SERIAL MURDERER: Todd Kohlhepp | Part 2

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts. Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

0:51 Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. What's going on with you? How the hell are you doing? And this is going to be the part two of that Todd colehep episode that you should have already heard part one. If you haven't, stop what you're doing, go listen to part one so that part two will make complete sense. And I worked my ass off for you on this episode. I'm talking Hella hours put in because there's so much that was not covered in the media about this case, and I want you to know all of it so you can take all of the information and apply it to what you think you know. So that we can have the full story when it's all said and done. So we left off last episode with finding out that Kayla had been missing for sixty five days and that not only was she alive, but she was talking and she had a lot to say that she could uncover for detectives that were looking into her disappearance as well as Charlie's Todd colehep had taken her, chained her up by the neck and that and her ankles and that shipping container, and he was keeping her as a sex slave and really an unwilling confidant that he would disclose everything he wanted to to her. And she had nowhere to be, or she had places to be, I guess, but she had no way to get there.

2:07 She was stuck and so she had to listen. So she did. And something I'd like to say too. Is whenever people armchair quarterback the survival of a victim, to me, that's totally the wrong thing to do. And the reason we know that what she did was the right thing to do is because she survived. So if there's any victims out there, maybe not on this level necessarily, but if there's any victims out there that you know, people question what they did or why they did what they did. If you're alive today, then you did the right thing. It doesn't matter what you did. Everything you did was right because you're alive today. You made it through whatever you were suffering through. And so kudos to you, and kudos to Kayla because whatever she did, it worked and she's alive to talk. So also, police were looking for the body of Kayla's boyfriend, Charlie, and then they unearthed another body, but it was not Charlie. Todd had claimed to Kayla that he was a serial killer, but she really just thought he was puffing his chest and being macho or something like that. But this was kind of lending itself to say, whoa wait a minute, we got an extra body here. What's going on? And something that I was curious about, and maybe some of you were as well, was how the hell is a violent, convicted sex offender able to be a realtor? Because remember, when he was a teenager, he held that girl at gunpoint and raped her. How did he ever get to

3:37 be a realtor and be in people's homes in the first place. Someone who works in a job that opens the public up to inherently trusting them should not have such a conviction. I would think if you're going to be selling homes and be in and out of homes with people and going places with people and showing them homes, it doesn't seem to me like that would fit the bill. You're a convicted sex offender, do you remember if you've been a listener for a long time, you may, if not, go back, But do you remember the Justin Bloxham case that I did. Taxi drivers now cannot be sex offenders as a result of that case, because they realized, you know, there's certain jobs that certain types of offenders don't need to be in. They don't need to be driving people around.

4:24 Sex offenders cannot operate a bus, they can't drive a taxi cab, they can't drive a limo for hire. They're also not allowed to operate carnival rides. Hell carnies are kind of scary to be in with. Now you had sex offender to that element and sounds kind of that's a lot. So another thing listed, and I'm looking. I was looking at Louisiana law just to verify what I'm talking about here, but I'm sure this extends state to state, but no door to door sales are allowed, which I'm I'm assuming includes selling the whole damn house attached to the door. Wouldn't you think they don't want you going door to door? Do you want them selling you the whole down door with house and going in it? Because I don't showing people's homes. You never really think about these things when you hire people to sell your house, do you. I necessarily wouldn't. That wouldn't cross my mind.

5:14 Who are you showing every inch. Of your house? To think about it? Who are you just handing over a key to and giving. Full access, possibly while you're at work, and they put one of those lock boxes on the front door, and they have access to your home while you're away. And they're supposed to be showing it to people. It's just food for thought, because we're in a world where anything is possible, and at this point we should just assume it is. You know, these cases show us more and more what people are capable of. Well, Todd did have to acknowledge his felony convictions with his application before the Real Estate Commission. He did acknowledge it, and he also had filed a two page summary explaining his conviction with his original application, Here's the thing. People who do the right thing expect others to do right and to do the right thing. And in this case, because you have to explain it away, the board expected him, since he acknowledged it, to explain truthfully the situation and why he had that conviction. But Todd's letter to the Commission about his nineteen eighty six offense was that he told them he had been arguing with his girlfriend. They were both fifteen years old, and he called her his girlfriend.

6:33 I hope you remember that was not his girlfriend. I was a neighbor. He said. We were fighting after we broke up, and then I had to go out and chase down my dog that got loose, and when I got home, the police came by because they couldn't reach my girlfriend. The family was looking for her, and he said I ended up getting arrested and charged with the kidnapping because I had a gun on me when we were arguing, and I told her not to move while we were arguing. And the only reason he said that he had a gun was because he was concerned about the crime in the area where he lived. He was concerned about the crime he was fifteen years old and concerned, and he had to have a gun on him. Basically, his argument was that hey, I was young and dumb, and it really isn't what it seems like. It sounds like, Well, all I can tell you is that this is a real estate board, not a parole board, because I'm going to assume that their strengths weren't in were not in reading criminal behavior or checking further into the claims, because three weeks after Todd's letter was submitted, he was granted his license even as a registered sex offender. And I'll post the letter that Todd wrote on my Patreon for you in its entirety, if you want to go look at it. I will say that rules have changed since he was licensed, and so they do require background checks, but that wasn't until May of twenty fifteen. Based on everything that I was looking at, different states may have had different dates, but.

8:02 That's what I found. That said, then my wheels really got spinning, and I'm like, well, wait a minute, what if someone becomes a sex offender after they're licensed, then the background check was pointless If you get it after your license, a charge and you get convicted. So again It's just something about the what ifs and things that I'm bringing up just to think about. Obviously, that's not something that we need to harp on every single day of our lives, but I think it is important to anyone that may be in real estate or at a commission that maybe that should be something scrutinized and looked at. And if I don't know what I'm talking about, maybe y'all do have something implemented wherever you work. Fantastic, But this is just kind of an overview of what I found in my research. So while he may have become licensed, it wasn't without pushback in the years to come.

8:50 So Todd openly shared that he was a realtor online, but he also openly said whatever the hell he wanted to online, which included threats towards people. Throughout the years, he would put obscene posts online and look, America, you do you, but you know we as a people, whatever discipline you take on as a profession, you have a job to uphold the standard of what that should look like. Sure, teachers could be out there posting obscene things and dirty comments and post chug and doing keg stands and all that but even though it's on your free time, it really doesn't look good as an educator.

9:30 Kind of makes you look not quite up to par. With what with the type of person you would expect to be in front of a kid teaching them things may not be true. Maybe you can compartmentalize in classroom outside of it, but it still doesn't look good. And the same thing went for real estate and for realtors out there. And in two thousand and nine a complainant was quoted. He filed a complaint and he was quoted as saying, quote, something must be done to stop this crazy man before something dreadful happens. End quote If that is not prophetic, I was like, wow, now, why did this person write that. This was in reference to a Facebook complaint which included screenshots, so it wasn't just hearsay.

10:14 It included screenshots of Todd coleheb posting about sex, getting revenge on people, and guns. Now, look, I'm all about Second Amendment, do your thing. I think that these gun posts were more along the enticement side of using a gun or more like overly threatening or or calling for a war against other people and things of that nature. To be specific, though in one instance, Todd had taken one of those personality quizzes that they have all the time, like you know what flower are you? Or what does your zodiac sign say about you? But he took one that was about his personality and it found that the results were he would be considered a quote reaper because and the understanding underneath that It explained you would be a reaper because you likely take a fatal approach to problems.

