April 9, 2025

SERIAL MURDERER: Todd Kohlhepp | Part 2

SERIAL MURDERER: Todd Kohlhepp | Part 2

This episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings concludes her deep dive Serial Murderer Todd Kohlhepp who lured literally countless people to his property, in an effort to torture and murder them. 

Timestamps
03:18 A Realtor with...

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Season 7

This episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings concludes her deep dive Serial Murderer Todd Kohlhepp who lured literally countless people to his property, in an effort to torture and murder them.

Timestamps
03:18 A Realtor with a Dark Secret
06:59 The Disappearance of Megan and Johnny
15:55 The Fight Against Addiction
20:19 The Complexity of Missing Persons
24:32 Interrogating the Killer
30:15 Todd's Admission of Guilt
32:40 The Aftermath of Violence
37:21 Discovering the Truth
40:50 The Impact on Victims’ Families
48:50 The Cold Cases Resolved
54:40 The Brutal Murders at the Motorcycle Shop
1:05:17 Todd's Callousness Unveiled

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Sources:
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/05/25/todd-kohlhepp-timeline-events/343881001/
https://www.independentmail.com/story/news/2017/06/09/new-documents-released-kohlhepp-case/384188001/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/young-couples-remains-found-on-south-carolina-property-of-serial-killer-suspect https://www.911memorial.org/learn/resources/digital-exhibitions/digital-exhibition-revealed-hunt-bin-laden/operation-neptune-spear
https://www.goupstate.com/story/news/crime/2016/11/09/bodies-at-crime-scene-identified-as-spartanburg-couple/24577983007/
https://www.wane.com/news/documents-suspected-serial-killer-drew-complaints-years-ago/
https://www.facebook.com/foxcarolinanews/videos/terry-guy-whose-wife-beverly-guy-and-stepson-scott-ponder-were-killed-at-superbi/10154671773949166/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4tVGl_j28

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.

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Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all,

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it's kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. What's

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going on with you? How the hell are you doing?

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And this is going to be the part two of

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that Todd colehep episode that you should have already heard

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part one. If you haven't, stop what you're doing, go

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listen to part one so that part two will make

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complete sense. And I worked my ass off for you

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on this episode. I'm talking Hella hours put in because

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there's so much that was not covered in the media

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about this case, and I want you to know all

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of it so you can take all of the information

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and apply it to what you think you know. So

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that we can have the full story when it's all

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said and done. So we left off last episode with

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finding out that Kayla had been missing for sixty five

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days and that not only was she alive, but she

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was talking and she had a lot to say that

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she could uncover for detectives that were looking into her

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disappearance as well as Charlie's Todd colehep had taken her,

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chained her up by the neck and that and her

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ankles and that shipping container, and he was keeping her

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as a sex slave and really an unwilling confidant that

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he would disclose everything he wanted to to her. And

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she had nowhere to be, or she had places to be,

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I guess, but she had no way to get there.

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She was stuck and so she had to listen. So

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she did. And something I'd like to say too.

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Is whenever people armchair quarterback the survival of a victim,

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to me, that's totally the wrong thing to do. And

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the reason we know that what she did was the

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right thing to do is because she survived. So if

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there's any victims out there, maybe not on this level necessarily,

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but if there's any victims out there that you know,

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people question what they did or why they did what

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they did. If you're alive today, then you did the

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right thing. It doesn't matter what you did. Everything you

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did was right because you're alive today. You made it

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through whatever you were suffering through. And so kudos to you,

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and kudos to Kayla because whatever she did, it worked

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and she's alive to talk. So also, police were looking

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for the body of Kayla's boyfriend, Charlie, and then they

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unearthed another body, but it was not Charlie. Todd had

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claimed to Kayla that he was a serial killer, but

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she really just thought he was puffing his chest and

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being macho or something like that. But this was kind

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of lending itself to say, whoa wait a minute, we

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got an extra body here. What's going on? And something

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that I was curious about, and maybe some of you

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were as well, was how the hell is a violent,

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convicted sex offender able to be a realtor? Because remember,

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when he was a teenager, he held that girl at

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gunpoint and raped her. How did he ever get to

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be a realtor and be in people's homes in the

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first place. Someone who works in a job that opens

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the public up to inherently trusting them should not have

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such a conviction. I would think if you're going to

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be selling homes and be in and out of homes

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with people and going places with people and showing them homes,

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it doesn't seem to me like that would fit the bill.

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You're a convicted sex offender, do you remember if you've

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been a listener for a long time, you may, if not,

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go back, But do you remember the Justin Bloxham case

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that I did. Taxi drivers now cannot be sex offenders

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as a result of that case, because they realized, you know,

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there's certain jobs that certain types of offenders don't need

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to be in. They don't need to be driving people around.

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Sex offenders cannot operate a bus, they can't drive a

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taxi cab, they can't drive a limo for hire. They're

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also not allowed to operate carnival rides. Hell carnies are

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kind of scary to be in with. Now you had

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sex offender to that element and sounds kind of that's

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a lot.

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So another thing listed, and I'm looking.

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I was looking at Louisiana law just to verify what

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I'm talking about here, but I'm sure this extends state

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to state, but no door to door sales are allowed,

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which I'm I'm assuming includes selling the whole damn house

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attached to the door. Wouldn't you think they don't want

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you going door to door? Do you want them selling

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you the whole down door with house and going in it?

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Because I don't showing people's homes. You never really think

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about these things when you hire people to sell your house,

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do you. I necessarily wouldn't. That wouldn't cross my mind.

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Who are you showing every inch.

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Of your house? To think about it? Who are you

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just handing over a key to and giving.

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Full access, possibly while you're at work, and they put

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one of those lock boxes on the front door, and

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they have access to your home while you're away.

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And they're supposed to be showing it to people.

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It's just food for thought, because we're in a world

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where anything is possible, and at this point we should

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just assume it is. You know, these cases show us

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more and more what people are capable of. Well, Todd

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did have to acknowledge his felony convictions with his application

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before the Real Estate Commission. He did acknowledge it, and

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he also had filed a two page summary explaining his

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conviction with his original application, Here's the thing. People who

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do the right thing expect others to do right and

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to do the right thing. And in this case, because

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you have to explain it away, the board expected him,

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since he acknowledged it, to explain truthfully the situation and

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why he had that conviction. But Todd's letter to the

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Commission about his nineteen eighty six offense was that he

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told them he had been arguing with his girlfriend. They

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were both fifteen years old, and he called her his girlfriend.

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I hope you remember that was not his girlfriend. I

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was a neighbor.

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He said.

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We were fighting after we broke up, and then I

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had to go out and chase down my dog that

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got loose, and when I got home, the police came

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by because they couldn't reach my girlfriend. The family was

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looking for her, and he said I ended up getting

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arrested and charged with the kidnapping because I had a

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gun on me when we were arguing, and I told

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her not to move while we were arguing. And the

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only reason he said that he had a gun was

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because he was concerned about the crime in the area

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where he lived. He was concerned about the crime he

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was fifteen years old and concerned, and he had to

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have a gun on him. Basically, his argument was that hey,

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I was young and dumb, and it really isn't what

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it seems like. It sounds like, Well, all I can

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tell you is that this is a real estate board,

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not a parole board, because I'm going to assume that

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their strengths weren't in were not in reading criminal behavior

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or checking further into the claims, because three weeks after

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Todd's letter was submitted, he was granted his license even

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as a registered sex offender. And I'll post the letter

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that Todd wrote on my Patreon for you in its entirety,

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if you want to go look at it. I will

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say that rules have changed since he was licensed, and

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so they do require background checks, but that wasn't until

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May of twenty fifteen. Based on everything that I was

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looking at, different states may have had different dates, but.

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That's what I found.

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That said, then my wheels really got spinning, and I'm like, well,

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wait a minute, what if someone becomes a sex offender

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after they're licensed, then the background check was pointless If

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you get it after your license, a charge and you

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get convicted. So again It's just something about the what

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ifs and things that I'm bringing up just to think about. Obviously,

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that's not something that we need to harp on every

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single day of our lives, but I think it is

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important to anyone that may be in real estate or

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at a commission that maybe that should be something scrutinized

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and looked at. And if I don't know what I'm

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talking about, maybe y'all do have something implemented wherever you work. Fantastic,

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But this is just kind of an overview of what

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I found in my research. So while he may have

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become licensed, it wasn't without pushback in the years to come.

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So Todd openly shared that he was a realtor online,

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but he also openly said whatever the hell he wanted

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to online, which included threats towards people. Throughout the years,

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he would put obscene posts online and look, America, you

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do you, but you know we as a people, whatever

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discipline you take on as a profession, you have a

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job to uphold the standard of what that should look like. Sure,

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teachers could be out there posting obscene things and dirty

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comments and post chug and doing keg stands and all

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that but even though it's on your free time, it

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really doesn't look good as an educator.

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Kind of makes you look not quite up to par.

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With what with the type of person you would expect

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to be in front of a kid teaching them things

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may not be true. Maybe you can compartmentalize in classroom

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outside of it, but it still doesn't look good. And

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the same thing went for real estate and for realtors

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out there. And in two thousand and nine a complainant

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was quoted. He filed a complaint and he was quoted

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as saying, quote, something must be done to stop this

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crazy man before something dreadful happens. End quote If that

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is not prophetic, I was like, wow, now, why did

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this person write that. This was in reference to a

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Facebook complaint which included screenshots, so it wasn't just hearsay.

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It included screenshots of Todd coleheb posting about sex, getting

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revenge on people, and guns. Now, look, I'm all about

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Second Amendment, do your thing. I think that these gun

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posts were more along the enticement side of using a

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gun or more like overly threatening or or calling for

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a war against other people and things of that nature.

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To be specific, though in one instance, Todd had taken

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one of those personality quizzes that they have all the time,

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like you know what flower are you? Or what does

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your zodiac sign say about you? But he took one

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that was about his personality and it found that the

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results were he would be considered a quote reaper because

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and the understanding underneath that It explained you would be

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a reaper because you likely take a fatal approach to problems.

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Whatever. Okay, it's just a quiz, it's fake.

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But it was his comment on it that someone felt

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cross the line because it said I was the reaper

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because I take a fatal approach on things. And then

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he added quote that part's true, I do take payback

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a little too far, easy solution, don't piss me off.

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So behavior unbecoming at minimum certainly okay, scary to people

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that felt like maybe those threats and those comments may

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have targeted them. Sure, But the complaint was formally filed

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with the Real Estate Commission, who oversees the licensing, and

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the filer noted direct quote, if this is how excuse me?

