Jan. 22, 2025

The Obsessive Janie Lynn Ridd

The Obsessive Janie Lynn Ridd

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”,  Kelly delves into the relationship between Rachel and her friend Janie, which devolves from supportive to sinister in Salt Lake City.  As Rachel faces the challenges of...

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Season 7

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”, Kelly delves into the relationship between Rachel and her friend Janie, which devolves from supportive to sinister in Salt Lake City. As Rachel faces the challenges of impending surgery and single motherhood, Janie initially appears as a nurturing ally, stepping in during tough moments. However, this facade masks a disturbing reality—Janie's jealousy spirals into a manipulative obsession, culminating in a plot to harm Rachel by poisoning her.

Timestamps
02:57 Friendship and Its Perils
06:28 The Beginning of Rachel and Janie's Friendship
12:00 Living Together: A New Chapter
12:41 Rising Tensions
17:11 The Unexpected Turn
21:14 A New Life and New Challenges
26:50 Planning for the Future
34:20 The Shift in Dynamics
36:13 The Dark Web and Its Secrets
1:09:54 A Dangerous Investigation
1:18:15 The Dark Web Unveiled
1:21:43 Unraveling the Truth
1:30:41 The Plea Deal

Sources
Utah woman imprisoned for buying bacteria to infect roommate – Deseret News
Police: Woman pleads guilty to buying biological agent online to harm former roommate | Local | idahostatejournal.com
How to Get on the Dark Web: A Step-by-Step Guide
Victim speaks after best friend sentenced for attempting to poison and kill her
Utah woman charged with ordering deadly 'VRSA' virus on dark web denied bail
Physical Requirements to Become a Paramedic

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real. I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.

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Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all,

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it's kJ back for another episode of Unspeakable, and I'm

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coming to you. Looking at myself, I'll y'all, I look

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like a damn troll from under a bridge. I went

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to the doctor today.

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No I didn't.

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That's a damn lie. I went to the doctor two

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days ago and I got a skin cancer on my

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forehead and they had to do some work on it. So,

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my god, thank god I have a voice for radio,

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because the face is struggling today. But I have an

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excellent episode for you. So that's a good thing, cause

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I'm not quitting little skin cancer and getting in my way.

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But before I do that, let's do some shout outs,

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and my ignorant self is about to probably tear up

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some names here, but I'm gonna try my best. Krista

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Cook from Amarilla, Texas, How are you doing, Krista? We

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are some George Straight fans over here, so Amarillo by mourning?

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How's that singing for you? How are things doing over there?

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I'm so glad to have you join? And then is

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this Shriver Louisiana. I ought to know that Shriver Louisiana.

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I've never heard of that.

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But again, y'all, you can't trust me for anything. But

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Natalie Bartel, Natalie Bartel is over there, So hey, Natalie,

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how are you doing over there?

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Thank you so much for joining.

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I'm thrilled to have you, as well as miss Christy

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Tacker from Flora, Mississippi. Look, the whole South is being

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represented here. And then we'll wrap it up with Jennifer

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Buller in Thomasville, Alabama.

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I'll forgive you.

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I hope you're not an Alabama fan, but I'll forgive

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you if you are.

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Okay, I'm just playing with you.

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How are you doing over there, Jennifer? I hope things

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are going really really well. Thank y'all so much, for

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joining my Patreon genuinely means so much. It means everything.

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Thankful to have you. I do have more shout outs

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come in your way, but I'm gonna jump into this episode.

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But I do want to tell Christa and Natalie and

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Christy and Jennifer, y'all are the bomb. Thank you so

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much for supporting the show. I can't wait to speak

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with you online and share things with you. And you

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get to check all of that out on the Patreon site,

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So go ahead and do that. And if you're watching

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me right now, I'm so sorry I look like a troll,

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but I'm doing my best. Hang in here and give

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you all a good show. But this one today, this

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one has really talking about friendship. Okay, Arguably one of

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the greatest things that man can have is true friendship.

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And I mean that a true friend is about being

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there whenever, not just when things are easy, but even

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when things are not. And I found that that's, you know,

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the most just it's the biggest gift when people choose

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to be your friend when you're not your best, when

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you don't look your best, and when you don't act

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your best, but they just choose to stick with you

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and that means so much to me for my friends

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that that have been like that for me, and I

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try to be such a good friend back to them.

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And that type of relationship is exactly what a chance

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meeting between two women turned.

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Into in this episode.

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So come with me to Salt Lake City, Utah, where

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Rachel is twenty two years old and she's just getting

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started in her single adulthood life. So she was born

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to a big family. She was the sixth of seven

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total children, and her parents gave her a great upbringing.

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She had no complaints there. She was a successful teen

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and she was now in her early twenties and she

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was really living it up. She was described as fun, outgoing,

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and absolute extrovert and people were just drawn to her.

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She was one of those people that that magnetic attitude

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just drew people in. She was interesting and she just

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had lots of things to say. People adored her and

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they loved her. So Rachel was a beautiful woman by

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current traditional standard. She has long, chest length blonde hair

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that she curls. She really takes care of herself. She's

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got these pretty almond eyes, a very thin frame, and look,

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I'll just to be clear, she's built like a brick shitouse. Okay,

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she's beautiful and she works out and takes care of herself,

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and health really.

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Means a whole lot to her.

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Makeup and lipstick are a must, and she just likes

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being dulled up and loves taking pictures and she's feeling

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good about herself, and she does attract a whole lot

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of men.

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But even though that was that came easily.

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For her, she had chosen to get married and to

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settle down pretty young, and the marriage soured very, very quickly,

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mainly because she felt like her husband was incredibly critical

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and very opinionated, but that opinionated miss about him was

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geared towards her to wear was kind of like he

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felt she acted a certain way that he didn't care for,

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and he wanted her to kind of change her image

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in front of people and maintain this I guess trophy wife,

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but I don't know this image that he created in

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his head, but it just it wasn't her, and she

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felt like she couldn't be herself whenever she was around

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the man she was married to, and so that love

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just fizzled. He just kind of sucked the life out

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of her, and so they would end up just divorcing.

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It didn't work out, and so Rachel was going to

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start her single life over again. But now that she

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was starting over, it was like she had lost some

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of that life that people were used to her putting

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out there, and she had kind of withdrawn a little

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bit and wasn't quite as outgoing and just youthful and

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excited about people like she once was. And other people,

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including her parents, said that she had kind of lost

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confidence in herself after that marriage, but she was working

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really hard to build herself back up and to just

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be the old her as far as personality and excitement went.

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So it was now nineteen ninety five and by chance,

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Rachel would meet a woman named Janie during an outing.

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They seemed to just click instantly, even though they were

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polar opposites in a whole lot of ways. And I

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know they say opposites attract, and this probably is one

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of those instances because there was Rachel who was beautiful

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and outgoing and lively, but Janie that she met, was

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kind of a bit on the planer side and introverted.

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She didn't have that spark and that tenacity in front

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of other people. Rachel was a blonde. Janie was a brunette.

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Rachel attracted a ton of male attention, and she had

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main character energy, as the kids would say, that's what

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the teens are all saying, they have main character energy,

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while Jane was more comfortable as a background person, and

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it just it just was like this balance that worked.

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Jane was four years older than Rachel, and she was

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shy and introverted but sweet, and it was something that

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Rachel just she liked about her. Janie was thin, she

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had long brown hair, and she comes across as like

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I don't know if you know what I mean by this,

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but I used I used the term crunchy to describe people.

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She seemed crunchy, like like some people might say that

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she seemed like a granola mom. She's not a mom,

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but she just seems like kind of like she goes

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hiking and wears sandals and that kind of vibe, if

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you know what I mean. So they were very accepting

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and loving of one another, even though they had these

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differences about them, and because Janie was so supportive and

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so kind and accepting, it really helped to boost Rachel's

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confidence as their friendship grew, and their friendship then became more.

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Like a sisterhood.

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They would refer to each other as sisters, so they

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spent a lot of time together. They had been friends

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just for a couple months though, when Janie started complaining

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about her apartment, of her apartment complex that she lived

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in and that it kept getting broken into and it

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just really unnerved her. She lived alone and it was

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just very disturbing, which her friend Rachel obviously agreed. That's

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not good when people are breaking in. Rachel was now

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living with her parents since her divorce, and she too

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was ready to kind of branch out and be on

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her own, and so it just made sense. Both women

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were wanting a change, and they said, well, hell, why

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don't we move in together and be roommates. Were best friends,

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what could go wrong. So Rachel had always lived with

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someone basically throughout her entire life. She grew up with

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her family, she went to college and had roommates, and

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then she lived with her husband. So the idea of

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having someone with her living in the house was something

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that she was used to but and it made her

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comfortable not to just be by herself, and now Janie

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was moving in. It made them both feel really safe

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and neither one felt alone, so they moved into this cute, little,

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small brick house. It was kind of that older style,

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solid brick house that had a red tone to it.

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It had white trim on the windows, a glass storm

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door on the outside with a nice little wooden door

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on the inside, and it had those little concrete steps

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that you see on these houses with these tiny, tiny

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front porches and little iron railings that led up to

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the front door. Charming and quaint would be great descriptors

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of this house when you're looking at it from the outside.

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And their opposites not only complimented each other in relationship

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but also in living together, because Rachel again more of

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a wildflower, more of an outgoing personality, and Janey was

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more meticulars and liked planning and things to be just

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not you know, by the seat of your pants. Jane

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was really good at finances and Rachel wasn't, so she

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really liked that aspect that Janie was able to help

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her make decisions on spending her money and being strategic

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with her income. And it just seemed to her like

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this was a big sister, little sister relationship, and Janie

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took the more adultier road you know, in there in

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the duo. So Rachel, because of her outgoing nature during

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this time, was really able to pull Janie out of

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her shell with her fun loving ways and her ability

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to walk in a room or if they would go

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out dancing, that she could just help Janie, you know,

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loosen up and get out there and talk to people.

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So they would go to bars and they would go dancing.

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They played around a lot, and if you wanted to

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be honest, they probably were a bit immature together, but

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all in good fun. And I have a friend like this.

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Her name's care and something. We are two forty year

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old women, but you put us in a room together

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and we turn into complete teenagers and we are obnoxious

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and we love every second of it. And I just

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get so tickled by her. And people probably get annoyed

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with us, but I don't care. We love each other's

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guts and she gets me and I get her.

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Well, that was them.

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One thing they both found really funny too, was they

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would go out together and Rachel, in an effort to

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help Janie, Rachel would pretend like she didn't speak English,

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and so Janie would have to be her interpreter, and

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that helped Janie also get out of her shell a

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little bit more because.

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She would have to talk to people.

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But it was like she had to be forced to

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talk to them, but it's because she was translating, and

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they they just got to kick out of it because

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it helped them both and it was funny. So needless

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to say, you can tell this relationship was a great one.

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They looked out for one another, and I kind of

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got that vibe of Romey and Michelle if you remember

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that that show. They were the Romey and Michelle of

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friendships at this time. So the two young women would

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then go on to remain roommates throughout many many years.

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Like this wasn't a short term thing for a long time,

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and just like real sisters would be. Of course, things

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weren't perfect. They would fight. They would fight like sisters.

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They would get aggravating with each other, they would need space,

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they would get on each other's nerves, but then they

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would make up and they would get over it and

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they'd go have drinks and eat lunch and do what

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sisters do. Disagreements here and there, absolutely but nothing insane.

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There was no police calls to the house, just typical

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frustrations that women will experience with one another from time

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to time. One thing that seemed to grow over time, though,

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was that Janie built up this like resentment of Rachel

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for the very thing that originally attracted her to Rachel,

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which was that big personality. But it seemed like as

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the years went on, Jane almost started to resent her

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for that quality that was a good thing in the beginning,

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and Jane would be jealous if Rachel made any new

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friends and look, I've had a friend like that before.

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It's aggravating. It's like they only want you to be

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friends with them and they can't share. And it's like, look,

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it's a friendship, man. Just because I like someone else

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as a friend doesn't mean I like you any less.

