
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:10.400
also had five less than lethal stab
wounds to her buttocks. The level of

533
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:17.440
violence was such that her injuries included
stabs to her heart, aorda, lungs,

534
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:24.639
left kidney, liver, ribs,
and her right shoulder blade. His

535
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:34.119
mother and Lisa Guy's cause of death
was also officially determined to be multiple sharp

536
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.480
force injuries. But something else that
was done at the request of original autopsy

537
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:45.119
doctor Hall's was to have another doctor, Murray Marx, to review the bodies

538
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:50.400
for skeletal trauma. And this is
going to leave me with nightmares. He

539
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:55.320
was able to identify Joel Guy Senior
by his fingerprints, but Lisa Guy was

540
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:01.000
identified by her orthopedic appliance that she
had, and based on the timing of

541
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.599
the stab wounds, he determined that
the damage done to mister Guy's ribs was

542
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:12.280
done while he was alive and then
the remaining ones were done after death.

543
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:17.159
Its overkill. He also found the
broken off tip of a knife in mister

544
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.199
Joel's muscle, which proved that there
was more than one knife used to injure

545
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.760
and dismember him. And he also
noted that the middle part of the forehead

546
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.679
down to the left part of the
upper jaw was missing due to that chemical

547
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.199
exposure. Now, as far as
miss Elisa goes, her arms were removed

548
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.639
at the shoulder and her right hand
was gone at her wrist. This right

549
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:47.519
here is this is just scary.
Her head had been removed between the second

550
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.199
and third vertebrae. And this makes
me sick to read in that her first

551
00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:00.239
cervical vertebrae was also chipped or damaged
due to and this is a direct quote

552
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:10.039
forceful movement back and forth of the
vertibal column against the skull. I mean

553
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:15.639
this image in my head, like
thinking of this is literally nightmarish. He's

554
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.760
got his mother by the hair of
the head and is just rocking it back

555
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:27.760
and forth to remove it. Murder
is never as simple as it's made out

556
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.480
to be. And the details are
why we have the death penalty and why

557
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.079
I think it should be used.
As the investigation was continuing to unfold,

558
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:43.199
Joel Senior's daughter contacted the police and
had even more damning evidence of illegal activity

559
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.599
committed against the guy couple. All
right, let's repeat real quick what I

560
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:51.679
always say, and everybody knows there's
three main motives for murder, money,

561
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:58.280
sex or revenge. Well, let's
bring on the money angle. Michelle was

562
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:02.199
the designated executor of her fire estate
and she had logged into his bank accounts

563
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:07.039
to try to make sense of anything
she could, and that's where more red

564
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:13.079
flags were Like brightly waving. She
immediately noticed payments made to a few creditors

565
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.519
from her dad's bank accounts after the
dates of death, and these were large

566
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.760
payments paid by credit card. Here
are the exact charges. On November twenty

567
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:28.880
seventh, at nine thirty eight am, one thy twenty five dollars paid to

568
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:34.280
the burser's office. Two minutes later, a charge of two thousand and fifty

569
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.440
one dollars and three cents again paid
to burser operations. At nine forty one

570
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.599
am, one thousand, five hundred
and eighty nine dollars and eighty nine cents

571
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.079
charged again to the burser of operations. So obviously these charges were from a

572
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:52.440
school and that school would be identified
as what do you think Louisiana State University.

573
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:59.159
The following day, another payment was
made from Miss Lisa's sun Trust bank

574
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:05.559
account via he checkcard to Submeter one
LLC in Louisiana for three thousand, ninety

575
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.320
dollars, which was basically a bill
payment company that collected like utilities from what

576
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.960
I understand, and a payment was
also made of nine thousand, two hundred

577
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:22.880
dollars for rent for an apartment in
Baton Rouge. You know the new trendy

578
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.719
thing to say when someone can prove
something without like a shadow of a doubt.

579
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.280
You know, it's not like and
they had the receipts. Well,

580
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:34.360
baby, the police had them in
to the EFEN receipts literally, guess what

581
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:40.280
else they found. FBI Special Agent
Robert King investigated two other receipts that dated

582
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:46.400
back before the murders November the eighteenth, to be exact. This receipt was

583
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:51.880
from the Academy Sports store in Baton
Rouge, Louisiana. And when he pulled

584
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.760
the video surveillance tape for that day
and time, guess who was making a

585
00:50:54.800 --> 00:51:00.440
purchase. That's right, Joelguid Junior. But it's what he bought, that's

586
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:09.400
again so concerning. It was a
knife, a United Cutlery us MC knife.