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Is this how we want our profession represented? And I

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think the person makes a pretty good point. Another complaint

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was also filed. There were multiple complaints filed against him

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after his licensure, and the complaint was made because Todd

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online was calling for war and destruction and he was

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writing he wanted this because he quote basically.

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be a people person, and be selling real estate, but

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you hate the human species, what the hell does that mean.

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He was also really outlandish at times, posting things to

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potential home buyers. He would say things like, there was

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one complaint. The woman's name is redacted. I'm assuming it

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was another realtor, and it's just because of the context

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of what I read, but I can't.

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I can't confirm that.

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But what was said was in the complaint that he

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was saying, basically, this woman would wash your car in

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a yellow bikini just to get a sale. So it

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sounds like it was another female realtor and he was

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basically calling her a slut. So when it was all

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said and done, the truth was that none of the complaints,

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not one of the complaints filed against Todd with the

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Real Estate Commission were investigated because while his words were

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distasteful for sure. No real estate laws were violated, and

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their job was not to oversee morality. Their job wasn't to,

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you know, to legislate, I guess your personal beliefs. It

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was real estate law. So it all just went away, luckily,

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I guess though. After his November third arrest for Kayla's kidnapping,

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that's when the Real Estate Commission said, we're gonna go

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ahead and provoke your license or at least suspend it

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at that point. So while Kayla was now safe in

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the hospital, she was starting her recovery both physically and emotionally,

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because as anyone with any understanding of abuse or sex

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abuse included, would know that it's not just the physical

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wounds that you have to recover from. There are deep

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emotional wounds when these things are done to you. So

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while all of this was going on and it was fresh,

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Todd was behind bars and investigators were now preparing to

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investigate or talk to him and interrogate him. So, while

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this case was breaking wide open, and it was a

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huge breakthrough what we had found out so far, there

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were still other cases that hadn't been solved that were

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local but were very similar in nature as well, so

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finding Kayla alive was a miracle and it boosted morale

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in that anything is possible on any given day, and

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we don't want to ever.

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Give up hope.

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It really, you know, pushed that through that we don't

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give up hope, even when it looked slim.

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Please don't ever give up hope.

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There were other missing people out there still, and maybe

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we can find them alive too.

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It's proof that it.

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Happens, and it can happen. People like twenty nine year

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old Johnny and twenty five year old Megan Coxy. They

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were a married couple and they had been missing much

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longer than Kayla. But they were missing too, and they

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were local to that area. There was no word from

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these two for over a year, since about December of

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twenty fifteen, if you want to be completely specific. Like

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I said, they were local, and their disappearance was a

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little bit different though, and it was under a little

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bit of different situation. So a little bit of background

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on them. Megan and Johnny had gotten married in twenty twelve,

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February fourteenth of twenty twelve, and they loved one another.

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There's no doubt about this, But I would be lying

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to you if I didn't point out that they weren't

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without serious struggles. And I don't mean this in terms

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of their marriage and love. I just look ride myself

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on being as honest as I can, and sometimes, to

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be frank with you, that requires sharing less than positive

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information about people. But I want you to understand that

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what I'm sharing right now is not from a condescending

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point of view. It's from a place of compassion, and

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I think you'll understand when I explain. But Meghan and

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Johnny were not doing well in life. Meghan's mom was

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the one that reported them missing to begin with, and

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this would result in arrest warrants being issued for both

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Meghan and Johnny. And you're like, well, wait a minute,

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if they're missing, why would you have an arrest warrant

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put out for them. That's because Meghan and Johnny were

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heroin users and they were not winning the battle. They

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were trying to do their best. But anyone who knows

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an addict, has been an addict, or currently loves an addict,

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will understand that this is a day to day battle

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you fight every day of your life, and they just

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were not winning. I think the recovery rate from heroin

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is like two percent ninety eight percent of the time.

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People don't win.

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They had a child together, and records showed that Megan

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was still in the throes of active addiction when she

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was pregnant with this child. She used heroin admittedly for

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the first six months of her pregnancy, and then after

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the child was born, Megan was not getting any better,

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and so she had been charged with child neglect as

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well as the baby allegedly tested positive for heroin roughly

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a month before they disappeared. So this is not a

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good situation at all. Now, the baby, thank god, was

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not missing, and social services had formally removed the child

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for Megan and Johnny's care. Now, another report I read

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did not say that the baby tested positive for heroin.

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It said that Megan tested positive for heroin, and that's

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why the baby was taken away. Whichever one it is,

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I'm not a thousand percent sure, or I wasn't until

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I get a little bit further in the story. But

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right now, let's just say heroin was involved and the

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child was taken away, and that's why the child was

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in the care of other people, and Meghan and Johnny

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were missing. Now, keeping employment and making money is obviously

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a problem whenever you're actively addicted to heroin. I did

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see at one point that the couple had bred their dog,

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but that wasn't a money making goal.

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I don't think.

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Maybe it was an accidental pregnancy or something, or maybe

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they did want to sell the puppies, but that's not

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going to be a long term way to support yourself.

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It was Christmas time when the couple was last heard from,

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and they were actively out trying to make cash, and

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that was verified by multiple people. Tell you how poor

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the couple was. They were panhandling together to make money

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at one point right before their disappearance. Were they poor

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likely due to poor life choices?

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One hundred percent?

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Probably true, But that doesn't mean that you should go

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missing and unnoticed just because they are addicts and making

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poor decisions. Does not say well, you don't matter, because

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they do and where did they go? So, while I

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don't and I'm really going to stand on this, While

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I don't think any law enforcement department purposefully just dismisses

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looking for people, I do know for a fact that

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people like addicts and prostitutes and the homeless, they pose

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a very significant problem when they go missing because oftentimes

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these people will go days or weeks without even contacting

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people that they love or people that love them. These

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people are often in and out of jail, so they

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lose contact again with not only loved ones, but friends

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and people are kind of used to them coming in

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and out of their lives. And quite frankly, if you've

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ever dealt with addiction as someone who's not actually in

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the throes of it, but you've loved an addict, you

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know that at some point it just gets exhausting fighting

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the battle to try to save somebody when they can't

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save themselves.

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And I know that hurts to say, but it's true.

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These addicts don't often have a fixed schedule. There's little

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to no responsibilities that would make their disappearance a huge

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red flag immediately. And it's very uncomfortable to say this,

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but these pointers I'm pointing out to you because this

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as in a lot of cases, people think that the

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police just disregard them.

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It's not necessarily that.

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It's just that it's very hard to find these people

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because there's no like, you know, every day, someone comes

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home after work at this time and they pick up

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their kids, and then they always go to church at

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this time. There's no finite time frame or place that

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they should be, and it makes it very hard to

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find them. And this is that what the police did

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find out and knows fact about Meghan and Johnny. Meghan

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did have a job at some point in the months

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prior to her arrest, because she was working at a

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waffle house, which they were able to confirm. She worked

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as a waitress, and Meghan was a likable girl. She

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had regulars that would come in, she knew their orders,

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and she even had some regulars that took a liking

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to her and like would call her their girl and

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they would give her big tips. She was the one

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that they wanted to sit with. Everybody knew when they

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came in. Oh uh, Meghan's Meghan's his girl, let her

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take care of him. And there was one guy, however,

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that seemed to always be trying to get Meghan to

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come home with him. Maybe she thought that because maybe

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he thought because she was so nice and what at friendly,

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that maybe she was hitting on him or something, But

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that wasn't the case. She loved her Johnny, Okay, she

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was married to him, but that one guy specifically creeped

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out the waitresses so much that after a little while

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there was an unspoken agreement that whenever this one customer

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would come in, there was a male cook who would

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go and take his order so that the girls weren't

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so creeped out by him. That was something the police

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did find out, so that was something that they looked into.

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But other than that strange patron of the waffle house,

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there were no major leads out there. And the other

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known was that both of the Coxies had spent their

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last known days in jail, so they were on the

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roster and they had been incarcerated. Megan had contacted her

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mama and asked her mama to make her bond so

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that she could get out, and if her mama would

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make the bond, Megan did have a legit job lined

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up and she could pay her back, so at some

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point once they both got out of jail, neither of

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the Coxies were ever heard from ever again. But as

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I always preach, and I will continue to preach until

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the end of time, people don't vanish.

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It actually bothers me. It irks me when people go

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they've vanished. People don't vanish.

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Something happens to each and every one of them. So

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while this case wasn't looking very good in terms of

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solving it, at least hope could remain because Kayla had

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been found and she was alive. So back at the jail,

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Todd COLHEP was chomping at the bit to talk to

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detectives and they were ready to listen because this is

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what we live for. We want to solve these cases.

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So to start, something I want to tell you about

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Todd is that he is very approachable and he speaks

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with manners. Okay, it's strange, isn't it. Yes, ma'am and no,

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ma'am are no problem for him. It rolls off his

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tongue like clockwork. He is very respectful and his way

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of speaking is almost professional in some way. He's not stupid.

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He's not some you know, dumb ass roam in the streets.

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He does have intelligence and it makes you wonder. It

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should make your wheels kind of turn, like, what do

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you think a rapist or a killer?

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Sounds like? Really, think about what I'm asking you.

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Could you pick one out? Could you pick one out

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just by talking to them? Because usually you're led to

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think that they would be rude or uncouth, but the

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reality is that these types of personalities can be very charming,

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and usually are. They're very unassuming people like them. And

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this is Todd I could see. I'm telling you, I've

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watched a lot of interrogation on this guy. I could

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see how he could lower your guard because he's just

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so average. Nothing about him stands out. He doesn't waste

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his time either. When they start this interrogation, he does

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not waste a second trying to lie about his involvement.

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Nope, he is direct.

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He speaks with this cadence of almost like a doctor

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dictating his casework to a recorder or something.

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And also, I'll tell you this.

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I'll post the videos of his full interrogation, but be

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prepared because it is beyond frustrating how the detectives interview

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this dude. They ask him at the very beginning, hey,

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do you want to write out your statement or do

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you want me to write it for you? And Todd

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kind of laughs and goes, bro, this is why type

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I don't want to write anything. You can write it

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for me. And painstakingly, this detective the entire time is

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writing the statement and he's slowing him down. He's like,

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hold on a second, while he's writing it, and he's

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writing damn near every single word word for word what

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Todd col hep is saying. And it drove me mad

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listening to it like it's being recorded, dude, there's cameras

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and audio. Why are you doing it this way? Let

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the man talk? Because interrogation, if you don't know shit

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about policing, interrogation's one oh one would tell you never

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stop a talking suspect. You never stop them or interrupt them.