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But Janie just liked that small group. Rachel loved having

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a variety of friends all over the place, and so

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they started to somewhat clash on you know, what does

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it mean? And how many friends should you have and

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all that kind of stuff. So the fights would get ugly,

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and Janie always seemed to revert to name calling whenever

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she would just get really mad at Rachel, and she'd

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be like, you're nothing but a whore, you know, you

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hang out with all these guys and all these girls

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and all this kind of stuff, and it was very immature,

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but that's the way that she decided to handle it

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when they would argue, and eventually it got so bad

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and Rachel got so frustrated by Janie's acting so angry

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about all her friends that she turned to Janie one

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day and just flat out asked her, do you not

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like me or something?

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What is going on? Are we friends?

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Even? This is just ridiculous, And it seemed to kind

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of catch Jane off guard, and she was like, oh no, no,

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oh my god, Yes, I like you.

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I love you, You're my friend.

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And she explained to her, it's just that, you know,

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you're like family to me, and I don't want to

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lose you as my best friend and all these other

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people's you know, it makes me nervous sometimes that maybe

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you know, you don't like me like like we always

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have been. And so Rachel was like, no, that's not it.

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We're just different people. But she decided to respond by

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kind of withdrawing socially, or backing, not withdrawing, but backing

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off a little bit socially so that she wouldn't hurt

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Janie's feelings, because no new person she might meet was

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worth destroying this friendship that she had had for all

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of these years with her best friend. So nineteen ninety

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six would then roll around, and as fate would have it,

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Rachel met a new guy and she fell hard for

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this guy I'm talking about Ti to the bottom of

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the ocean.

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She went hard. She really liked him.

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She was completely smitten with him, and as is common,

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whether good, bad or not, she began to spend a

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whole lot of time with this fella. And Jane wasn't

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a fan of him from the start. She just did

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not like him. They were oil and water, and she didn't.

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Want to like him.

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To be kind of honest, she was pretty clear about

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it with Rachel. She told Rachel, I don't like him.

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I think he's just using you. I don't think he's

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really invested in you, and he comes across as a player,

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and I just think it's my obligation as your friend

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to let you know that. And I just don't like him.

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I don't want to be around him. And as we

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all know, three's a crowd that's not gonna work out

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a lot of the time. And considering Jane didn't like

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him to begin with. She would go out of her

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way to inconvenience Rachel with him when they were all

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together in the same house, an example being that if

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Rachel and the guy would just be watching a movie,

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just very general, normal normative TV watching, Janie would first

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of all be snotty to him, but then it would

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go to the point of embarrassment really that Rachel would

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you know, start screaming at them that that, you know,

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turn the TV down it's too loud or just and

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would keep on and keep on and keep on, to

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the point that he'd be like, look, I'm gonna go

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this is this is too much. I don't want to

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deal with this. And Rachel really liked him. So she

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was doing her best to play middleman between her best

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friend and her new love interest, and it just left

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her in a really tough spot because she wanted them

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both in her life and she wanted them to get along,

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but it just wasn't it wasn't working. She did her best,

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but it was to no avail, and Janie was almost

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downright mean anytime he came around, and it just became exhausting.

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The truth was, though Janie was actually probably right, because

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that relationship didn't last and Janie was just looking out

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for Rachel. She saw through the guy. She felt like

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there was red flags and it just was what it was. Frustrating, yes,

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but in the end, Janey was there and the guy

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was gone. So fourteen more years would pass a long friendship.

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Fourteen years would pass, and the women would go through

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so many of life's experiences together through that fourteen years,

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the ups and the downs, but remaining supportive best friends

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through all of it. That was going to bring us

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to the year of January twenty ten. So we're kind

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of fast forward through all of these years kind of quickly.

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But it's twenty ten and Rachel is now older and

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she's working as a paramedic. She had gone through all

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of her certifications and she had been doing this job

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now for six years, so she was invested in what

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she was doing.

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Very devoted employee. She loved her job.

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She loved helping people, and she really loved helping people

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on their worst days. And I think that's a really

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awesome character thing to have a about you that you

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care when people are having a bad day and they're

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upset and they're crying or they don't feel good and

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they're griping at you, but you still want to help

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those people to get better. And being a paramedic, if

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you don't know, it's a lot more physically demanding than

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a lot of people may realize. So like lifting requirements

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to be a paramedic, it's going to stipulate that first

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responders have to be able to lift and transport patients

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who may not be able to walk on their own.

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So there's a lot of lifting that's involved in it.

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Most paramedic training programs require the ability to lift at

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least one hundred pounds and to be able to push

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and pull heavy objects, because I mean, hell, you're showing

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up and you're gonna presumptively have to move people that

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are not able to help themselves. So this requires stamina

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and endurance to repeatedly bend and lift and kneel throughout

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your workshifts. So considering this, it would turn out that

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Rachel herniated a disk while she was on the job,

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and so she got hurt, but then she kind of

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took some rest and then when she tried to go

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back to work, she just kept reinjuring it. Everything she

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did seemed to re injure the disk, so she was

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in and out of the doctor's office constantly. Eventually it

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got to the point that she couldn't even sit for

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a long time, nor could she lift more than ten pounds.

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She was hurt, and so due to this inability to

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meet the job description, she was eventually forced to just

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resign from the job.

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Because she couldn't do it.

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This left her not contributing as much financially to the household.

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I'll call it the household, but you know, the women

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shared money and stuff, so it had her not contributing

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much to this household financially as she used to in

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terms of the bills and who paid what. So she

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lost her job, and that kind of had her looking

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at the other things that she loved so much. It

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was fitness, her career, and being social. Those were her

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big things. Well, she lost her job now and and

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now she can't go lift and do the things she

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loves in terms of fitness, and she's injured. She's not

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able to go out and do all the things that

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she used to do. And it really left her feeling

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guilty and depressed by the situation that she was in.

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And then, in the worst timing ever in the history

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of ever, Rachel found out she was pregnant. Lo of

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be hold, this seemed a whole lot like insult being

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added to absolute injury when the father decided that he

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wanted nothing to do.

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With this baby.

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I'd say at this point that life was pretty much

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kicking Rachel's ass, okay, and she was feeling the impact

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on a large level. So she's now injured, she's jobless,

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in pain constantly, which is a really bad mix, and

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now a soon to be single momche really couldn't help

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but feel that she was hitting rock bottom in everything.

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She was in a very bad spot.

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But her baby to be was an excitement that she

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just couldn't help but look forward to. She was going

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to have a baby. Who could be upset about that?

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You know, she had so much to look forward to.

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So in twenty ten, Rachel gave birth to a baby

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boy and she named him Writer.

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I love that name, so precious.

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But it was pretty obvious really early on that there

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were some medical concerns with the baby, and after some

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time and some testing and things that they were able

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to do to try to rule out what might be

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going on, it was determined that he actually had autism.

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He was autistic, so as.

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He continued to develop, Rachel would also find out that

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not only is the autistic, but it's a more severe

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form of it, and that he was completely nonverbal, literally

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no verbal skill at all.

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But as his mommy, she refused to give up on him.

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Rachel loved music and so she was always listening to it,

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always singing, and during her visits with his doctors and

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doing her own research, she realized that the neuroplasticity in

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the brain is different between singing and talking. The pathways

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in the brain work differently for that. So for eighteen

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months she sang to him constantly and this was not

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only going to be her way of bonding with her baby,

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but it was also in her mind maybe a possible

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method of communication. So maybe he won't be able to speak,

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but what if he could sing the communication. If Writer

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won't speak, maybe she could help him sing. And guess

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what she did.

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It worked.

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Although he couldn't hold conversations and he wouldn't talk, he

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absolutely would sing parts of songs. After these eighteen months

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he really started to pick it up. Matter of fact,

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Writer's first words were actually singing and so he wasn't

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having conversations, but he would sing and listen, this is

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a beautiful thing.

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I actually have a family member, all right.

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She had a healthy, normal baby boy. Everything was great,

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and then tragedy changed his life forever. So it's not

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quite the same as what Rachel's son experienced, obviously, but

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his name is Kyle, and she had a normal pregnancy.

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You know, everything went fine.

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He was great, and she was in a pool at

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their apartment complex whenever Kyle was little. He was strapped

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into his stroller and a woman that was on drugs

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is what I remember it to be. She just happened

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to run up and she snatched Kyle and his stroller

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and she jumped in the deep end of the swimming pool.

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And no matter how hard my family member tried to

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fight at the bottom of the pool to get Kyle

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away from this crazy woman, she wasn't able to. So

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finally people jumped in and helped, and they were able

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to get Kyle up. But the damage had been done.

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He was very much brain damaged by this and his

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life was never gonna be what it you know, what

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it could have been, and he ended up. He's blind,

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he doesn't speak, he's wheelchair bound. You know that kind

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of thing, but guess what he sings. So this beauty

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that she felt in this moment, I totally get what she's.

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Saying, because that's what Kyle does. He won't say anything.

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He makes noises and like he plays little I mean

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he's an adult now, he's in his twenties, but he

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plays little musical toys for infants. But we were sitting

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at the house one time and we were singing Old

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McDonald to one of the kids that were there.

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Oh, McDonald had.

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A farm, and out of nowhere, little Kyle sitting there.

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00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.400
Said eyah yai oh, And.

471
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.680
It just was so heartwarming because he could communicate, he

472
00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.519
knew what was going on, and he communicated with us.

473
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.079
So I just want to share that because I understand

474
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.799
what she means by the beauty of music and communication,

475
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.759
and what a win for Rider and his mama to

476
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:12.279
have that, and that she works so hard to get that.

477
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:16.799
So understanding that this diagnosis, in this situation would be

478
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:21.359
a lifelong condition for him, Rachel wanted to ensure that

479
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:27.000
Rider would have protections and resources available to care for

480
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.200
himself in the event that anything were ever to happen

481
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.240
to her. She was looking for the rest of his life,

482
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.799
and she said, my god, I've got to do something

483
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.319
to make sure that he is taken care of. And

484
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.759
so the route she decided to take was to get

485
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:44.400
a life insurance policy for herself. So when she did this,

486
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.640
she named her best friend Janie as the beneficiary of

487
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.160
a five hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy, and she

488
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.240
also designated in that will that Jane would be awarded

489
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:59.000
parental custody of Writer if she were to pass away

490
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.000
or anything would disable her from being able to take

491
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.039
care of her son. Writer was an absolute priority to

492
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.640
her and if anything happened, she wanted to ensure that

493
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.559
he would be taken care of. And whoever would be

494
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:19.240
given caregiver role of Writer would obviously need the financial

495
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.359
means to do that, and so that's why Jane was

496
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:25.839
awarded as the beneficiary of the life insurance policy. And

497
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.240
this really struck me as sad. You know, I'm a

498
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:31.000
parent of kids that don't have this issue, and so

499
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.440
I guess I don't understand how or I don't know

500
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.480
I understand how difficult that can be. I just have

501
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.559
never been through it, so I can I guess I

502
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.759
don't know if empathy. I'm trying to empathize with that

503
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.559
position of going, my god, you know what do I do?

504
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.599
And they can't speak for themselves, And so I wondered,

505
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.400
is life insurance really is that the typical route that

506
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.880
people would take? If you know, if parents have children

507
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.759
that are in similar situations, is this what they is

508
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.200
normally done? What do people do in that situation? And

509
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:03.160
so I reached out to my good friend Mary to

510
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.279
ask her, and her insight was so interesting to me

511
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.559
that I actually have her here with me today and

512
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.839
I'm gonna, you know, briefly have her on here to

513
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.240
give some pointers or some insight. And I'm specifically doing

514
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:18.960
this because I have a couple of listeners who've reached

515
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.119
out to me over the last two years, not more

516
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.799
than a couple actually, that tell me their kids have autism.

517
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.480
I know, I have a listener whose son loved the

518
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.559
coasters that I sent out to y'all for your cars,

519
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.359
that he just loved it and he would play with it,

520
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.240
and she just was so tickled that he loved it.

521
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:35.599
So I want to go ahead and introduce to you,

522
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.119
miss Mary Ballard. How are you, Miss Mary?

523
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.720
I'm doing great, happy to be here.

524
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.759
I'm so glad you're here. And Christopher is here too.

