March 17, 2025

Takedown: Chris Hansen and Sheriff Jason Ard Talk Predators with KJ

Takedown: Chris Hansen and Sheriff Jason Ard Talk Predators with KJ

In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ speaks with the one and only Chris Hansen and Livingston Parish Sheriff Jason Ard about what they are doing to catch sexual predators. 

Takedown with Chris Hansen can be found here:...

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Season 7

In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ speaks with the one and only Chris Hansen and Livingston Parish Sheriff Jason Ard about what they are doing to catch sexual predators.

Takedown with Chris Hansen can be found here:
https://www.watchtrublu.com/takedown-with-chris-hansen

#takedown #chrishansen #predator #unspeakable #sheriffjasonard

Timestamps
01:46 The Perils of Predators
02:09 An Interview with Chris Hansen
05:36 The Reality of Grooming
09:21 The Need for Proactive Measures
11:09 The Cycle of Offenders
15:19 The Threat of Blackmail
19:07 The Importance of Communication
22:34 Meeting Chris Hansen
24:21 The Sting Operation Explained
27:37 The Everyday Reality
32:15 The Challenge of Prevention
36:23 The Danger of Recidivism

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here, back for another episode of Unspeakable. And Guys,

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I really wish I was in front of you literally

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and you are sitting with me right now, and you

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could see the absolute joy on my face because this

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week I did something that I guess I never really

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imagined would come true or would happen, and that I

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guess if you're a true crime lover and you've always

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been interested invested in the in the subject of true crime,

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that maybe you would be You're gonna be excited for

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me too, I think, right, because we're all friends here,

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but it's gonna senter around sexual predators. Okay, Now, something

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everything that we should all be concerned about. This is

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an issue that everyone should worry about, specifically when it

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comes to kids, because even if you don't have your kids,

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guys predators, they'll they'll pick on anybody. They've got predators

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that prefer children, Predators that prefer old people, Predators that prefer,

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you know, crimes of opportunity when they can just snatch somebody.

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This affects everyone. You have daughters, you have sons, you

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have nephews and cousins, and so it always matters. I mean, hell,

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this is why in prison, even the damn inmates in

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prison who may have murdered someone, don't like sexual predators

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because it affects everybody. And I had the opportunity of

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a lifetime to sit down with the one and only

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Chris Hansen and discuss this very issue recently, which I'm

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going to share with you today, and you're going to

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get to hear every bit of it. Now. Before I

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start playing it though, I want to just point out

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that it's bad enough that we have adults that are

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preyed on by opportunists, but when it comes to children,

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the thought and the grooming that is involved in what

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these predators do is simply unconscionable. It's legitimately disturbing on

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a level that I think most of us can't even

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identify with our brains, won't even let it go there.

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And this is why I've always been intrigued by the

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process of catching predators, diving into quote unquote their world

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and observing what they do as they do it. And

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this has always been the driving force behind the reason

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that I loved watching shows like to Catch a Predator.

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That's what was big when I was younger and really

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made you go, oh my god, this is real. How

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is this happening? People really do this? It was unbelievable. Well,

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Chris Hansen became a household name under this very premise,

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and he's somebody that I admire so much. He's dedicated

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majority of his professional life catching these very people that

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we fear, but they walk amongst us every single day.

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And I absolutely loved, and I know a lot of

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people do because it was so famous, But loved watching

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him tell these men to have a seat when he

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would walk out and they were unsuspecting. Oh my god,

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these men would show up for what they thought was

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going to be an uninterrupted fun. I guess if that's

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what we're gonna call it with a young teen, and

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then to watch them squirm under his very direct questioning.

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It's just something that I just love watching people be

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held accountable almost instantaneously for the evil that they had

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shown up to do. And then of course they lie

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and they deflect, and the best part is that they're

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only met with the very direct quotes from the conversations

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that they were having with these kids, or who they

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thought were kids. They thought they were holding these conversations

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with minor children, but obviously was actually an adult decoy

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on the other end of the internet, an adult pretending

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to be a kid online, and these unconscionable conversations with

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kids and their explicit photos of their adult bodies that

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they had shared and sent these children just getting thrown

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back in their face. It's pure magic to watch it happen.

