July 22, 2025

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Season 7

This episode details the tragic case of Martha Crutchley and Joshua Ford, whose 2002 getaway turned deadly due to jealousy as they were tragically murdered by A Hooters-obsessed woman and a former Navy SEAL.

Timestamps
01:46 The Ocean City Getaway
07:18 Meet Martha and Joshua
21:02 The Disappearance
30:22 Uncovering the Truth
47:30 The 911 Call
56:43 The Aftermath
59:16 The Search for Remains
1:10:47 The Polygraph Confession

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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I'm covering today, I've got to tell y'all, I have

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wanted to do this one for so long because it's

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a case that I learned about a long, long, long

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time ago, up far before I even started the podcast,

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and it was one that always stuck with me, and

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it just me a few days ago I said, girl,

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you need to get on that one. So I'm gonna

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do this one, and you're gonna have to come with

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me to Ocean City, Maryland. And this is gonna take

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place in May of two thousand and two. This is

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where Martha Crutchley had planned a Memorial Day weekend getaway

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with her boyfriend of two years. His name was Joshua Ford.

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Now this was kind of an interesting relationship because Martha

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was much older than Josh, even though that was her boyfriend.

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And when I say much older, I'm not talking five years.

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I'm not talking ten years. I'm not talking fifteen years.

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I'm talking twenty years. There was a twenty year difference

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between them. But Martha was the cougar for Josh, and

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their chemistry was just simply undeniable.

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They had met.

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Two years prior to this date at a Christmas party

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in Boston, and they just hit it off from the jump,

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and I just that was so cool to me that

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the age gap didn't change the fact that they just

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fell for one another and Josh jump in feet first.

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He just fell for her quickly. Now let's talk about

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Josh for a minute. Josh was a very tall and

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handsome guy. Very He was ten, with dark hair and

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dark eyebrows. Thin but handsome, and he had a lot

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going for him. He attended Norfolk State University in Virginia

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before he did a stint in the army, which you know,

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I always hats off to my military people.

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It just shows I think that he was a driven.

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Guy and he had a way he wanted to go

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in life, and he knew it. He was taken life

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by the reins, so eventually he would get out of

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the military, he would get that education, and he would

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work to become an accomplished mortgage broker. And he was

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a dedicated employee at the job where he worked, very respected,

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did an excellent job, and outside of work, he was

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somebody that was super close with his family. Now a

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little bit of background about him is that he had

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previously been married before he met Martha, but the two

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decided after some time that it just wasn't working out,

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and they decided to divorce amicably, but not before having

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a son together whom they raised with love, although not

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together and separately. But it seemed to be just a

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great setup where two adults understood that this just wasn't

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working out, but the child is who took the center stage,

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and they did everything together.

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To give that child a good life.

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That child, at the time of this story was now

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eight years old, and Josh was just a proud papa,

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so proud of his kiddo, and they loved to hang

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out doing their father's son time. And one of the

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great pastimes that Josh had was that he was an

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absolute fan of the Celtics, and that was one of

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the things he loved to do was to watch them

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playball on TV. And then he also made time in

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real life to help people because he liked to volunteer

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as a youth counselor at the Turner Memorial, a me

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church in Washington, d C. Now, interesting about that is

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that this is a predominantly black church. It's a historically

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black church from what I understand. But he loved pouring

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into the youth of that area, regardless of the fact

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that he wasn't black himself. He just believed in outreach

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and that you can help change the life of a child,

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or at least impact that child's life. Now, the girlfriend Martha,

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she didn't go by Martha is that not just a

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dated name in twenty twenty five, But she went by Genie,

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So for this story I will call her Genie. Jeanie

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was in her early fifties, like I told you, but

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very young at heart for sure.

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She loved to have fun. She was always smiling.

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She was interested in going out and having drinks, listening

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to bands, and just having good quality time with her

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boyfriend Josh. She too, was extremely successful. She was a

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successful insurance executive and the fact that she was dating

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a much younger man that didn't stress her out at

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all because this relationship, the word I guess I would

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use to describe.

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It is gentle. I don't want you to get a

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thought about these two that she.

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Was some kind of like cougar trying to look younger

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and get a younger man, or it is not that

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at all. Genie very much looked her age. She very

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much lived appropriately as the age that she was, and

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Josh kind of seemed like an old soul from what

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I understand about him. This relationship was just an amicable

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meeting of two souls that saw just a wonderful connection

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when they got together. And Jennie was very secure in

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herself and everything that she had to offer to Josh.

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She appreciated the fact that.

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He was only thirty two years old, but he carried

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this maturity with him that balanced with her life experience.

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Genie was cute too, y'all.

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She had this dirty blonde hair, it was cut just

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above her shoulders, and she had bangs that casually kind

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of above or righted or eyebrows. Together as a couple,

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they created a kind and most generous duo that friends

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and family felt was just destined for nothing but happiness

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and success together. So just recently the two had moved

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in together too in Fairfax, Virginia, and now they were

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looking to go do a little rest and relaxation when

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they drove to Ocean City for the weekend, so they

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made reservations to stay at a condo that was right

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near the beach and also right really central to the

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night scene going on there. They made it safely whenever

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they drove into town and they unpacked their things in

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the condo. This couple was also neat, They were orderly,

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They did not make a big mess of the place

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whenever they got there. And then at some point, once

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they settled in, they decided to go to the store

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and they bought a few things, like they got some

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snacks and some drinks or whatever, and then they just

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turned in for the night at the condo. And the

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following morning they got up. I don't know if they

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slept din or not, but I feel.

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Like they would have.

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It was it was a vacation, right, But they got

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up and drank their coffee lazily, kind of hung out

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and looked over the water and really were enjoying each

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other's company. They spent that day relaxing and having some

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fun in the sun before night fell, and when night fell,

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they wanted to go out and really experience not only

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dinner a good dinner too.

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But some nightlife.

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That's why they were there, and as is custom in

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vacation areas like Ocean City, the couple used a bus

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system to get around town and from point A to

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point B. So eventually, after they had dinner and everything,

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they decided to check out a local popular nightclub called Secrets.

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Now you may not care about this, but I'm gonna

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tell you it's spelled Sea cr et S, so Secrets

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it's kind of a play on the word c. So

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this is exactly two the area and the place that

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you would expect of the type of beach nightlife. Neon signs, DJs,

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food and just a really relaxed atmosphere. And they have

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this live entertainment at night. There's waterfront dining in that area.

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There's eighteen bars in one area, so definitely gonna be

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a fun night, no matter really where you ended.

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Up on that strip of where the bars were.

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So the couple loaded into a bus that was going

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to take them downtown to that area, and when they

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got in they settled down into the seats next to

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each other, cuddled up and excited for the night to

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come because they were going to do some drinking and

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they were going to do some dancing and it was

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going to be fun. And we all probably can relate

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to this feeling of when you it's the evening, you've

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been at the beach, you've had just a little bit

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too much sun, you've had a fresh bath, you put

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on your cute clothes that you brought for vacation. It's windy,

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hot nights on that waterfront. Can you feel what I'm feeling?

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Because I know exactly, I know exactly.

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What they were going through while they were there, and

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your love is with you and you're having drinks and

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it's just the perfect mis of a fun night to remember. So,

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as the bus is driving down though to get to

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the night life, it stopped. Obviously it stops to pick

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up more people, and the kind couple decided that they

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wanted to help out another couple who got on the

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bus and didn't realize they had to have exact change

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in order to pay for the ride.

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It was just a requirement for the bus fare.

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So chuckling at the kind gesture, Josh told them, hey, look,

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I'll pay for it. We have exact change, but you

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got to buy us a drink whenever we get to

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the bar.

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And it was just such a friendly thing to do.

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It's something that I would enjoy doing, you know, just

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pay for somebody's fare, what was it, three bucks and

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then make a friend in the making. So the couple

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looked at them, was like, deal, bro, you'll get us there.

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We don't have any problem buying you a drink, and

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so they all high fived as they took their seats,

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just having been saved a long walk down to where

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the night life was. So the bus carried everyone down

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there and everybody onloaded, and the couple who had gotten

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on and were short on change were going to be

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people of their word too, And that was great because

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after they all entered the bar, that couple eventually did

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bring drinks to Josh and Genie and were like, hey,

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we so appreciate it, thank you so much. Handed them

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the drinks, which led to them sitting down at the

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table with Josh and Genie and they all sat around talking,

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joking and enjoying the music and everything that you would expect.

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They went over the howdy does, and names and jobs

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and where are y'all from? Just a little get to

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know you is that you do whenever you meet people

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when you're out of town. And then they got to

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hearing stories from home from each other, you know, just

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casual talk, and they laughed throughout the night as the

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drinks flowed and the music continued to just be loud

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and making that atmosphere fun. The couple that was also

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on vacation that brought those drinks to Josh and Genie.

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Their names were Erica and Benjamin Seifert, and they were young.

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They were cool. They were easy going and fun people.

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They had a life that wasn't quite like Geni and

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Josh too, because while Geniy and Josh had more reserved

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and predictable lives with these established jobs and you know,

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everything was kind of ABCD, Benjamin had stories that rivaled

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that of action movies. He wasn't just some dude y'all either.

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Benjamin was a Navy seal Okay, that is big time.

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He had been raised in Minnesota and his family wasn't

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rich or anything, and the fact was that he really

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sucked at school. He wasn't good at it. But whenever

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he got out of high school. That's whenever he enlisted

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in the Navy. And once he enlisted in the Navy,

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that's when everything changed.

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His calling had been found.

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And there's such a beautiful, amazing feeling when you feel

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like you've actually met your calling in life. I knew

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for a fact whenever I was teaching high school students

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about criminal justice that once I got on steady ground

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and got a grasp of what I was doing, that

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I was right where I was meant to be. I

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knew it for a fact. I would go home. It

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just elated in those years that I was doing that.

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And now I feel like I really am where I'm

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supposed to be. Now, do you Because if you don't

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go find it. I know I'm in the middle of

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a story right now, but go find it. Life is short.