525
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.440
Now if you're not watching, Christopher wave with the camera

526
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.599
right there. If you're watching, there's my Christopher. And Christopher

527
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.359
has Down syndrome. And he is somebody that I just

528
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.720
look up to so much and I just think so

529
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.200
much of him, and he is just everything that I

530
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.640
want to be in life. He is successful and he's

531
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:01.400
done it all.

532
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.559
Now, how old is Christopher twenty eight? Twenty eight years old? Awesome?

533
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.200
And so I reached out to miss Mary and I said, look,

534
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:11.519
I have a question about this case I'm working on

535
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.680
and what And I know I have a lot of

536
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:15.119
listeners that reach out to me that say they have

537
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.359
kids with special needs or autism or what. However, you

538
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.519
want to encompass that and rather than take out a

539
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.240
life insurance policy on to make sure your kids are

540
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.519
taken care of, you started telling me about some other

541
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.160
things that maybe I would have never considered. So I thought,

542
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.240
just for a brief second, we could talk about that

543
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:31.720
to help people out who might not know.

544
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:32.920
Does that sound there?

545
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.240
So one of the things was that you said life insurance.

546
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.160
You know that's cool, I guess after the fact, But

547
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.240
during their You know, while you're alive as the parent,

548
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:44.799
there could have been some better things that she could

549
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.079
have done. Maybe starting with you said that there was

550
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.519
first make a family plan. How would you describe making

551
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:53.920
a family plan for somebody in this situation?

552
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.559
For us, the family plan came a little bit easier

553
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.480
than most people because Christopher has two siblings older and

554
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.240
one is younger, and we have a pact that if

555
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.559
anything happens to me and my husband that they are

556
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.759
going to step up. Now. I've also given them the

557
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.000
ability to say, hey, when it gets too rough and

558
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.240
they can't handle it anymore, Mom, and I gonna come

559
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.759
back and haunt you if you have to. Put him

560
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.400
in somewhere if you have to. But that was our

561
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:21.640
contingency plan. We also have aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews. Everybody

562
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.119
looks out for Christopher and me.

563
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:24.960
That's right.

564
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.359
And I got you back, Christopher, And I mean there's

565
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.599
been little old ladies at work that look out for him.

566
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.759
It's just it's a community thing. Our church, our church

567
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.440
is really big and looking out for him too. So

568
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.640
that was our contingency plan family wise.

569
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.240
And I love that you said that you will not

570
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.319
be mad at them if if it just became where

571
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.359
he needed more care than they are able to provide

572
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.079
for whatever reason, that you're not mad at them, that

573
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:50.640
let's put him. Make sure there's a plan to put

574
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.640
him somewhere that they'll he'll be loved and cared for

575
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.119
and taken care of and know that his family just

576
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.200
adores him and they haven't forsaken him.

577
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.519
That it's just a different phase right in life.

578
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.640
So then after you made your family plan, the next

579
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.599
thing you told me about was the fact that you

580
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.359
should create a trust. Yes, okay, so how would you briefly,

581
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.519
what is your suggestion to some of my listeners that

582
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.079
might could use some insight on that.

583
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.039
If you have not done any kind of family planning

584
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.000
for after you're gone, you need to look into getting

585
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:24.960
an attorney that is well versed in estate planning, tutorship, interdiction,

586
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.079
and partial interdiction. I know those are big terms, but

587
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.000
we had to find a lawyer. We were able to

588
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.680
find one in Baton Rouge. There's a lot out in

589
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.359
the New Orleans area that will walk you through if

590
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:40.079
you have property that has to be broken up between children,

591
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.480
say in social security you can only have a certain

592
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.160
amount of money, and Christopher can only have a certain

593
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.960
amount of money in his name if something happens to

594
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.279
me and my husband both if one of us dies,

595
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.400
were still good, but if both of us are gone,

596
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.480
he is now a three part owner of our property

597
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:57.400
in our homes.

598
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.680
Because it's him and his two brothers, right, Okay.

599
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.440
So now he's going to be ineligible to receive Social

600
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.039
Security because Louisiana is a forced air state unless you

601
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.160
left something in your will that left them out, which

602
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.480
there was no way I was going to do that.

603
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.519
So we went the route of a partial interdiction. It

604
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.880
was very important to me that is high function as

605
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.880
Christopher as I wanted him to still be able to vote,

606
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.279
and the partial interdiction gave him choices still in the matter,

607
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.079
but it gave us the power to say if he

608
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.799
called a one eight hundred number, he didn't know what

609
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.200
he was doing. We still have control over those areas.

610
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.359
Because Christopher also went to college. By the way, y'all

611
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.960
got a brag on him. We are looking at a

612
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.000
college graduate, right.

613
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.039
We are Southeast.

614
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:39.119
That is amazing.

615
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.359
He graduated from Southeastern and what just what a dude

616
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.559
man like you've knocked it out of the park.

617
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.839
I'm so proud of you. That is amazing.

618
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.039
But so you wanted him to still be able to vote,

619
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.759
and because he's, like you said, higher functioning, right, you

620
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:53.319
wanted him.

621
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.359
To be able to have some say right now.

622
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:58.720
He thought he wanted to marry Hannah Montana and that

623
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.920
we finally got broke through with that. He now has

624
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.519
a wonderful girlfriend and her name is Hannah. But he

625
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.440
has somebody in the real world now, and that was

626
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.759
a big concern for me, because he lives in this

627
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.200
world that's not exactly the same as the one that

628
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.160
we live in in his imagination. So I wanted him

629
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.519
to know you have the power of choice. But ultimately,

630
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.359
I'm gonna come back and tell you if your choices

631
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:19.200
are not good.

632
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:20.920
There you go, and that hey, what better, that's what

633
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.000
you need. That's what I do.

634
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.960
My mama does the same for me, Chris, I mean,

635
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.000
I make decisions. She's like, girl, I don't know if

636
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.000
you should have done that, you know, and it's because

637
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.400
the people who love you the most look out for

638
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.119
you the most, and so that's good news. So you

639
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.160
had it where it was split up, and you didn't

640
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.160
want him to lose his social Security correct, and then

641
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.519
also to make sure that the family plan would have

642
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.640
them be in charge of him, but he still can

643
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.000
make some of his own decisions correct. And then he

644
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.559
still has an income right that can cover.

645
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.200
Helm stays in the price range that he's supposed to

646
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.519
stay in, but it's right out of poverty level. So

647
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:00.319
he's never able to have money put up anywhere. But

648
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.160
this trust allows him to do that. And we haven't

649
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.359
put any money into the trust. We're waiting until you know,

650
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.000
the house has to go in and then they can

651
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:07.599
deal with that one.

652
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.079
I'm gone. I don't want to be here to deal with. Yeah.

653
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.920
But there was one other thing called the Able Act

654
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:15.759
that came to be in I'm not sure if it's

655
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.160
in every state, but it allows them to put money

656
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.960
up every month to help them with four different things.

657
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.759
I'm pretty sure it was education, transportation, medical, and one

658
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.880
other thing. So this past Christmas we bought him an

659
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.559
electric bicycle for when we go camping. I was able

660
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.240
to go in and take his money out of there

661
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.519
to pay for that bicycle because it's transportation.

662
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:35.880
Because you can't dry.

663
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.039
Yeah, and he has had two cataract surgeries, and we

664
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.880
were able to go in both times and take five

665
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.519
hundred dollars out for each eye where he paid for

666
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.559
his own medical So it's a way for him to

667
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.480
save money that he needs without being penalized because he

668
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.119
can't have a a certain amount.

669
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:50.480
Right.

670
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.000
And I know I'm in the middle of a true

671
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.480
crime podcast here, and I know we kind of took

672
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.279
a little turn, but I think it's just so important

673
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.720
because sometimes and you'll see as this case goes on,

674
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.079
everybody why I bring this up, but it is so

675
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.079
important to have a plan and not have to wait

676
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.920
or make a plan based on just a limited knowledge,

677
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.680
and when there's so much out there that could help people.

678
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.360
Tell me this, you're twenty seven, right, twenty eight? Sorry,

679
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.639
you're twenty eight. Does your mama take good care of you?

680
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.679
Yes, ma'am.

681
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:16.960
Your mama is so good to.

682
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.480
You, and she she is.

683
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.159
And let me ask you this, if something were to

684
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.920
ever happen where you had to you had to go

685
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.400
maybe live like maybe Mama got sick or something, I

686
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.599
don't know, and you had to go live with somebody,

687
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:30.119
who would you ever?

688
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.920
Who would you want to go live with? Do you know?

689
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.199
Daddy wouldn't be here either?

690
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:41.800
So if you don't have mama or daddy.

691
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:42.400
Where would you go?

692
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.559
Papa? A good my good neighbor, your neighbor.

693
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:53.000
You can check in with your neighbor, okay, miss indeed? Okay?

694
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.079
And what about your brothers though? Do you think your

695
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.559
brothers would take care of you? Do you love your brothers?

696
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.559
I do love my brother's awesome?

697
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.639
And does it make you happy to know that your

698
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.519
mama has a plan for you that if anything ever

699
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.719
went wrong, that you can trust in your brothers to

700
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.440
take care of you and make sure that you get

701
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.199
supper and you get to the doctor and you get

702
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:12.480
to get to your job and all that.

703
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:18.559
Well, I'd trust in God for the a men.

704
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.960
Christopher, I love that.

705
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.119
Well. Just know you've got a bunch of people behind

706
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.119
you too that are looking out for you, me included.

707
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.000
And we want to make sure that nothing's ever going

708
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:28.719
to happen. But in the event of we want to

709
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.559
make sure that people know that there are steps they

710
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.639
can take so that if their children are in similar situations,

711
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.719
you know, look out there. There's resources out there, or

712
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.119
any resources that you would maybe off the top suggest.

713
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.000
That good attorney can put you in the right direction

714
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.119
for everything you need.

715
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:44.840
There you go.

716
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.840
So we're not giving legal advice, obviously, but we're just

717
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.679
trying to give some people. If you're listening, find somebody

718
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.679
that is a good attorney that can help you out.

719
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.599
Make sure that the people you put in control of

720
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.760
those trusts or people that you can trust, you know,

721
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:02.559
with your most precious give on earth, and then hopefully

722
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.320
great things will happen. But we're gonna jump right back

723
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.679
into the story now and I'm gonna tell you what

724
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.800
happened when all she had in this situation was a

725
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.760
life insurance policy in the event that something happened to

726
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:16.559
her nonverbal autistic son. Okay, so there's some information for

727
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.800
you to ponder and see that there's other avenues that

728
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.360
you can take if you're in a similar situation. But look,

729
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:25.639
Rachel went the route she knew best. She didn't have

730
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.679
family near her or anyone that else besides Jane, and

731
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.639
so the life insurance route seemed the best for her.

732
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:32.840
And I'm not knocking it.

733
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.880
And that's great that she did identify someone to at

734
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.079
least take custody of him so he wouldn't go into state,

735
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.480
you know, custody if she died or something like that.

736
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:47.840
It would turn out too, that Rachel herniated another disc

737
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.679
while she was giving birth to ride her. So the

738
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.800
pain here just it didn't seem to ever go away.

739
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:57.840
And now she gives birth and now she's got another

740
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.159
herniated disc, and so she tried to let that pain

741
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.280
go for a while and just hoped it might correct itself,

742
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.760
but it didn't, and she went to the doctor. She

743
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.519
got some MRIs done, and the doctor said, look, either

744
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.239
you're gonna have to have surgery or you're gonna have

745
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.719
permanent disability, because this is not something that's going to

746
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:18.320
go away. So, feeling like she had really no other choice,

747
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.199
Rachel underwent surgery in twenty fifteen. So Janie and Rachel

748
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.840
by this point had been friends for twenty something years,

749
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.519
and she knew for a fact Janie would love and

750
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.760
care for her son over everything else, and that she

751
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.280
would be someone who would help her through all of this.