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always have some sort of excuse or victim blaming that's

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gonna follow, which I can't tell you. The anger that

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just it burns a fire in me that an adult

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could turn around and then say that it was somehow

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the child's fault, that what was happening you know, the

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kid led them to where they are today that they're

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blaming a teen that presumptively, if this was a real teen,

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is presumptively one with little to no parenting or guidance,

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or this is a kid that maybe has a curiosity

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about sex that's never been spoken about and they haven't

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been taught about the dangers. And that's the reality. You

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would think that everyone's been taught, and they haven't. I've

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been in schools with teenagers a long time, seventeen years,

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and they have not been taught the things that they

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need to know. I'm telling you all the while, a

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grown ass adult, a forty fifty year old man. And

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I'm saying men, not because there aren't female predators. There

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absolutely are, but majority of the time they're male offenders

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that we see this happen to on these shows, or

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not happened to that cause this to happen to them.

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But they're grown men that are now sheepish all of

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a sudden want to turn around and oh, I wasn't

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going to do anything. I just you know, I don't

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know the guys. I cannot relate with you. I just can't.

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You got in your vehicle after you sent explicit photos

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to a child, a kid, someone's kid. And a lot

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of times these guys their parents themselves, they have children

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of their own, so it's okay for them to go

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out and abuse someone else's kid. But they're a dad,

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I'm a parent. Oh, this is not something I would

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normally do. Really, it isn't really because you drove here.

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Sometimes they drove states away, states away to come defile

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a child. It's just give me a break, that is

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all I can say. Give me a break. Oh, I

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shouldn't have done this. This is a one time thing. No,

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it's not. No, it's not. And these predators, y'all, they

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come from all walks of life, from school employees to

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Sonic workers to delivery people. By the way, I'm not

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but I'm not calling out Sonic specifically. I'm just given

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an example. I'm not saying that these people actually work there,

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but they could at restaurants, okay, all lusting for our children.

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They walk around in stores and their eyes. You know,

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you can't stop what people see, but it makes you

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just wonder when you're walking through Walmart with your kids,

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and are they watching your child, your baby? Are they

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watching them with a desire for my child, for my baby.

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You look at that as a sex object. The fuck

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is wrong with you. And so now parenting has become

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so difficult in this age of technology. It's hard for

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all of us. If you're a teenager that's listening to

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this guys, you gotta be smart. The internet is not

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the place to be meeting people. These guys will, they'll

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come to you, and they don't strike you as this

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creeper that jumps out of the bushes. They look like

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everyday people because they are every day people, and they're

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lusting after these kids online, clearly having been told multiple

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times during these sting operations. Multiple times they have been

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told the underage status of this decoy, saying they're fourteen,

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multiple times, and the predators still take debate every single time.

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These people are willing to pull up to apartment complexes,

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call these kids, ask them where to park, ask them

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where do I go, knowing the entire time they are

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going to take someone's child and rape. I mean, I

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look at it as a rape. You know, it's a ray,

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it's a child. They cannot consent, and you know that

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these people know that, and they still do it. It's unbelievable.

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But the reality is that this has been a successful

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method of catching creditors for over twenty years, for Chris Hansen.

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Twenty years. That's the entire lifespan of a kid to

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an adult, you know, a whole generation. And we're still

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catching them here in twenty twenty five by doing these

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sting operations. And that should tell you something. They are

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not going to stop. This will not stop. We have

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got to be proactive. We have to remain proactive, and

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we as a society have got to remain pissed off.

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These kids are our kids. They're not mine, they're not yours,

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they're not your neighbor's daughter, They're our kids. It takes

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a village, it takes all of us. And this is

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just one snippet, one tiny piece of what it takes

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to protect our kids. And although this has been a

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form of entertainment, okay, catching those and by entertainment, I

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don't mean the thought of abusing a child. I mean

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catching those who think they are slick and they think

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that they're doing this under the cloak of the internet. Okay,

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there remains the reality of the fact that they absolutely,

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one hundred percent would have followed through with the sex

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act with the child. Had these not been sting operations,

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and you cannot let that go. Sometimes people go, oh, well,

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you know, thank god they didn't actually get to go

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through with anything because it was a sting. Yeah, but

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they would have, they would have. You know, it's just

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mind blowing. Some of these guys show up at these

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sting operations, Oh, I'm going to do a thing, and

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then when they empty their pockets when they arrest them,

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they've got condoms, they've got lubricant. You go in their

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car and they've got all sorts of stuff and they

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want to do this to your kid. They I mean,

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don't sit on this. Do don't go man, that's terrible.