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Go chase those passions. And that is what happened with Benjamin.

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So while bookwork and note taking were not his jam

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whatsoever in school, swimming and fighting were so. In nineteen

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ninety seven, that's whenever he had finished first actually in

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his Elite Seals class. It wasn't just that he was

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a Navy seal. He finished first in his Navy seal class.

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So for context, if you don't know much about that,

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to finish first in Navy seal training, this means that

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you're graduating at the top of your class. But graduating

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doesn't necessarily mean like GPA okay, and that you're the

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smartest person in the room.

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It requires more.

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It requires more than just intelligence, more than just physical

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strength and endurance. It means that you display exceptional mental

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toughness on wavering commitment, and that you have the ability

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to perform under extreme stress, sleep deprivation. And basically, what

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I'm telling you is that if you are the number

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one in your seal graduation class, you're the frickin' beast

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amongst other beasts.

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To put it as best I can.

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So when I'm talking about Benjamin, by the way, he

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goes by Ben or BJ. So you may hear me

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say both, but it's the same person. Erica and BJ

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had met in a bar while she too was a student,

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but she was at Mary Washington and they met two

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years after he had completed his seal training. Now she

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Erico was nobody to just you know, kind of laugh

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off either. She was an excellent basketball player. When I

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say excellent, I mean the best and so good so

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that her parents, even from what I remember, had built

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a basketball court at their home so that she could practice,

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you know, all the time, and keep her skill up.

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So she was an excellent basketball player. And then she

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also had obtained her bachelor's degree in history. So the

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two when they met felt also an instant connection and

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so much so you might find this crazy, but they

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got married just like three weeks after meeting, in a

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whirlwind romance turned marriage.

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They didn't tell anybody.

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They flew to Vegas, they got married, and then when

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they got back they told their parents, which caught them

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way off guard, and they were at first like, excuse me,

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you don't even know each other. You know, you've known

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each other three weeks, how could you get married. But

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eventually everybody kind of settled in, everybody chilled out, and

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the married couple went.

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About their lives.

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But maybe that's why, in one way that they got

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along so well, because excellence in any form recognizes excellence, right,

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and you don't normally see, normally see a complete loser

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making it in life with a total winner.

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You want to be similar in life.

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And the other couple that they just met up with

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Genie and Josh were also excellent people with excellent lives,

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and so no wonder they all became friends that night.

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There was another couple too that would come up and

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become friends with them. Their names were Anne Carlino and

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Jeff Heisey. So these six adults partied, told stories, and

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really just danced the night away. Definitely going to be

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a vacation for the books. So the following week rolls

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around and it's now Tuesday of the following week, and

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Jeanie's workplace was very alarmed whenever she no showed to

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work after the weekend, and I even did a little

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more looking into this. Not only did she not show,

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but she actually was kind of like the boss that

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had set up a meeting, and she had never in

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the history of her employment called for a meeting and

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not shown, nor had she never just not shown up

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to work. So it was very alarming to everybody that

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knew her and knew how prompt she was and how

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dedicated to the job she was. So they contacted the

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Fairfax City Police, who then after taking the report, turned

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around and they got in touch with the Ocean City

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Police to see had Genie been arrested or were there

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any reports involving a couple that may have been hurt

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or were they at the hospital or or anything of

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that nature, but there were none. There were no reports

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of any problems that weekend, so police agreed to follow

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follow up. The city police at the Ocean area. They decided, look,

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we will follow up. We're going to continue to see

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if we can figure anything out. And so they ended

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up go finding the condo where Josh and Jeenie had rented,

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and they decided to go there to see if maybe

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they had gotten sick or something in that realm of

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of what was going on. So there, when they got there,

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the first thing they noticed was they found Jennie's car

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still in the parking lot of the condo and they

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could tell just by looking at it that it had

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not been moved in literally days. And I know, you're like, well,

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how would they know that? That's kind of a weird thing. Well,

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where this condo was, obviously there's sand, and so if

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a car stayed parked for a couple of days with

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the wind blowing and everything, sand would actually build up

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on windshield wipers. And the sand was there, it was

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piled up. The location of the vehicle was also kind

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of strange because when they located the vehicle, it was

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actually at the very end of the parking lot near

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the road, which meant that whenever they must have arrived

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to this condo, the parking lot was packed because remember

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it was Memorial Day weekend when they got there, and

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so they had to get a crappy parking spot way

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far away from the entrance to the condo, really almost

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to the highway, but that was now over and the

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parking lot was empty basically because it was a Tuesday.

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But her vehicle had never moved from that further spot away,

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and there were tons of empty spaces between them and

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the building, which tells anybody obviously the car had not moved.

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It also seemed like the car had not moved since

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their initial arrival because they were only going to be

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there for two days. So police were able to finally

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make injury entry into their condo, and there they found

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all the couple's belongings still inside, and the condo looked normal.

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It looked like someone had come in set down their

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stuff and that they had plans to return, but they

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weren't there. They searched the condo and they were not there.

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It was just empty with all of their things, So.

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Police did what police do.

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There was a trash can there, and they decided to

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go through the trash can see if maybe that would

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give him some insight to what was going on.

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And in that trash can.

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They found a receipt and it was the receipt from

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when they had gone to the store when they first arrived.

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So that receipt had a few things listed.

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On it as well as a timestamp and everything.

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But the things that were listed on the receipt were

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also all still located in the condo, and not only that,

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they were unused and the snacks were uneaten, so that

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again tells you that they got the stuff but never

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came back around to use it.

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There was no struggle.

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There was nothing odd that was seen in the condo

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other than they were not answering their phones nor could

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anybody find them.

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So more searching would reveal.

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That neither of the couple had made any outgoing calls

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from their cell phones nor made any credit card or

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banking card purchases since the twenty ninth, that would have

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been the second night that they were there on their trip,

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So this is obviously some big time red flags, and

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the police agreed, all right, we've got to actively be

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looking for this couple because something is definitely wrong. They

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checked at the hospitals, they were not there. They were

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nowhere in the jails, nothing like that. They seem to

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have just simply disappeared. The other issue here is that

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Josh would never, when I say never, never, not in

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a million years. Josh would never leave his son and

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not answer calls. Nor would Josh ever not show up

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to work. And guess who else didn't show up to

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work Josh. So something problematic had happened for sure, but

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there was just nothing lending itself to what or really

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when exactly that happened. So as all of this news

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is traveling back home and people are getting wind of it,

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Jennie's ex husband had contacted investigators about his missing ex

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wife because Geni had been married before, and those investigators

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kind of started having red flags raised about him because

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he would call multiple times, multiple times a week, like,

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constantly updates on if they had found Genie and if

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they knew anything. So they decided to look into him

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a little bit because most people, as we all know,

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most people who come in contact with foul play tend

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to know their attackers. Not always, but that is statistically true.

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The divorce, they found out, though, had been amicable. There

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was no history of violence between Genie and her ex husband.

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There were no police reports, nothing of that nature. Matter

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of fact, the ex husband was sickingly worried, and when

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they went and talked to him, he had nothing but

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good things to say about Genie. Everything he said was positive.

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He seemed genuinely upset that she was not accounted for.

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So they asked, you know, where have you been? Where

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were you during all of this? And they found that

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he had a rock solid alibi about his location the

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days that Genie and Josh had gone missing. I'm talking

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rock solid. So he was pretty much ruled out as

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a suspect. So then the police are wondering, well, well,

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is it possible that maybe Josh or Jeanie hurt each other,

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like maybe they got into a fight that turned big.

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But everyone that they spoke to literally laughed at that.

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You don't know, you don't understand, you don't know this couple.

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No freaking way, not possible, just not possible, and they

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really wouldn't even entertain it. So days would go by

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with no leads whatsoever to the missing couples whereabouts, and

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then the following weekend would come. So the Ocean City

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night shift was on duty. This was Friday, May thirty first,

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around midnight when an alarm was sounded at the local

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Hooters restaurant and bar. So when the alarm company notified

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nine to one one officers were dispatched to the location

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and they made it there within minutes, and it didn't

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take them long to nab the suspects either, because it

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looked like this was an attempted burglary that was going

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on of a closed Hooters, and they had an adult

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male and adult female suspect detained on the curb. So

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when the police had arrived, they noticed that there was

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a jeep Cherokee right there on site and the couple

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was actively loading merchandise from the Hooters into the vehicle

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when the police swarmed them.

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So, like, who the house steals Hooters merch? I mean, like,

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if I'm.

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Thinking about it, I guess I would be flattered if

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someone broke in and stole like unspeakable merch, But like

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Hooters really is is that what we're going to be

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stealing these days? Not money, but Hooters merch, so that

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in and of itself is strange as hell, but considering

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that their vehicle was still on site, the woman's purse

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was still in the vehicle, so it wasn't really hard

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to idea the burglars because they had their IDs right

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there on them, including the purse, and the couple was

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none other than Ben and Erica Cipher It. So I

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can tell you that catching a Navy seal and a

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college graduate burglarizing a Hooter's was not on my bingo

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card for back in two thousand and two, but it

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was in fact what was happening so incredibly too, to

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give you some insights his mindset. Incredibly then the Navy

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seal told police, hey, can.

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We just put it back? Because if we can just

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put it back, you know, we'll be cool. We'll leave.

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Like what how about no? How about a hard no

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on that. It's like ridiculous that you would even ask that.

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And then, as is way more common than you would

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ever believe if you've never done law enforcement, it is

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so common, Erica began to have a self diagnosed panic

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attack right there on the scene.

477
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:46.920
Y'all.

478
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.720
It's shocking if you've never were law enforcement you probably

479
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.880
wouldn't believe me, but you'd be shocked how many people

480
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:53.799
when they realize they're in trouble or that they're going

481
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.279
to jail, all of a sudden they have a heart condition.