752
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.480
So she has the surgery, she schedules the surgery, she

753
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.440
has it, and now, because of how serious the surgery was,

754
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:47.360
Janie basically was in one hundred percent control of everything

755
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.079
because Rachel was so injured, and this meant not only

756
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.440
physical injury, but she also you know, financially was kind

757
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.559
of struggling too, so everything she had she kind of

758
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.239
just put Janie in control of it so that everything

759
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.199
could be handled. So when Rachel got out of the

760
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.679
hospital and she came back home, as you can imagine,

761
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.079
she was in a ton of pain. All she could

762
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.599
really do is take her pain medication and lay in

763
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:14.760
bed a lot. She was not able to move much,

764
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.599
and Janie felt horrible for her. It was a really

765
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:23.480
bad recovery and Janie helped out tremendously during this time.

766
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.280
Rachel couldn't lift rid her she couldn't do much of

767
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.519
anything for her baby boy. So Janie acted like a

768
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.880
second mom to him, and it was welcomed. This was

769
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.800
a wonderful thing. Rachel did have a sister, I will

770
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.960
let you know that, but her sister lived five hours

771
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.199
away and it just wasn't This was a long term

772
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.519
recovery and it just wasn't conducive for the situation. So

773
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.360
it was awesome that Janie was right there and also

774
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.760
loved rider, had been there since the beginning and it

775
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.760
was like, you know, a nephew to her, and so

776
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.400
she was just jumping in and being very helpful to Rachel.

777
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.239
Now Janie worked at this training center that helped indigenous

778
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:06.320
people find and you know, get employment and really find

779
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.800
their way in life. And it was it was a

780
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.280
cool facility with a good outreach for that purpose. And

781
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.280
the other good thing about it was that this left

782
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.880
Jennie with a very flexible schedule that she could you know,

783
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:20.760
wiggle room here and there in so while this was

784
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.800
going on, Rachel was able to get on medical disability

785
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.760
because she couldn't work. But Janie, being resourceful and being

786
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.679
used to you know, helping others find programs and things

787
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.639
that benefited them, Janie was able to find a program

788
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.400
that could help pay her. The program would pay Jane

789
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.719
to help Rachel care for a writer, and so she

790
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.119
signed them all up for them and it was awesome.

791
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.440
It was like a really cool thing.

792
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.119
And I'm pretty sure she didn't name the program that

793
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.840
she had signed them up under, but I'm pretty sure

794
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.079
it's similar to one that I have a family member

795
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.559
who is not able to care for himself, and so

796
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.599
his brother, who is able to care for him, gets

797
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.760
paid through the state as the main caregiver for his brother.

798
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.599
And so I think it was one of those things.

799
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:12.599
So it takes so much to take care of him.

800
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.159
That why wouldn't you just pay a family member who

801
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:16.960
loves them and is going to take care of them.

802
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.679
So it's a really neat thing. So Rachel felt really

803
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:23.039
blessed for this to happen because where she hadn't been

804
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:28.039
contributing much financially to the household, this new income, this

805
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.599
new program added a lot of money. Not a lot,

806
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.920
but they needed it and it added that money, and

807
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.960
Janie started doing really well financially because it became a

808
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.360
significant part of her income getting paid to help do

809
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.239
this and take care of Writer. And so now that

810
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.519
she was getting paid for that, it really became her.

811
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:53.159
Janie's main role was to care for Writer a lot,

812
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.039
and Rachel understood this obviously, but Rachel would be lying

813
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.800
if she said she didn't get her feel hurt. One

814
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.440
day when she went on an outing to Rider's school,

815
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.280
So Janie and Rachel went together to the school for

816
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.159
a little event that they were having there, And while

817
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.840
they're walking up to go to the event, it seemed

818
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.800
like everyone at the school knew Jane really well, like

819
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.880
really well first name basis situation, as in, everyone from

820
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:26.679
the principal down to the teachers other parents, even they

821
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.119
knew Janie, and it really hurt Rachel's feelings because she's like,

822
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.039
I'm the mom and nobody knows me. I'm just I'm

823
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.480
hurt right now, and it was like no one seemed

824
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.480
to know that, no one seemed to realize that Rachel

825
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:41.480
was the mom. But she's really hurt and that's why

826
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.880
she's unable to drive and.

827
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:43.800
Do all of these things.

828
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.360
And it almost seemed like Jane had led people to

829
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.559
believe that she was Writer's actual mom or his parent,

830
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.719
and it really just hurt Rachel's heart. She wasn't an

831
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.360
absent mom mom. I think I've been pretty clear about that.

832
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.559
It was the the situation that they were in, but

833
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.679
it was what it was. I mean, you know, Janie

834
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.239
was up at the school and help him do stuff.

835
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.599
But it really did hurt her feelings. But you know,

836
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.280
Rachel still couldn't drive, she really couldn't walk much, and

837
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.079
so she knew it wasn't the case. It just she

838
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.519
had taken it personally. Another frustration Rachel felt, though, was

839
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.960
that Jamie started wanting to take Rderer to work with

840
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.840
her whenever she would go work at at that other facility.

841
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.440
And the thing was. Rachel wanted to ride her home

842
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:32.280
with her.

843
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.639
But she couldn't physically stop Janie, you know, when she

844
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.719
would wake up and then the Janie would already have

845
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.559
left with her son, and she's like, she'd call her

846
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.360
and say, look, I really would like him to stay

847
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:43.840
home with me.

848
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:45.000
I want him with me.

849
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.559
And it got to the point that it really started

850
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.639
bites between the two women because Rachel's like, it's my son.

851
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.920
I want him home with me, and Jannie's like, yeah,

852
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.440
but you can't take care of him like I can,

853
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.599
and I'm getting paid to do it, so I'm gonna

854
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.760
be taking care of him. And it almost felt like

855
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.719
a custody dispute broke out between the two of them,

856
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.280
even though Janie had no relation to this kid whatsoever.

857
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.679
But they both loved him, is what it boiled down to,

858
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.440
and they both wanted what was best for him. People

859
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:18.360
who love you with no motives are always good character judges,

860
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.559
you know, like kind of when your mama doesn't like

861
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.840
a guy and it sucks for you because you're like, no,

862
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.800
you don't understand, but mama really knows. Because mama loves you,

863
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.639
and she knows she can see the difference well, that

864
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:33.880
kind of became the situation between Rachel's sister and Janie.

865
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:38.159
Rachel's sister wasn't a big fan of Janie, and she

866
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.079
told Rachel this, She's like, look, I think that Jannie

867
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.960
kind of has latched onto you and is almost trying

868
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:44.880
to be you in.

869
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.639
A way, like this is sick.

870
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.360
It's kind of gross how she's like always trying to

871
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.719
do what you should be doing in your life type thing.

872
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.239
But you know, Rachel kind of poo pooed that and said, no,

873
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.719
she's helping me. It's just it's kind of weird because

874
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.679
I do need all the help, and you know, she's

875
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:00.159
my friend.

876
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.239
It's fine.

877
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:04.800
Well, there was another friend. Her name was Robin, and

878
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.760
Robin was a medical student and a friend of Rachel's.

879
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.639
So Robin went to the University of Utah School of Medicine,

880
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.719
and Robin and Rachel had met whenever Rachel was still

881
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.320
working as a paramedic, because Robin was doing rotations at

882
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.239
an emergency room or emergency department at a hospital, and

883
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:26.360
so that's how they met and became friends from seeing

884
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.320
each other during the shifts. And Robin even said something

885
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.920
to Janie one day and said, you know, Rachel almost

886
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.920
like it's like Jennie almost is possessive of you, and

887
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.760
it's weird. And she even said it's almost like Janie

888
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.039
has romantic feelings for you, like she wants to be

889
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.960
with you or something. And then you know, Rachel's laughing

890
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.320
about that. She's like, gross, No, you know, that's my

891
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.800
best friend, not my lover.

892
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:55.760
Quit saying that.

893
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.559
But more people that was in their friendship hip group

894
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.159
started to point that out and say, I think she's

895
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.079
in love with you. You know, like, who acts that way.

896
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.239
Y'all aren't in a relationship. But Rachel, it wasn't y'all,

897
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:11.000
it wasn't true.

898
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:11.360
Okay.

899
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.480
Rachel's like, that's not the case. We're just really close friends.

900
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.599
We have been for twenty over twenty years, and it

901
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.920
just that's not the case. She's just a jealous friend

902
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.440
and everyone has their flaws and that's just how it goes.

903
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.239
Okay, She's that's just one of her flaws.

904
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.480
She's jealous and she only wants me to be her

905
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:32.400
best friend. Well, over the next few years, Rachel would

906
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.360
go on to have a total of seven back surgeries

907
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.559
because of the injuries and them trying to fix the

908
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:43.039
problems that were going on, and because of those back surgeries,

909
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.960
she was having some balance issues and she ended up

910
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.960
falling and guess what, she herniated a disc in her neck,

911
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.360
and the next herniation was so bad that she ended

912
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.199
up having to have surgery for that. So there's a

913
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.360
lot of surgery going on. And because of Janie's meticulous nature,

914
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.360
it was a blessing in disguise because now that Janie

915
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.119
was having to take medication and all of that, Janie

916
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.960
was really good as a caretaker. She even kept logs

917
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.760
on the nightstand. At anytime that Janie would would give

918
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.599
medicine to Rachel, she would log it. And you know,

919
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.559
Rachel was really worried about accidentally, you know, overdosing or

920
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.880
doubling up because you know, it was really strong pain

921
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:24.880
medicine at that time.

922
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.199
And this Janie took care of her.

923
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.639
Janie made sure that didn't happen and would keep the

924
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.039
logs and all that of the medication kept her on

925
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:38.480
track and everything well. On June twentieth, twenty eighteen, Janie

926
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.800
took Rider out with her. It was a Saturday, and

927
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.280
she took Write out with her to go do some

928
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.199
stuff and Rachel was feeling good enough to get up

929
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.079
and to walk a little bit. So she walked down

930
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.679
to their mailbox, and to her shock when she got

931
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.079
the mail, there was a letter in there from the courts,

932
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.480
and the courts were saying that Rider had been appointed

933
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.840
a guardian at litem for a custody case. Now, remember,

934
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.079
Writer's dad is nowhere in the picture, his bio, his

935
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:10.800
sperm downer, whatever you wanna call him, he's not in

936
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.440
the picture at all. So this meant that it didn't

937
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.719
quite make sense. This meant that the courts would have

938
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.199
appointed a specific person to look after and protect the

939
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:26.119
interests of Writer because he's unable to take care of himself.

940
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.960
And usually, you know, when when that's appointed, it's it's

941
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.000
typically typically a miner or someone who's you know, disabled

942
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.440
in some way. And the person that had been appointed

943
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:41.960
in the paperwork was Janie. So Rachel immediately calls Jane

944
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.440
and says, what is going on? What is this paperwork?

945
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.280
And there's kind of this pause over the phone, and

946
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:51.400
then she just says, are you suing me for custody

947
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.760
of my own son? And Janie, who had been acting

948
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.719
very normal at first in the conversation.

949
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.199
Got quiet and then sheepishly.

950
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.960
Says, yeah, that's what I'm doing, and then hangs up

951
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:08.320
on her. So freaked the hell out, and I don't

952
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.760
blame her. Rachel calls nine one one and she says, look,

953
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:16.519
my roommate took my child and won't return him. He's nonverbal.

954
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.920
I'm scared for him. I don't know why this would

955
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.880
have occurred. And as she's making the report, nine one

956
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.559
one advises her of something that blows her ever loving mind.

957
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.280
As if this wasn't already bad enough, nine one one

958
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.920
tells Rachel that there is a protective order against her

959
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:43.480
who was the victim, her own son, her child. So

960
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:48.119
she said, what the hell? How could this be? He's nonverbal,

961
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.320
he's a child. This has got to be a mistake.

962
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.199
There's no protective order between me and my kid. I'm

963
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.880
his mother. I'm the only parent he's known. But it

964
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:02.920
wasn't a mistake, y'all. They advised her that a protective

965
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.960
order had been placed against her by Jane and that

966
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.840
she should have been served with that, and Rachel is

967
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.039
just she doesn't she's dumbfounded. She doesn't even know what

968
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.960
to do. That morning, everything was fine, and now all

969
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.440
of a sudden, She's got a protective order against her,

970
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.360
and her best friend is suing her for custody of

971
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:32.039
her own kid. She's literally almost incapacitated by surgical injury.