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This happens to other people because it happens to us,

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me and you, and something I wanted to point out,

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and I am going to play the interview you, but

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I want to point this out. There's been a lot

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of study about this behavior, and the truth is that

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these people may be sad or they may be sorry

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when they get caught. Okay, in the moment when you're

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watching them, Oh god, I shouldn't have done this. One guy, Yeah,

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one guy in these episodes. My mom's gonna see this. Yeah,

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your mom's gonna see this. She sure is. And you're

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upset because people are gonna find out who you really are.

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You're about to disappoint everyone in your life and they

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should be disappointed in you. How dare you? But the studies,

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even though these people get sad and they're sorry when

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they get caught, the long term stats are not as

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convincing as their sob stories. And I want you to

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hear me on this. I looked at two different studies.

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I didn't go in depth and pull a whole bunch

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of them because this is not you know, this isn't

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a college lecture, but I do want to tell you this.

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One of them that I looked at said they're finding

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showed forty two percent of the offenders that they've followed

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after release were reconvicted for sexual crimes, violent crimes, or both.

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So that should tell you that these guys are very

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capable of violence alongside of being an absolute pervert. That

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is scary to me. Another one I looked at they

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followed two hundred and fifty one sex offenders, which to

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me is just mind blowing that we can have two

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hundred and fifty one sex offenders. But hell, if you

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go search sex offenders in your area, guys and every

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sheriff's department a nationwide there should have a place where

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you can go search and see the sex offenders in

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your areas. Matter of fact, I want to challenge you

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go to your local sheriff's office website wherever you live.

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For example, if you live near me Livingston Parashriff's office,

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I believe it's dot org. But you go to Livingston

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Para Sheriff's Office and then there's a place on there

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that says sex offenders. Click on that you can put

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your home address in and then click search and it'll

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show you all the sex offenders around you. Yes, this

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is an absolute true story. Yesterday, from the date that

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I am filming this, my husband and I we had

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the kids in the car. We were heading down to

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go somewhere and I saw this guy walking down the

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road right outside of my neighborhood by the way, and

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I turned around and I looked at him and I

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said sex offender. I told my husband, I said that

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is a sex offender, and he kind of looked at

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me like Okay, I said, no, I'm telling you. And

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the reason I know is because I teach this every

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single year, and I know his face like the back

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of my hand. And about five years ago, a friend

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of mine in my neighborhood messaged me while she was

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in a local walmart right next to where we live,

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and she said, this guy seems to be following my son.

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She said, I'm like noticing it. It's weird. And I said, well,

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send me a picture. She sent me a picture of him.

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I said, oh, my god, that's him. He stands out

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like a sore thumb because he has bright red hair

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and a bright red mustache. They're everywhere. They are everywhere.

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They are walking in your neighborhoods, they're walking their dogs.

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Y'all pay attention, be proactive. Talk to your kids about it.

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Show them where they live, of show them, tell them

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don't ever go near this house. But they followed. In

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this study, two hundred and fifty one sex offenders, one

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hundred and thirty six of them were rapists and one

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hundred and fifteen of them were child molesters, and they

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followed them. They were discharged from prison over a twenty

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five year period. Twenty five years and the findings of

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their study showed that both rapists and child molesters. Both

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of them remain at a very substantial risk of reoffending

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even long after their release. In some of the cases

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they followed, these sex offenders reoffended fifteen to twenty years later,

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but they still reoffended. And something that they stated very

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clearly too, was that overall, they said they were honest

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in the study, overall, there was a very large underestimation

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of how many they belie would reoffend based on the

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factors at hand. Even the people studying it underestimated how

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many of them would reoffend. That should tell you a

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lot about the risk we take when these people are

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loose in our society. Do you want to take that

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risk of this person near you or your children? Because

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I don't. That said, another huge issue that we are

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facing this country today is blackmail via the internet, and

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they focus on young people and guys. If you're listening,

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let your kids listen to this episode. Let them listen

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to it if you feel comfortable. If you feel so led,

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maybe you listen to it first. But I want to

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tell you something. This is happening more and more and more,

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and I'm going to tell you a quick story about

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a case in my parish. And by the way, I

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knew this offender personally, as in I'm not going to

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disclose how I know them just for there's a lot

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of reasons why. But I would have never The age

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this offender is the issue. The offender is eighteen, Okay,

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So I knew this offender personally. I spent a lot

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of time with this offender in the capacity of the

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role that I was in, and I would have never

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guessed this in a million years, which is a common

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thing about these predators. And that's what we have to

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let our kids know. It's people that you know, it's

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people that you spend day in and day out with.