482
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:58.880
All of a sudden, they have a heart attack. All

483
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.920
of a sudden, they can and not breathe, and they

484
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.519
need to go to the hospital. But that's just the

485
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:05.279
delay tactic.

486
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:06.960
You're still going to the hospital. I mean, you're still

487
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.480
going to the jail, right, But.

488
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.799
She started freaking out, and she explained, Look, I have

489
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.920
a severe anxiety problem. I need my xanax. I need

490
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:17.160
my paxel. It's in my purse. Please get it all right,

491
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.480
So real quick suggestion from me, you'res truly if you

492
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:25.079
have anxiety, how about you don't do high intensity things

493
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:26.839
like burglarized places, you know.

494
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:28.480
I mean, I'm no.

495
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.880
Expert on stress reduction, but that would probably be a

496
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.480
really good place to start. But before that would happen,

497
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.960
the suspects would need to be searched. Now, if you aren't,

498
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.200
again familiar with procedure, maybe you're a good person and

499
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.119
you've never been arrested. Hey, you might be a good

500
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.119
person and you were arrested to that note. But either way,

501
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.839
it's called search incidental to arrest. It's common, and that's

502
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:52.640
basically when you're searching the person to see if they

503
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.160
have any hidden weapons or to ensure that they don't

504
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.079
destroy evidence before they get to the jail, if they're

505
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.680
hiding something or whatever. Well, this would prove obviously a

506
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.839
really good move on police part, because it turns out

507
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:09.680
the couple wasn't just burglarizing Hooter's merch. They were armed,

508
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.319
and they were weren't just armed with a pocket knife

509
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.640
or something along those lines. Ben had a nine millimeter

510
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.160
pistol on him, like physically on his person, as well

511
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.240
as a knife, and then hidden tucked in the small

512
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.359
of Erica's back in her blue jean waistband, they found

513
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.480
a fully loaded three fifty seven magnum revolver as well

514
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.519
as a knife on her.

515
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.559
So these weren't just some little hootie duties, you know,

516
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:36.240
showing up.

517
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.480
It really seemed like they were willing to almost have

518
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:42.759
a shootout if possible, but they got caught with their

519
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.000
hands literally full, and so they didn't have the opportunity

520
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.680
maybe to pull their weapons. But now that the couple

521
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.640
was disarmed, an officer. His name was Sergeant Bean. He

522
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.400
did go grab her purse to look for the pills.

523
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:56.519
I'm gonna just tell you another side note real quick.

524
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.160
I seriously doubt that he was going to give them

525
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.960
to her. But considering she said I need you to

526
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.039
go in my purse, that now was like open game.

527
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:06.960
I'm just gonna go in your purse.

528
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.960
He could have done it anyway, but just let me know,

529
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:10.519
I don't think he was about to feed her some pills.

530
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:16.119
But inside that purse was a brown leather pouch, and

531
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.319
inside of that pouch he only found one of the

532
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.240
types of pills that she was requesting, so he had

533
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.160
to keep looking through the purse right and he also

534
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.279
found a red pouch in the purse that had medicine

535
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.839
bottles in it, but again they weren't that medication that

536
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.240
he was looking for which she requested. But there was

537
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.200
a zippered pocket on the back of the purse which

538
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.559
he unzipped and looked in there and again no pills.

539
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.759
But it was curious to him that he discovered four

540
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.359
three fifty seven casings that were spent, as well as

541
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.200
one live round in the purse. So he continued to

542
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:59.799
search and he came upon another little like gray change purse.

543
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:00.359
There.

544
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:07.599
The thing was, when he opened it, there were pictures

545
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.279
inside of it. So he pulls them out and he

546
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.839
shines his flashlight on it and realizes these weren't just pictures,

547
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:18.319
these were IDs like licenses, and whenever he flashes the

548
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.279
light on him to see good in the dark, he

549
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.799
was stunned when he read them because they were the

550
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.920
IDs of the missing couple. They had all been on

551
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.319
the lookout for for a week. It was Genie and

552
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:35.359
Josh's licenses, so obviously this now puts someone high alert,

553
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.759
and the officers searched the entire jeep to see what

554
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.039
else they could find, and in there they found more

555
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.880
than just Hooters shirts and drinking glasses. Inside the trunk

556
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.400
they found ski masks, flex cuffs, and another forty five

557
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.359
caliber weapon. So the couple was read their rights as

558
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.079
they were formally arrested, charged with their burglary and everything,

559
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.440
and they would be had to the jail. But there

560
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:04.960
were more pressing issues at the moment than this burglary.

561
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.720
Why the hell did these two burglary suspects have a

562
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.920
missing couples IDs? So their thoughts were, well, maybe this

563
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.920
is an identity theft situation or something along those lines,

564
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.680
and so they decided to do more digging to see

565
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.480
what connection they had with these IDs. However, considering that

566
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.920
the couple Genie and Josh, had not been heard from

567
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.200
in a full week, this gave cause for concern that

568
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.599
maybe the couple was physically in trouble or possibly even

569
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.200
being held against their will. Considering they found flex cuffs

570
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.039
and ski masks and all of that inside the Cipherd's jeep.

571
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.640
So whenever the.

572
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.279
Investigators were looking through the jeep, that's when they noticed

573
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.880
that there was a parking pass hanging in the rearview

574
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.960
mirror from a local condo rental called the Rainbow Bingo.

575
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.799
Is what police thought. That's where we need to go

576
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.279
in head. Let's go see if that's where this couple

577
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.079
was staying. So again I want to point this out,

578
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.480
Ben and Erica were not from there. If I didn't

579
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:14.039
mention that already, they too were just vacationing. They were

580
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.559
from Pennsylvania. They're on vacation, but still their condo that

581
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.279
they were staying at. They want the police wanted to

582
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.400
go make sure that Genie and Josh weren't there, and

583
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.519
tied up or something, and believing fully actually that they

584
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.640
were about to find Genie and Josh. A detective on

585
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.680
the way there actually radioed ahead and said, go ahead

586
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.640
and get me an ambulance or two there to save time.

587
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.119
He so believed he was going to find them injured

588
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.839
or tied up or whatever things in his mind were.

589
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.200
This could be very critical whenever we arrive. So when

590
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.799
the police got to the Seifertz condominium that they were

591
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.720
staying at, they also realized they were staying at the

592
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.000
penthouse of the Rainbow Condo. So this was going to

593
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.119
be a big, a big room that they were in,

594
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.920
and the condo when they got inside was not out

595
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:02.480
of sorts. Nothing actually looked to be a miss. So

596
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.359
they go in guns drawn, and they're clearing the room

597
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.759
or or the condo room by room, and they ended

598
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.640
up clearing the whole condo and no sign of Genie

599
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.720
or Josh. But after that they started taking a closer

600
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.519
look around and they started seeing small but yet concerning

601
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.319
things about the condo. First and foremost, there was a

602
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.799
stack of pictures that were laying on a glass table,

603
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.920
and so an officer picked him up and he's looking

604
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.759
through them, and that's whenever they realized it wasn't just

605
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.039
pictures of the Cipherts that were out on vacation.

606
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.640
It was also a few pictures in.

607
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.839
The stack that were of Genie and Josh out and

608
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.960
about at local restaurants and such, and so they're like, okay, well,

609
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.839
now we have another link because Geni and Josh are

610
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.160
clearly alive and well, and now this couple has photos

611
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:56.039
of them mixed in with their own photos. Disturbingly too,

612
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.920
considering what we know so far, is that there were

613
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.319
also a few Blok bullets on that table next to

614
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.119
the photos, so they weren't new bullets either. I want

615
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.000
to point that out. These were the spent casings. They

616
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.839
were the empty casings that were there on the table.

617
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.920
So those were collected as evidence because one of them

618
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.000
seemed to have blood on it or a substance that looked.

619
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.720
Like it could be blood on it.

620
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.039
And then on another table, investigators found a room key,

621
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.759
but that room key had a tag hanging on it

622
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.160
and it was not for the Ciphert's condo. It was

623
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:32.839
actually for another place, so it too was taken as evidence.

624
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.640
But the police were going to have to determine if

625
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.279
it had any value to the missing couple or not.

626
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:43.119
They didn't know, so while again this is circumstantial, they

627
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.279
also noted and took some photos of cleaning supplies on

628
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.599
the floor next to the master bathroom door in the

629
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:54.720
Ceifer condo. Well, considering everything so far, crime scene technicians

630
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.160
were brought in to try and process the area. And

631
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.440
so when they came in, they did an in depth

632
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.200
processing of the condo, and doing so it required that

633
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.480
they would have to like remove vanities and such. That's

634
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.960
how in depth they went, because they uncovered tiny spots

635
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.880
little I'm talking little, tiny, little spots that were believed

636
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.039
to be bloodstains, but there were none in large quantities,

637
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.159
just tiny, tiny specks, and a majority of those would

638
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.199
have been in that master bathroom as well. They found

639
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.639
them on the top of the counter, they found them

640
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.760
underneath in the underside of the countertop, a spot on

641
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.159
the floor, a spot under the vanity, then the backside

642
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.159
of the bottom drawer of the vanity, under the mirror.

643
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.320
Then they found them under the base board, under the

644
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:54.000
hot tub faucet, on the the hot tub step. There

645
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.079
was a sailboat candle on the hot tub. There was

646
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.719
blood on that and then they found some on the

647
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.320
wind as well as the shower. Again, it it wasn't

648
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:05.559
a lot. I don't want it to seem like there

649
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.320
was blood everywhere.

650
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:06.800
It wasn't.

651
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.159
It was just like specks of it, tiny ones. And

652
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.360
blood in a bathroom is not necessarily criminal, but it's

653
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.119
certainly something that they wanted to have tested. I mean, again,

654
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.800
this is a temporary rental. God knows how many people

655
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.320
have been in and out of it, and you don't

656
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.280
ever know what people are doing in a rental either way.

657
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.920
It could have been menstrual blood, it could have been

658
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.960
somebody got in a fight. You just don't know. There

659
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.960
was fresh paint on the walls in the bathroom too,

660
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.239
which was odd because who had done the painting. Police

661
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.039
didn't know if the property management had painted recently or what.