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00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.960
Let them word vomit, let him talk it out. But this, ugh,

460
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:17.599
this detective stops him over and over and over again,

461
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.000
and it's painful to watch, and it's even more cringe

462
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.400
to listen to. So you're welcome because I did it

463
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.240
for you. But I will post it if you want

464
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.200
to go check it out. So Todd starts out, seated

465
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.319
at the table. He's dressed in his prison orange or

466
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:35.000
his jail orange jumpsuit. He's shackled at the ankles, and

467
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.279
these two detectives, they're casually dressed, start talking with him.

468
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.119
So there's three of the guys in the room, and

469
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.000
Todd's body language was interesting to me.

470
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.440
He's sitting at the table and he's.

471
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.240
Got both elbows on the table and his chin is

472
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.920
resting on his fists, just looking at the detectives in

473
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.359
front of him, like waiting for what's about to happen.

474
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.640
And the detective accidentally misspells his name when he's trying

475
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.880
to write at the very beginning, and Todd even kind

476
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.880
of chuckles, and he goes, man, when I'm drinking, I

477
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.279
misspell my own name sometimes, haha. It's very casual, it's common,

478
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:12.039
it's lighthearted, and it's actually funny unless you know what's

479
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:12.839
already happened.

480
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.480
It's like, you know, just your average little laugh about

481
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:16.839
the weather.

482
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.839
And then as they go on, the detective says, okay, man,

483
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.480
what's your address? And Todd jokes again. Well, he says,

484
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:26.039
I want to be as smart ass and I'll give

485
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.720
the jails address, and they all kind of chuckle at it.

486
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.960
He chuckles at his own humor. So, aside from what

487
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.640
we know to this point, I want you to I

488
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.039
want to just be honest that he's very friendly. He's

489
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:41.240
like jovial, and it's very disarming if you did not

490
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.599
know what we already know. So Todd begins talking about

491
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.519
a woman that he met and he says that he's

492
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.720
been talking to this woman off and on.

493
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:54.799
For a few days. He had met her a while back.

494
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.680
He said that they had exchanged numbers, and he met

495
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.039
up with her again a few days later after they

496
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.119
had exchanged numbers, and he thought that the reason he

497
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.039
was meeting up with this woman was that she was

498
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:08.920
more like hitting on him and that's why they were

499
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.559
meeting up. But it turns out that was not the

500
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.559
case whenever she got there, when he realized that this

501
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.440
was not a love connection or a hookup, which also

502
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.920
first episode, I told you he was single. When I

503
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:24.039
said single, I meant not married, because Todd mind blowing

504
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:30.440
had a girlfriend throughout all of this impressive. But he

505
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.240
met up with this woman anyway, so I guess he's

506
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:32.839
not faithful.

507
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:33.720
We learned that.

508
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.359
And when he realizes this is not going to be

509
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.599
a love connection, he offers her a job instead and says,

510
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:41.519
would you like to come do some work for me?

511
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.680
She says sure, and he says, look, you can bring

512
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:45.000
along someone to work with you as.

513
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:45.680
Well if you want to.

514
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:50.920
The Next day, though, whenever Todd opened up his newspaper,

515
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.079
he saw a mug shot of that woman he had

516
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.720
met with, and that he was exchanged numbers with in

517
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.240
the newspaper, and he read that she had been arrested

518
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.400
for drugs and so the courts had picked her up

519
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.680
or whatever, and she had been arrested. Well, Todd would

520
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:10.039
then meet up with her later on at like days

521
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.799
later or whatever after that. And so when they met up,

522
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.880
he says, man, your mugshot was in the paper, what's

523
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.480
that all about? And she said, Oh, I have a

524
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.720
drug problem, but I'm trying to work through it, and

525
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.119
I got arrested for that. So Todd said, look, and

526
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.640
he's talking to these detectives like I'm talking to you.

527
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.240
But he says, look, I wanted to still give her

528
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:29.160
a chance to work, because shit happens.

529
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.440
Life's hard, you know. I'm saying, we got to give

530
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:31.079
people a break.

531
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:36.200
And he goes and he picks up this woman and

532
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.279
a man that was with her a few days later

533
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.920
after that for work. He drove him up to his

534
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.519
property and when they got there, they got out of

535
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:45.880
the car, and that's when he said that the man

536
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.799
then pulled a knife out on him and attacked him.

537
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.799
So why would this man that he's given a job

538
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.519
to and this woman, why would they pull out a

539
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.960
knife and just come after you, Todd, and he explained,

540
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.200
he said, Look, I think it was there intention all

541
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.880
along to target me. He said, because I have a

542
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.799
lot of money, actually said, a shitload of money. And

543
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.839
I drive a nice car, really expensive car, nothing that

544
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:11.559
they would have. So I think they targeted me because

545
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.400
they thought that I would be a easy robbery. Now

546
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.319
now that you know all that, you can listen to

547
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:26.240
Todd Colheb explain the unsolved disappearance of Meghan and Johnny

548
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.240
Coxy in his own words.

549
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.440
And I fixed the club and I drove him to

550
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:36.000
Milana the kids supplies and got down to my building

551
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:43.599
and that's when Johnny Pooley a knife out and you shot.

552
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.839
I shot. What did you do with his life? Oh no,

553
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.480
I don't keep that gone correct, and just threw it out. Yeah. Time,

554
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.519
What does she do when you shot Johnny? What did

555
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.559
she do when Johnny pulled the knife out? What did

556
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:58.359
you say? Nothing? So you think she was playing on

557
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:02.440
the fighting of us. I think she entirely. There was

558
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:08.160
There was no oh shit, Johnny, what are you doing?

559
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.920
There was none of that. This was her actions were

560
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.200
she knew he was doing that. They saw a guy

561
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.920
who had a ship, a lot of money, hard again forward.

562
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.440
They didn't even have a car, and they were gonna

563
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.240
get something. Okay, So then you shot him how many times?

564
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.680
Shot him twice in the chest, he dropped forward, and

565
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.799
he dropped forward. I went around him and put another

566
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.279
one through a spinal coll okay, and you shot her

567
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.799
not exactly put him there, sat up for a couple

568
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.799
of days for she just go ahead mostly just looked

569
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.440
through the whole long. Uh left her alone. I didn't

570
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:57.920
know what he'll do with her. And then she kept

571
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.599
burning ship. I come in and also find that she

572
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.839
burnt her blanket when she burnt this. She's sitting next

573
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.880
to one hundred thousand miles. Amo, look, we've got please

574
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.960
stop burning shit. Yet that thing goes off. Do you

575
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:13.759
know what? Do you know what that was? Due to

576
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.920
a neighborhood or an area that's my other neighborhood, It

577
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.000
wouldn't be yeah, holy shit, Yeah, please do not catch

578
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.839
the building on fire. She kept trying to get ship

579
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.680
on fire and then go I'm smoking. I've opened the

580
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.599
door and then'm gonna cloud with the mountain. It's like

581
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.880
little cartoons looking back getting her cigarettes. That's why I

582
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:46.960
mass mistake, had her there, let her alone to ground

583
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.559
the other building, sat her down for a while, got

584
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.200
her to calm down, just please calm down, got her

585
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.440
some food, told her basically that if she was just

586
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.200
chill the hell out, you don't know me. You don't

587
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.599
know very much about me. You don't have shit. And

588
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.079
last time I could check from what was online, she

589
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.880
had a work when looking for her ass I'll give

590
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.480
you you look, four thousand dollars. I'll drive you up

591
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.119
to Tennessee. I'll drop the asshole somewhere. If you got

592
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.599
any common sense on this planet. He'll go left and

593
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.000
I'm the right. And when she's it, Oh, she got

594
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.759
so excited. I got my tick sucked. Uh she did, yeah,

595
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:29.359
because it wasn't bad.

596
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.640
Johnny has been murdered in front of Megan, and now,

597
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.400
according to Todd, she has seen her husband murdered brutally

598
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.200
right in front of her. And now she's just offering.

599
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:46.079
She's offering with joy to give him sexual favors. She's offering, guys,

600
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.160
does that sound right to you? Because I'm over here, like, yeah,

601
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.240
friggin' right, Romeo. I don't believe that part for a second,

602
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.559
not one second. What I think is that she was

603
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.799
probably sick from her drug addiction, her lack of access

604
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.280
to heroin, so she's starting to have withdrawals. She's sick

605
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.840
as shit, she's panicked, she's scared because she just saw

606
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.159
her husband murdered. And at this point, she's probably willing

607
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.079
to do anything for his promises that he made her

608
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.840
for survival. But that is not offering that, my friends,

609
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.880
is called duress. That is sexual assault, that is rape.

610
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:33.719
That is not willing. It discussed me that he would

611
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.719
so flippantly give her that backhanded compliment too. It was

612
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.239
pretty good, Like it's like it's almost funny, like she

613
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.239
was expendable because of who she was, and that it's

614
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.199
just cool to brag about in front of other men.

615
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:55.880
That disgusted me. And so he continues on after that

616
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.679
that he offered her four thousand dollars to shut her mouth,

617
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.280
and if she would take the four thousand dollars, he

618
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.159
told her that he would drive her up to Tennessee

619
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:05.239
and he would.

620
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:05.880
Dump her off there.

621
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.559
And then the detective says, okay, well wait a minute,

622
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.039
what changed then? You didn't take her to Tennessee and

623
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.320
dump her off, And he's like, no, that didn't happen.

624
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.519
And his answer was simple. The reason that he didn't

625
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.639
follow through with those promises that he made was the weather.

626
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.280
It was almost Christmas time. Remember it was rainy, it

627
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.679
was sleeting, and it was freezing cold. So he had

628
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.880
taken her and he had stored her in this same

629
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.719
building that he had kept Kayla in. You're starting to

630
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.480
see a trend here. And when he went back in

631
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.920
the building that he was keeping her in, he found

632
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.920
out that one day that he went in there, that

633
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.679
Kayla had destroyed everything that she could get her hands

634
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.360
on inside of that building.

635
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.639
Was she in a rage? Was she freaking out? I

636
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:00.559
don't know. I can't tell you.

637
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.719
It's probably a combination of all of it. But not

638
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.280
only had she destroyed everything, but she had lit the

639
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.280
building on fire, or the things at least in the

640
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:15.480
building on fire. She had thrown Ammo around, She had

641
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.800
made a huge mess of the place, and it just

642
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.239
he goes, these are his exact words, by the way

643
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.400
he goes, it was like she was a caged animal

644
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:31.599
or something. She fucking was she was a caged animal.