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Matter of fact, one of the predators, real quick, I know,

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I'm flashing sideways. One of the predators in this show

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I'm going to tell you about at the end with

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Chris Hansen, my next door neighbor, worked with him. His

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jaw hit the floor. He said, we couldn't believe it.

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That's how common this is. But this, this predator that

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I'm talking about, was an eighteen year old male and

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what he would do was he was making friends online

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via Snapchat and other apps with young boys and girls,

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and he would talk normally with them. Okay, he would

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be a bit forward in some of the conversations, but

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all the while just being friendly and joking and but

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showing interest, you know, like people do young people on

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on Snapchat do, but lowering their guard just minute by

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minute because oh he's so funny, he's so normal, he's

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so whatever. And of course it would it would delve

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into sexual stuff, and he would ask for nudes or

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other explicit material. And if his victim said no, you

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would think that that would shut it down. That's where

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you're wrong, hear me out heed what I'm telling you.

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If the child said no, this is where it got

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extremely devious. He had focused on kids and young teens

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so that he could see their locations one Snapchat, because

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that's what teenagers do. They show their location so they

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can and they want to see where other people are.

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And that's the downfall. Parents want to be able to

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see their kids, but they've got to ghost everybody else

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as far as what their location is. Because what this

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guy would do is see their location on Snapchat. He

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would see where they lived, screen shot it, go oh

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hey what are you doing? Oh I'm at home right

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while they're whatever, and once he realizes they're at home,

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get that location, screen shot it, and then send it

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to them and say, you send me the pictures or

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I'm gonna come kill your entire family. Sometimes they never

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even sent the pictures, but they still now were scared

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out of their minds and they're wrapped up in a

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situation that they cannot explain to their parents. They don't

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know how it got here, and they maybe shouldn't have

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been saying some of the stuff they were saying with

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this stranger online. But now they're caught, and now they see,

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oh my god, this person knows where I live, and

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if I don't send these photographs, they're gonna come kill

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my family. And they feel alone, and we have to

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tell our kids you're never alone. You are never alone.

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You messed up, sure, but you are not alone. So obviously,

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these kids in these situations feel like they have to comply,

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and I think that's just something that we're lacking in.

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We've got to tell our kids, Look, you screw up, okay,

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but don't you ever feel alone, because you're not. And

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I'm here with you. I just saw yesterday on TikTok.

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You know how we all mindlessly scroll I just saw

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yesterday on TikTok TikTok a representative speaking out. I don't

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remember who he was or whatever. I just remember being

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drawn in by the story. But his own son had

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been victimized by this very tactic and he committed suicide.

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His son committed suicide because he felt like he was

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alone and he was embarrassed and he was scared. And

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this is places like Nigeria. This predator, if I remember correctly,

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was in Nigeria. They know no bounds. They will extort,

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they will blackmail, they will do whatever it takes to

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get these images so that they can sell them online

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or they can make money. And that's why today I

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am just beyond proud to share with you my interview

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with mister Chris Hansen himself. Also Livingston Parish Sheriff Jason

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Ard worked alongside him and they did some catching predators

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in my area and it's an eye opening experience to

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say the least. But I want to tell you too,

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you can go watch these episodes of the Takedowns. You

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can go watch them. It's on True Blue TV. And

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I what I did is I got the apple on

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my phone and I watched the episodes through my phone.

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I'm gonna put the link though in the show notes

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so that you can go find the show too. If

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you want to go watch the episodes, there's gonna be

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a bunch of them, but only two at the time

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of this recording, only two have been released so far,

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but they're dropping each week. You're gonna want to make

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sure you go to season twelve. Season twelve is where

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you're gonna see the Livingston Parish Sheriff's office and the

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takedowns with Chris Hansen. And by the way, if you've

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been a longtime listener of my show, you're gonna want

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to pay attention to something when you go watch this.

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If you're new, so thrilled to have you, but you

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need to go listen to the episode Nineteen Day Devil.