972
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.760
She still had stitches up the back of her neck,

973
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.679
could barely walk, couldn't lift anything. So how in the

974
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.599
hell did she qualify to have a protective order put

975
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.440
out on her or against her?

976
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.360
How? It just doesn't make sense.

977
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.800
And on top of this, since Janie lived in the

978
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.440
same house with Rachel and that was her place of residence,

979
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.920
Rachel had to move out, she had to leave her

980
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.079
own house, and she could not take her son with her.

981
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.920
He was to stay with Janey, who had now been

982
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:16.519
awarded temporary custody of him. That whoa like that? That's

983
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.440
mind blowing. You would have expected her to have to

984
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.480
have done something and had to have been served paperwork

985
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.159
before this could have even happened, But that was not

986
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:25.760
the case.

987
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.000
And it was not a joke nor a dream. This happened.

988
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:34.079
So here's the you know, this is this is generalized information, okay,

989
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.079
And what I'm saying obviously could vary by jurisdiction and

990
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.800
by state, but generally nine one one would know in

991
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.360
some capacity of a protective order, because after the court

992
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.320
issues it, it's going to be input into the nine

993
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.599
one one system because those operators need to know that

994
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.800
in in emergent situations, nine to one obviously has access

995
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.800
to that information because they would have to be able

996
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.280
to give that back to the officers that are onseen

997
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.280
because if there was a dispute or something, the officers

998
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:08.840
show up and then come to find out there's a

999
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.679
protective order between the two parties, the officers then have

1000
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.320
the authority to arrest the violator.

1001
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:14.840
Of that order.

1002
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.480
And so in the nine one one system, it's basically

1003
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:22.280
going to show the names they pull as either a

1004
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.360
protected individual or basically an aggressor. Okay, that's how it's

1005
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.000
going to show up. It's not just gonna have two names.

1006
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.840
We're gonna get know who is kind of the victim

1007
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.719
or the protected person. Here's the thing, though, I don't

1008
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.800
know exactly how the turn of events went, but I

1009
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.960
do know that a judge gave custody temporarily to Janey.

1010
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.760
And before a judge will do that, they have to

1011
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.679
have a reason why. I mean, that's checks and balances

1012
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.960
at minimum. Now, this is scary because this looks like

1013
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.639
anyone could just take your child. You know what I've

1014
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.519
told you to this point. But like I'm always saying,

1015
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.280
if you are a longtime listener, trust and truth are

1016
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.519
hard to come by these days, you know. And this

1017
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.840
is a prime example, because this seemed to come out

1018
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:12.840
of nowhere. And our systems and our laws are created

1019
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.599
and they're put into place assuming that they're going to

1020
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.280
be accessed and used in truthful ways by honest people. Okay,

1021
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:26.320
never forget that ideally, protective order applications are filled out

1022
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.519
by a victim or a potential victim that might be

1023
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:34.480
hurt who needs immediate protection until a hearing can be

1024
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.599
held to determine all of the details and all of

1025
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.360
the threats that need to be considered. The reality, though,

1026
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:46.519
in this situation is it's that dishonest people will use

1027
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.000
and abuse this system for their own gain. So let

1028
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:53.639
me explain real quick what I mean. Emergency protective orders

1029
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:59.719
they give immediate protection in urgent situations. And the key

1030
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:03.199
here is that these type of orders are issued a

1031
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.599
lot of times outside of regular court hours, and they

1032
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.280
can be issued without a formal hearing. That's different versus

1033
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.199
other types of orders, which would require a hearing first,

1034
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.239
so follow me. Emergency protective orders don't have to have

1035
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.599
the hearing initially. So these orders are usually pretty short term.

1036
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.480
You know, they're short short time frames until that more

1037
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.360
comprehensive hearing can be help can be can take place.

1038
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.480
But the point here is that anyone who would be

1039
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.800
wanting to take away a child could And I'm telling

1040
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.719
you not to do this obviously, but I'm telling you

1041
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.440
that people do this all the time in custody disputes

1042
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.719
where there's like no court ordered custody in place, Yet

1043
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.039
people do it all the time. Ask anybody you know

1044
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.320
that works in like a clerk of court's office, call

1045
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.079
my bluff and them, but this happens all the time.

1046
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.480
They could go and fill one out and have it granted,

1047
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:09.760
especially if they lie or exaggerate about something. The judge

1048
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:12.360
is only going to be going off of the application,

1049
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.440
and again that's all they have to go off of

1050
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.840
until that formal hearing. And so people who are dishonest

1051
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.559
use it to their advantage because it can be issued

1052
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.320
immediately and no formal hearing and for ten days they

1053
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.480
get what they want, even if they're being dishonest. It

1054
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.199
sucks but like I just told you, the system is

1055
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.000
built with the belief that honest people are going to

1056
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.920
be accessing it for truthful reasons. But people don't do

1057
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.880
the right thing, and good people can suffer the consequences

1058
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.360
of that. It's not an infalluable system. So what happens

1059
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.480
in these emergency protective orders if there's a minor involved, Okay,

1060
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.400
DCFS or Child Protective Services is going to assign a

1061
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.360
risk assessment or do a risk assessment when they are

1062
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.599
notified that there might be some type of of abuse.

1063
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.440
And so then what they do is they assign a

1064
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.320
priority of how soon do they need to send out

1065
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:13.079
an investigator? Well, presumptively, you know, this probably didn't get

1066
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.599
that high of a priority, like as in they needed

1067
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:18.679
to immediately go out. And that's why in this situation

1068
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:23.039
almost ten days were allowed to pass before anything would happen.

1069
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:29.000
But if Jane had told the courts that she was

1070
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:33.920
the mother or the main caregiver of writer and then

1071
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:38.719
maybe because again I don't know how she did it exactly,

1072
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.199
but this is kind of like an educated guess.

1073
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:42.800
But what if she had told the.

1074
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.199
Courts, look, I'm the main caregiver, and then what if

1075
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.000
she just so happened to have a copy of that

1076
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.719
insurance policy that she was the beneficiary of, that showed

1077
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.719
quote unquote proof of her status as a caregiver because

1078
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.639
she's being given the child in the event the mom dies.

1079
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.519
And who knows, maybe.

1080
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:02.920
She went in there and did claim to be a

1081
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.440
common law wife of Rachel. I don't know what the

1082
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.559
claims were, because I don't have that paperwork. But what

1083
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:14.639
happens is any of those claims would give extra credibility

1084
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.000
to her situation and that she's the guardian of this child,

1085
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:25.239
and so this ex partey, this emergency injunction would happen

1086
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.840
or could happen, and then she would be given temporary

1087
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:33.840
custody of Writer over his biological mother. If you're curious

1088
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.719
how that could have happened, I'm just gonna say, I

1089
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.119
think a frickin nailed it right there.

1090
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:37.840
But I don't know.

1091
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.000
That's just an educated guest, But I hope you can

1092
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:43.159
see how this could have been manipulated into what it is.

1093
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.159
So this is what I'm thinking. I think a dishonest

1094
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:51.320
Janey manipulated a system to her advantage.

1095
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.840
Because Rachel was a devoted.

1096
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:56.599
Mother and Writer had never been away from her full time,

1097
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:01.079
not even for not even as a vacation or anything.

1098
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.440
Writer was always with his mama until she had surgery

1099
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.760
and was in the hospital, and woman to woman, I'm

1100
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.440
gonna tell you now, that's probably the worst thing that

1101
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.000
could ever happen to a mama, is you take her

1102
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:18.199
child away. But the order claimed that Rachel was neglecting

1103
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.920
her son and was an active drug user who wasn't

1104
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.239
taking care of his basic needs. I do know that

1105
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:30.519
that was in there, and there were painkiller prescriptions from

1106
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.599
all the surgeries that she was having, and she could

1107
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.119
Jane could have shown those to back up.

1108
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.280
Look look how many drugs she's taking.

1109
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.400
But until that hearing, Rachel had to leave the house

1110
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.920
and all she could do was go to a nearby hotel.

1111
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.440
She called her dad beside herself, and her dad got

1112
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.679
her a hotel. This was just unbelievable, but she was

1113
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.960
helpless to fight it in the moment because the judge

1114
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.519
had ordered it. So CPS did come out and they

1115
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.480
spoke to Janie eventually a few days later, and that's

1116
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.679
whenever Jane advised them that Rachel was a drug addict,

1117
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.880
addicted to pain medication and was not taking care of Writer. Well.

1118
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.599
Then CPS went and they spoke to Rachel, and almost

1119
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.400
immediately when they started speaking to Rachel, CPS recognized that

1120
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.360
something was very, very wrong here because Jane had left.

1121
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.199
Out some really pertinent information.

1122
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.239
Yes, Rachel was on these drugs, but for starters, Janie

1123
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:34.079
never mentioned any surgeries. And that's why she had all

1124
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.360
this pain medication. It wasn't like she was doctor shopping.

1125
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:43.000
She literally had serious surgery. Also, Janie never mentioned to

1126
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.800
them that she was the one administering the meds and

1127
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.159
keeping logs on this. That's not a drug abuser, that

1128
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.519
the woman who had surgery. So almost immediately after that,

1129
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.679
whenever the hearing was held, Writer was returned to Rachel

1130
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:01.440
and there was no basis found for Janie's claims. So

1131
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.320
it did work out that she got her child back.

1132
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:07.599
But for those days, absolute misery and fear. You know

1133
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.199
you've lost your baby. Rachel's mother had already passed away,

1134
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:15.000
and her dad had moved to South Carolina, Carolina, and

1135
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:18.159
her sister was five hours away, so she had nowhere

1136
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.320
to go, and she realized, I got to get away

1137
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.639
from Janie. This is crazy, So she had to move

1138
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:27.480
out but she's limited physically, and she really had nowhere

1139
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:29.800
to go because there was no family there. So while

1140
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:34.719
it was horrible, Rachel decided to swallow her pride and

1141
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.639
she moved herself and ride her into a family shelter.

1142
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.719
That's all she could do in the moment. But the

1143
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.840
issue became that writer's autism. It was not a good fit.

1144
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.960
He was not doing well. He even began to regress

1145
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.719
in all that he had grown to at that point.

1146
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:57.480
So she's at the shelter though for two months, and

1147
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.800
it's not going well. It's very difficult. And two months

1148
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.519
go by when Janie calls her out of the blue

1149
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:06.440
and says, look, I just want to see Rider, please.

1150
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.800
And the reality of it was that Rider wanted to

1151
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.159
go home back to their house and he was missing

1152
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:15.480
Janie too. And I know right now you're fume and

1153
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.519
you're like, how in the hell? But Rachel didn't want

1154
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:24.079
Ryder to suffer, and so she said, all right, we

1155
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:25.599
can meet up and you can see him, but it's

1156
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:26.400
going to be at a park.

1157
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:28.320
I'm not going to the house.

1158
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.920
So they met up at a local park and once

1159
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:35.639
they got there, Jane apologized profusely. She said, look, I

1160
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.320
was in a dark spot. I thought that you were

1161
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.559
going to move out. I thought I was going to

1162
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.119
lose you and Rider, and I'm sorry. It was really

1163
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:45.800
the bad decision.

1164
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.280
It was wrong.

1165
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:48.440
I shouldn't have done it, but it was just really,

1166
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.400
really bad. They had a huge heart to heart. They

1167
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.480
kind of talked about a lot of things, and it

1168
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.760
seemed like the old Janie there. She was kind of

1169
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:59.199
shining back through. Ryder was thrilled to see her, and

1170
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.159
so Janie said, would you just consider coming back to

1171
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.880
the house and limited on choices, and she also had

1172
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.519
another surgery that was upcoming that she had to have

1173
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.440
to complete the issues that they were trying to fix.

1174
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:18.039
She was hesitant, but she agreed, Okay, I'll come back

1175
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:19.920
because she just needed the help and she was in

1176
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.920
a bad spot. Friends and family were like, bad idea.

1177
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.960
But Rachel's a grown adult and that's really kind of

1178
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:29.079
the decision she had to make. In that moment, Ryder

1179
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.400
immediately perked back up. He started doing really well being

1180
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.079
back in the house that he knew, and so that

1181
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.840
really helped Rachel to make that decision. And Rachel didn't

1182
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.039
jump into her surgery. She actually waited a bit before

1183
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.280
she went and had it because she wanted to make

1184
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.000
sure everything was going to be okay, and it was.