645
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.039
She was chained into a shipping container. And he acts

646
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:41.079
like he's surprised it's no wonder she went nuts. Think

647
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:45.559
of everything that she's going through and has been through already. Now,

648
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.159
how did she catch the building on fire. I'm sure

649
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.639
you're curious about that. She smoked, and he had bought

650
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.360
her some cigarettes, I guess to make her chill out,

651
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:56.440
And so he gave her a lighter, and so she

652
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.800
took what he gave her, and she lit the mattress

653
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.280
and all that kind of shit on fire out of

654
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.239
the building. And so when he went in there and

655
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.760
he saw that mess that she had made, he sells

656
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:06.159
the cops.

657
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:06.840
I was over it.

658
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.480
She's acting like a caged animal. I can't make her

659
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.480
act right. And so he walked her outside, got her

660
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:14.440
out the door, and then he put a bullet in

661
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.239
the back of her head.

662
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:18.960
Just like that.

663
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.840
That was the end of her life. Johnny and Meghan

664
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.519
Coxy never vanished. Something happened to them, and it was

665
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:34.079
murder by the hands of Todd coalheab the unknown person

666
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.000
that had been found buried while they were looking for

667
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.599
that body of Charlie was none other than Meghan Coxy,

668
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:46.599
And shortly thereafter police kept digging and they unearthed Johnny's

669
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:51.679
body right after so two bodies were found on the

670
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.760
property and they were not Charlie. They were Megan and

671
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.960
her husband, Johnny. So those bodies had been sent out

672
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.480
for autopsy and the results showed just what Todd had said.

673
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.800
Megan had died of a gunshot wound to the head

674
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.840
and Johnny had died of gunshots to the torso. And

675
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.800
both of those bodies when they were found were clothed,

676
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.320
but it was their dental records and they both had

677
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.800
a lot of tattoos, and those tattoos that they were

678
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:25.280
able to positively identify their bodies by. So detectives had

679
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.199
continued digging and they did also unearth Charlie's body in

680
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:34.519
the same area in a shallow grave. Now, when y'all,

681
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.360
I'm talking about three people dead and buried, and I'm

682
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.440
just like just it's like rolling off my tongue, and

683
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.360
I'm finding it so bizarre because it can't be that simple.

684
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.440
You know, these are three human beings that another human

685
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.880
being murdered and dug a hole and buried them in.

686
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.760
But I'll keep going.

687
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.800
So, when Charlie's body was found, his feet were missing.

688
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.159
The detectives were curious about this and they wanted to

689
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.920
know what happened to Charlie's feet, And Todd was almost

690
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.000
like offended when they said what about his feet? He said,

691
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.280
I didn't do anything of his feet, what are you

692
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.559
talking about? And they said, all right, well, we just

693
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.199
his feet were gone. But they kind of chalked that

694
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.360
up to they think it was animal activity because whenever

695
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.039
Charlie was dumped into the hole, Todd goes into a

696
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:23.599
lot of detail about it. But he dug the hole

697
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.440
out and then he dumped Charlie's body in it, and

698
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.280
the way he just kind of fell in the hole,

699
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.239
he went head first, and when he covered him up,

700
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.639
his feet were close to the surface, and so animals

701
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.679
probably dug it up and ate his feet off. But

702
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.800
while that's happening and they're finding Charlie outside of the

703
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.000
gates of the property, Charlie's family was there. They were

704
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.960
at the scene. Police had not called them to it,

705
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.679
but they had shown up, and whenever they were asked

706
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.280
by the media, they said, why are you out here?

707
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.920
What made you come. It was Charlie's brother Nathan that

708
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.000
was there, and Charlie said, I just felt led to

709
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.159
be here for my brother.

710
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:03.559
And so they.

711
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.960
Stood outside those gates while Charlie was exhumed from the ground,

712
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.719
and Charlie was finally able to be sent home for

713
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:16.639
a proper burial. But imagine being the family knowing that

714
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.239
your deceased brother or your child was dumped in a

715
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.840
hole and animals ate his feet off. It's definitely not

716
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.840
the ending that his family wanted. But at least there

717
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.800
was certainly the relief that his body had been found.

718
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:40.320
Four people had been brutalized by one man with nothing

719
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.440
but evil in his heart. Three were dead and one

720
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.519
lived by the grace of God. But how could anyone

721
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.079
be this cold? How can you be this callous? It's

722
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.599
as strange as it is terrifying to think that that

723
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.480
was just so lati da that he did these things.

724
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.199
You got to hear snippets of him speaking. Think did

725
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.320
that sound like a killer to you? So matter of

726
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.960
fact and calm. He was proud of his skill, of

727
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.559
his his kills. You can tell if you couldn't tell

728
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.880
him that small snippet. Go to my Patreon and keep

729
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.360
listening and watching. You can tell if you listen long enough,

730
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.719
that he is proud of what all he has done.

731
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.639
So the police had now solved the missing person's cases

732
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.079
of four people. It's a good day for law enforcement,

733
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.480
albeit a long one. But I'm not done yet. Because

734
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.320
Todd wasn't done yet either. He piped up and he stated,

735
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.559
you know, the land that I owned was supposed to

736
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.639
be my sanctuary, not my killing ground. So detectives kind

737
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.199
of look at him, like, I can understand that. And

738
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.440
it was late by now. They'd been talking for hours

739
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:03.000
and hours in this case was seemingly wrapping up when

740
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:07.360
Todd very confidently said, we're going to be up late

741
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.360
because I'm about to close a few cases for you.

742
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:14.559
So the detectives look up because this was after his

743
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.119
killing of Johnny and Meghan was known, and he had

744
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.559
just confessed to it, and Charlie's body, y'all had already

745
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.639
been found. Todd already confessed to that. So what did

746
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.360
he mean he's going to close a few cases? He

747
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.039
had already said it all. So was there more these

748
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:32.519
four people?

749
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:32.599
Were?

750
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.800
Is there more than these people? Well?

751
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:41.360
Funny you should ask. Todd then wanted to talk motorcycles

752
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.440
with the detectives. The detectives remained cordial. They were friendly

753
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.280
as anyone would be expected to act when you're trying

754
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.159
to get a serial killer, you know, to give you

755
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.679
all of their information. I don't think it's because they

756
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.400
like him one bit. It's playing the game. So Todd

757
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.760
dives into this story about buying a motorcycle thirteen years ago.

758
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:04.880
He liked the bikes.

759
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.280
He liked motorcycles a lot, and even though he didn't

760
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.400
know how to ride one, he had never been taught

761
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.000
how to even ride one ride one, nor had he learned.

762
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.920
He still got really excited those years ago, and he

763
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.559
bought a motorcycle. But like I said, he couldn't ride it.

764
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.079
So when he bought it, he had to have it

765
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.280
trailered over to his house, which the salesman was happy.

766
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.400
They were happily agreed to do it, and right after

767
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.039
he bought the bike, they trailered it over to his house,

768
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.880
got it off the trailer, shook hands, thank you so

769
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.840
much for your business, and rode away. Well after Todd

770
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.079
bought the bike, he started having a little buyer's remorse,

771
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.239
and he you know, maybe I made a bad decision.

772
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.079
Maybe I should either go traded in for something smaller,

773
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.519
or maybe I want to I should go get the

774
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.000
sail voided out. Altogether, he just felt like he had

775
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.320
messed up. Well, luck would have it, if you want

776
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.079
to call it. Look, but luck would have it that

777
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.639
two or three days later, after he had paid for

778
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:03.360
the bike, it was stolen. Now Todd is pissed that

779
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:08.079
his bike's been stolen, and since the salesman had brought

780
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.480
it to him literally trailered it over to his house

781
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.239
and knewhere he lived, Todd kind of started wandering in

782
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.679
the back of his mind if maybe the business had

783
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.039
stolen the bike back from him, because they knew where

784
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.559
he put it so clearly, you know, they knew, so

785
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.760
it was possible, and this kind of was rolling in

786
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.119
the back of Todd's mind. Well, Todd decided to call

787
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.280
the police, and he made a report about the bike

788
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.079
being stolen. Insurance he had it on the bike though

789
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.320
insurance paid off the bike minus his one thousand dollars deductible,

790
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.840
and then life would go on. It sucks he was

791
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.039
out the thousand bucks, but life would go on and

792
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:42.920
time would pass.

793
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:44.159
Well.

794
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:48.559
A while later, Todd got another hanker in for a motorcycle,

795
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:50.920
so he couldn't shake it. He's like, no, I want

796
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.159
to get a bike this time, and I'll go get

797
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:53.599
something different and I'm going to love it. So he

798
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.400
showed back up at the same dealer, and this dealership

799
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.599
that he would go to, he would drop in and

800
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.400
he would look at motorcycles time to time. He liked

801
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.239
to sit on the bikes. He liked to try him out,

802
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.320
he liked to talk about bikes, and he liked to

803
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:10.199
look around see what they got in that was new. Well,

804
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.880
one of those times that he went in and he

805
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.519
was talking about getting another motorcycle, Todd felt like the

806
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.119
manager mocked him when he made a comment about the

807
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.400
first one being stolen. It was something along the lines of,

808
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.119
all right, man, if you're gonna get another one, you

809
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:27.639
better put a lock on the door. Don't let the

810
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.880
next one get stolen, you know, just kind of joking

811
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:30.840
with him.

812
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:34.719
But Todd got pissed about it.

813
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.679
He felt like he kept going back and he was

814
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.679
gonna get business to these people, and they made fun

815
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.320
of him and it made him angry, but he never

816
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.960
stopped going back to keep checking out the bikes. Now,

817
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.119
while Todd is talking about this motorcycle talk, a light

818
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:59.000
bulb starts going off in the minds of the detectives

819
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.039
because it just so happened that there had been a

820
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:09.119
quadruple murder at a motorcycle shop in the area thirteen

821
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.159
years ago. The case was never solved and no one

822
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.719
had a clue what had happened or why it happened.

823
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.599
No fingerprints, no DNA was ever located, there was no

824
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.360
video there. They found bullet casings on the ground, but

825
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.360
they never could come up with what had happened. So

826
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.360
investigators even had gone so far as to get the

827
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.599
FBI involved to try to build a profile of who

828
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.800
this killer likely could be or what they were like.

829
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.960
The guy they got the profiler's name was John Douglas.