11:09 Whatever. Okay, it's just a quiz, it's fake. But it was his comment on it that someone felt cross the line because it said I was the reaper because I take a fatal approach on things. And then he added quote that part's true, I do take payback a little too far, easy solution, don't piss me off. So behavior unbecoming at minimum certainly okay, scary to people that felt like maybe those threats and those comments may have targeted them. Sure, But the complaint was formally filed with the Real Estate Commission, who oversees the licensing, and the filer noted direct quote, if this is how excuse me?

11:53 Is this how we want our profession represented? And I think the person makes a pretty good point. Another complaint was also filed. There were multiple complaints filed against him after his licensure, and the complaint was made because Todd online was calling for war and destruction and he was writing he wanted this because he quote basically. Hates the human species end quote. That's weird. If your job is to be out in the public, be a people person, and be selling real estate, but you hate the human species, what the hell does that mean. He was also really outlandish at times, posting things to potential home buyers. He would say things like, there was one complaint. The woman's name is redacted. I'm assuming it was another realtor, and it's just because of the context of what I read, but I can't.

12:49 I can't confirm that. But what was said was in the complaint that he was saying, basically, this woman would wash your car in a yellow bikini just to get a sale. So it sounds like it was another female realtor and he was basically calling her a slut. So when it was all said and done, the truth was that none of the complaints, not one of the complaints filed against Todd with the Real Estate Commission were investigated because while his words were distasteful for sure. No real estate laws were violated, and their job was not to oversee morality. Their job wasn't to, you know, to legislate, I guess your personal beliefs. It was real estate law. So it all just went away, luckily, I guess though. After his November third arrest for Kayla's kidnapping, that's when the Real Estate Commission said, we're gonna go ahead and provoke your license or at least suspend it at that point. So while Kayla was now safe in the hospital, she was starting her recovery both physically and emotionally, because as anyone with any understanding of abuse or sex abuse included, would know that it's not just the physical wounds that you have to recover from. There are deep emotional wounds when these things are done to you. So while all of this was going on and it was fresh, Todd was behind bars and investigators were now preparing to investigate or talk to him and interrogate him. So, while

14:23 this case was breaking wide open, and it was a huge breakthrough what we had found out so far, there were still other cases that hadn't been solved that were local but were very similar in nature as well, so finding Kayla alive was a miracle and it boosted morale in that anything is possible on any given day, and we don't want to ever. Give up hope. It really, you know, pushed that through that we don't give up hope, even when it looked slim. Please don't ever give up hope. There were other missing people out there still, and maybe we can find them alive too. It's proof that it. Happens, and it can happen. People like twenty nine year old Johnny and twenty five year old Megan Coxy. They were a married couple and they had been missing much longer than Kayla. But they were missing too, and they were local to that area. There was no word from these two for over a year, since about December of twenty fifteen, if you want to be completely specific. Like I said, they were local, and their disappearance was a little bit different though, and it was under a little bit of different situation. So a little bit of background on them. Megan and Johnny had gotten married in twenty twelve, February fourteenth of twenty twelve, and they loved one another.

15:43 There's no doubt about this, But I would be lying to you if I didn't point out that they weren't without serious struggles. And I don't mean this in terms of their marriage and love. I just look ride myself on being as honest as I can, and sometimes, to be frank with you, that requires sharing less than positive information about people. But I want you to understand that what I'm sharing right now is not from a condescending point of view. It's from a place of compassion, and I think you'll understand when I explain. But Meghan and Johnny were not doing well in life. Meghan's mom was the one that reported them missing to begin with, and this would result in arrest warrants being issued for both Meghan and Johnny. And you're like, well, wait a minute, if they're missing, why would you have an arrest warrant put out for them. That's because Meghan and Johnny were heroin users and they were not winning the battle. They were trying to do their best. But anyone who knows an addict, has been an addict, or currently loves an addict, will understand that this is a day to day battle you fight every day of your life, and they just were not winning. I think the recovery rate from heroin is like two percent ninety eight percent of the time.

17:05 People don't win. They had a child together, and records showed that Megan was still in the throes of active addiction when she was pregnant with this child. She used heroin admittedly for the first six months of her pregnancy, and then after the child was born, Megan was not getting any better, and so she had been charged with child neglect as well as the baby allegedly tested positive for heroin roughly a month before they disappeared. So this is not a good situation at all. Now, the baby, thank god, was not missing, and social services had formally removed the child for Megan and Johnny's care. Now, another report I read did not say that the baby tested positive for heroin.

18:01 It said that Megan tested positive for heroin, and that's why the baby was taken away. Whichever one it is, I'm not a thousand percent sure, or I wasn't until I get a little bit further in the story. But right now, let's just say heroin was involved and the child was taken away, and that's why the child was in the care of other people, and Meghan and Johnny were missing. Now, keeping employment and making money is obviously a problem whenever you're actively addicted to heroin. I did see at one point that the couple had bred their dog, but that wasn't a money making goal. I don't think. Maybe it was an accidental pregnancy or something, or maybe they did want to sell the puppies, but that's not going to be a long term way to support yourself.

18:48 It was Christmas time when the couple was last heard from, and they were actively out trying to make cash, and that was verified by multiple people. Tell you how poor the couple was. They were panhandling together to make money at one point right before their disappearance. Were they poor likely due to poor life choices? One hundred percent? Probably true, But that doesn't mean that you should go missing and unnoticed just because they are addicts and making poor decisions. Does not say well, you don't matter, because they do and where did they go? So, while I don't and I'm really going to stand on this, While I don't think any law enforcement department purposefully just dismisses looking for people, I do know for a fact that people like addicts and prostitutes and the homeless, they pose a very significant problem when they go missing because oftentimes these people will go days or weeks without even contacting people that they love or people that love them. These people are often in and out of jail, so they lose contact again with not only loved ones, but friends and people are kind of used to them coming in and out of their lives. And quite frankly, if you've ever dealt with addiction as someone who's not actually in the throes of it, but you've loved an addict, you know that at some point it just gets exhausting fighting the battle to try to save somebody when they can't

20:19 save themselves. And I know that hurts to say, but it's true. These addicts don't often have a fixed schedule. There's little to no responsibilities that would make their disappearance a huge red flag immediately. And it's very uncomfortable to say this, but these pointers I'm pointing out to you because this as in a lot of cases, people think that the police just disregard them. It's not necessarily that. It's just that it's very hard to find these people because there's no like, you know, every day, someone comes home after work at this time and they pick up their kids, and then they always go to church at this time. There's no finite time frame or place that they should be, and it makes it very hard to find them. And this is that what the police did find out and knows fact about Meghan and Johnny. Meghan did have a job at some point in the months prior to her arrest, because she was working at a waffle house, which they were able to confirm. She worked as a waitress, and Meghan was a likable girl. She had regulars that would come in, she knew their orders, and she even had some regulars that took a liking to her and like would call her their girl and they would give her big tips. She was the one that they wanted to sit with. Everybody knew when they came in. Oh uh, Meghan's Meghan's his girl, let her take care of him. And there was one guy, however, that seemed to always be trying to get Meghan to come home with him. Maybe she thought that because maybe

21:49 he thought because she was so nice and what at friendly, that maybe she was hitting on him or something, But that wasn't the case. She loved her Johnny, Okay, she was married to him, but that one guy specifically creeped out the waitresses so much that after a little while there was an unspoken agreement that whenever this one customer would come in, there was a male cook who would go and take his order so that the girls weren't so creeped out by him. That was something the police did find out, so that was something that they looked into. But other than that strange patron of the waffle house, there were no major leads out there. And the other known was that both of the Coxies had spent their last known days in jail, so they were on the roster and they had been incarcerated. Megan had contacted her mama and asked her mama to make her bond so that she could get out, and if her mama would make the bond, Megan did have a legit job lined up and she could pay her back, so at some point once they both got out of jail, neither of the Coxies were ever heard from ever again. But as I always preach, and I will continue to preach until the end of time, people don't vanish.