1185
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.880
It was going great, it was going smoothly. Janie was

1186
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.719
back helping with Ryder and it was smooth sailing. So

1187
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:56.639
April of twenty nineteen, she has another surgery.

1188
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:57.960
It went great.

1189
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.559
Rachel even offered again to help with any medical assistance

1190
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:03.880
that she needed while she was getting better. It was

1191
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.159
welcomed because the surgical site was all the way down

1192
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:11.119
the back of her neck and the incisions were really

1193
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:12.519
hard for her to get to. She had to have

1194
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.920
wound dressing and this ointment had to be applied. So

1195
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.480
Janie graciously agreed and would nurse her, would come in and.

1196
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:20.599
Take care of her.

1197
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.320
But a few weeks after that surgery, Rachel began feeling

1198
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:27.000
a lot of pain in that incision and she was like,

1199
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:28.119
maybe I have an infection.

1200
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.920
I don't know.

1201
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.880
Janie was religious about changing these dressings and rubbing these

1202
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.280
ointments on it, so that should not have been the case.

1203
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:40.119
And so, like I said, that incision was vertical down

1204
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:42.559
her neck. It was really long, and then it had

1205
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.159
these stary strips on either side of it going horizontally

1206
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.000
down her neck, and so she even asked Janie, can

1207
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.079
you look at it? Is there anything going on back

1208
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.519
there that looks alarming? And Jenny's like, no, it looks fine.

1209
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.239
You know that maybe it's a little red, but this

1210
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.760
is part of the healing process, you know. It just

1211
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.360
doesn't look that bad. Well, then the incision a few

1212
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.559
days later started getting really bad, like to the point

1213
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:07.920
that Rachel was afraid something was really wrong.

1214
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:09.239
This is not normal.

1215
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.920
It got so bad that it seemed like she was

1216
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.119
having trouble breathing, like like it seemed it was pushing

1217
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.199
into her trachea from behind that it was so swollen.

1218
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.519
So finally she went to a dock in the box that,

1219
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.079
by the way, that's what I call like a like

1220
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:27.000
a quick urgent care type.

1221
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.280
Place that you go to. I'll call him dock in

1222
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:28.679
the box.

1223
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.320
Anyway, I shouldn't said that, But she goes to a

1224
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.840
dock in the box to have it evaluated.

1225
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.280
The doctor pulls or calls her back. She sits down.

1226
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:41.039
When the doctor takes the bandage off, he literally like

1227
01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:44.400
jumps back and is like, whoa, what's going on?

1228
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:45.639
What happened? She's like, what do you mean?

1229
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:50.880
Not only was it infected, but it was a massive infection.

1230
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.800
When he removed those stairy strips, blue cheese looking like

1231
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.719
materials started pouring out of her neck. It was bad, infected,

1232
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.000
so serious that the doctor at the dock in the

1233
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.519
box called an ambulance and said, you have to go

1234
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.960
directly to the er right now, without question. You cannot

1235
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:12.360
go home. This could be a deadly You've got to

1236
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.039
go now. So the ambulance picks her up and they

1237
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:20.480
take her to the hospital. Well, she arrives there and

1238
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.719
they had to reopen this wound that had been healing,

1239
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.239
and they had to clean it out, and when they

1240
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.800
cultured it, it came back positive for MRSA. Now, MRSA

1241
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.800
is a bacteria resistant to antibiotics, and that's why it's

1242
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.519
so deadly, or it can be so deadly.

1243
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.159
It's like a serious staff.

1244
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.559
Infection, and you can get it in hospitals and it's problematic.

1245
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.519
So they started her on vankomyasin. But when they started

1246
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.440
her on it, it began to attack her white blood cells,

1247
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.360
and it attacked so bad that she started to die.

1248
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.760
It was really bad. She was already compromised medically, and

1249
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.320
and this had the real potential now of leading to

1250
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:07.000
a blood infection and sepsis and just killing her. A

1251
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:10.039
matter of fact, my husband's grandmother died of sepsis within

1252
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.639
twenty four hours of the first moment she felt.

1253
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.800
Sick, so I do know for a fact it's bad news.

1254
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:18.760
But then Rachel, after it got cleaned out and was

1255
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:20.559
stayed in the hospital, she did end up turning a

1256
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.280
corner and amazingly it got better, and then she was

1257
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.719
eventually released to go back home. Janie and Ryder were

1258
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.960
obviously thrilled to see her and that she had made

1259
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.079
it through this really tough time. Well, on June ninth

1260
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:37.280
of twenty nineteen, Janie helped Rachel get in the bed,

1261
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:41.760
lay down, she took her medicine, and Rachel fell asleep. Well,

1262
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.559
when Rachel woke back up, she was in the hospital.

1263
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.000
She wasn't at her house, and she's confused, why am

1264
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:48.320
I here?

1265
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:48.960
What happened?

1266
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:52.159
And they told her that her blood glucose had dropped

1267
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:56.119
to the number thirteen. If you're a nurse or you're diabetic,

1268
01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:59.559
right now, you're stroking that I just told you that number. Okay,

1269
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.440
she wasn't diabetic. Your average blood sugar should be between

1270
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.880
like eighty and one, ten, one twenty round there.

1271
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:08.880
This was horribly abnormal.

1272
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:14.559
Was this was deadly okay, and poor Rachel was suffering

1273
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.800
one thing after another, and now the blood sugar that

1274
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.519
was low was making it miserable.

1275
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:21.280
I mean, I can imagine.

1276
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:24.360
I can't imagine, but I know what low blood sugar

1277
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.239
feels like, and it makes you sick. And so she

1278
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:30.559
stayed in the hospital for forty eight hours until her

1279
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.800
levels leveled back out and she was able to maintain it,

1280
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.679
and then she was released to go home. And so

1281
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:37.800
the hospital said, you know, maybe this was a fluke.

1282
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.360
They did test, she wasn't diabetic, you know, they weren't

1283
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:43.239
sure what happened, but it had to have just been

1284
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.719
a fluke of some sort. So she went home on

1285
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.400
a Sunday, and Tuesday she woke back up in the

1286
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:52.800
hospital for the exact same reason. They kept her eight

1287
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:57.000
days this time, and Rachel even posted on Facebook that

1288
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.320
she was saying that she was scared. Jane had found

1289
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.719
her unresponsive, called an ambulance. The ambulance came and got her,

1290
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:05.960
and now they were worried that maybe cancer of some

1291
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.679
sort could have been causing this. I didn't understand that,

1292
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.079
but whatever she said, she was worried that cancer might

1293
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.800
be causing this dramatic drop in the blood sugar, and

1294
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:19.320
doctors were so perplexed, as were her friends. Remember her

1295
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.559
friend was a doctor, the one that did rotations at

1296
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.119
the hospital. They they started to wonder if Rachel was

1297
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.960
doing this to herself, like was this some kind of

1298
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:31.880
strange attention grab that she was doing because this was

1299
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.880
not happening naturally. This was not something that it doesn't

1300
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:37.679
work like that, and it's not going to drop like that.

1301
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:42.320
It wasn't a naturally possible event in the doctor's opinion,

1302
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:48.000
that these numbers got that low. So Rachel was adamant, though,

1303
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:50.360
I'm not doing anything to myself. I swear I'm not.

1304
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.960
I haven't done anything, I'm not taking anything. And it

1305
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.119
freaked Rachel out so bad that when she finally was

1306
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.719
released back home, she started eating spoonfuls of sugar, just

1307
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.880
sugar before she would go to bed at night, to

1308
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.000
hopefully spike her sugar so that she wouldn't die in

1309
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.400
her sleep. I mean, it was just this emotional medical

1310
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.760
roller coaster, one thing after the other, and the emotional

1311
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:16.119
toll of all of it really started to restrain that

1312
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.800
relationship between Janie and Rachel, and again they just started

1313
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.279
to grow apart. The relationship deteriorated to the point that

1314
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:29.840
Rachel decided, after over twenty years of friendship, that she

1315
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.279
was just ready to move out. It wasn't gonna work

1316
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:34.680
and she had to do go live life on her

1317
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:38.079
own and on her own terms. In doing so, Rachel

1318
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.920
wasn't sneaky about it. She told Janie, look, I'm moving out,

1319
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:44.000
and I'm also going to just remove you as the

1320
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.760
beneficiary of my will, and I'm gonna go ahead and

1321
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:50.760
put my dad as the recipient of writer since you know,

1322
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.560
I'm going to be moving out and we won't be together.

1323
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:54.399
Every day or anything.

1324
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.239
And she understood, You know, I understand that that makes sense.

1325
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:58.600
You know your dad needs to take care of him.

1326
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.560
So Rachel then shortly thereafter to her safe to retrieve

1327
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.600
her will from it. But her will wasn't in the safe,

1328
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.000
and she couldn't remember what happened, like why it in

1329
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:09.960
the safe that's where I normally keep it. So she

1330
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.439
just kept an eye out looking forward to see where

1331
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:17.039
it was so that she could make the change. So Janey, again,

1332
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:18.760
like I told you, she understood it.

1333
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:19.279
Is what it is.

1334
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:22.600
She felt the strain to but she said, look, it's

1335
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:26.199
almost Christmas, it's the holidays. Let's just at least enjoy

1336
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.399
our holiday together, me, you and Ryder. We can at

1337
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.800
least have Christmas. We at least stay until like the

1338
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:34.119
twenty fifth of December, and we can have Christmas together

1339
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.880
before you leave. And Rachel said, yeah, that's no problem.

1340
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.520
You know, they don't hate each other. It's just wasn't

1341
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.600
good anymore. So December twelfth of twenty nineteen, a man

1342
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.600
by the name of Steve kat Is is how I

1343
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.119
believe you say, or kate is cat Is. He was

1344
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:56.039
working at the Salt Lake City FBI branch and he

1345
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.079
was focusing on a case that was happening on the

1346
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.399
dark web. And y'all, the dark web is crazy. You

1347
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:06.039
can buy everything on the dark web, from porn to fentanyl.

1348
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.960
I mean you can get anything, child porn, anything horrific

1349
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:11.560
that you don't need to have, you can find it

1350
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.319
on the dark web, promise you. And he was investigating

1351
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.840
someone who was trying to purchase a potential weapon of

1352
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:23.119
mass destruction through the dark web, and so many people

1353
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.399
wonder what exactly the dark web is. So Look, I

1354
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.680
know this isn't something podcasters normally do, but Mom's about

1355
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.039
to just teach you about the dark web. Okay, so

1356
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.199
let me give you a little bit of insight. The

1357
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.680
way I want you to think about the dark web,

1358
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.439
or think about the Internet. Okay, The way I want

1359
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.359
you to think about the Internet, for starters, is like

1360
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.680
the ocean. Okay, you've got the clear the deep in

1361
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.600
the dark. The ocean got the clear of the deep

1362
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.239
in the dark. Well, the web is, or the Internet

1363
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.239
is very much the same thing. So when you are

1364
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.159
searching on Google or Being or any search engine that

1365
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.359
you're using, you're using the clear web. The way I

1366
01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:00.479
teach in my classroom to students is clear consciences. Use

1367
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:02.560
the clear web. You know, how do I get to

1368
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.000
my doctor's office? How much dog food should I feed

1369
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.119
a puppy? All the stuff that you just randomly google.

1370
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:09.199
How much does a hippo way? You know, whatever you're

1371
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:12.199
normally googling and your weird you know, events at home

1372
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:14.039
when you're bored and you're checking stuff out. That's the

1373
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.640
clear web. You're just researching stuff. Then we have what's

1374
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.279
called the deep web. Now, the deep web's part of

1375
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:23.720
the Internet, that you can't find it in a basic

1376
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.319
search engine on the Internet. It's not evil or anything,

1377
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:29.680
so I don't think that it's It's just a very

1378
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:35.119
secure type of Internet, and if you hacked this, you

1379
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:37.520
would get in a whole lot of trouble. It holds

1380
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:44.000
things like medical records, private financial information, secure communications. The

1381
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.119
best example I can give you is if like you

1382
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.800
check your medical records online, if you log into things

1383
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.199
like my chart or whatever it is that you use

1384
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:53.720
something similar, you have to use a log in and

1385
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:56.600
that's protected. There's a lot of security features in place.