830
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.519
And so if you know anything about I guess the

831
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.800
history of profiling. John Douglas is the man that's often

832
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.679
referred to as the original mind hunter because he built

833
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:56.760
the craft of profiling off of his study of people

834
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:01.440
like Manson and Bundy and others that he had interviewed

835
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.400
that had big names. So this guy comes in and

836
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.159
he looks at everything, and his profile found he was

837
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.880
of the belief that there was no targeted victim in

838
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.800
the in the motorcycle murders at the shop. His profile

839
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.400
was that this was more of a mission that the

840
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.239
killer was hell bent on completing. He also felt like

841
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.960
there was revenge to it in some capacity, but this

842
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.320
revenge was geared towards the whole company, not towards one person.

843
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.920
He also, in his notes had written that robbery was

844
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.239
not the motive because there was a lot of cash

845
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.480
on scene, but it was not touched, neither were other things.

846
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.599
And he also made a note that he said the

847
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:53.519
killer was easily butt, hurt and uptight in some regard.

848
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.320
According to his original notes, which I was looking at

849
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:02.519
the note, the killer was likely a disgruntled customer. He

850
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:06.239
had planned and practiced his gun skills prior to the murder.

851
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.559
He felt like this personality would have followed the investigation closely,

852
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:16.559
almost borderline obsessed with it, and that he may put

853
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.159
himself in the investigation at some point, but he would

854
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.039
come across as a very nice guy and a very

855
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:28.440
helpful guy whenever he did speak to the police. He

856
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:33.000
put that this person, this killer, had snapped or boiled

857
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.800
over in anger when he did it, but afterwards he

858
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.760
immediately calmed down and would go back to acting completely normal.

859
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:47.119
He also said that more than one person would end

860
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.639
up having knowledge about it. This guy would not keep

861
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.880
it to himself. So this was an interesting set of

862
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.239
information from that profile considering what we know about Todd,

863
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.119
isn't it all the things that we kind of know

864
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:05.480
about the way that he works. It's also interesting because Kayla,

865
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:10.519
after her rescue, had mentioned that Todd loved to come

866
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.280
in and bragged to her about what he called his

867
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.639
body count. He would tell her things like, I have

868
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.320
dreams of finally getting a three digit body count, but

869
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.599
currently I'm only in the high two digits. Who says

870
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.159
that they dream of killing in the three digits. He

871
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.840
also mentioned that he was a mass killer. He not

872
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:35.719
only said that he was a serial killer, but he

873
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.400
said that he was a mass killer.

874
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.599
There's a difference.

875
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.199
Serial killers like to kill people in different incidences over time.

876
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:44.760
Mass killers like to kill a whole bunch of people

877
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:48.599
at one time. It was a successful business too. He

878
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.280
also had the pleasure of working with his mama every day,

879
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.760
and he loved his mama. His mama's name was Miss Beverly,

880
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.079
and she was her son's biggest fan too, aside from

881
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:02.400
his wife Melissa, and and she worked. Miss Beverly worked

882
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.000
alongside Scott every day and this made her proud as

883
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.760
punch to run errands and do whatever Scott needed her

884
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.440
to do a little bit about Scott. Scott was a

885
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.639
Christian man through and through, and he believed in Southern

886
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.920
values and was a true Southern gentleman to a tee

887
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:21.519
to the word.

888
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.880
He had so much to look forward.

889
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.679
To in his current life too, because he had just

890
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.119
found out that his wife was six weeks pregnant with

891
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.920
their baby. They had tried a long time for this baby,

892
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.360
and so they were over the moon that their dream

893
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.719
was finally coming true. They were going to get to

894
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:46.599
be parents. He loved to joke and banter with people.

895
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.679
He was very lighthearted. He kept everything fun and the

896
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:57.559
family business that he ran was no different. Lighthearted, fun,

897
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.719
down to earth, just a good guy. His beautiful wife, Melissa,

898
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.519
he actually met at the very business that he started.

899
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.000
So this was literally the American dream that he had

900
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.920
carved out from himself from beginning to end. His whole

901
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.599
life became true, or began really began when he built

902
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.719
this business on the weekends.

903
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.920
He was a church guy.

904
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.000
He was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ

905
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:26.920
of Latter day Saints at Boiling Springs, and the reason

906
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.599
his character was the way that it was was because

907
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.519
he was raised to become a gentleman by his sweet mama.

908
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.880
Miss Beverly believed in those same core values and she

909
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.920
worked at the business as not only doing things whatever

910
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.719
Scott needed, but she was also the bookkeeper and she

911
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.960
also attended that same church as her son. She was

912
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.679
the secretary of the Relief Society. Okay, she was an

913
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.920
older lady, but she was involved in the things that

914
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:57.599
she was passionate about. She was married to the love

915
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.320
of her life and that would be Scott's step bother.

916
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.920
His name was Terry Guy and they were just a

917
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:09.280
precious couple. Scott's friend and employee was named Brian Lucas,

918
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:13.159
and Brian would work as the shop manager for Scott.

919
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:18.159
Now. Brian was twenty nine years old. He was married

920
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:18.519
as well.

921
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.880
His wife's name was Robin and they were the proud

922
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.800
parents of two sons, Aaron and Zach. And just like

923
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.760
his friend, just like Scott, he was a god fearing man.

924
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.199
He attended the first Baptist Church and he was also

925
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.480
very involved as a member of the young adult Sunday

926
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.800
School class. The mechanic at the shop, his name was

927
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.400
Chris Sherbert. He was twenty six years old, and he

928
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.760
was so good at his job. Everyone would attest to that.

929
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:52.599
He lived for motorcycles and working at this shop really

930
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.400
was a dream come true. He was surrounded by good

931
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.519
people and he got to do what he loved. He

932
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.679
was always working on something, always tinkering on everything, and

933
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.760
so it was commonplace if you saw him, he would

934
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.760
have grease under his nails, and he would have grease

935
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:07.079
on his.

936
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:08.480
Clothes because that's what he did.

937
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.840
I jokingly, I have a friend like this, and I

938
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.159
gave him a Christmas ornament one year and it was

939
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:14.960
a monkey and it said grease monkey on it, and

940
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:16.519
I was just so tick avite, I thought that was

941
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.199
so funny. He's a mechanic and so shout out Van

942
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.920
if you're listening. I doubt it, but made me think

943
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.440
of my buddy Van. Now, Chris was a little younger,

944
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.960
but he wasn't married, and he had worked and bounced

945
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.400
around at a few of the shops in the area.

946
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.519
But when he started working for Scott in two thousand

947
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.920
and two, he knew that he had found where he

948
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.880
needed to be. He had found friendship, but he also

949
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.960
had found mentors in both Scott and Brian. Both of

950
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.639
those men took him under their wings and taught him

951
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.360
everything they could daily because they believed in him and

952
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.480
that he was just an asset to this small family business. So,

953
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.679
as you can probably guess based on what I've told you,

954
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.679
this business wasn't one to have a lot of drama

955
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.159
or any drama. Actually no problems. It was a place

956
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.679
where your word is your bond, and sales were done

957
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:09.039
with a handshake and a smile. These were good business people.

958
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.800
So Scott built this dealership, like I told you, from

959
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.639
the ground up, and it was successful from the start.

960
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.760
Now how successful, because I don't want you to think

961
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.280
that I'm just like being sweet and saying it was successful.

962
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:21.000
No, it really was.

963
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.920
Because the Internet was relatively new back when this shop started,

964
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.159
and well as far as marketing, people didn't really use

965
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.880
the Internet for marketing. But Scott was a forward thinker

966
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.079
and so he started using the Internet to market through

967
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.679
and in his first year of business he sold more

968
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:42.159
than a million dollars in sales. We're talking about a

969
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.079
crew that's four or five people at this shop over

970
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.000
a million dollars in sales. Scott was smart and as

971
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.599
he made this money, he didn't go spend it. He

972
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.519
decided to take that profit and further invest put it

973
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.559
back into the business where he would remodel the building

974
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.239
that he was in, and he expanded the garage greatly

975
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.599
so that he could do even more work. And he

976
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:08.960
was taking care of everyone in his family. The sky

977
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.960
was the literal limit. This is exactly what you think

978
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.800
about the American dream. And so this is why it

979
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.679
was absolutely stunning, literally breathtaking when a call came into

980
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.440
the nine one one center by a gentleman and he said,

981
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.320
oh my god, there's dead people all over the building.

982
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.800
So the shop was a place that local bike enthusiasts

983
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:34.159
had built sort of a little community. It was like

984
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.199
their home base of their community. They would all go

985
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.800
out and hang out there and drink coffee and talk bikes.

986
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:40.079
It was just a cool place to be.

987
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.400
And this was true for one of Scott's friends named

988
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.280
Noel Lee. So it was a Thursday morning and he

989
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.000
called up to the shop, talked to Scott and said, hey, man,

990
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.119
do you care if I come by to hang out

991
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:52.719
for a little while, And they're like, sure, man, come home,

992
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:56.880
come hang out to do our thing. Ten minutes after

993
00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:59.519
Noel hung up the phone, he arrived at the shop

994
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:03.840
and he walked in to a scene literally, and I

995
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.760
know we say this all the time, but it literally

996
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.599
was like he walked into a movie set at a

997
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:14.639
horror scene. He thought legitimately that it was a prank

998
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:18.360
when he first walked up. So he walks in the

999
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.440
building and he sees Brian laying on the ground, and

1000
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.079
so he walked up to him and he nudged him

1001
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:24.679
with his foot and he was like, dude, get up,

1002
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.599
quit playing. But when he nudged him, it was dead weight.

1003
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:30.880
When he nudged him with the foot, and then he

1004
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.480
looked and that's when he saw the blood and his

1005
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:34.239
heart dropped.

1006
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.400
Oh my god, Oh my god. Scott. Well, Scott never moved.

1007
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.880
So he goes to run inside to grab the phone,

1008
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.320
and as he's running in, he sees another body. And

1009
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.360
then he keeps running through to get to where the

1010
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.719
phone is and there's another body, and then another body.

1011
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.840
He saw his friend Chris slumped over a bike. It

1012
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.920
looked like he had been working literally like working on

1013
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.559
the bike and then fell over it and died. Everything's

1014
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.599
moving in slow motion, no matter how fast Nool is

1015
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:07.400
trying to move to get his friend's help. It's just

1016
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.599
slow motion because it's so unbelievable what he is seeing.

1017
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:13.679
But he made the phone called a nine one one.

1018
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.719
Police were there within literal minutes, and an exhaustive investigation

1019
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.440
was completed over weeks and months, and while not the goal,

1020
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.920
it would further at some points, it would further open

1021
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.239
up wounds for already victimized people because of the scrutiny

1022
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:36.719
around the investigation.