23:03 It actually bothers me. It irks me when people go they've vanished. People don't vanish. Something happens to each and every one of them. So while this case wasn't looking very good in terms of solving it, at least hope could remain because Kayla had been found and she was alive. So back at the jail, Todd COLHEP was chomping at the bit to talk to detectives and they were ready to listen because this is what we live for. We want to solve these cases. So to start, something I want to tell you about Todd is that he is very approachable and he speaks with manners. Okay, it's strange, isn't it. Yes, ma'am and no, ma'am are no problem for him. It rolls off his tongue like clockwork. He is very respectful and his way of speaking is almost professional in some way. He's not stupid.

24:00 He's not some you know, dumb ass roam in the streets. He does have intelligence and it makes you wonder. It should make your wheels kind of turn, like, what do you think a rapist or a killer? Sounds like? Really, think about what I'm asking you. Could you pick one out? Could you pick one out just by talking to them? Because usually you're led to think that they would be rude or uncouth, but the reality is that these types of personalities can be very charming, and usually are. They're very unassuming people like them. And this is Todd I could see. I'm telling you, I've watched a lot of interrogation on this guy. I could see how he could lower your guard because he's just so average. Nothing about him stands out. He doesn't waste his time either. When they start this interrogation, he does not waste a second trying to lie about his involvement.

24:59 Nope, he is direct. He speaks with this cadence of almost like a doctor dictating his casework to a recorder or something. And also, I'll tell you this. I'll post the videos of his full interrogation, but be prepared because it is beyond frustrating how the detectives interview this dude. They ask him at the very beginning, hey, do you want to write out your statement or do you want me to write it for you? And Todd kind of laughs and goes, bro, this is why type I don't want to write anything. You can write it for me. And painstakingly, this detective the entire time is writing the statement and he's slowing him down. He's like, hold on a second, while he's writing it, and he's writing damn near every single word word for word what Todd col hep is saying. And it drove me mad listening to it like it's being recorded, dude, there's cameras and audio. Why are you doing it this way? Let the man talk? Because interrogation, if you don't know shit about policing, interrogation's one oh one would tell you never stop a talking suspect. You never stop them or interrupt them.

26:09 Let them word vomit, let him talk it out. But this, ugh, this detective stops him over and over and over again, and it's painful to watch, and it's even more cringe to listen to. So you're welcome because I did it for you. But I will post it if you want to go check it out. So Todd starts out, seated at the table. He's dressed in his prison orange or his jail orange jumpsuit. He's shackled at the ankles, and these two detectives, they're casually dressed, start talking with him. So there's three of the guys in the room, and Todd's body language was interesting to me. He's sitting at the table and he's. Got both elbows on the table and his chin is resting on his fists, just looking at the detectives in front of him, like waiting for what's about to happen.

26:55 And the detective accidentally misspells his name when he's trying to write at the very beginning, and Todd even kind of chuckles, and he goes, man, when I'm drinking, I misspell my own name sometimes, haha. It's very casual, it's common, it's lighthearted, and it's actually funny unless you know what's already happened. It's like, you know, just your average little laugh about the weather. And then as they go on, the detective says, okay, man, what's your address? And Todd jokes again. Well, he says, I want to be as smart ass and I'll give the jails address, and they all kind of chuckle at it. He chuckles at his own humor. So, aside from what we know to this point, I want you to I want to just be honest that he's very friendly. He's like jovial, and it's very disarming if you did not know what we already know. So Todd begins talking about a woman that he met and he says that he's been talking to this woman off and on.

27:52 For a few days. He had met her a while back. He said that they had exchanged numbers, and he met up with her again a few days later after they had exchanged numbers, and he thought that the reason he was meeting up with this woman was that she was more like hitting on him and that's why they were meeting up. But it turns out that was not the case whenever she got there, when he realized that this was not a love connection or a hookup, which also first episode, I told you he was single. When I said single, I meant not married, because Todd mind blowing had a girlfriend throughout all of this impressive. But he met up with this woman anyway, so I guess he's not faithful.

28:33 We learned that. And when he realizes this is not going to be a love connection, he offers her a job instead and says, would you like to come do some work for me? She says sure, and he says, look, you can bring along someone to work with you as. Well if you want to. The Next day, though, whenever Todd opened up his newspaper, he saw a mug shot of that woman he had met with, and that he was exchanged numbers with in the newspaper, and he read that she had been arrested for drugs and so the courts had picked her up or whatever, and she had been arrested. Well, Todd would then meet up with her later on at like days later or whatever after that. And so when they met up, he says, man, your mugshot was in the paper, what's that all about? And she said, Oh, I have a drug problem, but I'm trying to work through it, and I got arrested for that. So Todd said, look, and he's talking to these detectives like I'm talking to you.

29:25 But he says, look, I wanted to still give her a chance to work, because shit happens. Life's hard, you know. I'm saying, we got to give people a break. And he goes and he picks up this woman and a man that was with her a few days later after that for work. He drove him up to his property and when they got there, they got out of the car, and that's when he said that the man then pulled a knife out on him and attacked him. So why would this man that he's given a job to and this woman, why would they pull out a knife and just come after you, Todd, and he explained, he said, Look, I think it was there intention all along to target me. He said, because I have a lot of money, actually said, a shitload of money. And I drive a nice car, really expensive car, nothing that they would have. So I think they targeted me because they thought that I would be a easy robbery. Now now that you know all that, you can listen to Todd Colheb explain the unsolved disappearance of Meghan and Johnny Coxy in his own words.

30:28 And I fixed the club and I drove him to Milana the kids supplies and got down to my building and that's when Johnny Pooley a knife out and you shot. I shot. What did you do with his life? Oh no, I don't keep that gone correct, and just threw it out. Yeah. Time, What does she do when you shot Johnny? What did she do when Johnny pulled the knife out? What did you say? Nothing? So you think she was playing on the fighting of us. I think she entirely. There was There was no oh shit, Johnny, what are you doing? There was none of that. This was her actions were she knew he was doing that. They saw a guy who had a ship, a lot of money, hard again forward.

31:19 They didn't even have a car, and they were gonna get something. Okay, So then you shot him how many times? Shot him twice in the chest, he dropped forward, and he dropped forward. I went around him and put another one through a spinal coll okay, and you shot her not exactly put him there, sat up for a couple of days for she just go ahead mostly just looked through the whole long. Uh left her alone. I didn't know what he'll do with her. And then she kept burning ship. I come in and also find that she burnt her blanket when she burnt this. She's sitting next to one hundred thousand miles. Amo, look, we've got please stop burning shit. Yet that thing goes off. Do you know what? Do you know what that was? Due to a neighborhood or an area that's my other neighborhood, It wouldn't be yeah, holy shit, Yeah, please do not catch the building on fire. She kept trying to get ship on fire and then go I'm smoking. I've opened the door and then'm gonna cloud with the mountain. It's like little cartoons looking back getting her cigarettes. That's why I mass mistake, had her there, let her alone to ground the other building, sat her down for a while, got her to calm down, just please calm down, got her

32:53 some food, told her basically that if she was just chill the hell out, you don't know me. You don't know very much about me. You don't have shit. And last time I could check from what was online, she had a work when looking for her ass I'll give you you look, four thousand dollars. I'll drive you up to Tennessee. I'll drop the asshole somewhere. If you got any common sense on this planet. He'll go left and I'm the right. And when she's it, Oh, she got so excited. I got my tick sucked. Uh she did, yeah, because it wasn't bad. Johnny has been murdered in front of Megan, and now, according to Todd, she has seen her husband murdered brutally right in front of her. And now she's just offering.

