April 2, 2025

SERIAL MURDERER: Todd Kohlhepp

SERIAL MURDERER: Todd Kohlhepp

This episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings explores Serial Murderer Todd Kohlhepp who Todd Kohlhepp who lured literally countless people to his property, in an effort to torture and murder them. 

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07:01 The Missing...

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Season 7

This episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings explores Serial Murderer Todd Kohlhepp who Todd Kohlhepp who lured literally countless people to his property, in an effort to torture and murder them.

Timestamps
07:01 The Missing Couple
12:45 A Mother's Determination
25:57 The Search Intensifies
31:29 Todd Kohlhepp's Dark Past
37:42 Discovering the Property
56:39 The Rescuing Moment
59:28 The Murder of Charlie
1:04:19 The Aftermath of Horror
1:13:37 Finding Freedom
1:15:06 Uncovering More Than Expected

Video, Sound and Editing for Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings is provided by the podcast experts at Envision Podcast Studios in Denham Springs, LA.

Executive Producer: Jim Chapman


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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. I've had

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the best day, you can probably telling my voice how

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upbeat I am. I took some kids on a field

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trip today. We went to our local jail and then

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we went to the shooting range and we just had

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the best time learning about law enforcement and everything, you know,

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all the cool hands on things that we do and

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some handcuffing and all that, and just I had a blast.

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And then I have the joy now of coming in

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here to record for you. And this episode I've worked

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really hard on. It is. It's one with a lot

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of twist and turns, and I hope that you're ready,

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because this is going to be a goodie. I want

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you to come with me though, to South Carolina back

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in twenty sixteen. And I don't know about you. When

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I think of South Carolina, I think of forests and wildlife.

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That's just what comes to mind when I think about

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that state. And matter of fact, it's true, right because

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forests cover more than sixty seven percent of that state,

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making the lob Lolly Pine one of the state's biggest

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natural resources. And actually best my best guy friend. He

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lived on lab b Lolly here locally, and I always

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thought that name was so goofy. I'm like, who names

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a street La Blallie? Until I realized it was a tree.

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So I guess my ignorance showed there. But out in

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South Carolina, that was the home to Kayla Brown and

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Charlie Carver. Both of them were born in the eighties

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and they were in their early thirties whenever this case

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took place. Kayla and Charlie, I'll let you know, were

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not of great means, and they weren't from high society

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or anything of that nature, and they certainly did not

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live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. But they

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were happy. They had been friends for about a year

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or so and they started to casually date for a

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short while, but now they were officially exclusive and they

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felt strongly enough for one another that they decided that

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they were going to move in together. So they settled

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into an apartment, and while they shared no children together,

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they did have a little dog his name was Romeo,

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that they just loved and doted after. Kayla with her

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dyed red hair and her green eyes. So something in

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the kind smile of Charlie, he just he's one of

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those people when you see him, his smile is kind.

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You see something wonderful when he smiles. And he always

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was making her laugh and bringing joy to her life.

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She had always been a confident person. She did pageants

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whenever she was a child growing up, and she had

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grown into a very motivated woman. But Charlie did a

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little something special for her that made her just made

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her feel just up there on this pedestal. Something just

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different about him whenever he entered her life. She was outgoing,

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She had a close friend group. They loved to hang

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out with one another. They really enjoyed each other's company,

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but Charlie was her safe spot and Kayla loved him.

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They were both very trusting people too, very kind hearted people,

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and they went well together. It was just a good combo. Now,

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Charlie had brown hair and he wore glasses. He was

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sporting this brown beard and this easy going spirit about

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him everywhere that he went. Now, I will tell you this.

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Charlie was technically still married, but he was estranged from

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his wife, Nicole. Charlie and Nicole had met on an

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online dating site and they eventually did get married. This

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was back in twenty fourteen, but things soured. It didn't

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last long, and although they were estranged, they still had

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two children together and they were doing their best to

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co parent both of these children that were a product

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of that relationship. Charlie worked as a printing machine operator

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at First Quality Tissue, and this was the job he

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took after he had completed his duties in the Army

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National Guard. Shout out to everybody, by the way, who

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is in our armed forces and in our National Guard,

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serving in whatever capacity that you may work. My hat

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is off to you. That is the ultimate for me,

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is someone who would go out and protect our country

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and take that oath. So he did that. Charlie did it,

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and then he ca back home and he started his

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civilian life working for the First Quality Tissue. He did

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have interest in law enforcement when he was younger. He

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thought that was a path he might should take, and

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he even participated in the Anderson County Sheriff's Office Explore

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Cadet program, which is basically a program for youth that

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are interested in think that they want to take the

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next step when they get old enough to become law enforcement,

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and they go do some hands on training and they

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learn the ins and outs of law enforcement. So he

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was a part of that program whenever he was younger,

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but it just didn't pan out that that would be

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a law enforcement career would be the path that he took.

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He went military instead. But as an adult, he loved

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playing pool and he was a member of some local

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pool leagues that he liked to go and play in.

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He also loved to write. He was a writer and

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he was good at it. From everything I've read and

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that I understand, he loved to write books and he

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was actually in the process of writing his fifth mystery

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novel when he and Caleb met, So he did a

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lot of writing. Now Todd had this full time job.

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But he was always willing to go with Kayla and

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do odd jobs here and there whenever it was time

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to make a little extra money. And specifically they would

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go together and they would clean homes. These homes were

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ones that were being put up for sale that maybe

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were newer and needed to be cleaned out, or even

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if it was a home that was just about to

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be sold and needed to be spruced up, that's what

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they would go do. Now, Todd Colehep was a local

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realtor and he had contacted Kayla about doing some work

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for him, and she had already done four or five

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homes in the recent months and clean those for him.

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And we know realtors, right, they're moving houses and they

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need them cleaned and they need people to help do that,

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and so this was a typical thing to occur. Now.

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Charlie always accompanied Kyla on these jobs because he didn't

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want to buy yourself in a home in an unknown area.

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He wanted someone to be able to stay with her

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so that she was safe. This go around, when they

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were going to clean this house, it was exactly the same.

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They would go to Todd's house, they would go get

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the keys for the property that they were going to

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go clean. Usually he would give them the address, they

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would put that into their GPS. Then they would go

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and they would clean wherever they were cleaning, and then

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when they were done, they would go back to Todd's house,

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give them the keys, and he would immediately cut the

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check forum right then. It had been a typical job

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and they had done this multiple times. But on August

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thirty first, both Kayla and Charlie went to Todd's home

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to go pick up the keys to the property that

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he needed them to clean on this day. The thing

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was that this was not a property that he was

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going to be putting up for sale. It was actually

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owned by Todd. So he did give them the keys

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to say go clean it, but he said I'm going

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to drive there too, because I have to unlock some

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gates before you can get into the property. And he

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wasn't willing to give out the code for the gate

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to them, but he would give them the keys to

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the property once they got inside the gate. So they

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got there, Todd got out and he unlocked that gate

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just like he was supposed to and opened it up.

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Charlie and Kayla we drove through first and then Charlie

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and Kayla followed through in their vehicle behind him. Todd

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then got back out of his car, locked the gate,

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shut it, locked it, and then they continued down the

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road to the back to where the house was that

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they were going to be cleaning. So they drove about

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a half a mile back on this property when they

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came upon an area of a couple of buildings that

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were right there. There was a two story building which

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was really a large garage and two level. Each level

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was a different color. The bottom was a light brown

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cinder block style wall, and then the top was ten siding.

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There was also off to the right a small garden

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like garden shed with that you'd store you know, containers

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or whatever you needed for gardening in that. And then

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this there was another building kind of off to the

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side of that. And this was in a rural area,

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and like I just told you, it was away from

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the main road, but very nice. It was orderly, it

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was kept, it was maintained. Today though they were not

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actually going to be cleaning this building, Todd needed them

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to go clean some underbrush on these trails that he

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had created, and he said it was kind of growing

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back and so he needed that brush trimmed back. So

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they all got there. They were chit chatting about what

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was going to happen, and then they walked into this

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large garage. So the large garage had a big garage

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door on the front of it and then a regular

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door on the left hand side of the building. So

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they go in. Todd's given them some hedge clippers and

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some tools and things that they're gonna need. He asked them, Hey,

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y'all need a bottle of water. Great, He handed them

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both a bottle of water, and then they walked out

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of that side door to head to the property that

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needed to be cleaned. Todd forgot something though, said hey,

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just hang on a second. So they stood right outside

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the door holding hands and they were talking with one

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another when Todd returned about three minutes later and then

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started to walk out and show them to the job site. Now,

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Kayla was supposed to have dinner with her girlfriends that night,

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but as night fell, she no called, and she no showed,

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No one could get in touch with her. So these

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girlfriends did what I think a lot of us would do,

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and they called the one person that we would call

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in our times of worry, and I know you didn't

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just say the police. I know that's not what you

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just thought to yourself, because you are wrong. It was mama.