1023
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:39.920
So I'll let me explain all this.

1024
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.440
So one lead did come in, and that lead was

1025
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.199
that there was a man and woman that were seen

1026
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.840
outside of the dealership around the time of the murders,

1027
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.199
and the man and woman that were named were known

1028
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.800
drug dealers. So this led the detectives to wonder was

1029
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.079
this a robbery gone bad by addicts that were needing

1030
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.360
quick cash or something like that. But it didn't fit

1031
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.400
because no money or valuables were taken. So who's gonna

1032
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.920
go in commit to murdering four people and not steal anything.

1033
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:14.159
It doesn't make sense. So it's commonplace, unfortunately, and it's

1034
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.079
a sad truth, but it's commonplace that when people are murdered,

1035
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.320
they're killed by people closest to them. They're family, they're

1036
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.800
inner circle, so this couldn't be overlooked. It had to

1037
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.599
be investigated. Why would someone want to kill all of

1038
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.960
these people. There was no known drama between any of

1039
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.800
the workers, and there was no known drama between them

1040
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.639
and the community. And when I say none, I mean zero.

1041
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.880
Nobody could come forward with a problem. So this led

1042
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.480
the police to go, Okay, well, did Scott have some

1043
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.599
type of ties to.

1044
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:47.360
The drug world.

1045
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.119
Maybe we don't know about his drug involvement and these druggies,

1046
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.719
and so they're going down that avenue. But this was

1047
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.320
a hard no. But police still went down that avenue

1048
00:58:58.679 --> 00:58:59.920
and that hurt the family.

1049
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:01.280
It really hurt.

1050
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:04.199
Them because Scott didn't do drugs. Scott didn't sell drugs.

1051
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.280
Scott was not a part of anything to do with drugs.

1052
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.679
He was dead and now the family kind of felt like,

1053
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.239
is this victim blaming because he's not a drug addict

1054
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:17.039
and you're over here making these But listen, police have

1055
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:18.119
to do what they have to do to try to

1056
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.360
figure out what's going on. And it hurt the family,

1057
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.840
but I understand why they did it. Of course, they

1058
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.679
would ultimately find out Scott had nothing to do with drugs,

1059
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:31.599
but it still stung the living remains of his family

1060
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:34.800
that this was even questioned. So then police go and

1061
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.639
they look into the spouses in this case. They looked

1062
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.280
at Melissa, which was Scott's widow. They also looked at

1063
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:47.159
Scott's stepdad, which was mister Terry that was Miss Beverly's widow.

1064
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.960
They looked into both of them. It had to be

1065
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.440
ruled out. It hurts, but it had to be ruled out.

1066
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:58.159
So both Melissa and mister Terry were questioned multiple times

1067
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.519
over the following months of the murders. So, Melissa, I

1068
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:06.239
just want you to understand this. Melissa not only lost

1069
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.840
her husband to a brutal murder, but she was pregnant

1070
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.400
when he was murdered. She gave birth alone without him,

1071
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.639
her mother in law's dead, brutally murdered, and now she

1072
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:23.360
remained under suspicion because there were no other leads. In

1073
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.760
one questioning session, she had the baby already and so

1074
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.880
she was changing his diaper and she would later find

1075
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.119
out that the police had sent that diaper to the

1076
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.920
crime lab to test the DNA on the diaper to

1077
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.639
see her DNA. It had to be done. It hurts,

1078
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.880
but it had to be done, but as a result

1079
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.719
of that, a bombshell was dropped. The lab came back

1080
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.159
saying that Scott was not the biological father.

1081
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.639
Of the baby.

1082
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:56.400
Brian was said to be the biological father of the baby.

1083
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:01.320
When Melissa was faced with that information, she scoffed at

1084
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:02.639
it immediately and was like.

1085
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:05.519
What are you talking about? Absolutely not.

1086
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:09.119
She was offended beyond words, adamant that they needed to

1087
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.360
retest it because it was absolutely absurd and how dare

1088
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.400
you say that to me? So in good faith, they

1089
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.000
did just that. The lab sent in DNA again, but

1090
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:25.639
this time the lab tested Miss Beverly's DNA against her

1091
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.400
own son, Scott's, and even crazier, when those results came back,

1092
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.119
they showed that Miss Beverly wasn't the mother of Scott. Okay,

1093
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.519
something's wrong here. If you're not catching on, what in

1094
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.559
the world, how could what is going on? Well, it

1095
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.119
turned out there was actually an answer to this. It

1096
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.199
turned out that when the blood was collected at the

1097
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.280
murder scene, Brian and Scott's DNA got mixed up, so

1098
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.880
when it was all squared away, just as Melissa had

1099
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:58.599
said all along, her beloved husband was the father of

1100
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:01.800
her son and she had never had an affair ever

1101
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.079
with Brian, but for eighteen months that suspicion had been

1102
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.840
lingering in the community and the word had gotten out.

1103
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:13.400
So to be revictimized again like that, that's sad. There's

1104
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.599
no other word for that. That's uncalled for. The wound

1105
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:19.599
that that caused was inadvertent. Okay, again, it was inadvertent,

1106
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:23.480
but it happened, and it still adds to the damage.

1107
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.400
The final lead that they had that they could check

1108
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.719
up on was that a customer that was in the

1109
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:32.840
business right before the murders happened told them that another

1110
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:35.400
man was in there and that his behavior seemed off.

1111
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.880
He said, the guy seemed to know bikes, he liked

1112
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:40.800
to talk a lot about him. Him and the salesmen

1113
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.719
were going back and forth. But they they did a

1114
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.800
whole investigation on that. It led nowhere, and the case

1115
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:51.360
really went cold for thirteen years. But Kayla, now in

1116
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.559
the current time, was alive and when she was still

1117
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:58.880
talking with investigators, she had mentioned that Todd kept bragging

1118
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.639
during her activity that not only was he a serial killer,

1119
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:04.599
but he was a mass murderer. Like I told you,

1120
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:08.400
there's a difference. So when Todd told investigators that he

1121
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.360
was going to close some cases for them that night.

1122
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.320
He wasn't lying. He was more than happy to brag

1123
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:18.320
about his role in a killing spree they never solved.

1124
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.239
And this was the murders of all of the people

1125
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:26.320
at the bike shop all those years ago, from two

1126
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:30.239
thousand and three to twenty fifteen, Todd Coleup didn't do

1127
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.920
any killing, which is interesting because that profile or mention,

1128
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.039
if you remember, that the killer would likely lay low

1129
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.679
until things blew over, which was exactly what Todd did.

1130
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:47.880
Scott Ponder, Beverly Guy, Brian Lucas, and Chris Sherbert had

1131
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.280
all been slaughtered and their deaths were unsolved until now.

1132
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.280
So I want you to listen to Todd. I want

1133
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.280
you to listen to this snippet of Todd bragging to

1134
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:03.000
detectives about how fat he murdered four innocent people.

1135
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:04.000
In cold blood.

1136
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.199
And please pay attention to these three sentences intently that

1137
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.519
I'm about to play for you, and do not forget

1138
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.320
at all that we're talking about a elderly mother, her son,

1139
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:17.119
and two other innocent young men.

1140
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:24.039
I was a day day, Yeah, high clear is no

1141
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.159
under thirty second. People know I clear that you don't

1142
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.119
under thirty secs. You guys would have been proud. I'm

1143
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:33.639
sorry she. Guys would have been proud.

1144
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:37.719
You would have been proud. Did you hear you would

1145
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:41.119
have been proud? What it got me going? I'm like, okay,

1146
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.639
tough guy. You walked into a building full of innocent, unarmed,

1147
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:48.480
unsuspecting people and you shot them, and now you somehow

1148
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.119
think that it would make police officers proud.

1149
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.119
What is wrong with you? They're not proud of that.

1150
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:56.719
If you want to impress me, or you want to

1151
01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:01.360
impress law enforcement, go into a known terrorist and eliminate

1152
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.599
the armed terrorists shooting at you while you clear three floors,

1153
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:07.400
and then take out Ben Laden. That's some real men

1154
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.679
shit right there. That Seal Team six, You, sir, are

1155
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:13.679
of zero comparison. You're nothing but a coward with a

1156
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.960
gun who went up against unarmed people. Some are elderly.

1157
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:18.440
It's sick.

1158
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.079
So what happened and why I want to tell you

1159
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.880
about it? Remember how that profiler had mentioned that the

1160
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.840
killer was likely easily butt hurt, probably a disgruntled customer

1161
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.280
who planned and practiced ahead of time. Well, maybe these

1162
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.360
profilers do actually know what they're talking about because Todd

1163
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.760
had said he felt like Scott had mocked him when

1164
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.639
he went back to purchase that second bike after the

1165
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:42.679
first one was stolen.

1166
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.199
That's what all of this is about.

1167
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:50.360
Todd colhep was butt hurt because they made a joke

1168
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.800
about the second bike he was wanting getting stolen. Don't

1169
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:58.280
let him get stolen. A simple joke had sealed all

1170
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.079
of their death certificates. This from the guy who's sitting

1171
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:05.719
there talking to police, continuously making little jokes towards them,

1172
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:10.960
but he couldn't take a little joke. Todd became disgruntled

1173
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.079
in that moment, just as the profiler had predicted, and

1174
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.920
he started his plan to kill them all. He went

1175
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.119
home and he started enacting his plans for mass murder

1176
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:24.480
to start. He hired a machinist to build him a suppressor,

1177
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:27.760
and Todd told the police this guy knew what it

1178
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:31.280
was for. And what he meant was that the guy

1179
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.039
knew that it was illegal what he was doing. Because

1180
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.920
suppressors are silencers, they're legal in all states but nine

1181
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.760
to own. They were legal to own in South Carolina,

1182
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:44.880
but the intended use Todd had was illegal, and so

1183
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:48.280
that makes it illegal. What was going on. Also, just

1184
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:53.320
to note, only a qualified dealer can sell suppressors, so

1185
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:55.679
the guy that was making it for him was not

1186
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:59.559
a qualified dealer and he does end up getting in

1187
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:04.159
trouble for that later on. Next, he did practice with

1188
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:07.280
the very weapon that he was planning to take with him,

1189
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.840
and he made a game plan. The day of the murder,

1190
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.840
he took that pistol, he put it in a shoulder holster.

1191
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.559
He was at a nearby CVS whenever he did that,

1192
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.079
and then he took himself on down to the bike shop.