33:40 She's offering with joy to give him sexual favors. She's offering, guys, does that sound right to you? Because I'm over here, like, yeah, friggin' right, Romeo. I don't believe that part for a second, not one second. What I think is that she was probably sick from her drug addiction, her lack of access to heroin, so she's starting to have withdrawals. She's sick as shit, she's panicked, she's scared because she just saw her husband murdered. And at this point, she's probably willing to do anything for his promises that he made her for survival. But that is not offering that, my friends, is called duress. That is sexual assault, that is rape.

34:28 That is not willing. It discussed me that he would so flippantly give her that backhanded compliment too. It was pretty good, Like it's like it's almost funny, like she was expendable because of who she was, and that it's just cool to brag about in front of other men. That disgusted me. And so he continues on after that that he offered her four thousand dollars to shut her mouth, and if she would take the four thousand dollars, he told her that he would drive her up to Tennessee and he would. Dump her off there. And then the detective says, okay, well wait a minute, what changed then? You didn't take her to Tennessee and dump her off, And he's like, no, that didn't happen.

35:16 And his answer was simple. The reason that he didn't follow through with those promises that he made was the weather. It was almost Christmas time. Remember it was rainy, it was sleeting, and it was freezing cold. So he had taken her and he had stored her in this same building that he had kept Kayla in. You're starting to see a trend here. And when he went back in the building that he was keeping her in, he found out that one day that he went in there, that Kayla had destroyed everything that she could get her hands on inside of that building.

35:56 Was she in a rage? Was she freaking out? I don't know. I can't tell you. It's probably a combination of all of it. But not only had she destroyed everything, but she had lit the building on fire, or the things at least in the building on fire. She had thrown Ammo around, She had made a huge mess of the place, and it just he goes, these are his exact words, by the way he goes, it was like she was a caged animal or something. She fucking was she was a caged animal. She was chained into a shipping container. And he acts like he's surprised it's no wonder she went nuts. Think of everything that she's going through and has been through already. Now, how did she catch the building on fire. I'm sure you're curious about that. She smoked, and he had bought her some cigarettes, I guess to make her chill out, And so he gave her a lighter, and so she took what he gave her, and she lit the mattress and all that kind of shit on fire out of the building. And so when he went in there and he saw that mess that she had made, he sells the cops.

37:06 I was over it. She's acting like a caged animal. I can't make her act right. And so he walked her outside, got her out the door, and then he put a bullet in the back of her head. Just like that. That was the end of her life. Johnny and Meghan Coxy never vanished. Something happened to them, and it was murder by the hands of Todd coalheab the unknown person that had been found buried while they were looking for that body of Charlie was none other than Meghan Coxy, And shortly thereafter police kept digging and they unearthed Johnny's body right after so two bodies were found on the property and they were not Charlie. They were Megan and her husband, Johnny. So those bodies had been sent out for autopsy and the results showed just what Todd had said.

38:03 Megan had died of a gunshot wound to the head and Johnny had died of gunshots to the torso. And both of those bodies when they were found were clothed, but it was their dental records and they both had a lot of tattoos, and those tattoos that they were able to positively identify their bodies by. So detectives had continued digging and they did also unearth Charlie's body in the same area in a shallow grave. Now, when y'all, I'm talking about three people dead and buried, and I'm just like just it's like rolling off my tongue, and I'm finding it so bizarre because it can't be that simple.

38:43 You know, these are three human beings that another human being murdered and dug a hole and buried them in. But I'll keep going. So, when Charlie's body was found, his feet were missing. The detectives were curious about this and they wanted to know what happened to Charlie's feet, And Todd was almost like offended when they said what about his feet? He said, I didn't do anything of his feet, what are you talking about? And they said, all right, well, we just his feet were gone. But they kind of chalked that up to they think it was animal activity because whenever Charlie was dumped into the hole, Todd goes into a lot of detail about it. But he dug the hole out and then he dumped Charlie's body in it, and the way he just kind of fell in the hole, he went head first, and when he covered him up, his feet were close to the surface, and so animals probably dug it up and ate his feet off. But while that's happening and they're finding Charlie outside of the gates of the property, Charlie's family was there. They were at the scene. Police had not called them to it, but they had shown up, and whenever they were asked by the media, they said, why are you out here?

39:55 What made you come. It was Charlie's brother Nathan that was there, and Charlie said, I just felt led to be here for my brother. And so they. Stood outside those gates while Charlie was exhumed from the ground, and Charlie was finally able to be sent home for a proper burial. But imagine being the family knowing that your deceased brother or your child was dumped in a hole and animals ate his feet off. It's definitely not the ending that his family wanted. But at least there was certainly the relief that his body had been found. Four people had been brutalized by one man with nothing but evil in his heart. Three were dead and one lived by the grace of God. But how could anyone be this cold? How can you be this callous? It's as strange as it is terrifying to think that that was just so lati da that he did these things.

41:00 You got to hear snippets of him speaking. Think did that sound like a killer to you? So matter of fact and calm. He was proud of his skill, of his his kills. You can tell if you couldn't tell him that small snippet. Go to my Patreon and keep listening and watching. You can tell if you listen long enough, that he is proud of what all he has done. So the police had now solved the missing person's cases of four people. It's a good day for law enforcement, albeit a long one. But I'm not done yet. Because Todd wasn't done yet either. He piped up and he stated, you know, the land that I owned was supposed to be my sanctuary, not my killing ground. So detectives kind of look at him, like, I can understand that. And it was late by now. They'd been talking for hours and hours in this case was seemingly wrapping up when Todd very confidently said, we're going to be up late because I'm about to close a few cases for you.

42:10 So the detectives look up because this was after his killing of Johnny and Meghan was known, and he had just confessed to it, and Charlie's body, y'all had already been found. Todd already confessed to that. So what did he mean he's going to close a few cases? He had already said it all. So was there more these four people? Were? Is there more than these people? Well? Funny you should ask. Todd then wanted to talk motorcycles with the detectives. The detectives remained cordial. They were friendly as anyone would be expected to act when you're trying to get a serial killer, you know, to give you all of their information. I don't think it's because they like him one bit. It's playing the game. So Todd dives into this story about buying a motorcycle thirteen years ago.