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That is who they called. When something happens and your

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friend's not answering, you call her mama. So whenever they

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get Mom on the phone and they're explaining, look, she

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didn't show up, she's not answering the phone. Her mom

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thought that they were joking at first, they had that

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kind of relationship like, Ohkaylea when it's the phone. But

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she realized after they talked for a minute that this

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was not a joke and that they really really no, really,

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she's not answering the phone, and we cannot get a

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hold of her, and we definitely had plans for tonight.

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So they jump in the car and they ride over

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to the apartment of Kayla and Charlie. And that's whenever

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Mom says, uh oh, because Kayla's car was at the apartment.

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But they knock on the door and Kayla, Charlie nobody's

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answer in the phone, the car is there. This is

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a problem. She couldn't have gone anywhere without it. So

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Mom then jumped on the phone and she called police.

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So the police show up. They arrive at the apartment,

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They look around and there was nothing external that showed

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any signs of a problem. Once they got inside the apartment,

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it looked like people lived there. It looked like someone

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had just left the apartment and then expected to return.

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They looked in the bathroom and all around. All of

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the personal items for both of them were still in

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the home. And these were things that you would expect

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to be gone if somebody ran off. Their suitcases were there,

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their personal items were there. I mean, hell, their dog

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was there. Romeo was there. They're not going to run

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off and leave Romeo. And to point out two, Romeo

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had no food or water, which wasn't even close to

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his normal treatment that he would have received. They would

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have never not fed or watered this dog. So the police,

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first of all, and we've heard this a million times,

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because they were adults, the police first had to rule

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out that they didn't want to not be found, had

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they run off together and gone off on a lover's

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trip or whatever. But everyone knew that this was not

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the case, and it wasn't even their character at all,

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even if they wanted to go on a spur of

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the moment trip they're two grown ass adults. All they

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would do is call somebody and say, hey, we're going

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on a trip. There was no reason to not answer

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the phone. They didn't need to run off. It just

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didn't fit the description of what was going on at

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this point in their lives. So the investigation into their

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whereabouts would go on for days and then weeks, and

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the two just had up and vanished without a trait,

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a trace, which we know doesn't happen. Guys, this doesn't happen.

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People don't vanish. And I hate when people say that, oh,

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they just vanished. That makes it seem like mythical almost.

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People don't vanish. Something happens to them, that's what happens.

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And so after two months goes by and no one

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has heard a peep from the two of them or

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seen them. The police were kind of thinking more along

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the lines of we might be recovering bodies instead of

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finding them alive. But Kayla's mama refused to give up hope,

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as any good mama would. She was focused on finding

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her Kayla, and sometimes she even said that people would

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prepare her or try to prepare her. Look, you know,

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Kyla might not be coming home. You need to prepare yourself.

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And while while these people may have had good intentions

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by telling her this and trying to prepare her heart,

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because it's just not good after the first forty eight

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hours that it's just not looking good. Now two months

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have gone by, maybe you should be prepared that they

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might find her body. And when that would happen, Kayla's

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mama would look at them and very matter of factly say,

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and since that's your way of thinking, do not ever

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speak to me again. Whatever you feel about that, that's

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up to you. It's your prerogative. But it was her

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daughter that was missing, and she wasn't giving up, so

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she did not want to hear from other people who

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made it sound like they had given up. And I

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don't blame her. It's her baby girl, and she's out

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there somewhere and she's gonna find her. So while I

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believe in the power of a good detective, I'm telling

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you there are some excellent detectives out there that if

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anything ever happens to me, I want them looking for me,

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and they know who they are. I know them personally.

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I believe in the power of a good detective. I

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also believe in the power of a good mama. And

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y'all know it. You've been listening to me long enough.

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I believe in the power a mama. Can I get

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an amen, especially one who's pissed off or scared because

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she knows no bounds. There's nothing that will ever get

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in the way of a mama, a real mama. So

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she started to think about scenarios of what could have

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possibly happened to her daughter, but also Charlie. What would

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make sense that they would up and not return. And

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at one point she'd be lying if she said that

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she didn't wonder if maybe Charlie somehow was involved in

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the disappearance of her daughter, But that always would kind

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of just flash out of her mind, though, because all

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she could think about was that Charlie had always been

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a gentleman, always been kind, always thought about Kayla. It

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just was something Even when she tried to make that

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make sense in some way, she couldn't. She just couldn't

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believe that it just didn't fit. And that's when her

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mom really started looking to Kayla's social media and on Facebook,

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she saw that Kayla and Charlie had been talking about

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doing odd jobs and cleaning houses and mentioning out there

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on the book of Face. You know, if you need

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a property cleaned, we clean properties if you need this

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or that or these odd jobs were taken on more jobs,

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and Mom knew about this in the past when she

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was talking about it with her daughter. But Kayla usually

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went with someone to do the jobs, like I told you,

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and she only did jobs of either friends or people

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that she personally knew, or she would do work for

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people that personal friends would vouch for, so she didn't

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stray out into just complete strangerville to go start cleaning

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these properties. Kayla was a trusting girl, but she was smart,

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and she was very loving, but she was also careful.

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She was not just kind of floating in the wind

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out you're just going wherever to make a buck. She

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really thought about what she was doing and wanted to

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be safe and Charlie, if he was with her, Charlie

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would have defended her with everything that he had if

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something would have gone wrong, and he never would have

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just left her. Kayla's mamma said, Charlie would not leave her,

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it wasn't his character. There had to be more to this,

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So at the same time, Charlie's mama was beside herself

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looking for her son. Where is my son? Where could

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he have gone? The very last communication that Charlie's mama

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had with him was that she had texted him to

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tell him his favorite actor, who was Gene Wilder, had died.

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She sent him a message, Oh no, son, you know

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your favorite actor died, and Charlie texted her back. It

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was one word he texted back, damn clearly bombed out

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to hear about the passing of his favorite character on teev.

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But after that one worded text of damn came through,

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there was nothing. I'm talking radio silence, so to speak.

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He never texted her back again. And Charlie was responsible.

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Charlie was a very responsible worker and son. He would

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go work his twelve hour shifts at that printing division

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of his job, and he always showed up. He was reliable,

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and he was one of those guys who was a jokester.

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I think I told you all. He always was making

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Caleb laugh and she loved that about him. He was

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a jokester and he would tell people, man, I guess

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I just don't know what I'm doing at my job.

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Because when he got home or when he would leave work,

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he always had ink on his hands or on his clothes,

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and he would always joke, well, I don't know what

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the hell I'm doing, that's why I'm covered in ink.

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And I think that's cute. I like that. He just

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wasn't the person who wouldn't just show up to work

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and he wasn't going to work. He was also very

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close with his mama. They even shared a bank account. Still,

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he and his mom wouldn't have gone without talking. It's

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just that's not their style. He's going to talk to

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his mom. So when Kayla wasn't answering her calls and

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Charlie wasn't answering his phone calls, that's when Charlie's mama

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called the manager of the apartment complex and said, I

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need you to go check on them. They are in

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Unit seventeen. They're not answering phone calls. I need you

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to check and see if that if they're okay. Well,

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this is about the same time that Kayla's mama was

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doing all of this too. Obviously they weren't at the apartment.

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So Charlie's mom, just like Kayla's, went and filed a

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missing person report, and when she showed up, she was

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carrying with her his senior portrait from high school so

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they would have a photo of him. And I know,

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I say things struck strike me all the time, but

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this did it struck me. I kind of sat back

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whenever I read that, and I said, bless this woman's heart, because, y'all,

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she brought the photo of her little boy in high

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school while the rest of us see a grown man.

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And you know, I'm gonna post pictures when the rest

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of us see a grown man with a beard, and

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we're looking for a grown man. This woman shows up

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at the police department with his high school photo because

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through her eyes, it's her son no matter what, it

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doesn't matter how old he is, and that high school

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photo was what she brought, and it hurt my heart

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to think about her doing so. So police had chased

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down leads from Charlie's family as well as Kayle's family.

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They chased leads until they were blue in the face.

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They had also gone to Charlie's work. They visited there

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and had them pull surveillance video because it was they

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had cameras everywhere at his work. They watched the video

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and the last known sighting of Charlie on camera was

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when he left work on August thirtieth at seven thirty

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five pm, which was about thirty minutes after his shift ended,

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and he was talking on the phone and as he

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walked out, got in his truck or in his car,

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and he drove off. The only next proof of life finding,

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if you want to call it, that was the next

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day whenever he used his debit card at a McDonald's.

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But no one had heard or spoken to him since.

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And this would prove really really important because this establishes

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the timeline of nones and you've got to have a

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starting point. So we know he left work and then

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we know that his debit card was used at a McDonald's. Well,

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Kayla's good friend, her name was Leah Miller. Kayla's friend,

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Leah helped to solidify that same timeline with Kayla as

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well and what she was doing, because Leah verified that

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the last time she spoke with Kayla was also August thirtieth.

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Kayla had told Leah that she was going into the

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Greenville area and that she would be driving home. So

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the next morning, Kyla texted her at six oh six

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am and said are you awake? Leah didn't respond immediately

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she it was a little bit later. I guess she

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was sleeping. It was six o'clock in the morning. But

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later on, whenever she tried to answer her or would call,

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Cayla never answered. And it wasn't for lack of trying.