587
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:15.639
Sound familiar. He also investigated another
receipt from a Walmart in Baton Rouge

588
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:21.360
for November twenty first, and Joel
Guide Junior is again the one on the

589
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:27.639
security film and guess what he was
buying, Two blue sterilite tope containers.

590
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:34.360
Based on everything you've learned so far, you know who is responsible for all

591
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.320
of this, and so did the
police. So Detective mccor didn't waste any

592
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.360
time cutting a warrant for Joel Guide
Junior's arrest and FBI agents had already been

593
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.599
conducting surveillance on Joel Junior's apartment and
were able to confirm, yes, his

594
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:51.239
vehicle's here, and it's here right
now. So as agents made their way

595
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.440
up to the residents of Joel Guide
Junior on Tuesday, November the twenty ninth,

596
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:59.440
he actually came outside and was immediately
placed under arrest for the murder and

597
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:06.000
dismember of his parents. Now,
parricide is defined as the killing of a

598
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.039
parent like your mother or your father, or another near relative is actually also

599
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.039
included, so that could be your
sister, your brother, your aunt,

600
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.679
your uncle, or whatever. But
people commonly confuse parricide with patricide, but

601
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.719
that means to murder your father.
So like for funsies, I'll also add

602
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.800
that matricide is killing your mother,
fratricide is killing your brother sororocide is killing

603
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.360
your sister. You get the point. But I don't want to go all

604
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.800
teachery on you, but I thought
you might enjoy this. According to a

605
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.320
twenty nineteen study, parricide is the
rarest type of murder, accounting for only

606
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:43.079
two percent of all homicide cases,
but it's who does it that I thought

607
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:50.599
was interesting. Killing parents is usually
committed by adult, middle class white males

608
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:58.119
without any history of prior criminal acts, which is the exact demographic for Joel

609
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.480
Guy Junior. And I know,
I know most people are so horrified by

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this type of case that they immediately
jump to, oh, he must be

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crazy. But there's actually three specific
categories of parricide offenders. A severely abused,

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B mentally ill, and then C
dangerously anti social. So if you've

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been paying any attention, then you
know the answer is C for Joel Junior.

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Also, according to Wily Behavioral Sciences, online studies indicate that the typical

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double paraside offender who acted alone was
a white male approximately thirty years of age.

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This was almost paint by numbers as
far as it goes for who done

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it? Now? When speaking specifically
of dangerously anti social individuals, guess why

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they usually killed their parents? According
to studies, it's because they see their

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parents as an obstacle to a goal
or a desire. Joel Guide Junior's goal

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to be a lazy slob free of
any financial responsibilities. He fits it to

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a tee. Now, real quick, I had multiple people reach out to

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me and say, my god,
Kelly, you forgot one of the most

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important details. What the hell happened
to the dog? You didn't tell us

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any more about the dog. Worry
not, my friends, The dog was

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okay once police cleared the house.
The dog was actually picked up and sent

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to the Young Williams Animal Shelter.
And the reason I tell you that was

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in the obituary. If you want
to know how much they cared for their

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dog. In their obituary it says, in lieu of Flo, please consider

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a donation in their memory to Young
William's Animal Shelter. Lisa was an animal

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lover and both loved their dog,
Jake as their child. Young Williams took

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great care of Jake until a family
member could pick him up. So I

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did my due diligence, and I
did want to tell you what happened to

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precious Jake. He was okay.
At his trial, all of the horrible

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details of this case were put on
display for the world to see, and

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I couldn't help but to think of
the kids and the grandkids of Joel and

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Lisa Guy And they were known by
the way as Mamma and Papa to their

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grandkids, and that's exactly what I
called my grandparents on my dad's side,

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my Mamma and my Papa. They've
been gone a long time, but I

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still remember my Papa saying, come
here, little Darlin. That's what he

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always called all the girls in the
family, little Darlin, and all of

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his funny little jokes. And he
was such a ham. And my Mamma

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was a beauty queen in her younger
years and five foot nothing, she was

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a spitfire and funny as hell.
So listening to the guy children speak of

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their incredible trauma and loss and using
those loving grandparent names earned through family dedication

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and love, because I do think
those are earned titles, Mammon and Pepa,

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you know, I tried to put
myself in their shoes, and the

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thought was just nauseating. The way
that their family members spoke of them really

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encapsulated the gravity of their loss,
but also it spoke to the goodness of

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these people, And I felt led
to share just a couple thoughts with you.