43:04 He liked the bikes. He liked motorcycles a lot, and even though he didn't know how to ride one, he had never been taught how to even ride one ride one, nor had he learned. He still got really excited those years ago, and he bought a motorcycle. But like I said, he couldn't ride it. So when he bought it, he had to have it trailered over to his house, which the salesman was happy. They were happily agreed to do it, and right after he bought the bike, they trailered it over to his house, got it off the trailer, shook hands, thank you so much for your business, and rode away. Well after Todd bought the bike, he started having a little buyer's remorse, and he you know, maybe I made a bad decision. Maybe I should either go traded in for something smaller, or maybe I want to I should go get the sail voided out. Altogether, he just felt like he had messed up. Well, luck would have it, if you want to call it. Look, but luck would have it that two or three days later, after he had paid for the bike, it was stolen. Now Todd is pissed that his bike's been stolen, and since the salesman had brought it to him literally trailered it over to his house and knewhere he lived, Todd kind of started wandering in the back of his mind if maybe the business had stolen the bike back from him, because they knew where he put it so clearly, you know, they knew, so it was possible, and this kind of was rolling in the back of Todd's mind. Well, Todd decided to call the police, and he made a report about the bike being stolen. Insurance he had it on the bike though insurance paid off the bike minus his one thousand dollars deductible,

44:37 and then life would go on. It sucks he was out the thousand bucks, but life would go on and time would pass. Well. A while later, Todd got another hanker in for a motorcycle, so he couldn't shake it. He's like, no, I want to get a bike this time, and I'll go get something different and I'm going to love it. So he showed back up at the same dealer, and this dealership that he would go to, he would drop in and he would look at motorcycles time to time. He liked to sit on the bikes. He liked to try him out, he liked to talk about bikes, and he liked to look around see what they got in that was new. Well, one of those times that he went in and he was talking about getting another motorcycle, Todd felt like the manager mocked him when he made a comment about the first one being stolen. It was something along the lines of, all right, man, if you're gonna get another one, you better put a lock on the door. Don't let the next one get stolen, you know, just kind of joking with him.

45:31 But Todd got pissed about it. He felt like he kept going back and he was gonna get business to these people, and they made fun of him and it made him angry, but he never stopped going back to keep checking out the bikes. Now, while Todd is talking about this motorcycle talk, a light bulb starts going off in the minds of the detectives because it just so happened that there had been a quadruple murder at a motorcycle shop in the area thirteen years ago. The case was never solved and no one had a clue what had happened or why it happened.

46:17 No fingerprints, no DNA was ever located, there was no video there. They found bullet casings on the ground, but they never could come up with what had happened. So investigators even had gone so far as to get the FBI involved to try to build a profile of who this killer likely could be or what they were like. The guy they got the profiler's name was John Douglas. And so if you know anything about I guess the history of profiling. John Douglas is the man that's often referred to as the original mind hunter because he built the craft of profiling off of his study of people like Manson and Bundy and others that he had interviewed that had big names. So this guy comes in and he looks at everything, and his profile found he was of the belief that there was no targeted victim in the in the motorcycle murders at the shop. His profile was that this was more of a mission that the killer was hell bent on completing. He also felt like there was revenge to it in some capacity, but this revenge was geared towards the whole company, not towards one person.

47:36 He also, in his notes had written that robbery was not the motive because there was a lot of cash on scene, but it was not touched, neither were other things. And he also made a note that he said the killer was easily butt, hurt and uptight in some regard. According to his original notes, which I was looking at the note, the killer was likely a disgruntled customer. He had planned and practiced his gun skills prior to the murder. He felt like this personality would have followed the investigation closely, almost borderline obsessed with it, and that he may put himself in the investigation at some point, but he would come across as a very nice guy and a very helpful guy whenever he did speak to the police. He put that this person, this killer, had snapped or boiled over in anger when he did it, but afterwards he immediately calmed down and would go back to acting completely normal.

48:41 He also said that more than one person would end up having knowledge about it. This guy would not keep it to himself. So this was an interesting set of information from that profile considering what we know about Todd, isn't it all the things that we kind of know about the way that he works. It's also interesting because Kayla, after her rescue, had mentioned that Todd loved to come in and bragged to her about what he called his body count. He would tell her things like, I have dreams of finally getting a three digit body count, but currently I'm only in the high two digits. Who says that they dream of killing in the three digits. He also mentioned that he was a mass killer. He not only said that he was a serial killer, but he said that he was a mass killer.

49:37 There's a difference. Serial killers like to kill people in different incidences over time. Mass killers like to kill a whole bunch of people at one time. It was a successful business too. He also had the pleasure of working with his mama every day, and he loved his mama. His mama's name was Miss Beverly, and she was her son's biggest fan too, aside from his wife Melissa, and and she worked. Miss Beverly worked alongside Scott every day and this made her proud as punch to run errands and do whatever Scott needed her to do a little bit about Scott. Scott was a Christian man through and through, and he believed in Southern values and was a true Southern gentleman to a tee to the word.

50:22 He had so much to look forward. To in his current life too, because he had just found out that his wife was six weeks pregnant with their baby. They had tried a long time for this baby, and so they were over the moon that their dream was finally coming true. They were going to get to be parents. He loved to joke and banter with people. He was very lighthearted. He kept everything fun and the family business that he ran was no different. Lighthearted, fun, down to earth, just a good guy. His beautiful wife, Melissa, he actually met at the very business that he started.

51:07 So this was literally the American dream that he had carved out from himself from beginning to end. His whole life became true, or began really began when he built this business on the weekends. He was a church guy. He was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints at Boiling Springs, and the reason his character was the way that it was was because he was raised to become a gentleman by his sweet mama. Miss Beverly believed in those same core values and she worked at the business as not only doing things whatever Scott needed, but she was also the bookkeeper and she also attended that same church as her son. She was the secretary of the Relief Society. Okay, she was an older lady, but she was involved in the things that she was passionate about. She was married to the love of her life and that would be Scott's step bother.

52:00 His name was Terry Guy and they were just a precious couple. Scott's friend and employee was named Brian Lucas, and Brian would work as the shop manager for Scott. Now. Brian was twenty nine years old. He was married as well. His wife's name was Robin and they were the proud parents of two sons, Aaron and Zach. And just like his friend, just like Scott, he was a god fearing man. He attended the first Baptist Church and he was also very involved as a member of the young adult Sunday School class. The mechanic at the shop, his name was Chris Sherbert. He was twenty six years old, and he was so good at his job. Everyone would attest to that.

52:48 He lived for motorcycles and working at this shop really was a dream come true. He was surrounded by good people and he got to do what he loved. He was always working on something, always tinkering on everything, and so it was commonplace if you saw him, he would have grease under his nails, and he would have grease on his. Clothes because that's what he did. I jokingly, I have a friend like this, and I gave him a Christmas ornament one year and it was a monkey and it said grease monkey on it, and I was just so tick avite, I thought that was so funny. He's a mechanic and so shout out Van if you're listening. I doubt it, but made me think of my buddy Van. Now, Chris was a little younger, but he wasn't married, and he had worked and bounced around at a few of the shops in the area.

53:31 But when he started working for Scott in two thousand and two, he knew that he had found where he needed to be. He had found friendship, but he also had found mentors in both Scott and Brian. Both of those men took him under their wings and taught him everything they could daily because they believed in him and that he was just an asset to this small family business. So, as you can probably guess based on what I've told you, this business wasn't one to have a lot of drama or any drama. Actually no problems. It was a place where your word is your bond, and sales were done with a handshake and a smile. These were good business people. So Scott built this dealership, like I told you, from the ground up, and it was successful from the start.

54:15 Now how successful, because I don't want you to think that I'm just like being sweet and saying it was successful. No, it really was. Because the Internet was relatively new back when this shop started, and well as far as marketing, people didn't really use the Internet for marketing. But Scott was a forward thinker and so he started using the Internet to market through and in his first year of business he sold more than a million dollars in sales. We're talking about a crew that's four or five people at this shop over a million dollars in sales. Scott was smart and as he made this money, he didn't go spend it. He decided to take that profit and further invest put it back into the business where he would remodel the building that he was in, and he expanded the garage greatly so that he could do even more work. And he was taking care of everyone in his family. The sky was the literal limit. This is exactly what you think about the American dream. And so this is why it was absolutely stunning, literally breathtaking when a call came into the nine one one center by a gentleman and he said, oh my god, there's dead people all over the building.