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She had called, she had texted, and this girl was

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a good friend. She even drove by Kayla's apartment and

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left a note on her car in case she was thinking, well,

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maybe she's sick and she just doesn't want to be bothered,

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or she can't get up, you know, she has you know,

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she's vomiting or something. So she even left a note

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on her car that said call me. I can't get

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in touch with you. But no response ever came. And

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just like Kayla's mom had mentioned, Leah told the police

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we had plans for a barbecue that night, but Cayla

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never followed up. She never showed up. Something is not right.

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So it was now months later. It's a hot September

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at the point that I'm talking about, and both of

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the missing couple's families were in major distress by this point.

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Police had this timeline that I just laid out for you,

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but nothing else, I mean nothing, cold, dead in the tracks,

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nothing to go off of. So friends and family said, well,

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if you don't have a lead to follow, we're still

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going to do our part. And they were putting up

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flyers everywhere all over town. They were physically going themselves

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and searching tirelessly for their missing friends. No one knew

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or saw anything. Everywhere that they went, no one knew anything.

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And put yourself in their shoes for a second, and

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imagine how that must feel. Nobody knows anything. That would

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drive me insane. Someone has to know something, someone has

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to know something. But no leads would come. And the

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flyers looked the usual flyer that you would expect to

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see it, says Kayla five foot seven, one hundred and

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thirty five pounds, dyed red hair, green eyes, Charlie five

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foot eleven, one hundred and eighty pounds, brown hair, a beard, glasses.

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They even went so far as to describe his tattoos.

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He had a couple of them, most notable on his back.

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He had a rebel flag tattoo and they also put

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on there. Charlie had a two thousand and two white

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Pontiac Grand Prix, and that car was missing, and it

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had been missing since the couple went missing, so they

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were believed to be in that car together whenever they

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went missing. So in the meantime, police want to speak

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to everybody and that includes good batter indifferent, and so

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they went to go speak to Charlie's estranged wife, Nicole.

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So while they're talking to Nicole, Nicole paints a picture

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that maybe is a little different than what I expected,

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but this is what Nicole said. She said that Charlie

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had started dating Kayla in May, but that she didn't

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officially leave Charlie until July. So take from that whatever

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you want, but they weren't in the best place in

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terms of their relationship. But she did say that she

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had been looking at Charlie's location because she had a

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laptop or she had Charlie's laptop, and so by looking

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into that laptop to see what he was doing for

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whatever reason she was doing that for, she told police

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that she believed he and Kayla may be in Myrtle Beach.

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Now I'm not sure exactly why she thought that. I

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don't have direct knowledge as to what she saw that

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made her think that, but that is what she shared

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with police. So they did follow that lead, but it

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turned up absolutely nothing. So by October eighteenth of twenty sixteen,

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detectives had been working the case. At this point, this

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was a month and a half in with really nothing

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to follow. So police did what they could in term

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of electronics because that would really be the only thing

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they could grasp at at this point to try to

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maybe figure something out about their last communications, and this

466
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.720
would give them there are only real thread of hope

467
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.880
that they would have to cling to, and this would

468
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:10.400
come by way of the tower where Kayla's phone last

469
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:14.400
pinged oflf of. That location was in Woodrooff, which is

470
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.039
a nearby city to where Kayla and Charlie lived. It

471
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.960
wasn't that far so Woodroff was located in upstate South Carolina,

472
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.880
and that area has this really small town feel. It's

473
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.480
got quick access to that to this nearby airport. It's

474
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.759
thirty minutes from Greenville, South Carolina, so small town charm.

475
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:41.480
But there's also vast acreage in this area. So detectives

476
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.839
decided that maybe they should go and speak with detectives

477
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:50.599
from that area about the couple's last pinged location, which

478
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.720
showed Woodroof on August the thirty first. Now tips had

479
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.440
come in as usual about the missing couple. And I

480
00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.079
don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but a lot

481
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.079
of times people call in and what they give you

482
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.200
is absolute nonsense. It has nothing to do with anything,

483
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.160
and it's just wasting time and resources. But one tip

484
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:14.440
that came out seemed awfully specific, really specific, and in

485
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.880
a very tragic way, because they call her called in

486
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.359
and claimed they had heard that the couple had been

487
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:28.160
buried on a one hundred acre property in Woodruff. That's

488
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.519
pretty damn specific as far as what happened to them.

489
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.920
It's not oh, I think I saw her at a

490
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.079
gas station. They're saying they're dead and buried. So this

491
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.759
seems not only really specific, but to be honest, kind

492
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.839
of generic at the same time, because one hundred acres

493
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.519
is a large, random ass area to look for, where

494
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.119
would you even start. I mean, needle in a haystack

495
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.799
is kind of where we're at here. So detectives decided

496
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.279
to work smarter, not harder, and they went and they

497
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.960
searched through property ownership records and they specific narrated down

498
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.160
to who owned one hundred acres. Huh, right, that was

499
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.680
pretty good. I don't even know that I would have

500
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.119
thought of that maybe I would have. I don't know,

501
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.920
but I don't think I would have. So by chance,

502
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.599
they found that there was only one one hundred acre

503
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:21.480
property within two miles of the tower in which the

504
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.440
phone had last pinged, and that property was owned by

505
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:32.720
none other than Todd Coalheb. So interestingly, warrants were signed

506
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.240
about this same time that they are figuring all of

507
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.880
this out. Warrants were signed to grant access to search

508
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.119
the Facebook history for the missing couple, and as the

509
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.599
detectives were searching through Kala's communications, they saw a few

510
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.839
messages between Kayla and Todd Coleheb, so this kind of

511
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:55.680
was making sense basically. He The communications though, were very professional.

512
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:57.559
It was I'm looking for someone to come clean up

513
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.839
some brush on my property and I'll pay you to

514
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.640
do it, and that they had some experience doing this together.

515
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.000
So detectives drove to the property to check it out.

516
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.079
But when they got there, they were met by that

517
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.839
same electric gait and chain link fencing that surrounded the

518
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.160
property that I had mentioned earlier in the story. There

519
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:20.680
was also signage too that clearly warned that trespassing would

520
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.240
be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and

521
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:25.839
this isn't odd. I don't want to make that seem

522
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.799
like it's odd. I mean, people protect their property with

523
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.880
fencing all the time. But to see further into the

524
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.759
property this would require more paperwork on behalf of police.

525
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.079
But also before they would go try to get some

526
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.079
warrants signed, they decided that they wanted to do some

527
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.519
research on the owner of the property. This Todd Colehep.

528
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.079
You never want to go knocking on a door to

529
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.960
speak with someone without knowing at least who you're dealing

530
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.359
with while you're doing your investigation, and a little research

531
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.039
on mister Colehep revealed the following He was forty five

532
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:01.880
years old, he was single, and he was an accomplished

533
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.920
real estate broker in the area. So in two thousand

534
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.160
and six is when he had gotten his real estate license,

535
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.200
and then later on, as he got the grip of things,

536
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.599
he opened col Hepn Associates real Estate, and the employees

537
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:19.640
they liked him. He was known to dominate conversations whenever

538
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.119
you would talk to him, and he was someone that

539
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.200
almost irritatingly, but he would get caught up on the

540
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:30.279
minute details of stories, specifically whenever he was talking about

541
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.519
two things he really loved. He loved airplanes and he

542
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.799
loved weapons, and he liked to talk a lot about

543
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.680
both of these topics. So that's not much to go one. Okay,

544
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.559
you like airplanes, you like weapons. You owned some property,

545
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.839
and you're a a big real estate guy. Okay, well great,

546
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.000
but there was He not only owned the one hundred

547
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.720
acre property, but he also owned a very nice home

548
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.640
in a nice neighborhood as well. So he wasn't broke.

549
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.839
It wasn't like he was some homeless vagrant running around.

550
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.720
He was an established guy. But there was one other

551
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.920
detail about him that could not be ignored, and that

552
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.759
was whenever they found out that Todd was a convicted

553
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:14.839
sex offender. But this was not from his adult time,

554
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.599
like a time as an adult. This was from his

555
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.039
teenage years when he was younger, but still it was

556
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.960
something that kind of was an interesting flag to check out.

557
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.440
So this all started back in nineteen eighty. To give

558
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.759
you a little background on this, Todd had been referred

559
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.759
to a mental health facility for his behavioral problem, specifically

560
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:37.720
in school, but also at home. He was having a

561
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.599
lot of behavioral problems. He was eight or nine years

562
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:45.880
old whenever his mother was unable to control him, which

563
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.759
is crazy to me. I will beat that ass if

564
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.279
you think that you're gonna get crazy at eight or

565
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:54.480
nine years old in my house. But he had problems.

566
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.279
So his biological father had been absent from his life

567
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.839
since he was two months old. He did not have

568
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:02.720
a relationship with him, and then one day, out of

569
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:08.960
the blue, the biological father shows up on Todd's mother's doorstep, like, hey,

570
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.640
I'm back. You know what you went out for milk

571
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.559
and forgot where you live for all these years. I

572
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.079
don't know what that was about, but when he showed up,

573
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.599
Todd got excited that his dad was back, even though

574
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.160
he didn't know him, and he wanted to go with him.