662
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.000
But it sure did seem ridiculous that a couple that

663
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:47.360
was renting a condo would do like a repaint remodel.

664
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.559
You know, that just doesn't make sense.

665
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.960
So investigators continued looking and that's when one bent down

666
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.559
looking underneath the vanity and he located a very small

667
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:02.199
hole in the back and that back wall. But he

668
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.199
didn't just find it by seeing it, they decided to

669
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:09.880
scrape away some of the fresh drywall repair behind some paint,

670
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.519
and it was in there that they found this tiny hole. Well,

671
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.840
none of this amounted too much like in the moment,

672
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.480
and it certainly didn't put them any closer to finding

673
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.000
where Genie and Joshu were. But what it did do

674
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:27.199
was prove that the arrested couple, at some point in

675
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.519
the night of Assuming the twenty ninth, had been together,

676
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.719
and the photos that they had found proved it that

677
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.320
this had happened. But more was gonna need to be

678
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.679
learned about who the two really were and if they

679
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.840
had a reasonable cause to possibly hurt josh or Genie,

680
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.760
or if they even had just stolen their wallets or

681
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:53.639
something they just didn't know. So looking more into Erica,

682
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.480
she did have her own problems. Okay, she struggled making friends,

683
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.119
and she did have have an extreme case of OCD,

684
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000
so very meticulous about the way that she did things,

685
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.360
and she would do things over and over and over again.

686
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.079
And talking to people that knew her, they also found

687
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:18.239
out that she was an extremely jealous person. Extremely jealous

688
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:23.119
she could not handle the fact that bj was going

689
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.960
away for the Navy training right after their marriage. Now

690
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.400
understand wives are going to be sad whenever their husband

691
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.000
goes away for training, completely understandable.

692
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.480
But this was not sad.

693
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.960
This was jealous and obsessive because her issue was that

694
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.440
if he leaves and he goes to training, then he

695
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.880
may leave me, and so she got this complex of

696
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.199
believing that if he left, he was never going to

697
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.239
come back. So she did what any not normal woman

698
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.239
would do, but she packed up all her shit and

699
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.440
she moved and went to Alaska where BJ was being stationed.

700
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:00.679
And this is the thing.

701
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.280
The rule state you cannot live with your spouse during

702
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:06.159
this training.

703
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.239
Its Navy rules.

704
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.199
But she didn't care. She was going to do whatever

705
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.880
she wanted to do. And when she showed up at

706
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.760
the base, he couldn't explain it. He didn't have an

707
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.960
answer for his superiors. And so because of all of that,

708
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.400
BJ had been placed on probation. Not only that, they

709
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.679
shipped his ass off, made him leave that base, and

710
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.559
they sent him to Camp Lujune. What they found out

711
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.679
about BJ, and what was realized by BJ superiors in

712
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.920
the military too, is that he had to have structure

713
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.440
at all times, because if he did not, he had

714
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.559
an absolute propensity to go wild, like buck ass wild.

715
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.679
So they as they're investigating kind of his behaviors and whatnot,

716
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:59.119
they found that BJ was clearly impulsive, very impulsive, shortsighted

717
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.480
in his decision aching despite all of that mental fortitude

718
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:07.480
and perseverance that he showed in his seal performance. And

719
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:11.039
the more that Erica came around and the more that

720
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.079
she kept complaining to him that she needed him and

721
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.559
she couldn't be away from him, the more he started

722
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.519
to basically throw in the towel.

723
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.119
But it wasn't in like an I give up type

724
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:23.559
of way.

725
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.480
It was more like, if I can't have Erica be

726
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.960
with me, or if I can't go be with Erica,

727
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.039
then watch this motherfucker's It was like he went into

728
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:39.880
complete defiance behavior. He became incredibly insubordinate, and he did

729
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:45.119
things that anyone with an ounce of common sense and

730
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.039
just a lick of a moral compass would recognize as

731
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:54.639
dead ass inappropriate, especially for someone wearing the distinguished title of.

732
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:55.440
A Navy seal.

733
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.000
So case in point, just so to give you a

734
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.440
taste of what I'm talking about, he went and got

735
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.239
a massive swastika tattoo across his chest. I put pictures

736
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:07.800
of this on Patreon for you too, so you can

737
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.000
check it out. A massive swastika on his chest. Anyone

738
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:19.440
with common sense would know that's inappropriate. Erica also went

739
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.639
and got tattoos, including a cross that was on her hip,

740
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.159
but stop because it wasn't like, I love Jesus, let's

741
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.679
put a cross on our hip. No, she put a

742
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.280
cross on her hip because it was inspired by the

743
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:38.039
movie Natural Born Killers, not Jesus. So I don't know

744
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.760
if you're into literature or looking over movies, but I'll

745
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.280
give you a quick dive for a brief second. The

746
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:48.679
characters in that show, Mickey and Mallory, are depicted as

747
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:54.400
violent and destructive, but they have a profound connection and

748
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.239
love between them and the tattoo. As far as people

749
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.280
who you know analyze Little Journ all of that, the

750
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.440
tattoo is believed to be a symbolic of a personal

751
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:10.639
creed or like a twisted spirituality that's like a bond

752
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.679
throughout all of their violent acts and this fatalistic journey

753
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:15.800
that they're on together.

754
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:17.880
That's what that tattoo is about.

755
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.639
So they go get these tattoos that are not good

756
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.719
and then BJ just up and goes a wall at

757
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.320
one point, so he continued to be an issue. He

758
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.920
continued to cause problems until his commanders finally had enough

759
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.719
of his shit altogether. So someone who wants was a

760
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.599
very clear leader was now the antithesis of anything that

761
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.679
a Navy Steel Navy seal would ever stand for. So

762
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.000
he ended up just being court martialed for a variety

763
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.000
of offenses, and he was ultimately dishonorably discharged from the military.

764
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.920
He is disgusting as far as I'm concerned in telling

765
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.800
anybody that he was a Navy seal, because you.

766
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.400
May the had what it took at first, but you

767
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.599
let that go. It reminded me when I was reading

768
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.159
about this, it just makes me mad.

769
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.280
For the true Navy seal, the guy who is just

770
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.960
straight testicular fortitude.

771
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.800
And oohrah, you know, like it just makes me mad.

772
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.840
I remember one time an old neighbor of mine broke

773
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.440
into our house and burglarized it, and whenever we went

774
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.559
to court, he stood up and said, well, I am

775
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.039
a military veteran, and I was like, hold the damn phone.

776
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.239
You can say you're a military veteran all you want to,

777
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.599
but don't you dare use your military training and experience

778
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.440
as like a get out of jail free card when

779
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.639
you come back, and then you piss on the very

780
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.239
thing that every you know, stand up soldier stands for.

781
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.960
Because that's no, they don't equate. It's a crutch that

782
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.880
you're using. It's not the reality of what the true

783
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.880
American soldier stands for. It sickened me, and this is

784
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.760
what made me think about it. So investigators were like, Okay,

785
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.719
maybe we aren't dealing with just two knuckleheads here, obviously,

786
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:03.639
but even more look into their life would include their pets,

787
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.039
and their pets even said a lot about them, So

788
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.119
I'm gonna take the time to explain their pets to you.

789
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.400
They collected snakes, and the names of those snakes were

790
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.679
just as off putting as the tattoo of the Swiss

791
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:22.079
sticka on BJ's chest, because what did they name their snakes?

792
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.440
Did they name them, you know, slinky and slither buddy. No,

793
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:34.119
they named them Hitler and HIV. You know, like everything

794
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:35.519
that you think about when you think of Hitler and

795
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.880
HIV is that it kills people terrible ways to die.

796
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.400
And then their other snakes were Bonnie and Clyde and

797
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.000
we all know how that went. So it's just like

798
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.760
a testament to the mindset here. Who the fuck gets

799
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.039
a pet and names it Hitler or HIV?

800
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:54.920
It's dark.

801
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:56.719
Now.

802
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.199
If someone reaches out to me Jim and says, what

803
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.480
are you talking about? I love my cut Hitler? What

804
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:08.280
do I do? I don't think it is either. It's

805
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.440
just not normal anyway.

806
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:16.440
So in talking to friends that or people that were

807
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.119
friends with a couple, they had a lot to say too,

808
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.199
because they kind of felt like this couple had really changed.

809
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.679
Like they said, yeah, I mean, you know, Erica and

810
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.159
bj were this way, but they somewhat had gone off

811
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.480
the deep end recently with drugs and sex and like

812
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:36.760
general disobedience it seemed. And again, none of this means

813
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.400
that they went and they hurt people. Okay, you can't

814
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.360
make that leap, but it surely is indicative of a

815
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.400
dark mindset, and their friends were kind of not in line.

816
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.840
With who they were being today.

817
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.000
So since the couple was now at the police station

818
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.960
and under arrest for the burglary of the Hooters, police

819
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.199
now had a literal captive audience that they wanted to question.

820
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:01.079
And first of all, are you wondering, was you know

821
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.599
who would burglarize a Hooters? Because I needed to know

822
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.599
more that I couldn't just let that go. I needed more,

823
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.840
and I have the answers for you. So basically, Erica

824
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.559
and BJ had an online eBay business where they sold things,

825
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.199
and they did, from what I understand, pretty good with it.

826
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.039
But Erica had an obsession. When I say obsession, I

827
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.000
don't mean like, oh my god, I'm obsessed with Leani dogs.

828
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:24.079
No, like an.

829
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.159
Actual obsession with collecting Hooters memorabilia. So she would stop

830
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.719
at Hooters wherever they went when they were traveling, and

831
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.920
she collected everything that she could get from them, and

832
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.280
then she would also sell a lot of that merchandise online.