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It's a multi part. You need to go listen to

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it because listen to this, you're gonna see Captain Calvin

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Bowden in the episodes. Okay, he specifically pointed out in

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the second one of Livingston Parish, and I want you

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to know that he is the very detective from the

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Nineteen Day Devil episodes, that is the very man himself

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who hunted down and found the guy who murdered my

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friend's two children and her ex husband. He is the

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guy that you're gonna see take these son of a

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bitches down. One guy. He knocks him smooth out of

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his flip flops, taking him down when he tries to run.

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It's epic. Okay, So if you want to go put

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a face to a name, you need to go check

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it out and look for Calvin. I'm just proud to

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be his friend. I'm proud of everything that he's accomplished

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and he's doing. He's fighting the good fight for all

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of us, and it's awesome. So, without further ado, I

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hope you enjoy this interview as I personally crossed off

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a bucketless challenge of my own. I'm tickled pink, and

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all of this was made possible by you, my listeners,

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because you have made this show what it is today

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and I'm just beyond honored and blessed. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here back for another episode of Unspeakable, and today

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is one of the best days I think I've had

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in a long time because I'm here with two people

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that I really look up to and that I have

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spent a lot of time with over the last I

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would say fifteen years at minimum, watching, trusting in and

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believing in their missions. And I'm so proud to let

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y'all know that I'm sitting here with the one and

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only mister Chris Hansen. How are you doing today? I'm fantastic.

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This is just a dream come true.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yes, sir. And then I've got Sheriff Jason Ard with

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me as well, which everyone knows has been a huge

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supporter of me throughout the years, everything from doing all

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the training for me whenever I became commissioned with the

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Sheriff's office, through education because I've been a teach year

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as we all know, for many many years. He's been

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a huge supporter of my program, and just it means

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a lot that we have the local support from you.

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And I just want to tell you, in front of

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everybody how much it means to me that you.

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I appreciate that, I appreciate that you make it very

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easy for us to support you. We like your mission,

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we like what you're doing.

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Just keep it up, yes, sir. I will now recently

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y'all got together and y'all did a sting operation to

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try to catch some predators correct.

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Oh, we sure did. Yeah, And in the course of

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three days working with Sheriff Hard and his incredible team here,

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we caught eleven men trying to sexually exploit children, some

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here from this parish and some who traveled long distances

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to get.

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Here just the time to come in and drive specifically

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for the purpose of underaged children, which you were so good.

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I watched the episode online and True Blue correct.

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True Blue is our network, trublu watch true Blue dot

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com for details and the show is take Down with

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Chris Hansen. So we've got I think like one hundred

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and twenty new episodes on True Blue.

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Yeah, lots of seasons. It was like twelve seasons, I believe.

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When I went and I watched, and something that struck

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me and this is coming from my mama's heart. On

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the intro of the video from our local from our parish,

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the first thing that comes in if you go watch this,

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and I want you all to get my listeners, go

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watch this episode. But there were some pink slippers excuse me,

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white slippers with a pink bow on them on the

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floor as it panned into the setup. And my daughter

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has those very same slippers. So from the get go.

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I'm thinking, my god, these could be my kids. That's

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the shoes, you know, And so it really drew me

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in and I got to thinking about what my day

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is like day to day. So I want to point

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this out real quick, and you tell me what you think.

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So my day starts with the fact that I get

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up in the morning and I go and I teach

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criminal justice to students. And then I go in the

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lunch room where I get lunch and it served to

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me by the wonderful cafeteria workers that are there. And

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then after school, I jump in my car, I go

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swing by Sonic and I get me a ice cold

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slushy I like the strawberry slushie. Before I go to

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the podcast studio to go podcast with Gym. And while

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I'm there, I'm usually working on my phone and I'll

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text my daughters and I'll say, hey, can y'all pick

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up the packages that were delivered on the front porch

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so that you know nobody steals them? And then I

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come home and we have dinner and it's just like

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a normal day. And the reason I point that out

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is because I looked at the list of predators that

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you caught over the sting time. One of them was

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a school food worker, one of them was going to

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school for criminal justice. One of them was a lawn

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care worker, which we have lawn people that come by

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and take care of our yard. One of them was

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a distributor and delivered drinks and.

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You know, in contact with people every day.

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Every single day. One of them was a delivery man.

462
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:02.160
And so I'm looking at in people's homes and I'm

463
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.839
thinking about the fact that this is my life. This

464
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:09.160
is not this is not just those people. It's not television.