575
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.000
I want to go live with my dad. I want

576
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.559
to go live with my dad. Well, clearly his mother

577
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.599
was not willing to let that happen, and so in

578
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.400
order to make Todd want to be excited to stay

579
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.519
home and be with his mom and kind of you

580
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.000
don't need to run off with your dad that you

581
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.000
don't know, that woman went out and bought him all

582
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.519
new bedroom furniture to try to make him excited and

583
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.839
to enjoy his home. And to really like where he was.

584
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.319
So what did Todd do in response to that? Well,

585
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.519
he promptly took a claw hammer to all of this

586
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.839
brand new furniture his mother just spent the money on

587
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.640
and he destroyed it, so things would only get worse.

588
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:01.279
She was struggling with Todd constantly, and she did side finally, Okay, look,

589
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.799
i'm gonna let you go live with your dad for

590
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.160
one school year. I'm gonna let you go and we're

591
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.240
gonna try it out. That would turn out to be

592
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.039
a disaster because his dad then decided that he didn't

593
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.000
need to be supervised all the time. So his dad

594
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.680
left him alone for three days with no supervision as

595
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.680
a fifteen year old. And this is going to be

596
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:26.640
a huge mistake on his part, because fifteen year old

597
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.960
Todd then went into his dad's room and found his

598
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.000
gun and he went outside, and that's whenever he took

599
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.400
the gun and he put it to his fourteen year

600
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.559
old neighbor's head and then forced her to walk back

601
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.119
home to his house at gunpoint. And once he got

602
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.119
that little girl inside, he covered her mouth with duct

603
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.720
tape and then he tied up her hands. He completely

604
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.279
immobilized her, and then once he had her where he

605
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.319
wanted her, he raped her. When he was done, he

606
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:03.720
told her, if you say anything, if you call the police,

607
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:06.279
if you do anything other than leave this house and

608
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.920
be quiet, not only am I gonna kill your siblings,

609
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.199
But he put a knife to her throat and he

610
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.760
threatened her. So this little girl, fourteen years old, you

611
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.800
can tell you, as you can imagine, had a lot

612
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.400
of trauma happened her in a very short amount of time.

613
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.559
And this little girl, I'm gonna let you know, is

614
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.480
my hero. And you know why. It's because she had

615
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.719
did leave and then she would do exactly what that

616
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.280
psalm bitch told her not to do, and she went

617
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.480
and told exactly what happened to her. Todd was then

618
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:46.119
arrested and then he eventually went to trial. Now, Todd,

619
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.280
why did you rape this girl? What made you? What

620
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.639
would possibly make you think that that was an appropriate behavior? Well,

621
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:56.039
Todd was upset because he said that the neighbor girl,

622
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.840
he had a big crush on her, but she had

623
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.039
a crush on one of his friends and would only

624
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.840
friend zone him. So that upset him and that's why

625
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:13.119
he raped her. Unbelievable, So the court records during all

626
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:17.719
of this time show a very disturbed adolescent. He did

627
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.719
things like threatening to kill his mom. He would kill

628
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.679
his pets. He poured bleach in his goldfish bowl when

629
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:26.920
he didn't want it anymore. He wanted a hamster, so

630
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.599
he killed his other pets. He stabbed a young girl

631
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.320
in the leg with scissors on the school bus whenever

632
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.079
she made him mad. He got caught locking a boy

633
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.559
a young boy in a dog cage and was found

634
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.719
rolling the cage with the kid in it. Matter of fact,

635
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.000
when he was finally put on trial, one of his

636
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:54.519
neighbors literally called him a devil on a chain before

637
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.440
he was sentenced. And that's pretty it's pretty bold to

638
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.960
be calling a kid a devil on a chain. So,

639
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.320
although he was originally charged with sexual assault and kidnapping,

640
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.000
of course you know how this went. He was allowed

641
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:14.039
to accept a plea bargain to kidnapping. And I will

642
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.360
tell you though, this wasn't before the judge noted that

643
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.320
she was rather disgusted because it was a quote that

644
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.000
said Todd had the benefit of six years of intervention

645
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.480
in his fifteen years of life. But clearly all of

646
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.920
this had resulted in abysmal failure. So I mean since

647
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.440
he was eight years old, they had been trying to

648
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.280
get him right and nothing was working. There were hundreds

649
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.599
of pages of records on him, and overall the records

650
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.880
found him to be emotionally disturbed at minimum, and they

651
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.599
also noted when he was interviewed about by a psychologist

652
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.960
about the rape and all of this, he showed zero

653
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:56.519
remorse and he had explosive anger issues. So, after all

654
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.159
it was said and done, he was since to fifteen

655
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.840
years in prison. He served his time in an Arizona

656
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.039
prison and then he was released in two thousand and one.

657
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.320
So while Todd came across on social media and to

658
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.159
people that he was, you know, friends with in the community,

659
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.239
or that he sold houses to and all that, while

660
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.119
he came across on social media as a happy, go

661
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.519
lucky guy and a very successful realtor and business owner,

662
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.360
there really was a dark side to Todd as a teenager.

663
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.440
Who knows. Look, maybe prison had set him straight, maybe

664
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.280
he had made something of himself, because he had no

665
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.000
other sex crime convictions as an adult after his release,

666
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.559
nor any criminal record that to speak of since his release.

667
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.199
So he did this as when he was young. Maybe

668
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.559
the prison time worked for him. Police weren't sure, so

669
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.519
they wanted to speak with him in person and see

670
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.840
if they could find out about this missing couple that

671
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.039
they was last known to go work for him. They decided, though,

672
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.119
before they would go talk to him, that they wanted

673
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.360
to do a flyover of the property to see if

674
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:10.400
they could maybe identify Charlie's missing white vehicle. So as

675
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.960
vast as the property was, this was a large undertaking

676
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.320
for them to do. They also wanted to see if

677
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.320
there was anything suspicious that maybe they could see from

678
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.679
the air, like I don't know, maybe a fresh dug

679
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.800
grave or something along those lines, as morbid as that is.

680
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.119
And believe it or not, when they did the flyover,

681
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.639
they did see cars on the property, but nothing specific

682
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.119
about them could be identified, nothing really, except that none

683
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.119
of the cars they saw were white, so they didn't

684
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.639
see Charlie's car from the air. So a friend of

685
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.400
Charlie's decided to reach out to police and let them know, look,

686
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.519
something's up, because I'm starting to get strange messages from

687
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.559
Charlie's Facebook account, And what made them strange was that

688
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.719
Charlie was asking for money, and the reason he said

689
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.360
he was asking for money, was that he was trying

690
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.599
to get a drug to help him get off the

691
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.920
other drugs. The problem that the friend had with this

692
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.480
is that Charlie was never known to be a drug

693
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.079
user by anyone. He had no history of being a

694
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.119
drug user. So it just didn't sit right in the

695
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.719
way he was speaking. It just didn't seem like it

696
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.559
was Charlie. About that time, other people began coming forward

697
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.800
as well, because they were receiving strange messages too, But

698
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.719
none of the messages or the posts that were coming

699
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.360
through on Facebook were coming from Kayla's account. They only

700
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.559
came from Charlie's. This is the thing. Though, Charlie was

701
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.679
a writer, if you remember what I told you, he

702
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.519
was on his fifth novel, and in these writings that

703
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.239
were Charlie supposedly posting, there were misspelled words, including his

704
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:50.039
own name. At one point, he posted some strange stuff too,

705
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.760
like oh he and Kayla had gotten married, and just

706
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.840
some other things that were just so out of character

707
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.920
that what he was presenting online. So this would be

708
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.159
something police would need to look into, obviously, and so

709
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.840
they made note of that. Because there had been no

710
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.280
speaking on the phone with Charlie. But now we've got

711
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.440
messages coming through his social media account. Was he hacked?

712
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:14.159
We don't know what's going on. On November third, detectives

713
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.719
went and paid a visit to Todd's home, which was

714
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.199
this nice two story house in a nice neighborhood. It

715
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.079
was just a few miles down the road from that

716
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.239
one hundred acre property that Kaylin and Charlie were supposed

717
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.440
to go and clean. The house is very nice and neat,

718
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.480
very orderly. It's a red brick home from top to bottom.

719
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.679
It's got dark shutters, white trim. There's this attached garage

720
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.280
positioned off to the right of the home, this big,

721
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.400
big garage door. It's a really nice house, beautiful windows

722
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.360
on the front of the home as well. So police

723
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.639
walk up, they knock on the door, and after a

724
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.480
short second, Todd opens the door and he answers it, Hey,

725
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.159
what's going on? So he steps outside and he's dressed

726
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:58.119
in shorts and a blue T shirt. He's got on

727
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.559
flip flops and Todd was very cordial with police, but

728
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.320
clearly he was surprised to have police on his doorstep.