833
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.920
Thus it made sense why they were trying to get

834
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:46.519
all of the merch It would equal money, and she

835
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.800
was also obsessed with it, so she wanted to get

836
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.559
all that she could. So now I've got that weird

837
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.199
question kind of answered and out of the way. Well,

838
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.199
the interrogation by police would not reveal much from BJ himself.

839
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.760
All he said when they pulled him in was if

840
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.639
you want to know what happened, how about you ask

841
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:03.239
my wife?

842
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:07.400
And I want a lawyer. That was it. That's what

843
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:08.480
they got from bj.

844
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.840
Erica, though, she was a lot more frantic from the jump,

845
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.280
and she started to word vomit like she had the

846
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.320
freaking criminal flu I mean, it was just coming straight

847
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.400
out of her mouth. And she started to explain that

848
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.360
they were with Josh and Genie and they were drinking

849
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.679
at Secrets, and she and Josh had invited them back

850
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.679
to the condo to keep hanging out after they were

851
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.840
done at Secrets, and once they arrived at the condo

852
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.360
after some time, that's whenever Erica realized that her purse

853
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.079
was missing, and she was really upset by this, clearly

854
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.280
upset by this. She believed that the new people that

855
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.800
they thought were their new friends had just pulled a

856
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.559
fast one on her, and she was sickened by the

857
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:56.920
whole thing. And on top of that, because she had

858
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:01.280
her grandmother's ten thousand dollars diamond ring in that now

859
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.960
missing purse, and it meant a lot to her. As

860
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.159
matter of fact, she also told police she was so

861
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.519
convinced that her purse had been stolen from that new couple,

862
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.440
Genie and Josh, that she even called nine one one

863
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.119
to report it.

864
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.280
So investigators are obviously skeptical about this, and.

865
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.239
They kind of caught back and they're like, yo, you

866
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.400
do know that if you call nine one one that

867
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.719
that's all recorded, right, so we can easily check and

868
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.400
see if you're lying does and she called their bluff.

869
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.000
She said, well, then go check I'm not lying to you,

870
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.880
which they did, and shockingly what Erica said was true.

871
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.320
On Sunday, May twenty sixth, at three am, there was

872
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:46.320
a call just like Erica had said, and that nine

873
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.320
one one call does end abruptly with her hanging up,

874
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.679
but go ahead and give it a listen ter nine

875
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:53.880
one one, get emergency.

876
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:56.559
Yes, I have an emergency at my apartment.

877
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.320
There are people in my house I don't know, and

878
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.000
my approach is suddenly missing, and I'm exciting.

879
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.320
I'm going to have the robberies here. Okay, I people

880
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.599
in your apartment at this time. Yeah, I can make

881
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.760
it to the police. Hey what I'm I'm upstairs a

882
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.159
bedroom where they don't know where I am. Okay, I

883
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:28.800
can make it to the police. You can tell them, Okay, Okay, Hello.

884
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.599
So can you believe it that Erica was actually telling

885
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.639
the truth, because I can tell you I was pretty

886
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:36.400
surprised by that. But Genie and Josh, for the record,

887
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:41.199
had no criminal history none, and they didn't have a

888
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.679
reason to have to rob anybody that they were well off.

889
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.280
Plus they were the ones missing, not Erica, who was

890
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.840
in possession of their things. So she did call nine

891
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.800
one one, for sure, but but it just didn't jive

892
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.280
with who these people were that were missing. So Erica,

893
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.400
They're like, why why was there this abrupt hang up

894
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.159
on the on the call, Erica explained, well, it was

895
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.960
abruptly hung up because without warning, BJ had pulled a

896
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.400
gun on Genie and Josh when they thought that they

897
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.840
had robbed them. And I'd like to point something out

898
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.719
to you here that you may have missed. Maybe you didn't,

899
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.920
maybe you're really astute, but something's there's a problem here

900
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:19.639
in this story.

901
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:20.679
If you haven't picked.

902
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.639
Up on it yet, well there's a lot of problems,

903
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:28.400
but specifically, just now, I was curious about why if

904
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:33.440
there was a nine to one one call, why didn't

905
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:38.559
police ever show up at the condo of Erica and BJ.

906
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.480
She never mentioned that they that they ever came for

907
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.920
the nine on one call, And so I started digging

908
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.480
into this and strangely, or I would guess I'd really

909
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:55.280
say unbelievably. I couldn't find anything on that call. And

910
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.519
the answer is because dispatch never send anybody to respond

911
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.760
to the call. That's insane. How do you dispatch one

912
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:11.280
oh one if someone calls you and then abruptly hangs up.

913
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:15.239
We are to assume the worst and someone should be

914
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.880
rolling right then, lights and sirens get there quick. And

915
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.039
that dispatcher did nothing. And I don't know how there

916
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.639
was not a lawsuit in response to that, but that's

917
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.159
the reality of it. Police never showed up after the

918
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.519
nine one one call because no one was dispatched to

919
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:30.920
the call.

920
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.119
That's unbelievable.

921
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:39.159
So either way, they're asking of the questions. And after

922
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.719
the hang up, she says, BJ then demanded the couple

923
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:48.039
undress to prove that they weren't hiding anything. So now

924
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.639
Josh and Jeanie are frightened beyond words.

925
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.320
They're fearing for their lives.

926
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.079
And they did exactly as they were told, both of

927
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.760
them at gunpoint, stripped down butt naked with these strangers

928
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:01.800
they had been hanging out and having a good time

929
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:05.920
with all night. Well as that was happening, BJ and

930
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.880
Erica took their eyes off of the couple to start

931
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.920
talking or discussing what was going on or arguing, And

932
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.559
in that moment, Genie and Josh made a break for it,

933
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.360
and they ran into that master bathroom, slamming the door

934
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:24.119
and Josh locking it behind them, and Josh was yelling

935
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.679
through the door, why are you doing this? Why are

936
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.559
you doing this? And Geenie, she said, was just sobbing.

937
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.960
She could hear just sobbing behind the door. And then

938
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.159
Erica went on to explain that when Josh was screaming

939
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.920
why are you doing this, it infuriated Bjay, who then

940
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:45.159
kicked down the door. And so Erica said, I didn't

941
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:51.239
go in the bathroom, but BJ said that BJ goes in. Okay,

942
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.360
Eric says, I didn't go to the bathroom, BJ goes in,

943
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.760
and then when he comes out, he tells her, I

944
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.840
looked Josh straight in the eyes and I said see

945
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.760
you later, motherfucker, before he pulled the trigger and executed

946
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.000
Josh Josh by shooting him in the head in front,

947
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.239
right in front of his beloved Genie. So something strange

948
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:14.960
about that to me is that when Eric is telling

949
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.039
the story, she doesn't mention that she heard the gunshots,

950
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.360
which she had to have heard them. But can you

951
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:24.400
imagine think about this. You're on vacation, You've been nothing

952
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.239
but kind to this couple. You paid their fare on

953
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.599
a bus out of your generosity and kindness. You party

954
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.079
all night with these people, you exchange stories, you get

955
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:37.119
to know somebody as far as that situation is concerned.

956
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.519
And then to think we're gonna go have fun and

957
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.840
continue hanging out with this new couple, just to be

958
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:50.239
forced to get naked and then shot and executed right

959
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:55.239
in front of your girlfriend. I don't know how you

960
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:01.039
make that leap, how that could even be the callousness

961
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.039
of bj to then brag that he puts a gun

962
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.280
in another man's face, naked and fearing for his life

963
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.880
and saying see a later, motherfucker, and then shooting that man.

964
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:12.199
In the head.

965
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:19.360
That is disgusting. That is not bravado. That's cowardice at

966
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:25.760
its finest. So when he shot him, Josh immediately collapsed

967
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:26.559
to the floor dead.

968
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:27.760
It was over. He shot him.

969
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.800
All Jeanie could do at that point, because she's naked,

970
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.599
literally and afraid and terrified on the ground, was shuffled

971
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.840
backwards on her feet in her hands, and she shuffled

972
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.840
back kind of underneath that vanity space where like the

973
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.440
bar where a stool would go to sit on, and

974
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.960
she was naked. She was cowering, begging for her life,

975
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.840
and was screaming in just blood curdling terror at what

976
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:56.400
she had actually just seen, which Erica says in her

977
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.519
own words, she says, quote, she was so scared and

978
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.000
whimpering like a baby. But before Erica said she could

979
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:10.400
do anything to help, she heard two more shots. So

980
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.880
the investigators look at her and go, so they're dead.

981
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.239
That's what you're telling me, Josh and Jeannie are dead,

982
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.679
And she said yes. So investigators ask her, well, then

983
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.039
where are they? And that's when Erica broke down the

984
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.400
next chain of events, which I'm going to warn you

985
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.199
are legitimately depraved. I am legitimately warning you this is

986
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:41.159
not showmanship or anything, so just be prepared. But in summary,

987
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.599
I'll start with the fact that she insinuates in the

988
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.280
talks that she's talking with to police that bj was

989
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.400
so scary in this moment that she then feared.

990
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.079
Erica started fearing for her own.

991
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:58.280
Life and that's why she knew she had to do

992
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:02.800
the next things, or else she would be killed next. Basically,

993
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.760
her whole argument is that she was battered and a

994
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.920
mentally abused wife, and so she had to help to

995
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.599
dispose of these bodies just so that she didn't get

996
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:18.079
killed herself. And that's when the couple together dismembered both

997
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:23.760
Josh and Genie in the condo. She explained that they

998
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:26.719
cut off their heads, they cut off their arms, they

999
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.159
cut off their legs because this would make for easier

1000
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.400
disposal in getting them out of the condo.

1001
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.840
But this isn't the worst of it.

1002
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.039
After they cut them up, Erica said that she went

1003
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.559
to another area of the condo for whatever reason, maybe

1004
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.199
she was going to take a shower or something along

1005
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:51.559
those lines. But when she returned later, she went into

1006
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:55.480
the master bathroom and she found BJ in that hot tub,

1007
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:59.920
And as she rounded the corner and went into the bathroom,

1008
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.599
that's when she saw the heads of Josh and Jeanie

1009
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:11.320
floating in the tub with BJ while he soaked and relaxed.