55:27 So the shop was a place that local bike enthusiasts had built sort of a little community. It was like their home base of their community. They would all go out and hang out there and drink coffee and talk bikes. It was just a cool place to be. And this was true for one of Scott's friends named Noel Lee. So it was a Thursday morning and he called up to the shop, talked to Scott and said, hey, man, do you care if I come by to hang out for a little while, And they're like, sure, man, come home, come hang out to do our thing. Ten minutes after Noel hung up the phone, he arrived at the shop and he walked in to a scene literally, and I know we say this all the time, but it literally was like he walked into a movie set at a horror scene. He thought legitimately that it was a prank when he first walked up. So he walks in the building and he sees Brian laying on the ground, and so he walked up to him and he nudged him with his foot and he was like, dude, get up, quit playing. But when he nudged him, it was dead weight.

56:28 When he nudged him with the foot, and then he looked and that's when he saw the blood and his heart dropped. Oh my god, Oh my god. Scott. Well, Scott never moved. So he goes to run inside to grab the phone, and as he's running in, he sees another body. And then he keeps running through to get to where the phone is and there's another body, and then another body. He saw his friend Chris slumped over a bike. It looked like he had been working literally like working on the bike and then fell over it and died. Everything's moving in slow motion, no matter how fast Nool is trying to move to get his friend's help. It's just slow motion because it's so unbelievable what he is seeing.

57:11 But he made the phone called a nine one one. Police were there within literal minutes, and an exhaustive investigation was completed over weeks and months, and while not the goal, it would further at some points, it would further open up wounds for already victimized people because of the scrutiny around the investigation. So I'll let me explain all this. So one lead did come in, and that lead was that there was a man and woman that were seen outside of the dealership around the time of the murders, and the man and woman that were named were known drug dealers. So this led the detectives to wonder was this a robbery gone bad by addicts that were needing quick cash or something like that. But it didn't fit because no money or valuables were taken. So who's gonna go in commit to murdering four people and not steal anything.

58:08 It doesn't make sense. So it's commonplace, unfortunately, and it's a sad truth, but it's commonplace that when people are murdered, they're killed by people closest to them. They're family, they're inner circle, so this couldn't be overlooked. It had to be investigated. Why would someone want to kill all of these people. There was no known drama between any of the workers, and there was no known drama between them and the community. And when I say none, I mean zero. Nobody could come forward with a problem. So this led the police to go, Okay, well, did Scott have some type of ties to. The drug world. Maybe we don't know about his drug involvement and these druggies, and so they're going down that avenue. But this was a hard no. But police still went down that avenue and that hurt the family.

59:00 It really hurt. Them because Scott didn't do drugs. Scott didn't sell drugs. Scott was not a part of anything to do with drugs. He was dead and now the family kind of felt like, is this victim blaming because he's not a drug addict and you're over here making these But listen, police have to do what they have to do to try to figure out what's going on. And it hurt the family, but I understand why they did it. Of course, they would ultimately find out Scott had nothing to do with drugs, but it still stung the living remains of his family that this was even questioned. So then police go and they look into the spouses in this case. They looked at Melissa, which was Scott's widow. They also looked at Scott's stepdad, which was mister Terry that was Miss Beverly's widow.

59:48 They looked into both of them. It had to be ruled out. It hurts, but it had to be ruled out. So both Melissa and mister Terry were questioned multiple times over the following months of the murders. So, Melissa, I just want you to understand this. Melissa not only lost her husband to a brutal murder, but she was pregnant when he was murdered. She gave birth alone without him, her mother in law's dead, brutally murdered, and now she remained under suspicion because there were no other leads. In one questioning session, she had the baby already and so she was changing his diaper and she would later find out that the police had sent that diaper to the crime lab to test the DNA on the diaper to see her DNA. It had to be done. It hurts, but it had to be done, but as a result of that, a bombshell was dropped. The lab came back saying that Scott was not the biological father.

1:00:50 Of the baby. Brian was said to be the biological father of the baby. When Melissa was faced with that information, she scoffed at it immediately and was like. What are you talking about? Absolutely not. She was offended beyond words, adamant that they needed to retest it because it was absolutely absurd and how dare you say that to me? So in good faith, they did just that. The lab sent in DNA again, but this time the lab tested Miss Beverly's DNA against her own son, Scott's, and even crazier, when those results came back, they showed that Miss Beverly wasn't the mother of Scott. Okay, something's wrong here. If you're not catching on, what in the world, how could what is going on? Well, it turned out there was actually an answer to this. It turned out that when the blood was collected at the murder scene, Brian and Scott's DNA got mixed up, so when it was all squared away, just as Melissa had said all along, her beloved husband was the father of her son and she had never had an affair ever with Brian, but for eighteen months that suspicion had been lingering in the community and the word had gotten out.

1:02:09 So to be revictimized again like that, that's sad. There's no other word for that. That's uncalled for. The wound that that caused was inadvertent. Okay, again, it was inadvertent, but it happened, and it still adds to the damage. The final lead that they had that they could check up on was that a customer that was in the business right before the murders happened told them that another man was in there and that his behavior seemed off. He said, the guy seemed to know bikes, he liked to talk a lot about him. Him and the salesmen were going back and forth. But they they did a whole investigation on that. It led nowhere, and the case really went cold for thirteen years. But Kayla, now in the current time, was alive and when she was still talking with investigators, she had mentioned that Todd kept bragging during her activity that not only was he a serial killer, but he was a mass murderer. Like I told you, there's a difference. So when Todd told investigators that he was going to close some cases for them that night.

1:03:10 He wasn't lying. He was more than happy to brag about his role in a killing spree they never solved. And this was the murders of all of the people at the bike shop all those years ago, from two thousand and three to twenty fifteen, Todd Coleup didn't do any killing, which is interesting because that profile or mention, if you remember, that the killer would likely lay low until things blew over, which was exactly what Todd did. Scott Ponder, Beverly Guy, Brian Lucas, and Chris Sherbert had all been slaughtered and their deaths were unsolved until now.

1:03:53 So I want you to listen to Todd. I want you to listen to this snippet of Todd bragging to detectives about how fat he murdered four innocent people. In cold blood. And please pay attention to these three sentences intently that I'm about to play for you, and do not forget at all that we're talking about a elderly mother, her son, and two other innocent young men. I was a day day, Yeah, high clear is no under thirty second. People know I clear that you don't under thirty secs. You guys would have been proud. I'm sorry she. Guys would have been proud.

1:04:34 You would have been proud. Did you hear you would have been proud? What it got me going? I'm like, okay, tough guy. You walked into a building full of innocent, unarmed, unsuspecting people and you shot them, and now you somehow think that it would make police officers proud. What is wrong with you? They're not proud of that. If you want to impress me, or you want to impress law enforcement, go into a known terrorist and eliminate the armed terrorists shooting at you while you clear three floors, and then take out Ben Laden. That's some real men shit right there. That Seal Team six, You, sir, are of zero comparison. You're nothing but a coward with a gun who went up against unarmed people. Some are elderly.