729
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.400
And it wasn't just one cop, it was multiple officers.

730
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.480
That were there. And he's a big man, maybe not

731
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.199
in height, but in totality, broad shoulders, large chest. He

732
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.360
was five foot ten, just shy of three hundred pounds,

733
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.719
very solid dude that they were looking at. And so

734
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.719
police explained to him that they had a search warrant

735
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.800
for his home as well as his car. And when

736
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.760
they were saying all of this, Todd's kind of looking

737
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.960
at him, and they said, look, why don't we go

738
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.840
ahead and step inside so we're not airing out all

739
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.679
your business in the streets while your neighbors are right here.

740
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.800
And so he's like, yeah, let please, let's go inside.

741
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.519
This is you know, this is kind of embarrassing. So

742
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.199
they go inside and he's standing there. He has this

743
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.960
large dog named Taz, and he was like, oh my god,

744
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.519
you know, I don't want to make my dog nervous

745
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.280
because she's really cute, y'all. She's a boxer if you care,

746
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.599
she looks like a boxer, super cute. But she peas

747
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.280
whenever she gets nervous. And so he's holding on to

748
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.320
her collar and everyone starts laughing because he's like, oh god,

749
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.480
here's my Rootio's attack dog, you know, and she peas

750
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.559
whenever she gets scared. Very nice guy, very cordial. And

751
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.519
then he says, look, y'all are scaring the hell out

752
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:10.960
of me, what is going on? Why are you here

753
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.559
with a warrant? And so they explained, look, there's this

754
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.159
missing couple. The last known location of them was with you,

755
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.719
and so obviously that's why we're here. And he agreed,

756
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.480
are you Kayla and Charlie? Yes? Absolutely, He said, I

757
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.719
hired them to come and they had to clear some

758
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.320
brush on my property. They showed up. I was giving

759
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.239
them all the stuff for them to work on the property.

760
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.840
But shortly thereafter he said, Kayla only stayed for like

761
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.760
an hour and then she left. But unbeknownst to Todd

762
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.880
the detective that he was saying this too instantly, that

763
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.480
just can't be true, or all of it can't be true.

764
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.239
And that was because her phone was pinging much later

765
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.800
off of that tower than Todd was claiming that Kayla

766
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:56.360
had left. So the timing just wasn't making sense. Now

767
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:58.960
Todd could have just had his timing off too, So

768
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.239
they just continued to talk with him and ask questions. Y'ah,

769
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.239
his body language, he's very calm, he's cordial, he's even

770
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:11.039
making jokes and nothing about his behavior is wild or

771
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.880
did he look like he was backed into a corner.

772
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.599
He wasn't sweating and shaking and anything. I mean, this

773
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.800
just was a very calm guy, answering questions hesitantly at

774
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.599
times because he's trying to figure out, I'm sure what's

775
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.079
going on. But he's seated on a stool right there

776
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.519
in his entryway of his home, and the detectives are

777
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.440
talking to him, continuing to ask him questions, and at

778
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.039
one point he got him, you know, a drink from

779
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.679
his from his cup. As there he's listening very intently

780
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.360
as they're speaking to him. And while all this exchange

781
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.199
is going on, one of the investigator's phones begins blowing

782
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.000
up call call, call, text, text, text, text, text, and

783
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:50.639
all of this is while they're just standing there talking

784
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.199
with Todd. So eventually he gets to a point that

785
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.360
he just excuses himself and he steps outside to take

786
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.159
the call. And so when he answers it and he

787
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:07.159
says hello, he is immediately advised, look, we found Kayla,

788
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:13.559
and you just, oh, no, what happened? Well, Kyla was

789
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.519
gone for two months, right, so during that time, her

790
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.119
cell phone obviously had died, so it wasn't like they

791
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.199
still had a phone that they were able to keep

792
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.679
pinging to see where it was. The technology used to

793
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.760
find her, I want you to know, wasn't the typical

794
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:33.000
GPS that most people think about whenever you're trying to

795
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.559
locate a person. That only works if the location services

796
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.239
are turned on. But Kyla's phone had been dead a

797
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.639
very long time. She had been missing for sixty five days.

798
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.079
So what investigators had done was that they got her

799
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.960
cell phone records, which indicated specifically which tower the phone

800
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.039
last pinged off of or connected with up until the

801
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.639
moment that it died. So basically, if you don't know this,

802
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.199
your cell phone is running a hidden operating system that

803
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.199
is constantly checking for the strongest signal. And as it's

804
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.280
doing this, the towers every time it's pinging a tower,

805
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.079
looking and searching for the strongest signal, the towers are

806
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.920
keeping logs of this. So what they did was the

807
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.760
law enforcement had to triangulate the phone's location based on

808
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.079
the strength of the pings between towers. And I want

809
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.400
to give a nod to police here because there was

810
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:33.159
another issue with this strategy that they were using to

811
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.679
try to find her phone. And that's because there was

812
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.519
only two towers in the vicinity that her phone was

813
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.480
pinging off of, so they couldn't fully triangulate. They just

814
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:50.119
had this really general broadened area using those two towers,

815
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.000
and they were really going off of just these generalities

816
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.000
because the phone had been dead for so long, and

817
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.000
they had completed that flyover if you remember that, and

818
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.760
they saw a building when they did that flyover, So

819
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.079
what they wanted to do was to search those buildings

820
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.400
after the warrant was signed. That was whenever they were

821
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.840
able to physically get on the property. Now that went

822
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.400
on at the exact same time that they went to

823
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.599
talk to Todd, So you can understand how the timeframe

824
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.400
is going. So what had happened to her? Had she

825
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.360
gotten lost or was she hurt and then she died?

826
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.039
You know what? How did How had they found her?

827
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:34.280
Not even close? Are those guesses. So as they had

828
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.920
entered the property and approached, they knew ahead of time

829
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.840
that there was a lot of ground to cover, so

830
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:43.199
there was multiple officers on the ground. They knew that

831
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.679
this was likely a body recovery and that she could

832
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.920
be anywhere on this on this one hundred acres. So

833
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.559
as they approached those buildings, that's where they really wanted

834
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:56.360
to start looking. They looked around for any obvious signs

835
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.840
of a disturbance or places where a person might might

836
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.840
would be. And so they're walking around the property and

837
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.440
around these buildings when they began hearing a knocking noise

838
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.639
coming from one of the buildings off to the side.

839
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.519
And it's a shipping container like on the like a

840
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.679
cargo shipping container. Now this container is forest green and

841
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.280
it's roughly the size of a school bus to kind

842
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.519
of give you dimensions of it. And it blended in

843
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.880
really well with its surroundings because it had been painted

844
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.519
kind of like a deer stand at a hunting camp

845
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.199
would It was green, but it had brown stripes throughout

846
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.840
it and all that jazz on the front of it.

847
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.840
It was locked and then it had a chain. Well,

848
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.079
they didn't have a key to it, clearly, so they

849
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.679
had to bring out power tools and they had to

850
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:47.039
cut through all of this chain and this locking mechanism,

851
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.119
and the lock wasn't easy to open either. I want

852
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.239
y'all to know that they had a handheld saw and

853
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.000
it spun and spun and sparks are flying the entire

854
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.000
time trying to cut through the lock the chain. It

855
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:05.679
took about five minutes for them to cut through that,

856
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.639
and they kept having to stop in between. One officer

857
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.760
has a mall and he's swinging this huge heavy mall

858
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.199
trying to knock a portion of the door loose even

859
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.400
though they're still trying to cut through it. Then the

860
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.440
cutting resumed. You can continually hear the saw going. You

861
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.800
can see all the sparks continue to fly. And after

862
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.920
more time was spent cutting, multiple officers then appeared and

863
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.800
they have these large bolt cutters and they're cutting at

864
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.360
the door. This took a long I watched the entire

865
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.000
video of them opening this container. It took nine minutes

866
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:44.440
and thirteen seconds of consistent sawing, mauling, and cutting before

867
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.960
they were able to open the door. But they finally

868
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.559
got it to where they can open it, and really

869
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.480
worried about what may greet them once they open it.

870
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.719
The officers backed up away from the door, minus the

871
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.280
one that was opening the door. Once he opened that door,

872
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.760
I mean just a crack or so five or more officers.

873
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.639
You see them rush into that door, guns drawn and

874
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:11.239
up and they're announcing Sheriff's office, Sheriff's office. And as

875
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:17.119
that door opened, this hot, hot air spewed out from

876
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.760
the inside, and it was dark. There was no electricity

877
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.480
or anything, so they could not see up in the building.

878
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.599
All they could feel was the heat whooshing out of

879
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.519
the building. So they turn on their flashlights and they

880
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.400
enter the container very cautiously, and they're back and forth,

881
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.079
left to right with their flashlights, even with their guns up,

882
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.320
going side to side, trying to figure out what is inside.

883
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.559
And they're walking past this shelving that they have to

884
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:47.440
walk between, and it is full of rations of dry food,

885
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.519
tons of ammunition. There was a cachet of firearms inside

886
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.559
of this building. Some of those weapons, by the way,

887
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.280
were inside a red metal toolbox like you would see

888
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.559
in an automotive shop. You'd think there'd be but it

889
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.719
was guns. And when they made it to the very

890
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.920
back of the container, there is where they found Kayla.