1010
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.079
That alone, I don't.

1011
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.760
Give a shit how scared I was for my life.

1012
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:22.960
That would have had me running out of that condo

1013
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.639
straight into the damn ocean, praying that a fucking shark

1014
00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:30.159
would take me down into the deep blue yonder to

1015
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.679
get me away from it. But Erica said she was

1016
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.519
just too scared watching her husband bathe in a hot

1017
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.159
tub with two people's dismembered heads to do anything.

1018
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:42.800
All she could do was stand there.

1019
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:49.880
So after his literal bloodbath was done, that's whenever they

1020
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.280
packaged all of the body parts separately, and then around

1021
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.000
nine am they went and dumped the parts in a

1022
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:02.760
dumpster along the highway behind this grocer store. So after

1023
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.159
learning of absolute horror, that's this is on a level

1024
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.639
of and I've talked about a lot of evil and

1025
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.199
a lot of you know, destructive behavior.

1026
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.239
This is a new level of just depravity.

1027
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.800
There's nothing that can explain it or make it make sense.

1028
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.800
But after the detectives learned of all of these horrors

1029
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.960
that led to the demise of Josh and Genie, investigators

1030
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:30.760
now set out to prove this was true and to

1031
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.480
recover their remains. So, considering that the remains were in

1032
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.719
a dumpster, the location now that it's been a week

1033
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.159
that they would have to go look would be the landfill.

1034
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.079
So at the landfill, it took a team of people

1035
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.239
a whole team of people really to begin this rancid

1036
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.239
search out in the hot sun, and it would take

1037
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:56.119
them nine days from the date of the murders to

1038
00:57:56.199 --> 00:58:01.559
find them. But they didn't find all of them. Recovered

1039
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.239
in the landfill would be Genie's left leg, which they

1040
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:08.920
found about an hour into the search. They continued searching,

1041
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.400
and eventually they did uncover a military style bag and

1042
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.559
when they opened it up, they found Josh's torso in it.

1043
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:24.559
And this is also where technicalities can be hurtful to

1044
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.000
victims and their families.

1045
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.440
Listen to this. Since only a piece.

1046
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.960
Of Genie's leg, or Genie's leg single leg, was ever recovered,

1047
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:40.079
her cause of death was never able to be officially determined,

1048
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:44.639
although she was very clearly murdered. And it kind of

1049
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.440
makes you wonder about now that we know that they're deceased,

1050
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.559
But like I thought about their families and what about insurance?

1051
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:56.679
What about if the victims got screwed over because of

1052
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.559
the sheer depraved behavior of their killers.

1053
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.000
I don't always think about that.

1054
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.719
The victimization here just compounds past the actual murders.

1055
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.280
They couldn't recover the whole body, and since they don't

1056
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:09.000
have the whole body.

1057
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.920
They can't determine a cause of death, like it's just

1058
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:13.559
it's just almost.

1059
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.480
Too much that it could even go that way.

1060
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.440
Eventually, they did keep searching, and they did recover alongside

1061
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:25.400
Josh's torso. They did find later on both of his arms,

1062
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:28.719
but they never found their heads, either one of them.

1063
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.960
This forensically, so to speak, would be a win because

1064
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:39.119
the torso of Josh at autopsy they found had two

1065
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:44.400
bullets in it. In the torso, they looked at those

1066
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.840
bullets and realized that those were from a three point

1067
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:52.320
fifty seven magnum, the very one recovered from Erica.

1068
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.760
At the Hooters the night of the burglary.

1069
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:59.960
So, in an effort to seal Bjy's fate, the state

1070
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:05.119
decided to offer Erica a deal. Take a polygraph. Though,

1071
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:07.719
before they would sign on the dotted line with the

1072
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.920
paper of the deal, they told her take a polygraph

1073
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:14.239
to prove you're telling the truth, the whole truth, so

1074
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.199
help you God, and if you pass it, then we

1075
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.199
will give you a solid deal in exchange for testifying

1076
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:26.760
against your husband. Erica says, deal, I'll do it, no problem.

1077
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:29.000
Now.

1078
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.840
If you don't know this before, a polygraph is given.

1079
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.840
There is what's called a pre interview. And I have

1080
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:38.639
been polygraph tested myself, so I've been through this so

1081
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:39.599
I can attest to it.

1082
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:43.519
But you're given a pre interview. The pre interview is.

1083
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.920
Basically they go over the test that you're going to

1084
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.920
be taking, what's going to happen. They answer any questions

1085
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:54.840
that you have, and then they explain the questions to

1086
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.079
you so that the purpose of all of that is

1087
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.280
that they're not going to try to trick you. A

1088
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.360
lot of detective tests is not about that. It's to relax you,

1089
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.000
ease your mind, and if the truth is the truth

1090
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.360
is the truth, then there's no reason for them to

1091
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.360
spring all of this on you, okay. And part of

1092
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.920
that when they start this test is that they have

1093
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.000
to establish what's called a baseline of your autonomic responses.

1094
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:18.440
So they want to.

1095
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.039
See, like if your heart rate is already elevated, they

1096
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.960
want to see if your sweat touch is already elevated.

1097
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.360
If you're so, I'm high strung, right, So when I

1098
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:28.360
had my polygraph test done, I will tell you I

1099
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:29.400
was a nervous wreck.

1100
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.559
I had nothing to hide, I had nothing to be

1101
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:33.360
afraid of.

1102
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.280
But it's just the fact that you're strapped in you

1103
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.440
have all these wires around you. You're going to be

1104
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.480
asked questions, even if you know you didn't do anything wrong.

1105
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:45.000
You you're nervous, and if you're like, why we were

1106
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.119
being polygraphed. I wasn't part of like a murder investigation.

1107
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.079
It was part of a pre employment thing for law enforcement.

1108
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.679
So part of that pre pre setup too, is that

1109
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.039
if you have anything that you need to say or

1110
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:05.440
clarify before the test, in some instances, they will allow

1111
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:07.599
you to do that. So let me give you an example,

1112
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.639
because it will matter. Let's say that you're gonna do

1113
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:14.199
this polygraph and they ask you have you have you

1114
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.880
stolen anything? Okay, well, let's be so for real. When

1115
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.639
you were a kid, did you steal cookies from the pantry?

1116
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.199
Did you steal your sister's favorite shirt? Did you you

1117
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:27.039
know we've all done stupid shit. They're gonna let you

1118
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.480
clarify that if you want to get that off your chest. Okay, Yeah,

1119
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.400
I did steal three dollars when I was seventeen from

1120
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:33.440
a friend of mine's book sack.

1121
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.400
Okay, cool, anything else you want to get off your chest?

1122
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:41.079
Yes, I so it's not like you're getting it's you're

1123
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:42.679
not changing your story about what you're going to be

1124
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:44.599
polygraphed about. It's just if there's anything on your chest

1125
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.039
that may hold you back emotionally. I guess where your

1126
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:52.039
autonomic responses fluctuate because you're like, well, shit, I did

1127
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.679
steal something before. You know, you can clarify that, all right,

1128
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:58.920
that's not I want you to know. That's not like

1129
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.719
the if you were like no, if you're a polygraphic examiner,

1130
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:02.760
that's not one hundred percent.

1131
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.159
That's the gist of it. Okay, gotcha.

1132
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:11.199
So Erica was then polygraphed by a special agent from

1133
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.239
the Secret Service. When this was done, and Erica talked

1134
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.400
about her life before being married, and then she began

1135
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.960
to detail the relationship between she and her husband b

1136
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:24.880
Jay Ciphert and Erica. Then after she kind of went

1137
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.480
through that, she began to describe in great detail the

1138
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:33.159
events of the evening of May twenty fifth, whenever this

1139
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.000
was thought to have happened to Genie and Josh. And

1140
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.800
you're like, okay, Kelly, you've already told us what happened,

1141
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.599
you know, why are you going through it again? Just

1142
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.719
like in the police. In the initial interrogation, she told

1143
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:48.519
the story just like she had told them, but in

1144
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:53.800
the polygraph that followed up, the story kind of had

1145
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.400
some changes to it because Erica stated that they met

1146
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.119
another couple while they were boarding a bus on their

1147
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.960
way to Secrets nightclub, hung out with them all night,

1148
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.039
and wanted to continue to party. But here's the other

1149
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.599
part that she had not told investigators before. They then

1150
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.440
took a bus to the Atlantis because that's where Josh

1151
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.760
and Geni were staying, to pick up their swimsuits, and

1152
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.800
then the four of them walked on the beach to

1153
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:22.880
Erica and Bjay's condo and they all stayed out on

1154
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:26.400
the beach for a little bit whenever Erica decided to

1155
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:27.920
go up to the condo to grab.

1156
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:28.800
Some beers for everybody.

1157
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.599
After they she went and got the beers and all

1158
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.480
that stuff, she came back down. They all decided then

1159
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.559
that they were going to go up to the condo

1160
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:40.280
because it had the big hot tub in it, and

1161
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:42.599
so when they went upstairs to go get in the

1162
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.199
hot tub, that's when Erica noticed that her purse was missing,

1163
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:47.920
because it had been on the back of the couch

1164
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:49.960
she had originally put it on the back of the

1165
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:52.239
couch and now it was gone. That's when she stated

1166
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.559
that her jewelry and her pills were missing. And that's

1167
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.159
whenever she called nine one one to report it. She

1168
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.480
hung up on nine when one when Josh came upstairs.

1169
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.920
And so when Josh went upstairs, she yelled for BJ,

1170
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:08.000
I guess to come back her up or something against Josh.