1193
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.480
He went in, he sat on some bikes like he

1194
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:24.679
had been doing. Basically though, he was stalling for time,

1195
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:28.440
allowing that customer that was in the building to leave.

1196
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.599
This would have been that same man that gave the

1197
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.119
last tip to police that there was a man in

1198
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.960
the building that was acting kind of off whenever he

1199
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:41.360
was there before he left. And Todd's exact statement is

1200
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.840
when they were like, well, why didn't you kill that customer? Oh,

1201
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.960
collateral damage is not cool. That was his direct quote,

1202
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.400
as if he had some type of conscience or something,

1203
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:56.320
he didn't want to shoot other people only his intended targets. Also,

1204
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.760
the reason he was stalling was because he was waiting

1205
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.760
for one of the guys he wanted to kill and

1206
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:03.880
he realized that that guy wasn't there yet. I'm not

1207
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.079
sure if that was Scott or Brian. He wasn't very clear,

1208
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.400
but it was one of the two. And Todd also

1209
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:12.480
added at that moment that you know, he really could

1210
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.119
be described as a killer with a conscience and a

1211
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.359
kidnapper with morals. After all, y'all, he did buy Megan

1212
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.439
that cart and of cigarettes that I mentioned, and he

1213
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:27.079
did give Kayla fans and lanyards, so he you.

1214
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:28.199
Know, give him a break here.

1215
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.039
He's a good guy as well as not murdering that

1216
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.760
man that was waiting with his young son by the

1217
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:36.920
way in the shop. He waited until they left, so

1218
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.119
you know he has a conscience and all, what a

1219
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.640
guy man, Todd, You're a total true gent for that.

1220
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.640
So he said he was sitting on a black Kawasaki

1221
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.239
Katana six hundred and he says, you know what, guys.

1222
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:49.079
I wanted, I want to buy it.

1223
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:52.000
So they shook hands and they even went to the

1224
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.800
back and got him a free T shirt to thank

1225
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:58.520
him for being a customer there. And Todd was clear

1226
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.359
he wanted the police to know. Look, I didn't keep

1227
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.720
that shirt because I like trophies. I'm not a trophy killer.

1228
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.840
I just kept a shirt because it was free. So

1229
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:08.640
the mechanic, Chris Sherbert, took the bike to the back

1230
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.319
to prepare it, and so Todd sat around for a

1231
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.560
few minutes while that paperwork was getting drawn up and

1232
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.880
being printed and all that, and then he stood up

1233
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.800
and he walked to the back where the mechanics area was,

1234
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.439
and Chris was bent over the bike prepping it. He

1235
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:24.479
was crouched down and he was working diligently to get

1236
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:26.840
that bike ready to be in the best operating condition

1237
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.119
for Todd to take it off the lot. He never

1238
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.880
saw Todd coming. Todd calmly walked up, pulled the baretta

1239
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:37.800
out of the holster, and then pointing it downward at

1240
01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.840
a downward angle, he shot Chris twice in the head,

1241
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.800
and Chris immediately collapsed on the bike, never moving again.

1242
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:49.520
So Todd then continued on his mission. He pushed through

1243
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.479
what he called soft doors. It's basically those heavy plastic

1244
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.079
fabric type doors and shops. He pushed through those and

1245
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.319
he entered into the other part of the building. And

1246
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.439
that's when miss Beverly and Scott had heard the gunshots.

1247
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.760
They came running to see what had happened, and Miss

1248
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:09.359
Beverly came through the door first, and since she was

1249
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.600
the closest, he pointed the gun and he shot that

1250
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.800
old woman two or three times in the chest, and

1251
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.239
then he chuckles when he tells police that and says

1252
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:23.199
it wasn't really my best work. She immediately dropped to

1253
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.119
the ground. Remember, y'all, Todd's not a mean guy. He

1254
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:30.319
told detectives after that that he didn't mean to hit

1255
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.079
the mom because he prefers not.

1256
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:33.239
To shoot women if he can.

1257
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:37.000
So, I mean, I guess Megan that he shot didn't

1258
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.720
count she wasn't a woman, since he has morals and whatnot.

1259
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:42.640
And then he made it clear also, I want you

1260
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:43.880
to know I refuse to shoot a kid.

1261
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.119
He threw that in there too.

1262
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:50.520
So when Miss Beverly dropped hit the deck, Brian and

1263
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:53.960
Scott turned and ran for the door, trying to get

1264
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.159
away from him, and Todd, incredibly, while he's explaining this

1265
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.760
to police, criticizes the way that the two men ran

1266
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:02.800
away from him, as if he's giving some type of

1267
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:07.439
tactical advice or something. It's very condescending, and he acts

1268
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:09.520
like they are just less than because of the way

1269
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.279
they ran away from him. So he continued to shoot

1270
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:14.239
at these two men while they're trying to run out

1271
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.800
of the door. One of them just saw his mother

1272
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.119
executed in front of him. But Todd got one of

1273
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.880
them with a bullet as he was in the doorway,

1274
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:27.600
and that one fell to the floor. Then Todd explained

1275
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:29.479
that he did a tactical reload, because you know, he's

1276
01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.920
acting like some type of military guru at this point

1277
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:34.479
and says, I did a tactical reload, and then I

1278
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:37.239
dropped the second guy before he could get out the door.

1279
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.319
I put two or three rounds in that last guy,

1280
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:40.760
and then he kind of fell out of the door.

1281
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.439
His body ended up in the parking lot. He starts bragging,

1282
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.840
and he chuckles about, man, you should see how fast

1283
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.079
that reload was too, like he's talking about a video game,

1284
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.680
and that these weren't real people having their lives stolen

1285
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:57.520
from them within seconds, and Todd wanted to make sure

1286
01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.520
that they were dead, So even though none of them

1287
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:03.920
were moving, he walks over to them and the victim

1288
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.600
in the doorway he put a bullet in his head

1289
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.880
execution style, and then he walked out into the parking

1290
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.800
lot where the other remaining one was, and that's whenever

1291
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.279
the guy was laid on his back looking up and

1292
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:19.279
he shot him in the forehead. So Todd, now convinced

1293
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.880
he had killed the two men, went back into the building,

1294
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:25.159
he says, to clear it, and as he went through,

1295
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.439
he put a bullet in the remaining two people's forehead

1296
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.479
when he passed them. And when he was happy with

1297
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:35.159
his handiwork, he put his gun on safety because you know,

1298
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.960
he don't want to accidentally shoot somebody or anything. Only

1299
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.800
murder goes unsafe, got in his two door gray ninety

1300
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:49.079
one Acura Legend and he drove home. After coldly giving

1301
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:53.000
these details, he then, after what he has just said

1302
01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:54.479
to these officers.

1303
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.079
He then goes and man, that car was awesome.

1304
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.960
That was a cool old car. Minimizing everything that he had. Basically,

1305
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.159
he just admitted to doing to innocent people. And when

1306
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:06.119
he got home, he took the gun apart. He put

1307
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:09.079
different pieces and trash bags and then he dumped them

1308
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:13.119
out in one of the hunting camp dumpsters. A normal

1309
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.960
person needs time to process all that was just said.

1310
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:21.640
But Todd, unmoved by the gravity of all the death

1311
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:26.960
and the destruction that he just admitted to, then decides

1312
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:31.079
to act as an impromptu professor of murder I guess

1313
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:33.319
I would call it. And he gives a short lesson

1314
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:37.000
to the detectives on why he always wore two pair

1315
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:40.880
of latex gloves at all times when loading the magazines,

1316
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.520
even when he was practicing. So here's Professor Colhep, in

1317
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:47.760
his own words, explaining his glove science.

1318
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:52.159
For you, did you wear one payer you changed to

1319
01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:54.960
had a lame print because the asagine thing in regard

1320
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.840
to that when they touch you still feel that you

1321
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.079
get any chemicals on the outside that when you touched

1322
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.359
first or retouch the cant but print on it, even

1323
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:04.199
though he didn't. You have gloves. If you wear gloves,

1324
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:07.199
coup of the gloves, it calls frishing between the two

1325
01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:08.159
of them in the gatesbem.

1326
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.119
And by the way, now that you've heard that, Todd

1327
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.039
goes on to specify that he prefers five mill surgical

1328
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.319
gloves because the others are just too tight and too

1329
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.239
thick of gloves. When you're doing this type of work,

1330
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:22.800
it is so lain his bravado and his cockiness, and

1331
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.159
he thinks he sounds so fucking cool when he is

1332
01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:27.720
saying this. All of this he shared, by the way,

1333
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.840
to explain to the detectives why they wouldn't find fingerprints

1334
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.399
on any of the casings because of his mastery of

1335
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:38.720
wearing two gloves. His comments throughout the questioning are so

1336
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:43.319
cocky but misplaced. It's like, read the room, dude. But

1337
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:47.880
that profiler did say that the killer would talk. Todd

1338
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.319
wanted to talk and he wanted to tell all and

1339
01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:55.439
it's very revealing whenever he's doing it. At one point,

1340
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.159
because of some of the injuries that were sustained by

1341
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:01.039
one of the victims, detect Tis asked him, Hey, did

1342
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.640
you ever pistol whip any of them? And Todd's response

1343
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.399
he kind of laughs. He's like, look, I may shoot people,

1344
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:11.640
but pistol whipping, that's just not my thing, okay, and

1345
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:14.039
then he reiterates the last thing that he would ever

1346
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:16.760
want to do also is to shoot a child like

1347
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:17.760
he cares.

1348
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.800
But to me, he can go ahead and drop this

1349
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:22.039
moral super.

1350
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:26.680
Dude cape because he acts as if hurting a child

1351
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.720
is beneath him. But he didn't go a second without

1352
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:33.840
worrying about hurting a child by murdering his father. That

1353
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.439
was no problem because a little boy was now thirteen

1354
01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:41.199
years old and he had lived thirteen years without a

1355
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.199
father because of Todd coleheap not to mention Charlie and

1356
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:49.159
Kayla were somebody's children, as were Johnny and Megan, so

1357
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:53.720
he can spare me his supposed morality.

1358
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:53.680
That he's trying to spew out.

1359
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.720
At that moment, I am not impressed nor moved by

1360
01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.680
his negative stance on pistol whipping people or shooting children.

1361
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:04.319
Because it's fake. None of that is real.