891
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.880
But she was alive, very limited in her movement, but

892
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.079
she was alive. It was stunning. They could not believe

893
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.800
they just came upon a live woman. But what they

894
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:26.079
saw was unbelievable. She was shackled at the ankles, which

895
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.400
were then connected to a chain which was then hooked

896
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.840
to the corner of the building of one side of

897
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.440
the building, as well as having a three foot piece

898
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.880
of chain around her neck. And I'm not talking about

899
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.000
a little bitty skinny chain like a little kid swing

900
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.760
might be on. I'm talking about some chain chain around

901
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.800
her neck, and then it had a lock on it

902
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:54.000
with a padlock, and then that chain was connected to

903
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.360
the opposite corner of the container to a hook in

904
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.679
the wall. So she's chained like a damn dog to

905
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.960
the back of this container in the dark, in the heat.

906
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.440
She's wearing gray sweatpants, she has on a long sleeved

907
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.519
black shirt, black flip flops on her feet, and she's

908
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:16.519
surrounded by unfinished plywall walls, and she's sitting atop a

909
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.679
makeshift bed. And it's kind of interesting to me that

910
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.440
I said chained like a damn dog, because that bed

911
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.960
that she's laying on, it's really thin, but it's made

912
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:31.199
of two large dog beds side by side, one gray

913
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.599
and one red. She's got a brown blanket next to her,

914
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.280
and there's a white pillow with no pillowcase. But those

915
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.880
were her luxuries that she had in this building, and

916
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:44.199
her bathroom was a bucket on the floor. It looked

917
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.360
like she had put a trash bag over it or something,

918
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.960
and it had a green air freshener sitting on top

919
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.360
of it. If you look around, what was next to her?

920
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.480
And I don't want to take away from the horrificness

921
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.039
of what the officers were seeing with this woman chained

922
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.239
up like this, but if you looked around her, there

923
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:04.639
was a camping lantern next to her, and then there

924
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.639
was a set of plastic drawers, three plastic drawers, just

925
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:11.239
like you would buy at Walmart. And inside those drawers

926
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.840
there was a jar of Jiffy peanut butter, some crackers,

927
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.199
and some bread. There was a book on top of

928
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.679
those plastic drawers that I even zoomed in to look

929
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:22.719
at it. It's called True Detectives, is the name of

930
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.000
the book. That's ironic. But this had been her home

931
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:33.039
for the last sixty five days, uncomfortably chained, scared out

932
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:37.199
of her mind. But when she heard all of those

933
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.840
people walking around that building, she decided it was time.

934
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.519
It was do or die, and she took the steps

935
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.480
of trying to save herself by banging on those walls

936
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.719
with the limited movement that she had, not knowing who

937
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.360
would be coming inside her captor with more abuse to come,

938
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.000
or her rescuers. But she knocked anyway. And he gives

939
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:01.800
me goosebumps, because that is what courage is in the flesh.

940
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.159
That is courage you to start beating on those walls

941
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.480
and say, I'm in here, please help me, please come

942
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:11.800
get me out of this building. And listening to these

943
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.559
officers and the way that they speak, I mean, when

944
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.719
I see a story unfold, it all is in color

945
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.480
to me. Whenever I'm listening and I'm hearing and I'm

946
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.320
tasting and I'm feeling what's going on. Because the first

947
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.119
thing you hear out of that officer's mouth, are you okay, honey?

948
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.960
Are you okay, honey? And then another one says, it's okay,

949
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.159
We're gonna help you. And this is a paramedic. He

950
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.719
is gonna help you. Don't worry, We're gonna help you.

951
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.480
When the police found that poor woman Kayla back there,

952
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.800
they jumped. It was almost like you knew that they

953
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.360
were trained and they were professionals, but they all jumped

954
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.079
to free her. They all wanted their hands in there

955
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.159
to try to help her. And they treated her with

956
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.159
the utmost compassion and care the entire time that they

957
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:02.239
made contact with her her hands because they had guns

958
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:04.320
drawn when they first came in there, her hands were

959
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.639
above her head in the air, and she never moved

960
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.199
them the entire time. She was so terrified. Her hands

961
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.360
were just up in the air. And one of the

962
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.360
officers even says, you can put your hands down now, sweetheart.

963
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.760
You're okay. We're here to help you. And they were

964
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.719
just so kind to her. You could hear their urgency

965
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.800
in all of their voices talking to one another. One

966
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.960
of them would say, you have a handcuff key? Who

967
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:27.719
has a handcuff key? And they're all reaching into their

968
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.880
shirts trying to grab their handcuff keys. Kayla was quiet

969
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.039
but clearly relieved as all of this was going on

970
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.400
and they're trying to uncuff her, and at the same time,

971
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.519
there's an officer in there snapping pictures. The flash of

972
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.079
that photography is going off while or doing all of this,

973
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.119
because they're trying to get pictures of the evidence of

974
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.719
what literally was going on, but not but trying to

975
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.199
be quick, you know, not trying to make a more

976
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.519
of a scene to her than they had to but

977
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:56.760
doing their job. And one officer even speaks up to

978
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.440
her about Charlie and says, hey, do you know where

979
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:03.559
your buddy is? And she gives a very direct statement.

980
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.280
It's flat what she says, but you got to understand

981
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.400
she's coming out of a serious trauma here. And when

982
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.039
they say do you know what happened to your buddy,

983
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.159
she just looks up and says, Todd colehep killed him.

984
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.000
And then she said, and you have to listen really

985
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.280
carefully to this. I would have played it for you,

986
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.880
but the audio is really bad. You have to listen

987
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:26.000
really carefully. And they're uncuffing her and she's just stated

988
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.119
that Charlie was killed, and then she says, but he

989
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.960
won't be easy to find with k nines because he

990
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.400
put red Pepper all over him. Well, first of all,

991
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.840
time out real quick. That's fucking dumb that he told

992
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.320
her that, because red Pepper might temporarily like disrupt a

993
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.119
dog doing their job, but these dogs are highly trained

994
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.840
to search through tons of different shit, Pepper not being

995
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.480
the worst of it whatsoever. Todd, but he had told

996
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:57.280
her he used red pepper and so they wouldn't be

997
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.000
able to find the bodies. I'm not saying that she

998
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.800
is dumb for saying that. I'm saying Todd's dumb for

999
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.400
telling her that. But she told them that Charlie would

1000
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.199
be hard to find. And when Cayla was removed from

1001
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.599
that container, she was met by the sheriff, And I

1002
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.559
want to tell you something. He could have said a

1003
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.079
million things to her whenever she was pulled out of

1004
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:23.760
that building, but his choice was to grab her hands

1005
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:29.800
and immediately he began to pray over her. And either way,

1006
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.320
no matter what had gone down, Cayla was alive. Thanked God,

1007
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.000
and now she was going to be on her way

1008
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:43.039
to the hospital. So understand, the detective is just learning

1009
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.440
all of this standing outside of the doorstep of Todd

1010
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:48.840
Coleheb's house. He's three feet away, so stunned by what

1011
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:54.039
he had just learned, the detective roger that he understands

1012
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.519
exactly what he's just been told. He goes back into

1013
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:00.239
the house and Todd's sitting there sipping on some coffee,

1014
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.119
slurping it and talking to the detectives, and that detective

1015
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:05.920
looks at him and says, look, we've been executing a

1016
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.360
warrant on your property. Since we've been here and we

1017
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:15.440
have Kayla. She's alive on your property, Todd, And his

1018
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:23.559
response is excuse me, feigning surprise, excuse me. So it

1019
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:25.920
was at that point that it was explained very matter

1020
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.880
of factly that not only had Caleb been found and

1021
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:33.639
was she alive, but she was talking. They knew that

1022
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:38.480
he had murdered Charlie right in front of her. And

1023
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.840
when he was confronted with this information, Todd's lack of

1024
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:47.639
reaction said everything. He just looked at them. He didn't

1025
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:50.800
jump back or what are you talking about. He just

1026
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.480
looked at them, and that's when he was told you're

1027
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.000
under arrest. He was handcuffed and he was taken straight

1028
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.039
to the local jail. So at this time, Kayla was

1029
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.559
still talking to the investigators as the ambulance drove away

1030
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.480
from the property with her in it, and she was

1031
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.960
continuing to talk, and she told her rescuers that she

1032
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.920
hadn't seen her boyfriend Charlie in a long time and

1033
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.679
her last moments with him were going to be hard

1034
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.039
to forget. If she ever was able to, she wouldn't

1035
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:24.320
be able to because what she had witnessed was something

1036
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.400
that no one should ever have to see in their lifetime.