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Tina, Joel Senor's daughter, when
she got up to have her moment

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in court, do you know that
the first thing out of her mouth was

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that she apologized to law enforcement for
the evil they had to see at the

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hands of someone in their family and
the awareness that this affected so many people

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is a amazing to me. And
she even added that she was going to

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continue to pray for them as she
does her own family. And I thought,

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what a wonderful woman to acknowledge that
police two were traumatized by this event.

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Daughter Michelle choked back tears as she
spoke of her daddy and she noted

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his sense of humor and that she's
going to miss it. And also she

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spoke of her stepmother, Lisa,
you know, who had been in her

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life since she was one years old, and she wanted to be just like

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Lisa. But something that she said
that hit me in the heart was when

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she said, I wonder when her
heart broke in the final moments as her

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beloved son was killing her, did
she even continue to fight? Miss Lisa's

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brother also spoke and told Joel Junior
that he actually had three deaths on his

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hands because Lisa was loved beyond measure
by their mother and she was hospitalized after

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she learned about their murders, and
y'all, she never left the hospital.

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She missed her daughter's funeral, she
didn't get to take a final communion.

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She literally died the day after Lisa's
funeral of a broken heart. Robin White,

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Joel Senior's sister, said that she
knew who did it the night she

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found out, and like the data
on dangerously antisocial people, the family knew

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because just before the killing, Lisa
and Joel had said they could no longer

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financially support Joel Junior, and they
had told everyone they planned on telling him.

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Y'all. This was all the cause
of this. Not that they didn't

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love him anymore, not that they
didn't care about him anymore. It was

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that they couldn't financially support him anymore. The parasite realized that its host was

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gone, and he treated it accordingly. They were no longer of use to

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him, and in that moment he
sucked the very last bit he could from

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them, being their money. At
the conclusion of the trial, Joel guide

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Junior was found guilty on all charges, including two counts of first degree murder

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and two counts of abuse of a
corpse, and the judge told Joel Junior

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that he quote thinks he's smarter than
he really is end quote, adding that

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the crimes were committed in a quote
unintelligent way, and showed no remorse for

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his actions during the trial, appearing
nearly proud of his actions. He received

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two consecutive life sentences with four years
on top of that for the desecration of

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the corpses, and he won't be
eligible for release for one hundred and thirty

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years. The judge called him a
depraved mind that would likely not change over

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any length of time, and y'alled
the ju couldn't have been any more rite

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because in a note later collected by
authorities, Joel Junior wrote of his fantasies

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of harming a cell mate while he
slept, and this is a direct quote.

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I'm writing this letter because I don't
want to end up with a disciplinary

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infraction or worse, more criminal charges, Nor do I logically believe that this

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gentleman deserves to be blind. He
wrote just six days after being convicted of

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murdering his parents and abusing their corpses. He wanted to gouge his cellmate's eyeballs

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out. He also said, I
don't know what to do. I shouldn't

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be allowed access to another person while
they're unconscious. Really, dude, Notice

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how the letter isn't actually about the
guy he wanted to gouge the eyes out

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of. It was actually that he
didn't want to get an infraction. That

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was the point of the letter.
This guy is a depraved, anti social

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piece of shit who needs to be
dealt with on a level not afforded by

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the courts, and I feel confident
that no one would miss him either either

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way. The courts did their job
and he will never walk the streets again,

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and for that I'm thankful. He's
dangerous and to me, he doesn't

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deserve to continue to be called Joel
Junior. He was named after a good

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man, and the junior implies that
he would carry that good name forward.

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Obviously, he's clearly demonstrated otherwise,
So in the spirit of stripping him of

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that good name and problem solving,
might suggest we change his name to Gillette,

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because behind bars, he's now the
best a man can get, and

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without warning he'll cut you