465
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.599
It's on television, but this is life. This is real life.

466
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:16.559
And if we weren't there, if Sheriff Ourd's team wasn't there,

467
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.079
and if we weren't there, what do you think would

468
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.680
have happened to a fourteen or fifteen year old child

469
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:22.400
home alone?

470
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.000
Exactly what the predator I watched said. He wanted to

471
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.119
take her virginity. And I'm gonna tell you now, as

472
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:29.759
a mama, I know you can feel the fire coming

473
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.359
from your right here, as it should be. But as

474
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.880
a mama and I have a good husband, that man

475
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.039
might not make it outside that doorway. If we walked inside,

476
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:42.400
he probably wouldn't so the fact that someone would write

477
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:44.759
all of that to a kid, to a teen, with

478
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:50.000
this explicit purpose of taking her virginity, the one most

479
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.039
precious thing to me for a little girl to have,

480
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:54.720
infuriates me.

481
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.000
Well, and you have kids online who are curious, and

482
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.559
especially if this child is from a vulnerable setting, right,

483
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.400
maybe that child doesn't have both parents, doesn't have kJ

484
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:10.160
or Sheriff Jason Hard as a parent.

485
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.079
Or a father figure in their household.

486
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.720
Feature exactly, So they're curious and they want to know.

487
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.000
And you know, we used to say when I was

488
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.839
growing up, don't talk to strangers. Good advice, then good advice.

489
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.400
Now the problem now is that the guy who's a

490
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.920
stranger on Wednesday isn't a stranger by Friday, after he's

491
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:33.319
been grooming this child and breaking down the defenses in

492
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.559
our society and the hone in right, Sheriff.

493
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.759
It's it's it's very sickening. And I actually said something

494
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.240
in a podcast about my daddy Posse. I think I

495
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.480
need to start a mommy posse too, and just let

496
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.279
y'all take care of these predators because they're everywhere, they

497
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.039
really are, and it's just we just like you were,

498
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.359
you were reading or saying wanago about your what you

499
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.519
do every day? We all do that. We have lives,

500
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.359
right we I go to work every day. I run

501
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.319
a whole office every day. And I assume now my

502
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.160
kids are older, but I assume when they were younger

503
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.079
they were fine. But they have something in their hands.

504
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.200
They're they're gaming, They're they're in these chat rooms every

505
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.000
day all day. And we have had cases even with

506
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.640
the social media with a snapchat with these kids have

507
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.000
their location turned on because Mamma and day won't see

508
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.839
where they at, but they don't take the time to

509
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.839
make sure no one else can see them. It's such

510
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.640
a scary world. And uh, when when Chris and Chris

511
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.279
and I got together we set up this operation. Listening

512
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.680
to them interviewing these these predators and watching this whole

513
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.319
thing go down, it just makes you realize even more.

514
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.119
And I see everything, but it realizes even more today.

515
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.599
It's it's it's so real. It's out there, and it's

516
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.680
just challenge for parents to stay on top of this.

517
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.079
But we have to do our part.

518
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.119
And I think that something parents need to know is

519
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:03.119
that this connectivity that we have, this constant bombardment with

520
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:10.319
images allows people to view not just pornography, consenting adult pornography,

521
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.200
but child pornography, illegal material. And these people, who already

522
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.240
have a propensity for this, have a never ending flow

523
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.640
of this child abusive material like a drug addict, Like

524
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.839
a drug addict. And so at some point looking at this,

525
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.559
viewing these images isn't going to fulfill the fantasy. They

526
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.039
are going to cross the threshold from fantasy to reality.

527
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.440
And that's when we see them show up at our stainghouse.

528
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.240
And how many and how long did it take with

529
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.640
three of them? And within an hour of the first chat,

530
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.000
they were knocking on the door within an hour.

531
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:46.880
And then I'll tell you this, what really got me

532
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.160
going too is that, oh wait, say for me real quick.

533
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.640
You asked them to what, have a seat? Have a seat? Oh,

534
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.599
Chris Hansen just said, have a seat in front of

535
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.200
caj y'all. I'm dying right now inside. Okay, But you

536
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.240
get to talking to them, and something I noticed is

537
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.640
that you know they want to all of a sudden

538
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.960
turn sheepish whenever a man walks in that can check

539
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.079
them on what they're doing or trying to do. But

540
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.759
then the instant victim blaming, instant oh, she texted me

541
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.119
to come over. Oh uh, she I thought me up.