1037
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.760
When I left off at the beginning of the story,

1038
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.280
the couple was waiting outside of that door for Todd

1039
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.920
because he had forgotten something in the building, and then

1040
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:38.519
he was going to show them to the area to

1041
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.320
clean the brush out. But what happened was when Todd

1042
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.039
walked out of that side door to greet them. Kayla

1043
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.800
now told police he had a gun in his hand

1044
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.760
when he walked back out, and it was so unexpected

1045
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.800
for him to walk out with a gun. It didn't

1046
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.079
make sense to Kayla. It was so not making sense

1047
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.159
that she almost was alarmed. She just looked at him

1048
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.159
when he came out with the gun, and she was

1049
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.559
trying to make it make sense. But as soon as

1050
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:13.480
Todd exited that doorway, Todd, this mild mannered professional man

1051
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.079
who had hired them and had paid her multiple times

1052
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.400
in the past and worked for him multiple times in

1053
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.800
the past, walked out of that door, raised the gun

1054
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.360
and just began rapid firing at Charlie right there in

1055
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.880
front of Kayla. Kayla stood there, frozen in fear, and

1056
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:33.400
she just watched like it was a like it was

1057
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:38.239
a movie. Almost She watched Todd boom, boom boom. Todd

1058
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:42.320
shot Charlie, the man that she loved, three times in

1059
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.880
the chest, right in front of her, where Charlie then

1060
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:53.159
collapsed to the ground. After he collapsed and he began

1061
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:57.280
to bleed out, he lay there gasping for air until

1062
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:01.360
his heart couldn't pump anymore, and then he stopped moving.

1063
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.039
It was over before it ever began. And after that happened,

1064
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:13.400
Charlie never moved again. So just as quickly as it happened,

1065
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.079
and she's trying to absorb it and take it in

1066
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:17.960
and look at Charlie and try to figure out what

1067
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.480
the hell just happened. That's when she felt. Todd put

1068
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:25.039
his arm around her neck like in a headlock style grab,

1069
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:31.480
and he told her go inside or you can join Charlie.

1070
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:35.960
He wasn't yelling, he wasn't sneering in her face. He

1071
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.320
was calm as a cucumber, very calm and matter of fact,

1072
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.679
like nothing had just happened. And in total shock and

1073
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.880
unable to even think, she complied with what he said.

1074
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.159
He grabbed around the neck and he just led her

1075
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:57.440
into the building. To see your love die violently and

1076
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.039
just so abruptly in front of your face. I don't

1077
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:04.679
even know how her mind could have even absorbed nor

1078
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:08.519
processed what had just occurred in that moment. I don't

1079
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.679
even know how you would do that that The shock

1080
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:16.039
was so real. Charlie knew, or Kayla knew, that Charlie

1081
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.800
was dead. But once she was inside the building, she said,

1082
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.480
her eyes remained fixed on the door, waiting for Charlie

1083
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.480
to walk back through it. She knew that that wasn't

1084
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:27.599
gonna happen, but she just kept staring at the door.

1085
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.039
This can't be real. This cannot be real. He's gonna

1086
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.559
walk through that door, and she's staring at it. But

1087
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:38.519
Charlie never walked through it. He never walked through it.

1088
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.519
So Kayla is alone in the garage with Todd, who

1089
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.880
took her over. He sat her down on the ground

1090
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:52.599
and just like he was, you know, unloading a booksack

1091
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:56.280
or unloading the groceries, he pulled out his handcuffs. He

1092
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.920
cuffed her hands behind her back. He then cuffed her ankles,

1093
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.519
and that's when he pulled out a ballgag and he

1094
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:07.079
shoved that in her mouth and tied it. I hope

1095
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.199
you're realizing what this means. When I'm telling you this too.

1096
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.360
This was all planned out. He worked at this, He

1097
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:20.079
was prepared for what he was going to do. Two people,

1098
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.599
two innocent people looking to do an honest day's work

1099
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.320
and make a little money, had just turned in to

1100
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.519
one being murdered and god knows what hell awaits the

1101
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:36.239
other one. The ballgag. Don't miss that, the ballgag in

1102
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.519
this woman's mouth, y'all. She was half a mile into

1103
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.760
the woods where no one would have heard her scream

1104
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.199
if they wanted to. So you tell me why a

1105
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:49.639
ballgag was necessary. And something else to note is that

1106
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.800
Kayla was originally going to bring someone else with her

1107
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.960
that day to work on the property, but Todd had

1108
01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:00.119
told her, you know what, if Charlie can't come, just

1109
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.599
just come another day. I want you to bring Charlie

1110
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:06.519
with you. And she said, oh okay, and that's when

1111
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.519
Todd had explained to her, Look, this is my personal property.

1112
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.679
I don't feel comfortable having just anyone here. I want

1113
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:13.719
to have people that I know on my property. Oh sure,

1114
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:19.360
no problem. And so it made sense, and so they

1115
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.840
switched things around so that Charlie could come with her.

1116
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.840
But now it was just clear as day he wanted

1117
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:30.960
to kill Charlie and he wanted Kayla to watch it.

1118
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:38.079
But why, why what is going on? Well that would

1119
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:43.360
be answered because Todd would tell her why. He told

1120
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.360
her it's easier to control people when you take somebody

1121
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:54.000
they love. Now, this all took place while Kayla remains

1122
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:58.519
hand and legcuffed on the ground, and Todd walked over

1123
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.239
and plopped himself down in a chair to have a

1124
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.880
chat with her. And he started talking to her almost

1125
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.960
as if they were in a staff meeting, and he

1126
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.400
opened with an apology his meeting. He opened with an apology.

1127
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.079
Sorry I had to kill Charlie, but I just need

1128
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.320
you to know how serious I am. And it's easier

1129
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.960
to control you if you take somebody you care about.

1130
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:24.119
And then he fussed at Kayla. He fussed at her

1131
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:26.440
and told her, you know, you should have known better.

1132
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.440
I'm obviously a killer. I mean, I do this for

1133
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:34.760
a living. You should have known better to insult her,

1134
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.159
as if you know she already I'm sure was feeling

1135
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.400
just horrified because she had brought Charlie with her. And

1136
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.239
now you're chastised the murderer. It's going to chastise her

1137
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:46.280
telling her that she should have known better. But then

1138
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.920
he said, but you know what, there's just something special

1139
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:53.079
about you, And he tells her, I think you know,

1140
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.119
I'm gonna just be breaking all of my personal rules

1141
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.239
because I'm going to be keeping you alive. Yeah, I'm

1142
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.599
gonna keep you alive, he did tell her, though I

1143
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.039
haven't made my mind up yet whether I'm gonna kill

1144
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.039
you or sell you, but for now, I'm gonna keep you.

1145
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:12.440
I don't know what that must feel like, but I

1146
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.800
don't know that. I wouldn't rather be killed in that

1147
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.000
moment than hear someone say I don't know what I'm

1148
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:18.559
gonna do with you, but I think I'll keep you

1149
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:23.400
after seeing what he's capable of. So as this involuntary

1150
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:28.400
staff meeting wrapped up, Todd very calmly stated, I'm gonna

1151
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.320
go take care of Charlie now, and he walked out

1152
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:36.440
of the building. So when he went outside, he took

1153
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:39.679
Charlie's freshly murdered body, still laying on the ground, and

1154
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.719
wrapped him up in a blue tarp. And that's when

1155
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.159
he went back inside, and he got Kayla bound by

1156
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:48.840
the feet, bound by the hands, and gag in her mouth.

1157
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.440
He brought her out and he walked her right past

1158
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.840
Charlie's body in the tarp, and he made her shuffle

1159
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:02.440
like a penguin over to the green storage container that

1160
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:04.599
she had seen whenever she had first pulled up to

1161
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.639
come clean the property, and he opened it up. She

1162
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.440
doesn't know what's inside. It's pitch black, and so he

1163
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:14.119
leads her by flash by flashlight, passed those shelvings full

1164
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.679
of the rations and the AMMO straight to the back.

1165
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:21.079
He didn't unshackle her either whenever he brought her back there.

1166
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:24.199
He kept the ballgag in her mouth. But that's when

1167
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:26.679
he grabbed that three foot piece of chain, chained it

1168
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.599
around her neck, connected her neck to one corner, and

1169
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:34.960
then connected her feet to the other corner. After he

1170
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:38.400
had her completely immobilized by wrist and ankle and neck

1171
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:42.360
and she spread apart on either side of the container,

1172
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.320
he then confronted her and said, look, I need to

1173
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.480
get some information from you, and she's just staring at

1174
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.239
him like what am I possibly going to be able

1175
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.599
to give you? And he wanted the passwords to both

1176
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.679
her phone and Charlie's phone, and he also wanted their

1177
01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.559
Facebook passwords, which the ballgag was removed and she gave him.

1178
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.320
So once she was secured and he got the information

1179
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:09.360
that he wanted, he turned around, walked out, shut the door,

1180
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:14.840
and locked it. And that's when there was straight silence.

1181
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.480
And y'all, it's August when this happened. It's hot as hell.

1182
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.639
She's in the pitch black, uncomfortably chained, scared out of

1183
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:29.719
her mind, just saw her boyfriend murdered. The unknown of

1184
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.480
what was to come had to be unbearably distressing, not

1185
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:37.079
to mention the trauma of what she had just gone through.