1171
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.760
BJ came up there, and that's when Erica and BJ

1172
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:16.119
accused Josh and Genie of the theft. She says, BJ

1173
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.480
pointed the gun at them. They took off all of

1174
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:22.719
their clothes while adamantly saying the couple saying, we didn't

1175
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.800
take your stuff. We didn't take your stuff, and Erica said,

1176
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:31.119
BJ told them get in the bathroom. That's when the

1177
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.639
couple locked the door behind them, and that's when they

1178
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.320
were yelling and pleading for their lives. And she added,

1179
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:40.320
now that BJ asked her and this is a direct quote,

1180
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.639
and I'm supposed to fucking waste them.

1181
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:43.480
Is that cool?

1182
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.199
The distress, Genie and Josh now were getting louder and

1183
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.880
louder in the bathroom because they would realize later, you

1184
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.159
know that Josh I'd even tried to open the windows

1185
01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:58.079
with his hands, and they were screaming for help, and

1186
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:00.800
Erica told Bjay she just wanted them to shut up

1187
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.280
because she was worried that neighbors or the police or

1188
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.920
somebody might hear them. And she said Genie was yelling

1189
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.280
help me, help me, help me, and banging against the

1190
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.480
glass on the bathroom windows. Josh was yelling at this point,

1191
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:11.840
why are.

1192
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:13.440
You doing this? Why are you doing this?

1193
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:17.559
And that's when Erica admitted she told Bja to quote,

1194
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:19.920
just fucking do it. You got him naked, you put

1195
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:21.639
a gun to their heads, just go do it.

1196
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:22.320
End quote.

1197
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.840
So at this point Erica was stopped for a minute

1198
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.119
during the interview, and that's when she looks up at

1199
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.599
the interviewer and says, now you have me on murder

1200
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.800
to the examiner, And the examiner said, well, what did

1201
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:40.440
you mean by just fucking do it? And Erica said,

1202
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:42.840
I meant kill them. I mean I knew he wanted to.

1203
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.159
Now remember it. That wasn't the original story at all, right,

1204
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.800
BJ caught her off guard. She said then that BJ

1205
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.920
shot the gun into the door and then he kicked

1206
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.639
it in so hard that BJ himself fell backwards. When

1207
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.960
he was kids, it like knocked him down. So the

1208
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.199
bathroom door flew open and it like lodged itself in

1209
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:09.440
the wall. When that happened, she said, Josh fell to

1210
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.079
the right side of the bathroom against a closet.

1211
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:16.239
Where BJ then shot him. So he didn't immediately die.

1212
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.119
BJ shot him, and now Josh was in incredible pain.

1213
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.679
He was shot in the chest, you know, and he

1214
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.400
was screaming out again, why are you doing this? Why

1215
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:27.719
are you doing this? And that's when BJ put the

1216
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.639
gun to his head and took that head shot on him.

1217
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:35.519
Erica said that she was so scared by this it

1218
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:38.000
caused her to wet her own pants, and so she

1219
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.559
went out of the bathroom and she went to sit

1220
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:42.360
on the edge of the bed and quote waited for

1221
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.440
it to be over, and that's when she heard two

1222
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.320
more shots close together in about five seconds, and she

1223
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.840
said BJ then walked out of the bathroom and he

1224
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.960
was flexing his muscles that were now covered in blood,

1225
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.480
which she said he had quote obviously put the blood

1226
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.119
on himself and was now flexing the bloody muscles, and

1227
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.519
that's when Erica said she went to the jeep to

1228
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:07.280
get their radios and to check for their things that

1229
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.440
they had all left, I guess on the beach, and

1230
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:11.760
she wanted to go watch out for the police who

1231
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.480
they thought would be showing up after the call to

1232
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.520
nine one one that had happened. When she got back,

1233
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.119
she said that bj then instructed her, and this is

1234
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.520
another quote, baby, just open your knife like I taught you.

1235
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.760
So Erica opened her knife. And that's whenever she got

1236
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.000
down on her knees right by Jeanie in the bathroom,

1237
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.800
who was still alive, huddled and naked in the fetal

1238
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:37.960
position under that vanity Josh is dead. She scared out

1239
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:41.000
of her ever loving mind, and without a second thought,

1240
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.680
she leaned back and she stabbed Genie right in the

1241
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:51.079
side of her abdomen, right above her right hip. And

1242
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.000
she even told the interviewer that she was really surprised

1243
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:57.119
at how much pressure it took to cut through Jeanie's skin,

1244
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.279
because she had never stabbed somebody before.

1245
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.000
Now here's the kicker to that. First of all, it

1246
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:04.000
was never mentioned before.

1247
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:09.039
Secondly, the interviewer says, so you stabbed her before verifying

1248
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:15.079
that she was actually dead. Because Erica confirmed that Josh,

1249
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.560
I mean that dj had actually shot Genie at that point.

1250
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:19.800
And then she went and she stabbed her.

1251
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:23.159
And the interviewer says, so you didn't verify that she

1252
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.079
was alive before or dead before you stabbed her, and

1253
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:30.239
Erica was like, no, so to me the listener right now,

1254
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:31.640
as well as that interview where it's kind of like,

1255
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:33.640
so that sounds a whole lot like you stabbed Genie

1256
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.319
and she died right, not necessarily like she had been shot.

1257
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:41.119
You don't actually know. All we have is a leg

1258
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.560
to go off of, and there's no bullet holes in

1259
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:48.239
the leg. Also, don't forget, you know, you stabbed somebody,

1260
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.399
which you never mentioned in the original interrogation. You never

1261
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.680
mentioned it until the polygraph began. So what happened after that?

1262
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:57.760
And she says, well, then we went home and we

1263
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.439
took a nap together before we cleaned the ba broom

1264
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.199
the next day or the you know, it was the

1265
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.640
early mornings. That's whenever they went to the dumpsters and

1266
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:09.760
they made sure that they had been emptied because they

1267
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:14.039
had already put the body parts in it. And while

1268
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.760
they're driving, she even goes into detail saying that bj

1269
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:19.920
told her at one point, man, you really did a

1270
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:22.319
number on Genie's throat.

1271
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:23.720
Well, wait a minute, you.

1272
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.279
Never even mentioned anything about slicing her throat, So this

1273
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.920
is kind of like getting off kilter. So the polygraph

1274
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.880
was stopped completely at this point. The interviewer looked at

1275
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.319
her and was like, all right, look, we're stopping all together.

1276
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.319
At this point, the plea deal is off the table

1277
01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:41.000
because you have not followed the agreement that we had.

1278
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.840
But what you have done is you've now admitted that

1279
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.680
you used this kind of like a game. You said

1280
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:50.520
that you were going to follow the guidelines of the

1281
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:52.600
deal and that you weren't going to change your truth.

1282
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:54.000
Your story was the truth, the whole truth, and so

1283
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.399
help you God. Yet all you've done now is introduce

1284
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.840
completely new information that makes you more than complicit in

1285
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:03.760
the deaths, not just their disposal. The whole point of

1286
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.680
this polygraph was to confirm your original story and to

1287
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:10.119
have you testify against your husband, not add new incriminating

1288
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.439
action from it. So from that point forward, both BJ

1289
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:20.119
and Erica were charged with the deaths of Josh and Genie,

1290
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.800
and they would go on trial separately. But now it

1291
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.760
gets even more interesting. BJ's trial was held in April

1292
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.079
of two thousand and three, and they did exactly what

1293
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:29.840
you would expect.

1294
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:31.000
Blame Erica.

1295
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:33.920
He claims that he was not in the apartment whenever

1296
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.520
or the condo whenever the couple was killed. He said

1297
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.000
that he was sleeping in the car after all that

1298
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:42.079
drinking went down, and that he only helped dispose the

1299
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:46.319
bodies because he had to. But the prosecution also brought

1300
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:51.439
in at that trial an old Seal team member that

1301
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:54.079
BJ was friends with, and they brought him in for

1302
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.960
a reason. It was because of a specific conversation that

1303
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:02.119
he had had with bjy years back, but it seemed

1304
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.720
really important to mention it. The seal's name was Michael McInnis,

1305
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:09.000
and the conversation that Michael and BJ had back in

1306
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:11.119
nineteen ninety nine was when they were drinking and they

1307
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.560
were at a strip club and they started getting on

1308
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.359
the topic of how would you get rid of somebody if.

1309
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:16.920
You killed them.

1310
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:21.039
It was a stupid what if scenario, But what BJ

1311
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:24.640
said after that became very chilling because what he said

1312
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.000
was he would lay down plastic in an open space,

1313
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:29.479
remove the arms and the legs and the head with

1314
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.159
a knife, and then dispose of the body in dumpsters

1315
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:35.560
around town. Does that sound familiar to what I've just

1316
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:38.920
told you, and jokingly Michael said, well, hell, you got

1317
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.640
it all ready to go. I ought to get you

1318
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.439
to whack my wife. Okay, I don't think that's funny,

1319
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:48.119
but that's what he said. And it evolved into Michael saying, well,

1320
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:49.439
what do you think the going radio is? Do you

1321
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.720
have somebody killed? And that's whenever BJA responded twenty to

1322
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:58.560
forty thousand dollars. So as much as I disagree with

1323
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.920
what the jury would find in this trial, I'm gonna

1324
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:03.720
respect their findings because they're the ones who sat through

1325
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:08.439
the trial, not me. But they acquitted Bjay of all

1326
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.199
charges in the death of Josh. They only got him

1327
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.760
on second degree murder and assault of Genie. It was

1328
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.840
like the jury seemed to believe what bj was saying.

1329
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:21.319
But I'm gonna tell you something right now. Erica was

1330
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:24.680
t tiny. She was like ninety something pounds. Erica didn't

1331
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:28.720
kick down that door in that in that condo. And

1332
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:31.760
I would dare say that the jury got it backwards,

1333
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.479
that Erica.

1334
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.359
Killed Jeanie and he killed Josh. But it is what

1335
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:36.720
it is.