1362
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:08.920
Even after his confession to police, he was dissatisfied too,

1363
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.239
and he vocalized this. He was dissatisfied with the media

1364
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:16.560
coverage and the supposed inaccuracies of all of these atrocities

1365
01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:21.720
that he had committed. His body count, he said, wasn't

1366
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.760
even close to accurate according to him. He says it's

1367
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:27.199
considerably more than seven. They need to give him the

1368
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:30.279
credit for that, and he also wants them to know, look,

1369
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:32.880
the only reason I got caught was because I didn't

1370
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:36.199
plan on killing Charlie, so I didn't have any intentions

1371
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.680
on keeping Kayla and that's what threw my game off.

1372
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:43.039
I just wasn't prepared. He also was crystal clear, Look,

1373
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.680
I didn't rape any of these women that I kept captive,

1374
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.039
but he didn't say that, claiming he didn't have sex

1375
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.199
with them. Listen to this. He says, I didn't rape

1376
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:56.640
any of those women, okay. He went as far as

1377
01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:02.119
to say that Kayla wanted the sex from him. Well,

1378
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.199
it sure doesn't seem like it, okay, because this seems

1379
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:07.520
more like when he took that fourteen year old girl

1380
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:11.840
at gunpoint and raped her when she didn't want him. Remember,

1381
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.720
she didn't want him, and that's why he raped her

1382
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.560
and then he let her go. Well, this time, it

1383
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:19.960
sure seems to me like that's the same concept. But

1384
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:22.039
this time no one's going to be walking home and

1385
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:25.399
telling on him. They would do whatever he wanted. He

1386
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.199
could pretend it was mutual, and then if they didn't comply,

1387
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:31.800
he would just kill them. So as far as remorse

1388
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:34.640
for what he has done, he was never sorry for

1389
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.439
the killings. He says that directly, I have no remorse

1390
01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:39.720
for the killings that I did. And there was one

1391
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:44.840
final proclamation that echoed in my mind after he said it.

1392
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.039
It is so callous and it is so cold. He

1393
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:48.039
chipped at the police.

1394
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.359
He looked at them and said, look, guys, my golf

1395
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.520
game is weak, but my kill game it's strong. That

1396
01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:57.600
is so not impressive. It did not hit the way

1397
01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:00.479
I think he thought that that would hit. Police aren't

1398
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:02.520
out there being killing machines for the fun of it.

1399
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.000
Police are pulling guns because they're trying to save their

1400
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.960
own lives, not because they want to take somebody else's.

1401
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:09.079
And there's a big difference.

1402
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:11.880
So I want to ask you real quick, do you

1403
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.479
wonder about the parents of people like Todd colehep, Because

1404
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:17.199
I do. And I'm not saying that I think the

1405
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:19.720
parents are to blame necessarily, but I would be lying

1406
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.479
if I said it didn't cross my mind. So I

1407
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:25.600
did do some research on this, and my feeling is

1408
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.239
that Todd's mom was a victim in all of this

1409
01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:32.319
as well. So when she was asked how could any

1410
01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.960
of this have happened? I have her response recorded, and

1411
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:37.720
I'm gonna let you listen in her own words of

1412
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.439
how she says she thinks that this could have possibly

1413
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:41.039
gone this way.

1414
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.159
I took him everywhere I knew to take him. God

1415
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:51.159
my heart absolutely goes after those people, and I feel

1416
01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:52.159
so shame.

1417
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:56.800
I feel, oh, it's shame.

1418
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:03.239
That my son hurt them.

1419
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:09.079
My heart for people doesn't stop because they are related

1420
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.840
to a monster. The shame and the sadness that she

1421
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.880
feels to me is so genuine, and I wanted to

1422
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.039
be sure to share her in that light so I

1423
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.000
can be fully transparent in that this affected a lot

1424
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:22.600
of people on both sides of the coin.

1425
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.399
The Spartanburg sheriff.

1426
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.840
His name is Chuck Wright, he knew too that Todd's

1427
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:32.239
mom could help them, even if it was at the

1428
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:36.039
expense of her own son. She did play a role

1429
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.800
in this because Todd said, if I can talk to

1430
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:42.039
my mom, then maybe we can work something out, and

1431
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.159
the sheriff did let Todd talk to his mom, and

1432
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.920
granting this is why Todd was willing to confess to

1433
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:53.119
everything that he did. I think that Todd's mom does

1434
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:55.640
deserve a pat on the back as far as that

1435
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.840
is concerned, because the confessions that she was a part

1436
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.880
of that he gave closed a lot of cases for

1437
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.039
families who didn't know what happened and may have gone

1438
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.359
to their grave never knowing if it weren't for everything.

1439
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:10.359
Laying out the way that it did.

1440
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:16.239
And Miss Beverly's husband, Scott's stepdad, was interviewed after Todd

1441
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.239
was announced as the confessed killer of his wife and

1442
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.960
his stepson, and I want to put this out there

1443
01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.960
to display to you the caliber of people that these

1444
01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:28.359
victims and their families are.

1445
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:32.239
I want you to know that if they are any.

1446
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:36.279
Reflection on the people that were lost, that we lost

1447
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:39.640
some good people. Because mister God, he's a soft spoken man,

1448
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.319
and when he was asked, who do you think is

1449
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.600
the suspect, he continued for years to say, everybody but me.

1450
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:47.760
It's everybody but me.

1451
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:50.880
And he even reflected to the media back on a

1452
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:53.560
time when someone called him to talk about the case

1453
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.399
concerning his son and his ex wife, and he said

1454
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:02.119
that hit me in the heart directly because he replied

1455
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:07.079
to that person, Beverly is not my ex wife. Beverly

1456
01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:10.079
is my former wife. I did not get rid of her.

1457
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:12.880
I would have never gotten rid of her. She was

1458
01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:16.079
stolen from me. And it really made me think about

1459
01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:19.039
my words when I talk to people about this type

1460
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.399
of stuff because it's not his ex wife, and he's right,

1461
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.600
she was stolen from him, and mister Guy also acknowledged

1462
01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:30.760
while Todd had no remorse for killing his family members,

1463
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:34.359
and while the blood that was shed that day had

1464
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.520
long dried on the concrete, that he said, you know,

1465
01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:39.880
I do feel that they can rest now in peace.

1466
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:41.760
But he said another thing.

1467
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:45.640
He said, I'm gonna pray for Tod, the man that

1468
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:49.039
stole his whole world from him. He said, I'm going

1469
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:50.439
to pray for him.

1470
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:51.760
And the only thing.

1471
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.439
That I ask from Todd in return from everything that

1472
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.600
he stole from me is that Todd would accept Christ

1473
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:02.960
and accept eternity with God. That's all he wanted. And

1474
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:07.880
that's better than me, mister Guy, in no way one

1475
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.359
He lost a lot, But he still also expressed that

1476
01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:16.920
he felt sympathy for Todd's family and everything they had

1477
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.319
been through, including his mother, and he knew that they

1478
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.680
had nothing to do with the tragedy, and he said

1479
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:24.560
that I not only will pray for them, I would

1480
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:26.960
be happy to pray with them if they feel so.

1481
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:27.359
Led.

1482
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:30.279
I was so impressed by this, and like I said,

1483
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.880
if he's any example of his family and the people

1484
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.279
that were lost in this tragedy, the world suffered on

1485
01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:41.399
this one Todd Colehep was charged with a total of

1486
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:47.439
fourteen charges. This included seven counts of murder, multiple weapons charges, kidnapping,

1487
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:51.439
as well as sexual assault. Todd Colehep was forty six

1488
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.079
years old when the judge handed down a sentence of

1489
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:59.039
seven consecutive life sentences plus sixty years. And I know

1490
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:02.000
right now someone's going and why wasn't he given the

1491
01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:06.399
death penalty? Are you kidding me? Well, the answer is, actually,

1492
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:08.399
I have it for you. It's very simple. It's out

1493
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:11.479
of respect for his victims and their families. They did

1494
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:13.399
not want to go through a long drawn out trial

1495
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:17.000
about this, so they offered a plea deal. If Todd

1496
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:21.680
would plead guilty in exchange for life without the possibility

1497
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.439
of parole, and if he would waive all of his

1498
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.359
appeal options, they would put it on the table and

1499
01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:32.520
Todd Colhep took the deal. So this certainly closed the

1500
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.279
book on any possibility of the public being harmed physically

1501
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:38.760
by Todd in the future. But he did continue to

1502
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:42.800
terrorize from behind bars because in prison, he decided that

1503
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.439
he wanted to have a biography written about his life,

1504
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:47.479
and he contacted an old friend of.

1505
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:48.960
His to do it. For him.

1506
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:52.239
Now, the best friend was hesitant, but his curiosity also

1507
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:55.000
got the best of him, and he did end up

1508
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:58.119
helping to write this book. It's published, by the way,

1509
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:01.800
so if you want to invest your thirteen hard earned

1510
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:05.800
dollars to learn what he says all about his life

1511
01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.760
that's so important, you can find.

1512
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:08.439
That on Amazon.

1513
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.520
The title you ask, which, by the way, I'm not

1514
01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:12.199
promoting it, and I wish you would not go do this,

1515
01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:17.720
but the title, how did he title it? A devil reflex? Real,

1516
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.319
real charming Todd a douvil reflex. And while you're there,

1517
01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:23.119
by the way, you can also go look because he

1518
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:26.000
left reviews for the purchase he made of one of

1519
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.680
the shovels on his property, and the review he wrote

1520
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:35.359
good for burying bodies. That was his Amazon review, So

1521
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:39.399
the profiler nailed it all those years ago. It was

1522
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:44.279
playful banter about a bike being stolen that left Todd

1523
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.199
feeling like he was made fun of. And it just

1524
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:51.680
goes to show you how socially inept Todd colheb was

1525
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:55.600
and continues to be. How are you gonna be a

1526
01:24:55.640 --> 01:25:01.159
thin skinned murderer dude being a sissy and also having

1527
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:05.239
a power complex it's just not a good look. So,

1528
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:08.840
as evidenced by the Plea deal, Todd wasn't afraid to kill,

1529
01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:11.720
but he was a bitch when it came to being

1530
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:16.239
killed himself. After all of the trauma and all of

1531
01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:20.000
the pain that he caused so many people, and all

1532
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:22.800
of the lives that he stole, the fact that he

1533
01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:26.039
gets to live out his life is disgusting. So you

1534
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.439
can call me mean, you can call me vengeful, or

1535
01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:30.800
whatever you want, but Todd colehap should have been wiped

1536
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.000
from the face of this planet a long time ago,

1537
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:35.800
no questions asked. But I'm not in charge, which Todd

1538
01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.039
should be very happy about because I was raised a

1539
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:39.600
flush shit not to play with it.