1:05:17 It's sick. So what happened and why I want to tell you about it? Remember how that profiler had mentioned that the killer was likely easily butt hurt, probably a disgruntled customer who planned and practiced ahead of time. Well, maybe these profilers do actually know what they're talking about because Todd had said he felt like Scott had mocked him when he went back to purchase that second bike after the first one was stolen. That's what all of this is about. Todd colhep was butt hurt because they made a joke about the second bike he was wanting getting stolen. Don't let him get stolen. A simple joke had sealed all of their death certificates. This from the guy who's sitting there talking to police, continuously making little jokes towards them, but he couldn't take a little joke. Todd became disgruntled in that moment, just as the profiler had predicted, and he started his plan to kill them all. He went home and he started enacting his plans for mass murder to start. He hired a machinist to build him a suppressor, and Todd told the police this guy knew what it was for. And what he meant was that the guy knew that it was illegal what he was doing. Because suppressors are silencers, they're legal in all states but nine to own. They were legal to own in South Carolina, but the intended use Todd had was illegal, and so that makes it illegal. What was going on. Also, just

1:06:48 to note, only a qualified dealer can sell suppressors, so the guy that was making it for him was not a qualified dealer and he does end up getting in trouble for that later on. Next, he did practice with the very weapon that he was planning to take with him, and he made a game plan. The day of the murder, he took that pistol, he put it in a shoulder holster. He was at a nearby CVS whenever he did that, and then he took himself on down to the bike shop. He went in, he sat on some bikes like he had been doing. Basically though, he was stalling for time, allowing that customer that was in the building to leave.

1:07:30 This would have been that same man that gave the last tip to police that there was a man in the building that was acting kind of off whenever he was there before he left. And Todd's exact statement is when they were like, well, why didn't you kill that customer? Oh, collateral damage is not cool. That was his direct quote, as if he had some type of conscience or something, he didn't want to shoot other people only his intended targets. Also, the reason he was stalling was because he was waiting for one of the guys he wanted to kill and he realized that that guy wasn't there yet. I'm not sure if that was Scott or Brian. He wasn't very clear, but it was one of the two. And Todd also added at that moment that you know, he really could be described as a killer with a conscience and a kidnapper with morals. After all, y'all, he did buy Megan that cart and of cigarettes that I mentioned, and he did give Kayla fans and lanyards, so he you.

1:08:27 Know, give him a break here. He's a good guy as well as not murdering that man that was waiting with his young son by the way in the shop. He waited until they left, so you know he has a conscience and all, what a guy man, Todd, You're a total true gent for that. So he said he was sitting on a black Kawasaki Katana six hundred and he says, you know what, guys. I wanted, I want to buy it. So they shook hands and they even went to the back and got him a free T shirt to thank him for being a customer there. And Todd was clear he wanted the police to know. Look, I didn't keep that shirt because I like trophies. I'm not a trophy killer. I just kept a shirt because it was free. So the mechanic, Chris Sherbert, took the bike to the back to prepare it, and so Todd sat around for a few minutes while that paperwork was getting drawn up and being printed and all that, and then he stood up and he walked to the back where the mechanics area was, and Chris was bent over the bike prepping it. He was crouched down and he was working diligently to get that bike ready to be in the best operating condition for Todd to take it off the lot. He never saw Todd coming. Todd calmly walked up, pulled the baretta out of the holster, and then pointing it downward at a downward angle, he shot Chris twice in the head, and Chris immediately collapsed on the bike, never moving again.

1:09:46 So Todd then continued on his mission. He pushed through what he called soft doors. It's basically those heavy plastic fabric type doors and shops. He pushed through those and he entered into the other part of the building. And that's when miss Beverly and Scott had heard the gunshots. They came running to see what had happened, and Miss Beverly came through the door first, and since she was the closest, he pointed the gun and he shot that old woman two or three times in the chest, and then he chuckles when he tells police that and says it wasn't really my best work. She immediately dropped to the ground. Remember, y'all, Todd's not a mean guy. He told detectives after that that he didn't mean to hit the mom because he prefers not.

1:10:32 To shoot women if he can. So, I mean, I guess Megan that he shot didn't count she wasn't a woman, since he has morals and whatnot. And then he made it clear also, I want you to know I refuse to shoot a kid. He threw that in there too. So when Miss Beverly dropped hit the deck, Brian and Scott turned and ran for the door, trying to get away from him, and Todd, incredibly, while he's explaining this to police, criticizes the way that the two men ran away from him, as if he's giving some type of tactical advice or something. It's very condescending, and he acts like they are just less than because of the way they ran away from him. So he continued to shoot at these two men while they're trying to run out of the door. One of them just saw his mother executed in front of him. But Todd got one of them with a bullet as he was in the doorway, and that one fell to the floor. Then Todd explained that he did a tactical reload, because you know, he's acting like some type of military guru at this point and says, I did a tactical reload, and then I dropped the second guy before he could get out the door.

1:11:37 I put two or three rounds in that last guy, and then he kind of fell out of the door. His body ended up in the parking lot. He starts bragging, and he chuckles about, man, you should see how fast that reload was too, like he's talking about a video game, and that these weren't real people having their lives stolen from them within seconds, and Todd wanted to make sure that they were dead, So even though none of them were moving, he walks over to them and the victim in the doorway he put a bullet in his head execution style, and then he walked out into the parking lot where the other remaining one was, and that's whenever the guy was laid on his back looking up and he shot him in the forehead. So Todd, now convinced he had killed the two men, went back into the building, he says, to clear it, and as he went through, he put a bullet in the remaining two people's forehead when he passed them. And when he was happy with his handiwork, he put his gun on safety because you know, he don't want to accidentally shoot somebody or anything. Only murder goes unsafe, got in his two door gray ninety one Acura Legend and he drove home. After coldly giving these details, he then, after what he has just said to these officers.

1:12:54 He then goes and man, that car was awesome. That was a cool old car. Minimizing everything that he had. Basically, he just admitted to doing to innocent people. And when he got home, he took the gun apart. He put different pieces and trash bags and then he dumped them out in one of the hunting camp dumpsters. A normal person needs time to process all that was just said. But Todd, unmoved by the gravity of all the death and the destruction that he just admitted to, then decides to act as an impromptu professor of murder I guess I would call it. And he gives a short lesson to the detectives on why he always wore two pair of latex gloves at all times when loading the magazines, even when he was practicing. So here's Professor Colhep, in his own words, explaining his glove science.

1:13:47 For you, did you wear one payer you changed to had a lame print because the asagine thing in regard to that when they touch you still feel that you get any chemicals on the outside that when you touched first or retouch the cant but print on it, even though he didn't. You have gloves. If you wear gloves, coup of the gloves, it calls frishing between the two of them in the gatesbem. And by the way, now that you've heard that, Todd goes on to specify that he prefers five mill surgical gloves because the others are just too tight and too thick of gloves. When you're doing this type of work, it is so lain his bravado and his cockiness, and he thinks he sounds so fucking cool when he is saying this. All of this he shared, by the way, to explain to the detectives why they wouldn't find fingerprints on any of the casings because of his mastery of wearing two gloves. His comments throughout the questioning are so cocky but misplaced. It's like, read the room, dude. But that profiler did say that the killer would talk. Todd wanted to talk and he wanted to tell all and it's very revealing whenever he's doing it. At one point, because of some of the injuries that were sustained by one of the victims, detect Tis asked him, Hey, did you ever pistol whip any of them? And Todd's response he kind of laughs. He's like, look, I may shoot people, but pistol whipping, that's just not my thing, okay, and then he reiterates the last thing that he would ever want to do also is to shoot a child like he cares.