1386
01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:00.560
And the deep web is massive. That may up about

1387
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.039
ninety percent of the Internet. So think of it like

1388
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:08.560
the deep web. Hacking the deep web would get you

1389
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:10.840
in deep trouble. That's the way I teach it in class.

1390
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:15.640
So the deep web is very protected. And then you've

1391
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.239
got the dark web, and the dark web is a

1392
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:22.520
hidden part of the Internet. Dark thoughts go to the

1393
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.600
dark web. It only makes up about six percent of

1394
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:29.439
the Internet. To really put it in to quantify it

1395
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:35.199
for you, it's really small, but it's really bad. So basically,

1396
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.239
people who want anonymity to do bad things do it

1397
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.520
through the dark web because what happens is it uses

1398
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:49.239
a network of different servers to hide your identity and

1399
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:53.920
your locations when you're doing the searching. So real quick disclaimer,

1400
01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:56.680
don't do this. What I'm about to tell you, do

1401
01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.359
not do it. If you are accessing the dark Web.

1402
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.199
Your first of all not very bright, and you get

1403
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.880
whatever the hell you deserve. But to really hammer it

1404
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:07.079
home for you, the Supreme Court has even ruled in

1405
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.600
favor of helping the FBI on this one, because you

1406
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.600
have a right to a reasonable expectation of privacy like

1407
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:15.800
when you're researching, but you don't have a right to

1408
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.520
complete privacy, So you don't have the right to try

1409
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:23.960
and hide illegal activities online food for thought. Everything I

1410
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:25.399
am about to tell you, by the way, you could

1411
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.439
find it online. It's not top secret or anything. But

1412
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:31.800
I want to make sure you're crystal clear before I

1413
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:32.159
tell you.

1414
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:34.079
We have a thing called Rule forty one.

1415
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.560
It falls under search and seizure laws, and a judge

1416
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.279
can sign off for a warrant for this kind of behavior.

1417
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.960
So do not do it. As Woody Overton would.

1418
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.199
Say, he'd my warning. Okay, but here's the deal.

1419
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:52.000
Unlike the regular Internet, the dark Web does not use

1420
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:59.039
standard URLs or search engines. Instead, it uses these really

1421
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:04.359
complex addresses, they'll call them like onion addresses. It makes

1422
01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.199
them really difficult to find unless you have the exact

1423
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:11.680
URL to look it up. So everything from data theft

1424
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:16.640
to selling illegal things to human trafficking, it's all there.

1425
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.520
This is what people do. Number one, They get what's

1426
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:27.399
called a VPN. A VPN basically hides your Internet activity.

1427
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.640
Then they're going to install a browser that is not

1428
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:34.439
a regular search engine like Google or Being These browsers

1429
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:40.039
are usually referred to as Tor browsers. Unlike regular browsers

1430
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:45.000
that directly connect to websites using your ISP address on

1431
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:51.960
your computer, Tour routes your searches through several different relays

1432
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:55.119
before it ends up reaching the destination that you're trying

1433
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.640
to get to. And by using Tor in combination with

1434
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:04.319
a VPN, it basically encrypts your Internet signal and it's

1435
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:09.039
making it's making it invisible to your ISP. It knows

1436
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:11.960
you're trying to that you're accessing Tour, but it can't

1437
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.359
see past that, and so it's basically a multi layered

1438
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:21.079
redirection while you're searching, and it leaves no trace from

1439
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:22.720
where this search originated.

1440
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:25.119
So I wasn't trying to get like overly technical, I guess.

1441
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.439
But if you're not computer brained, it's kind of like

1442
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:32.600
this non criminal example sort of kind of Let's say

1443
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.960
you wanted to buy a Christmas present, but you didn't

1444
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.439
want your spouse to know about it, so you can't

1445
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:40.560
use your bank account because then that purchase could be

1446
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.560
seen on your statement, So you're trying to hide it

1447
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.720
from your spouse. So you go pay cash for a

1448
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:50.600
gift card that you then use to purchase that gift

1449
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:51.840
you want online.

1450
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:53.119
But then you have that.

1451
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:57.760
Gift delivered to your work, to just a generalized department,

1452
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.560
and then a clerk puts it in a delivery room

1453
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:03.800
where you go and you pick it up, and no

1454
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.880
one ever knew the contents of it, and it's not

1455
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.960
tracked back to you. If that made sense to you,

1456
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.560
that's the best example I can give you in a

1457
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:11.199
non I guess computer.

1458
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:11.520
Type of way.

1459
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:15.640
But in this case, what he was, what this FBI

1460
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:19.119
agent was looking at, was someone was attempting to buy

1461
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:25.039
versa online. I know I talked about MRSA earlier, but

1462
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:28.600
this is versa. Versa again is a bacteria a staph

1463
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:33.640
infection that is resistant to antibiotics and it's stronger than MRSA.

1464
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:37.880
Okay, specifically, this.

1465
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:43.159
Person was wanting Vanka Miyason resistant VERSA, which is a rare,

1466
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:46.159
rare number of cases that take place, and that's per

1467
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.359
the CDC because I did look it up, but it

1468
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:53.039
does happen. So biological agents that are being brought into

1469
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.159
the US via the mail, those are considered weapons of

1470
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:00.199
mass destruction because they can grow, they can populate. To

1471
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.439
think about like COVID, how it can spread, spread, spread, spread,

1472
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.600
So this was obviously a red flag and an investigation

1473
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:09.079
was launched. Who was buying it and what the hell

1474
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.079
are they buying it for. They didn't know if it

1475
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:14.680
was going to be grown and introduced to a community

1476
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:18.039
to spread and try to take out the US. It's

1477
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:21.640
a very dangerous situation for people, and so the FBI

1478
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.600
decided to set up a sting operation to determine who

1479
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:28.439
the purchaser was. So the FBI then posed as the

1480
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:33.239
seller of the versa and the purchaser then came back

1481
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:38.079
and requested expedited overnight shipping, which the FBI, pretending to

1482
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.920
be the bad guy selling the versa, agreed to. The

1483
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:45.039
purchaser then paid extra service to have it sent quickly,

1484
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.279
and so then the FBI sent fake Versa to the

1485
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.279
post office, but they added a tracking receipt to it

1486
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:57.199
so that the buyer would be alerted whenever their package arrived.

1487
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.800
So on December fifteenth of twenty nineteen, the package was

1488
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:04.119
sent to UPS. The FBI was outside of the building,

1489
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:07.960
watching from an unmarked vehicle for someone to come and

1490
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:11.560
collect that package, and eventually a person did show up,

1491
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.199
went in and then came back out with the package.

1492
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:17.560
They saw it, they made the visual and they knew

1493
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.159
that that was their fake Versa that had been picked up.

1494
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:24.319
So they followed this person back to their place of

1495
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:29.000
business and followed the person inside. Once they got inside,

1496
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:33.880
they approached the woman and they asked to speak with her.

1497
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.479
So she says, sure, you know, how can I help you?

1498
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:38.960
And they said did you go to UPS earlier today?

1499
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:42.479
And she flat out told him no, didn't happen. So

1500
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.960
they continued to question her and she eventually said, oh, yeah,

1501
01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:48.920
I did go. I picked up some coffee that I ordered,

1502
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.560
but I haven't opened it yet. Is there should I

1503
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:53.920
be concerned? Is there a problem with that? Like, I

1504
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.760
don't understand, and so the FBI agent that's questioning this

1505
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:01.800
woman stopped and looked at her and goes, look, we

1506
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:05.000
know what's going on here. You may want to rethink

1507
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.439
and try again before you give us any more answers.

1508
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.800
And that's when the woman finally, after some more talking,

1509
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:17.359
broke down and admitted, yes, I did go online and

1510
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:20.399
I did order the biologic because I wanted to make

1511
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:24.319
beer with it. So the FBI agent says, you want

1512
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:26.760
to make beer with it? Yes, okay, well where are

1513
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.800
all the other supplies for the beer that you're trying

1514
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:30.000
to make with this biologic? Do?

1515
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:31.079
Where is it? Do you have it yet?

1516
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:32.560
And she's like, oh no, I didn't buy it yet.

1517
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.239
I've never made it before. And so Christmas Eve is

1518
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:36.840
in a few days, New Year's Eve is in a

1519
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.199
few days, so I was gonna make it for that purpose,

1520
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:42.000
but I've never done it before, so I don't have

1521
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:43.960
the rest of the stuff yet. Well, the FBI is

1522
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.000
like super unimpressed with that answer, and they say, look,

1523
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.279
last chance, just be honest. Did you buy the versa

1524
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:51.840
or did you not buy it? Just tell us what's

1525
01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:55.000
going on, because we already know what's going on? And

1526
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:57.960
she then says, fine, look, I ordered it because I'm

1527
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.800
a biology teacher and I wanted to do some research

1528
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:05.520
on it because my friend has been really, really sick. Okay, well,

1529
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.840
who is your friend? And that's when she says her

1530
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:16.319
name is Rachel, and that's when Jane was identified and

1531
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:21.359
arrested for attempting to purchase a weapon of mass destruction.

1532
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:26.680
She freaks out and it's like, I'm not a terrorist.

1533
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.479
I don't know what this is about. You don't understand.

1534
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.680
My friend has been very sick. She's been in and

1535
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:33.880
out of the hospital. No one's been able to give

1536
01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.319
her answers, and so I wanted to do some testing

1537
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:40.199
on this because I want to find an answer for her.

1538
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:42.119
You don't understand how sick she's been.

1539
01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.640
Well. The next day was a Tuesday, after all of

1540
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.000
that went down, and Rachel was laying in bed sick

1541
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:49.760
whenever she heard the knock at the door, and when

1542
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:53.760
she opened the door there were three FBI agents there

1543
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:57.600
with a search warrant to search her house. So asking

1544
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:00.359
for an explanation of what is going on. Mind you,

1545
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:01.840
she's had a pretty weird year so far.

1546
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:04.640
Would we all agree with that so or a few years.

1547
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.880
So she's wanting an explanation, and that's when they let

1548
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.960
her know that her roommate Janie had been arrested for

1549
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.399
purchasing bacteria on the dark Web because she was going

1550
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:18.479
to do testing in her biology class on it. Well,

1551
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:20.520
Rachel kind of screwed her face up and said, wait what,

1552
01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:24.479
super confused by this and said, Janie is not a

1553
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:30.159
biology teacher, And so the FBI is now, you know, going,

1554
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.239
she's not She's not a biology teacher. No, And they're like, okay, well,

1555
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.199
what about does she make? Does she homebrew beer or

1556
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:42.279
anything here at home? And she's like, no, there's got

1557
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.840
to be a mistake here. Something's not right. And so

1558
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.600
then the FBI agents kind of started wondering if maybe

1559
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:53.520
Rachel had sent the package to herself and maybe was

1560
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.359
trying to set up Jane. So they sit Rachel down

1561
01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.159
and they start questioning her. So Rachel obviously starts panicking

1562
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:02.880
and wondered if something had happened and now she was

1563
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:04.920
in some type of trouble for something she didn't know

1564
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.640
what was going on. And I mean, y'all gotta agree

1565
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.720
anything's possible. At this point, it's been pretty strange. So

1566
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:14.319
they explain or they're talking about the situation with Janie.

1567
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:17.359
She immediately starts defending Janie. I've known her for twenty

1568
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:20.840
five years. She would never do anything illegal. She didn't

1569
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.880
even you know, she didn't even think about herself being

1570
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.920
a suspect. She was just defending Janie. This has got

1571
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.079
to be a complete and total misunderstanding. She doesn't even

1572
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:31.920
know how to do what the dark like what? None

1573
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:34.279
of that makes sense. It's not even in her wheelhouse.