1336
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:41.479
So obviously this made huge news and people were watching

1337
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.359
this this trial because it was just so chilling, and

1338
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.920
that included a woman by the name of Melissa Selling

1339
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.600
whose jaw dropped to the floor when she saw the

1340
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.920
pictures of Erica in BJ. And that's whenever she called

1341
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:57.680
police and told them a story she they just couldn't

1342
01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.720
ignore her story, she said. A few days after Josh

1343
01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.720
and Geenie were murdered, this would have been the night

1344
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.119
of the twenty ninth, She and her friend justin he

1345
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.359
went by the name Todd, but they went out for

1346
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.479
drinks and when she met up with Todd, he was

1347
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:12.720
already drunk. He had made friends with a couple who

1348
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:17.159
was also very clearly drunk, and it was none other

1349
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.439
than Erica and BJ. Melissa was the only one who

1350
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.720
was sober. She continued to bar hop with them throughout

1351
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.680
the night, but she didn't drink, and the couple Erica

1352
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.600
and BJ, invited them back to their condo to hang

1353
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:30.239
out some more.

1354
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.359
She was afraid that Todd was too drunk to drive.

1355
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:36.600
Safely, so she followed him in his vehicle back to

1356
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:40.279
the condo, and when they got there, Erica was so

1357
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:44.960
drunk that BJ asked Melissa to help Erica up the

1358
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.239
stairs so she wouldn't fall over now hindsight's twenty twenty,

1359
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:52.039
but she realized. You know, Erica was so drunk she

1360
01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:54.159
could barely make it up the stairs without help. But

1361
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.840
whenever they got to the top of the penthouse to

1362
01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.720
open the door, Erica was able to open her purse

1363
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:02.119
and get the key, put it in the door, and

1364
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:05.800
lock it with no problems and being polite. Melissa was

1365
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:07.680
gonna leave, but Erica wanted to show him the really

1366
01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:11.119
cool penthouse that they were in, so she was kind

1367
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:12.199
she stepped in to see it.

1368
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:14.359
Within five minutes of them.

1369
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:18.960
Being there, Erica and BJ accused them of stealing her

1370
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:22.840
purse as well, and they forced Melissa and Todd to

1371
01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.479
look for it. So as Melissa and Todd are frantically

1372
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:28.399
looking for this purse and they don't know where it is,

1373
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.680
that's whenever BJ pulled a gun on them, and he

1374
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:34.680
even told them with a gun in their face that

1375
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.920
people had done this to them before, had tried to

1376
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.279
rip them off, and that he was quote doing the

1377
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.560
world a justice by ridding the earth of bad people

1378
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.319
end quote, and he added if they if y'all are

1379
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.640
ripping me off to he's going to kill you, he's

1380
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.760
going to kill them the exact same way that he

1381
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:54.960
killed those other people. End quote. So Melissa was terrified

1382
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:59.960
and they kept looking around. Well, Melissa was sickened because

1383
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.319
at one point, while she's searching for this purse with

1384
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:05.159
a gun to her head, she noticed that there was

1385
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:08.199
a bullet hole in the bathroom door. And the reason

1386
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.359
it caught her attention is because the door wasn't on

1387
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:13.560
the hinges. The door had been removed and was just

1388
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.359
sitting next to the bathroom with a bullet hole in it.

1389
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.720
She wasn't stupid, and she knew that that was a

1390
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.000
bullet hole in that door. Amazingly, though, I'll wrap this

1391
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.520
up kind of quickly, a bunch of stuff happened while

1392
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:29.039
looking for but amazingly, the couple's purse was found, but

1393
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:31.800
it was found in an area that Melissa herself had

1394
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:34.560
already looked, but it just appeared back.

1395
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:35.920
There, and.

1396
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:41.199
She wasn't sure what exactly was going to happen, but

1397
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.720
she said bj at one point shoved the gun directly

1398
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:46.640
in her mouth. She put Melissa said he put the

1399
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.439
gun in her mouth during the purse search and threatened

1400
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:53.560
to kill her with the gun. So clearly he was

1401
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:57.239
involved in these attacks, and clearly this changed a lot,

1402
01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:02.079
because now it was a pattern BJ and Erica liked

1403
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.399
to play a game. How could Erica be a battered

1404
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:09.079
and bruised and caught off guard wife with BJ's behavior

1405
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.159
with Josh and Genie when they did the exact same

1406
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.039
thing as a couple a few days after they killed

1407
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:18.920
Josh and Genie. That's what me and the ranchers of

1408
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:24.920
America would identify as a pile of bullshit. So, unfortunately,

1409
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.960
BJ had already been sentenced by this point, and due

1410
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.119
to the constitution, y'all know double jeopardy, you can't be

1411
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:31.600
tried twice for the same crime.

1412
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:33.199
But it was now time.

1413
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.079
Well, BJ had been already sentenced too. He was sentenced

1414
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.000
to thirty years imprisonment for second degree murder, twenty five

1415
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.880
years to run at the same time as an additional

1416
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:45.479
five years for the assault and for the accessory after

1417
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.359
the fact to the murder. But Erica was up for

1418
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.319
trial two months later. Now, when she went to trial,

1419
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.039
she continued to go on with this battered and abused

1420
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:58.199
wife claims. But the insight now from Melissa coming forward.

1421
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:02.159
She testified to the missing purse game that went on,

1422
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.279
and that combined with the facts that the three point

1423
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:08.920
fifty seven magnum that Erica had in her own waistband.

1424
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:09.720
Had blood.

1425
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:12.960
Or had shot the bullets that had blood on it,

1426
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.239
and that blood was later tested and proven to be Josh's.

1427
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.119
And the key that they had found the police had

1428
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:22.079
found at the condo of the Seyfritz was proven to

1429
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:25.960
be the key to Genie and Josh's condo. And also

1430
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.439
they found a home depot worker that was able to

1431
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:33.920
identify Erica as the one that went.

1432
01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:37.000
And bought a door and was carrying it through.

1433
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.239
The home depot, which, by the way, they loved to

1434
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:42.439
document their vacation. They also were able to find a

1435
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:47.039
photo of bj out front of the home depot holding

1436
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:52.560
cleaning supplies at that same trip, so they just liked

1437
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.960
to document all of this, all of that together.

1438
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:58.840
Then they had photos after that the murders.

1439
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:01.880
They had pictures of them play mini golf, eating boiled crabs,

1440
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:05.640
and swimming in the ocean, all smiles, and Erica's wardrobe

1441
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.640
would become front and center because guess what was in

1442
01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:10.880
the photos After the death of Josh and Jeanie and

1443
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:14.319
all of those fun photos they took together. Erica had

1444
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:19.399
Josh's bloody ring on a necklace that she wore around

1445
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:23.880
her neck for the entire vacation as well, as Erica

1446
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.279
went and got a new tattoo after their deaths. It

1447
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.880
was a dragon tattoo and she got it in the

1448
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.760
exact same spot where she stabbed Genie as a memento

1449
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:36.760
of what they did together as a team, her and

1450
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:43.279
her lover's sick and twisted game. They also found that

1451
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:47.680
Josh and Jeanie were dead and cut apart, and that's

1452
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:50.039
when the couple had long discussions about whether they wanted

1453
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.079
to cook and eat one of their legs. Like this

1454
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.560
just was completely and totally unhinged, And they had also

1455
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.159
discussed as a couple whether they should go kill Erica's

1456
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:03.000
family and all of their money. So I guess Erica's

1457
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:06.760
family also literally dodged a bullet. Now back to the

1458
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:12.319
victims for just a second. Josh's family specifically suffered so

1459
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:17.800
much and that I found that Josh's murder was one

1460
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:21.880
of two horrendous blows to this family in less than

1461
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:25.399
a year. Because Josh, when he was alive, had been

1462
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:31.640
grieving alongside his brother Mark. Because Mark's daughter Kelly had

1463
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.439
been found murdered right before Josh was found murdered. In

1464
01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:40.319
a completely different incident, Poor Mark lost his twenty three

1465
01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.119
year old daughter, Kelly, whose remains were found in a

1466
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:45.520
shallow grave in Cape Cod by some beach goverers that

1467
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:50.760
are playing frisbee, And in an unbelievable similarity, Kelly's head

1468
01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:53.600
was also missing and never recovered.

1469
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:56.920
Her murders never been solved.

1470
01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:00.840
And then just months later, after his daughter been beheaded

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01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:04.680
and buried, now he's suffering the loss of his beloved

1472
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:08.680
brother too, Josh, who also had been beheaded.

1473
01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.960
Can you imagine that happening?

1474
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:17.119
Why some people suffer so greatly in this world that

1475
01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:19.199
on this level, I just have no words for that.

1476
01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:24.399
And to follow up on Josh and Genie's case, they

1477
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.960
did turn on each other obviously during their trials, but

1478
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.159
it was kind of interesting to me that although they

1479
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.680
were both convicted in two thousand and three, they never

1480
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:36.479
divorced until twenty ten, and they also continued to write

1481
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:39.279
one another even though they were both supposedly victims of

1482
01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:42.560
each other. Bj was up for parole in twenty twenty one,

1483
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.520
which he was denied. Erica was just up for parole

1484
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:49.239
in twenty twenty four, which was also denied, and I'm

1485
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:51.359
glad that they're both denied. They're right where they need

1486
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:53.600
to be locked up. And I'm not going to downplay

1487
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.840
the horrific things they did to Josh and Genie. Okay,

1488
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:01.600
their deaths were horrible, But to that note, this dynamic

1489
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:04.279
duo wasn't as good of criminals as they thought that

1490
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:07.239
they were, and I'm surely not impressed. I've seen middle

1491
01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:11.640
schoolers with better lying skills and chaos potential. To me,

1492
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.239
I see, I want to be Bonnie and Clyde, who

1493
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:16.880
should have just stuck to burglarizing Hooters because they're not

1494
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:18.520
even good at what they tried to do. And I

1495
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.600
know I'm not the first person to ever do this case. Okay,

1496
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.520
I've heard them referred to on television shows as the

1497
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:28.680
perfect storm couple, who are this volcanic eruption of fire

1498
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:31.279
and gasoline. But let's be real, everybody, because I know

1499
01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:33.079
vinegar and bacon soda when I see it