1:15:18 But to me, he can go ahead and drop this moral super. Dude cape because he acts as if hurting a child is beneath him. But he didn't go a second without worrying about hurting a child by murdering his father. That was no problem because a little boy was now thirteen years old and he had lived thirteen years without a father because of Todd coleheap not to mention Charlie and Kayla were somebody's children, as were Johnny and Megan, so he can spare me his supposed morality. That he's trying to spew out. At that moment, I am not impressed nor moved by his negative stance on pistol whipping people or shooting children.

1:16:01 Because it's fake. None of that is real. Even after his confession to police, he was dissatisfied too, and he vocalized this. He was dissatisfied with the media coverage and the supposed inaccuracies of all of these atrocities that he had committed. His body count, he said, wasn't even close to accurate according to him. He says it's considerably more than seven. They need to give him the credit for that, and he also wants them to know, look, the only reason I got caught was because I didn't plan on killing Charlie, so I didn't have any intentions on keeping Kayla and that's what threw my game off. I just wasn't prepared. He also was crystal clear, Look, I didn't rape any of these women that I kept captive, but he didn't say that, claiming he didn't have sex with them. Listen to this. He says, I didn't rape any of those women, okay. He went as far as to say that Kayla wanted the sex from him. Well, it sure doesn't seem like it, okay, because this seems more like when he took that fourteen year old girl at gunpoint and raped her when she didn't want him. Remember, she didn't want him, and that's why he raped her and then he let her go. Well, this time, it sure seems to me like that's the same concept. But this time no one's going to be walking home and telling on him. They would do whatever he wanted. He could pretend it was mutual, and then if they didn't comply, he would just kill them. So as far as remorse

1:17:31 for what he has done, he was never sorry for the killings. He says that directly, I have no remorse for the killings that I did. And there was one final proclamation that echoed in my mind after he said it. It is so callous and it is so cold. He chipped at the police. He looked at them and said, look, guys, my golf game is weak, but my kill game it's strong. That is so not impressive. It did not hit the way I think he thought that that would hit. Police aren't out there being killing machines for the fun of it. Police are pulling guns because they're trying to save their own lives, not because they want to take somebody else's. And there's a big difference. So I want to ask you real quick, do you wonder about the parents of people like Todd colehep, Because I do. And I'm not saying that I think the parents are to blame necessarily, but I would be lying if I said it didn't cross my mind. So I did do some research on this, and my feeling is that Todd's mom was a victim in all of this as well. So when she was asked how could any of this have happened? I have her response recorded, and I'm gonna let you listen in her own words of how she says she thinks that this could have possibly gone this way.

1:18:41 I took him everywhere I knew to take him. God my heart absolutely goes after those people, and I feel so shame. I feel, oh, it's shame. That my son hurt them. My heart for people doesn't stop because they are related to a monster. The shame and the sadness that she feels to me is so genuine, and I wanted to be sure to share her in that light so I can be fully transparent in that this affected a lot of people on both sides of the coin.

1:19:23 The Spartanburg sheriff. His name is Chuck Wright, he knew too that Todd's mom could help them, even if it was at the expense of her own son. She did play a role in this because Todd said, if I can talk to my mom, then maybe we can work something out, and the sheriff did let Todd talk to his mom, and granting this is why Todd was willing to confess to everything that he did. I think that Todd's mom does deserve a pat on the back as far as that is concerned, because the confessions that she was a part of that he gave closed a lot of cases for families who didn't know what happened and may have gone to their grave never knowing if it weren't for everything.

1:20:09 Laying out the way that it did. And Miss Beverly's husband, Scott's stepdad, was interviewed after Todd was announced as the confessed killer of his wife and his stepson, and I want to put this out there to display to you the caliber of people that these victims and their families are. I want you to know that if they are any. Reflection on the people that were lost, that we lost some good people. Because mister God, he's a soft spoken man, and when he was asked, who do you think is the suspect, he continued for years to say, everybody but me. It's everybody but me. And he even reflected to the media back on a time when someone called him to talk about the case concerning his son and his ex wife, and he said that hit me in the heart directly because he replied to that person, Beverly is not my ex wife. Beverly is my former wife. I did not get rid of her.

1:21:10 I would have never gotten rid of her. She was stolen from me. And it really made me think about my words when I talk to people about this type of stuff because it's not his ex wife, and he's right, she was stolen from him, and mister Guy also acknowledged while Todd had no remorse for killing his family members, and while the blood that was shed that day had long dried on the concrete, that he said, you know, I do feel that they can rest now in peace. But he said another thing. He said, I'm gonna pray for Tod, the man that stole his whole world from him. He said, I'm going to pray for him. And the only thing.

1:21:51 That I ask from Todd in return from everything that he stole from me is that Todd would accept Christ and accept eternity with God. That's all he wanted. And that's better than me, mister Guy, in no way one He lost a lot, But he still also expressed that he felt sympathy for Todd's family and everything they had been through, including his mother, and he knew that they had nothing to do with the tragedy, and he said that I not only will pray for them, I would be happy to pray with them if they feel so. Led. I was so impressed by this, and like I said, if he's any example of his family and the people that were lost in this tragedy, the world suffered on this one Todd Colehep was charged with a total of fourteen charges. This included seven counts of murder, multiple weapons charges, kidnapping, as well as sexual assault. Todd Colehep was forty six years old when the judge handed down a sentence of seven consecutive life sentences plus sixty years. And I know right now someone's going and why wasn't he given the death penalty? Are you kidding me? Well, the answer is, actually, I have it for you. It's very simple. It's out of respect for his victims and their families. They did not want to go through a long drawn out trial about this, so they offered a plea deal. If Todd would plead guilty in exchange for life without the possibility

1:23:21 of parole, and if he would waive all of his appeal options, they would put it on the table and Todd Colhep took the deal. So this certainly closed the book on any possibility of the public being harmed physically by Todd in the future. But he did continue to terrorize from behind bars because in prison, he decided that he wanted to have a biography written about his life, and he contacted an old friend of. His to do it. For him. Now, the best friend was hesitant, but his curiosity also got the best of him, and he did end up helping to write this book. It's published, by the way, so if you want to invest your thirteen hard earned dollars to learn what he says all about his life that's so important, you can find.

1:24:07 That on Amazon. The title you ask, which, by the way, I'm not promoting it, and I wish you would not go do this, but the title, how did he title it? A devil reflex? Real, real charming Todd a douvil reflex. And while you're there, by the way, you can also go look because he left reviews for the purchase he made of one of the shovels on his property, and the review he wrote good for burying bodies. That was his Amazon review, So the profiler nailed it all those years ago. It was playful banter about a bike being stolen that left Todd feeling like he was made fun of. And it just goes to show you how socially inept Todd colheb was and continues to be. How are you gonna be a thin skinned murderer dude being a sissy and also having a power complex it's just not a good look. So, as evidenced by the Plea deal, Todd wasn't afraid to kill, but he was a bitch when it came to being killed himself. After all of the trauma and all of the pain that he caused so many people, and all of the lives that he stole, the fact that he gets to live out his life is disgusting. So you can call me mean, you can call me vengeful, or whatever you want, but Todd colehap should have been wiped from the face of this planet a long time ago, no questions asked. But I'm not in charge, which Todd should be very happy about because I was raised a

1:25:38 flush shit not to play with it.