1574
01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:37.720
And so the FBI further explained to her, look, Janie

1575
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:42.199
ordered Versa through the mail. It's worse than MRSA. They

1576
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.920
also revealed that they knew some information that they thought

1577
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.880
Mike could explain playing a role in this, and so

1578
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:51.600
they said, look back in twenty ten, wasn't there a

1579
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:56.039
custody dispute between you two? There was, wasn't there? Because

1580
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:59.680
we think that she may have purchased this to try

1581
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:04.079
to her you and Rachel busts out laughing, are you

1582
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:07.920
kidding me? No, no, no, no, no, no, You've got

1583
01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:11.600
this dead wrong. And then they said, well, I mean

1584
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:13.880
you keep saying stuff. It's you know, she wouldn't even

1585
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:16.760
know how to do this, but that's not the first

1586
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:20.319
time that she's bought something on the dark web before.

1587
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:25.319
I mean she's bought other medical things before on the

1588
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:30.359
dark web. And that's when a light bulb went off

1589
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:37.079
in Rachel's mind and she said she was thinking to herself.

1590
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.399
She didn't say this, she was thinking to herself. After

1591
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:41.800
that horrible infection that she had and she was in

1592
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:46.119
the hospital for everything got cleaned up. She returned back

1593
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.399
home from the hospital and because again she couldn't do much,

1594
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.800
Jamie and she would watch a lot of TV together

1595
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:56.880
because Rachel couldn't do much else, and their favorite thing

1596
01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:59.239
to watch was true crime on TV.

1597
01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.319
Well, during one of the shows that they.

1598
01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:06.399
Were watching, a nurse murdered her husband using sexcental coline

1599
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:10.399
and Rachel scoffed at the idea while they were watching it,

1600
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:12.760
and she's like, look, I mean I expect a nurse

1601
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:15.920
to know better. Succential coline will show up in an autopsy.

1602
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.159
And Jady said, what do you mean it'll show up

1603
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:22.119
in an autopsy? Like you, what's your point? And Rachel said, look,

1604
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:25.199
it would be a suspicious death if you use sexciental coline.

1605
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.359
You would have to use something natural like insulin and

1606
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.079
be smarter because you know, insulin's naturally occurring in the

1607
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:33.359
body and it's less likely to be tested for a

1608
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:37.159
nurse of all people should know that. And that's thoughts

1609
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:39.279
going through her head. And Rachel looked up and pointedly

1610
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.039
asked that FBI agent did she might ever buy insulin?

1611
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:46.840
And the FBI agents almost choked on their own spit. Okay,

1612
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:50.239
they never mentioned anything about insulin. They were very kind

1613
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.279
of general about what they were saying. But guess what

1614
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.359
we're in Jennie's purchases that only the FBI agent knew

1615
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:06.359
there were sedatives ketamine xanax and insulin injector pins. All

1616
01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:10.760
of those times that Rachel went to the hospital sick

1617
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:16.800
and on the verge of dying, She's like, was my

1618
01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:17.760
best friend?

1619
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:20.159
The cause of that is?

1620
01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:22.479
That? Is that what you're trying to tell me for real?

1621
01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:26.000
But the reality of the situation, y'all, was much worse

1622
01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:31.000
than that. Janie didn't just inject her with insulin on

1623
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:36.199
two occasions. She had tried to kill Rachel five times

1624
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:42.600
over the last year. Jane had begun to secretly inject

1625
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:48.079
Rachel with different substances. Shortly after that, in March twenty nineteen,

1626
01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:52.760
next surgery, the infection that she originally got in her neck.

1627
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.199
The doctors tested it whenever they reopened it at the

1628
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:58.760
hospital and it had that MRSA.

1629
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.239
But the tests also showed it.

1630
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:04.960
Contained E coli, which is usually found in the gastro

1631
01:26:05.399 --> 01:26:09.319
intestinal track, and notes from the doctor in her medical

1632
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:12.760
chart said, there's no explanation for this to have been here,

1633
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.640
and they believe that it had somehow been injected from

1634
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:20.880
an external source. Per their own notes, that infection was

1635
01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.319
in fact caused by Jane infecting or injecting E. Coli

1636
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.680
into the wound when she was pretending to care for it.

1637
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:32.880
Rachel even thought back about the time she would scream

1638
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:36.520
and like writhe in pain while Janie was pretending that

1639
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:39.000
it was inadvertent pain, while she was putting creams and

1640
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:41.520
stuff in it. She was putting needles in the back

1641
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.560
of her neck and injecting her with something to try

1642
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:48.600
and kill her. But when those attempt or that attempt

1643
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:54.920
didn't kill her, Rachel by chance had mentioned insulin being

1644
01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:57.199
a naturally occurring thing in the body when they watched

1645
01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.199
that show, and so Jane went in purchased those really

1646
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:05.239
strong painkillers and that ketamine online on the dark web.

1647
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:08.520
So when she was given Rachel her pain meds for surgery,

1648
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.880
she was giving her this other stuff too. She'd give

1649
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.439
enough to like knock her out, and then she would

1650
01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:20.359
inject her with the insulin. And during the investigation, when

1651
01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:24.880
this is what their belief was, it was solidified because police.

1652
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:27.920
Found hidden used insulin injection.

1653
01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:31.760
Needles in Janie's office at work, and then they sent

1654
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.079
those needles to the lab and lo and behold, Rachel's

1655
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:38.800
DNA was inside of those needles that she absolutely had

1656
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:43.319
been injected with insulin. The doctors were right, this was

1657
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:45.880
being done to her. Her insulin would never have dropped

1658
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.800
that low. I mean, hell yeah. For these doctors, man,

1659
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:52.920
they're doing amazing. And when that didn't kill her after

1660
01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:54.760
a couple attempts, remember she went back and forth to

1661
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:57.720
the hospital with the low blood sugar. That's when she

1662
01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:00.920
ordered the versa and she paid for with three hundred

1663
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.079
dollars in bitcoin, which by the way, is common on

1664
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:06.880
the dark web to pay with that type of cryptocurrency.

1665
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:12.520
About that time that she bought that versa is when

1666
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:15.239
Rachel told her that she was going to be moving

1667
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.359
out and changing her beneficiary and custody for Rider. And

1668
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:23.479
that was the day that Jane then contacted the seller

1669
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.920
on the dark web and asked to expedite the delivery

1670
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:29.479
because she realized she only had a few days left

1671
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:32.640
to kill Rachel while she was in the house, and

1672
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:36.479
since Rachel was already immunocompromised, that versa would have been

1673
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.319
beyond deadly if she would have had the chance to

1674
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:43.279
inject her with it. And again, also during the search,

1675
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:49.319
guess what investigators found in Janie's glovebox. Rachel's will that

1676
01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:55.159
was missing was in Janie's glovebox. But why why did

1677
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:58.960
she want Rachel dead? Well, I know right now you're

1678
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:00.640
going obviously for the light insurance.

1679
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:02.439
Hold up for a second.

1680
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:08.279
Basically, what happened was Janie held Rachel captive and experimented

1681
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:13.359
on her that entire time because she wanted to take Rider.

1682
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.399
It was all about Rider. It wasn't the money. The

1683
01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:20.680
money would have been great, but she wanted Rider and

1684
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.439
she did everything she could, and when the courts didn't

1685
01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:25.680
give him to her, that's when she started to kill her,

1686
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.000
to try to kill her. If Rachel would have died,

1687
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.039
Janie wouldn't would have gotten away with it. Rachel would

1688
01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.880
have been so sick that her death wouldn't have wouldn't

1689
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.680
have even been looked at as suspicious because she had

1690
01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:39.960
had all of these medical problems and it was already

1691
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:44.319
documented that means probably wouldn't have required an autopsy. Janie

1692
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.800
not only would have gotten the five hundred thousand dollars

1693
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.840
in life insurance payout, but she also would have gotten Rider,

1694
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:54.279
who it's believed she was obsessed with, and he was

1695
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:58.159
the target, make no question about that. And then the

1696
01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:01.560
icing on the cake would have been that everyone would

1697
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.720
have praised Janie for her amazing heart and for taking

1698
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:08.560
on her best friend's special needs child in raising him

1699
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:12.239
as her own. That is how that would have gone down.

1700
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.880
Thank God for good doctors, good medicine, and the FBI.

1701
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:18.960
What a weird combo, but what a great, what a

1702
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:21.520
great you know, Thank God for these people that do

1703
01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:24.079
their job and they do it well. Jane was arrested

1704
01:30:24.279 --> 01:30:27.119
and she was charged in December of twenty nineteen with

1705
01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:32.079
a multitude of charges, including aggravated abuse of a vulnerable adult,

1706
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:37.279
attempted aggravated abuse of a vulnerable adult, and attempted acquisition

1707
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:40.840
of a biological weapon. But here's the kicker, and you

1708
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.199
know there is always a kicker. As part of a

1709
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:49.680
plea deal, Janie Ridd pled guilty to buying bacteria on

1710
01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:51.920
the dark web to use it against Rachel.

1711
01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:53.279
And because she.

1712
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:58.880
Agreed to plead guilty to that, the prosecutors dropped the

1713
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:03.920
charge of aggravated abuse of a disabled person. And that,

1714
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:07.199
my friends, that would have been a third degree felony.

1715
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:13.800
But because they dropped it, it took away that felony

1716
01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:19.199
that would have had this mandatory long term time that

1717
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:23.239
she would have spent. So based on the plea agreement,

1718
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:27.000
the judge in the case ordered her to serve from

1719
01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:31.960
one to twenty years. Kudos to the judge one to

1720
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:38.760
twenty but incredibly, she only served are you ready for this?

1721
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:45.439
Twenty five months. She was granted parole in January of

1722
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:51.600
twenty twenty two, the thought process being that she wasn't

1723
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:58.600
a danger to society just Rachel at that time. So

1724
01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:03.319
I guess what the parole board must have forgotten to

1725
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:08.439
listen to were the phone calls that Jane continued to

1726
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:13.800
make in jail. Because even after her conviction, after she

1727
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.479
tried to kill and do all of these things. Even

1728
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:21.039
after she was locked up, she continued to profess her

1729
01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:24.640
desire to take Rider from Rachel, and she said it

1730
01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:29.159
to everyone she spoke to, even after she had been convicted.

1731
01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:32.880
Her exact words, quote unquote, he needs to come back

1732
01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:33.159
to me.

1733
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:38.960
Now. Does that sound like a woman that's learned her lesson?

1734
01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:40.760
It doesn't to me.

1735
01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:45.760
Her release after such a short sentence is ridiculous when

1736
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.760
our job is to protect the innocent and those who

1737
01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:53.720
cannot speak for themselves, and instead they release a woman

1738
01:32:53.960 --> 01:33:00.159
who came within an inch of killing someone repeatedly. I've

1739
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:04.560
never learned her lesson, per her own recorded conversations, She's

1740
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:08.600
dangerous and now all Rachel can do is just keep

1741
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:13.399
watch and stay vigilant because they let her out. It's

1742
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.000
cases like these, and I hope people are listening to me.

1743
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:19.560
It's cases like these that show just how much the

1744
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:20.119
good of.

1745
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:21.560
Us are up against.

1746
01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:26.920
Twenty five months for almost stripping a vulnerable child of

1747
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:30.760
his mother for the rest of his life, not to.

1748
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:32.399
Mention Rachel's life.

1749
01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:36.119
I bet if Ryder were the grandson of a parole

1750
01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.319
board member, she'd have been spending that twenty I bet

1751
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:44.039
it would have been different. The plea bargain dropped that

1752
01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:46.920
serious felony. Yet I hang on to the fact that

1753
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:50.840
the judge ordered one to twenty years, because that judge

1754
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.880
had this belief that the parole board would use common

1755
01:33:53.960 --> 01:34:00.279
fucking sense. Yet here we are, here we are Shame

1756
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:03.600
on that parole board. Shame on you, for if you

1757
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:05.840
are the ones who released that woman. I would have

1758
01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:08.960
protected that child with the same veracity that I would

1759
01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:12.840
have protected my own writer is a little boy and

1760
01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:16.560
he needs protection. Janie ridd was fifty one years old

1761
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.439
when she was sentenced, and if I would have had

1762
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.840
my say, she would have spent that twenty Those doors

1763
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:24.359
would have slammed so fast and for so long behind

1764
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:25.800
her ass that she would have been more likely to

1765
01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:28.279
have a meeting with the coroner than the parole board.