542
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.039
She set me up. Oh I thought that she was

543
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.839
older than she said she was. Why was that your

544
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.839
first statement out of the box. Why would that even

545
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.559
be a statement if you didn't come here with the intent.

546
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.400
These men and the sheriff will tell you this because

547
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.640
this is a very strict protocol. These men aren't even

548
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:36.079
given the address until it has made clear several times

549
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.519
in the online chat that the men are talking to

550
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.480
a child. It has to be confirmed. They won't even

551
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.599
let these guys come over. They don't even know where

552
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.119
the operation is until that is verified.

553
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.599
And she said she was fourteen multiple multiple times times.

554
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.680
And how many kids do you think lie about their

555
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.400
age to get on various social media?

556
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:57.599
All of them?

557
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:03.200
And these aren't always these dark, dirty, hard to access

558
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:10.480
social media platform We see this stuff happening on Instagram, Facebook, Reddit.

559
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.119
You know it's not the dark web here. These are

560
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.119
easily accessible platforms.

561
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:18.920
So this was a question I wanted to ask you

562
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.880
are there and this is just opinion, obviously, but because

563
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.720
of this and how kids have access to things that

564
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.079
maybe they shouldn't but the ease of it, are there

565
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.559
any laws that you would like to see changed or

566
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.759
that you think need adjusting in terms of social media

567
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:33.759
access and age.

568
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.799
Well, I think there needs to be parental consent for

569
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.000
children of a certain age to get on these platforms. Now,

570
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.759
having said that that law is great, I'm sure the

571
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:50.319
sheriff would back it up. However, the best defense, right,

572
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.480
We've been doing these investigations for twenty years. When I

573
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.319
first did them, all we did was use decoys in

574
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.720
chatrooms and Aol and Yahoo and maybe something if you

575
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.559
were call called MySpace. I do, right, that's it. Well,

576
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.559
today the number of social media platforms has exploded, and

577
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.680
so we can confront these guys. We can expose them.

578
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.960
The sheriff's team can arrest them, the prosecutors can put

579
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.519
them in prison. But it's not going to stop. Twenty

580
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.000
years we've been doing this. I thought we'd do it

581
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.640
two or three times and that would be it. You know,

582
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.680
still today I joke that if this stops, I can

583
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.839
finally go do that cooking show I want in Italy,

584
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.400
or maybe do a Southern cooking show with the sheriff

585
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:31.240
here and let me send pa.

586
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.039
Well, I'll tell you this too, an personal experience that

587
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.319
just backs up that it's not going to stop. I

588
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.160
teach a lot of children, some from vulnerable situations, more

589
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.440
vulnerable than others, and I was in class one day.

590
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.880
I actually use the Sheriff's website and I have all

591
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.519
the kids go to the sex offender website. I have

592
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.839
them put their address in, which, by the way, my listeners,

593
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:50.599
you should be able to go in and see any

594
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.960
of these convicted sex offenders in your area. But I

595
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:55.119
use your website. We go in, I show them how

596
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.079
to search their area, and they're always dumbfounded by the

597
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.240
sheer numbers of these sexIf.

598
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.079
Well, that's the point. So no matter what we do,

599
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.160
what the sheriff does in law enforcement, what I do

600
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.079
to expose these people and to educate folks and create

601
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.200
a dialogue, the best defense remains the relationship that parents

602
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.680
have with their children. You have to have this discussion.

603
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.799
We have a documentary that's almost finished about sextortion where

604
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.839
khnman from half a world away poses young girls and

605
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.240
they convince boys to send them explicit pictures and then

606
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.200
they blackmail them. And these kids are committing suicide because

607
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.000
the shame of it. After they give as much money

608
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.880
as they possibly can Finally, now law enforcement is dragging

609
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.119
these guys back to the US to face as they

610
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.839
should penalties. Yeah. But my point is if these kids

611
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.200
just knew, all right, knucklehead, you did something stupid, But

612
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.319
in two weeks, nobody's going to care. Graham's not going

613
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.160
to see your junk on Facebook?

614
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:54.680
Right, is she changed your diapers.

615
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.240
The moment, right, But they get caught in the moment.