1186
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.320
So as she's chained in this building, that's whenever Todd

1187
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.719
loaded Charlie into the bucket of a backo like dead cattle,

1188
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.639
and just drove off to the back of his property.

1189
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.719
He dumped him out of the bucket, dug a hole,

1190
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.559
then he rolled Charlie back into the hole, and then

1191
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.039
he filled it back in with the dirt that he

1192
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.880
had just pulled out with not as much as a

1193
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:08.519
kind word for his departed soul. Todd then returned to

1194
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.679
the container a couple hours later, and that's whenever he

1195
01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:13.800
decided he was going to start laying out the rules

1196
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:18.479
for his new captive, Kayla. He told her if you

1197
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:21.760
fight back, I'll kill you. If you try to hurt me,

1198
01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:25.920
I'll kill you. If you try to run away, i

1199
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.000
will kill you. And once he got all of that

1200
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.359
out of the way, he moved on to his next goal,

1201
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:36.119
which required Kayla to remove her clothes, and that is

1202
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:41.960
when he first raped her. Strangely, though, while he is

1203
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:48.520
doing this act to her, he was acting as if

1204
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:54.760
he almost wanted Kayla to enjoy their time together, like

1205
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:58.560
he cared that she was enjoying herself. If you can

1206
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.479
even imagine. All Kayla could think of, though, was her

1207
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.720
Charlie and how scary this man on top of her was.

1208
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.920
But this guy's acting like that's in the past. This

1209
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:15.039
repulsive behavior, by the way, would continue for the next

1210
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:19.399
sixty five days that she was missing. He would rape

1211
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:25.239
her multiple times a day, and his behavior during this

1212
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:30.319
time was like that of an infatuated schoolboy. So while

1213
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:34.720
he's violating her in ways that no woman should ever experience,

1214
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.560
and he's treating her like a sex slave, he acted

1215
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.359
as though he may actually care about her, if you

1216
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.279
can even believe that, as if her needs or her

1217
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:49.600
wants were something that he contemplated. I mean, if she

1218
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:51.560
could just get over the murder and the kidnapping and

1219
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.239
the chaining like a dog and being raped in a

1220
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:57.479
storage container. He cared and at one point, and I

1221
01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.000
know this, let me tell you why I know that

1222
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:01.439
to be true. At at one point he told her

1223
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:05.319
that once she calmed down, that they could just be together.

1224
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:09.840
She just needed to quote wait for the Stockholm syndrome

1225
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:14.680
to set in, end to quote, the convoluted thinking of

1226
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.039
this animal is so twisted. And if you want some

1227
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:19.800
insight to what he meant, I'm gonna give it to

1228
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.560
you real quick. Stockholm syndrome. That's a psychological phenomenon when

1229
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.800
a person who's been held captive or they've been subjected

1230
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.840
to abuse, if they begin to develop positive feelings or

1231
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:34.520
somewhat of like an emotional attachment to their captor. And

1232
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.960
this came from a nineteen seventy three bank robbery. This

1233
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:41.439
was in Stockholm, Sweden, and that's when these hostages were

1234
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:44.640
taken over and taken hostage for a few days at

1235
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.880
a bank, and then while the police were attempting to

1236
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:51.479
rescue them the victims here, the hostages began to almost

1237
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.039
align with their kidnappers ideology. And I wanted to give

1238
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:57.159
you some examples so you could understand how or why.

1239
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.680
So one of the hostages she began to shit in

1240
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:02.720
the bank vault where that he was holding her, and

1241
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:05.560
the bank robber put his jacket around her shoulders because

1242
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:08.000
she was cold and kind of like rubbed her shoulders

1243
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:10.079
to warm her up. And then there was another one

1244
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.960
that was complaining, I'm claustrophobic, it's getting to me. He

1245
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.520
allowed her to walk out of the bank vault. He

1246
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.840
had her attached to a thirty foot rope, but he

1247
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:20.840
let her walk out. And that same hostage that he

1248
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:22.960
let walk out on the rope when the incident was

1249
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.880
over and they were questioning her, her quote was that

1250
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.479
she thought it was very kind of him to allow

1251
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.760
her to leave the vault. So I hope it gives

1252
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:32.800
you a little insight to how like, oh, he's being

1253
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.159
nice to me, he's kind of he's being kind, he

1254
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:38.560
cares if I'm cold. Now we know that's convoluted, but

1255
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.039
that's how they felt. And they were even on a

1256
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:44.039
first named basis with their captor by the second day.

1257
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.079
So at one point a police I believe was like

1258
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.439
a captain or something came in. He wanted proof of

1259
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:50.359
life to kind of to assess what was going on,

1260
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:52.800
and so the robber let him come in to put

1261
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:55.680
eyes on him, and while he was in there, they

1262
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.880
were very relaxed around their captor, but acted hostile to

1263
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:04.920
towards the cop. Very bizarre situation. But it's not mental illness, y'all.

1264
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.479
It's a coping mechanism. It's the brain's way of trying

1265
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:11.319
to make itself feel better and say it's gonna be okay.

1266
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:16.039
This is exactly what Todd was telling Kayla would eventually

1267
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:22.239
happen when he's being a murdering rapist. He says that

1268
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.560
they would eventually become friends and even lovers, and that

1269
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:29.239
he would take care of her. It's insane, but in

1270
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.840
his mind, this was all a means to an end.

1271
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:34.920
The long game was for her to love him and

1272
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.600
to appreciate him for the things he was going to

1273
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:42.399
do for her. Todd even at one point did take

1274
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.119
their cell phones and he drove around a while and

1275
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.760
he said he was texting random people, and then he

1276
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.239
told Kyla, oh, eventually threw your phones out out of

1277
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.760
a window while it was driving. That wasn't all though, y'all.

1278
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:57.159
He continually told Kayla over the fifty four days that

1279
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:01.000
he held her as his sex slave and chained to

1280
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.000
a building. And it was almost with a sense of pride.

1281
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:08.560
You know, I've killed more people. And he babbled on

1282
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.640
and on and on about how he had sold women

1283
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:12.439
in the past to other countries. But I'll tell you

1284
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:14.960
something I found kind of interesting too, Kayla said, for

1285
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.319
some reason, though she thought he was lying about that.

1286
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.640
About the part of selling women to other countries. She

1287
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.039
wholeheartedly believed the other stuff, but that part, she was like, yeah,

1288
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.520
I didn't believe him. She was with him long enough

1289
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.600
that she picked up on the fact of when she

1290
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:32.079
thought he was lying. Think of sixty five days of

1291
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:35.479
being chained in a building as a sex slave. And

1292
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.640
at the hospital, Kayla knew that she was safe. Okay,

1293
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.239
she's not stupid. She knew that she was safe when

1294
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.239
she got into the hospital, But she said it wasn't

1295
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:48.039
until the face of her mama came bounding through that

1296
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:51.520
door that she really lost it. There is no other

1297
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:54.600
feeling in the world that screamed safety more than your

1298
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.640
loving mama running to you and grabbing you into her arms.

1299
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.279
I don't care how old you are. The relief of

1300
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.960
that must have been just unbelievable. And when she hugged

1301
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.800
her mama, the realization set in that she really was

1302
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.319
rescued and that she was safe from this monster who

1303
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.800
had kept her captive. And as she lay there in

1304
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:20.439
the safety of her hospital bed, Caylea thought about the

1305
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.079
day in and the day out, bragging that Todd did

1306
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:28.119
to her as if she was his confidant or something.

1307
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.920
He just would go. He would just talk. He would

1308
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:34.079
talk about his status as a serial killer, and even

1309
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:36.159
claimed at one point that he was a mass murderer.

1310
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:40.399
What was lies and what wasn't At this point, who knew.

1311
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:46.479
One thing that was truth was that Charlie's car had

1312
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.640
been found, just as Todd had claimed to her in

1313
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.920
the past. He told her that he had hidden it

1314
01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.600
and the police had located his vehicle. This is why

1315
01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.159
they hadn't seen it from above though. He had spray

1316
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.359
painted it brown and all of that and hidden it

1317
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:04.159
under a big pile of brush on his property and

1318
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:07.920
it blended in with the surroundings. Something else that they

1319
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:12.000
had found would turn heads as well. Police found a

1320
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:16.600
makeshift grave and they went to exhume the body. But

1321
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:23.800
much to police surprise, the person that they exhumed wasn't Charlie.

1322
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:27.279
Had Todd been telling the truth to Kayla about his

1323
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.199
serial killer status? Because who was this body that they

1324
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:35.640
just found? Now a whole new can of worms had

1325
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:39.359
just been opened up. Where was Charlie and whose body

1326
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:42.239
was this? Police were ready to go talk to Todd

1327
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:44.439
cohep and see what he had to say about all

1328
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.840
of this, and lucky for them, Todd was more than

1329
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.880
willing to talk. So I want you to be prepared

1330
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.239
for part two next week because this dude's gonna be

1331
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:55.640
strutting around like a peacock with all the impact of

1332
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:56.439
a damn pigeon.