616
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.480
Get through the moment. And if you do something stupid,

617
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.119
if you get lured into a conversation with somebody who

618
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.320
makes you feel uncomfortable, come talk to me. Yeah, I'll

619
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.800
call the sheriff Westen again. I guarantee you.

620
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.400
We'll listen what happened. We did that exercise to teach

621
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:15.800
them how to do it well. Then I made them

622
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.320
do a PowerPoint on pick a sex offender of each

623
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:19.920
tier Tier one, two, and three, and it was, you know,

624
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.400
an interactive type thing where they would stand up and

625
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.239
explain it well. One student who came from a very

626
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.920
bad background, I saw the blood kind of drain from

627
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.400
her face during one of the presentations that someone was doing,

628
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.960
and I said, are you okay? Do you feel okay?

629
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.920
She's like, I'm okay. Can I speak to you outside.

630
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.679
I said, sure, we walk outside. She whipped her cell

631
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.679
phone out, which they could have at the time, and

632
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.719
she showed me the guy on the screen in our

633
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.239
class was the guy that she was quote unquote talking

634
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.519
to and had sent her explicit photos and knew that

635
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.800
she was under age, but she did not know how

636
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.840
old he was, not that they should have been sharing

637
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.079
the photos, but he was in his twenties and he

638
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.639
had told her that he was seventeen. And it was

639
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.599
right there in class that it brought it to her attention.

640
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.719
So it takes a community. You know, if kids aren't

641
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.400
going to listen to their parents, maybe when they go

642
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.400
to school. We have to build these relationships everywhere.

643
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.760
Because the predators don't listen. We had a case a

644
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.719
guy who showed up in this sting who made the

645
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.679
local news in Baton Rouge because, as an eighteen year

646
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.079
old high school student, he took a video of a

647
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.679
fourteen year old girl, also a student, performing a sax

648
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.199
act on him. He got in trouble, but because of

649
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.800
his age, he got a break. Where does he show

650
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.559
up five years later in our sting in Livingston Parish, Louisiana,

651
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.679
trying to hook up with another child.

652
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.440
Or not tell you was that tell you they're not

653
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.280
going to stop. And I think a lot of these guys,

654
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:42.480
I'll tell I'm just going to say to think a

655
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.320
lot of them are rapists in the making. I think

656
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.079
that the longer we slap them on the wrist and

657
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.079
say Okay, well it didn't go through with it or

658
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.239
something like that, they're just going to escalate and escalate

659
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.280
and escalate until we have.

660
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.840
The video you know, blocked out made the local news

661
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.000
five years ago, and now he's going to make the

662
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.599
news again when that episode of Down with Chris Hansen airs.

663
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.880
I'm so thankful that you did it. I'm glad that

664
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.320
y'all teamed up and you work together.

665
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.559
He admitted to me, yes it is, and to your

666
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.199
detectives that he just threw his life away by doing

667
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.920
something stupid. Well, don't do it right. They've got a break.

668
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.320
I don't think they can stop.

669
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:18.519
And that's why I really don't.

670
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:19.320
I don't think they can.

671
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.000
Well, recidivism rates back that up too with sex offenders

672
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.159
that they're not going to be rehabilitated.

673
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:30.800
And we don't typically, you know, entertain even exposing somebody

674
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.119
who's seventeen trying to hook up with somebody who's fourteen

675
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:39.599
or fifteen or eighteen. If they're all students, that's another issue.

676
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.639
That's an issue for the juvenile courts and consulars. But

677
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.920
when they're nineteen or older and they're trying to hook

678
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.519
up with a child, what's the difference between the damage

679
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.599
and nineteen year old man can cause In a thirty

680
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.880
nine year old man, it's the same damage, exact damage.

681
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.159
You know. Now, maybe that younger guy can be rehabilitated,

682
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.280
can get therapy, can get counseling, can get on the

683
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.079
right path. There's a better chance of it than the

684
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.719
thirty nine year olds, but it's still a danger.

685
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.400
And it's going to continue to grow. Well, I want

686
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.880
to thank you so much. I really appreciate your time

687
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.280
and I look forward to working with you in the

688
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.559
future on some of the dialogue. Yes, sir, and thank

689
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.199
you share for your time and for your your support.

690
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.159
I was always great to be here. Thank you.

691
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.440
You're very welcome. All right, y'all, I'll catch you on

692
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:22.800
the flip