The Parkland School Shooting Anthology

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,760 [MUSIC] 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,280 I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:31,280 combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Some so evil, many feel they are, unspeakable. 8 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:44,480 [MUSIC] 9 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:54,000 Warning, unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,560 If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Listing discretion is advised. 12 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Hey y'all Kelly Jennings, here what is up? 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Are you all ready? 14 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,040 Are you ready for what I promised you because today's episode, 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,240 y'all have been taking notes. 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,800 I've been kicking ass and taking names and taking notes because this shooter, 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,240 this murderer of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Kids has got me freaking pissed. 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,120 I'm just gonna start. 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,240 I'm just gonna start right here. 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Why that little bitch wearing a mask the whole time that he's up in the courtroom? 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,880 Can we just start there? 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,320 Pull your damn mask down. 23 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,360 Cova is the last of your worry son. 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:33,040 That dude wore a freaking medical mask up in the middle of that courtroom, 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,960 like he needed to protect himself from COVID. 26 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,040 He's scared of COVID, is that what this really is? 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,880 No, you're a freaking coward. 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,000 That's what that's about. 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000 When those people stood up to talk about their children that you murdered, 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,600 you hid behind a mask. 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,400 So you're a coward from jump street. 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Let's just start with that. 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,440 You are a freaking coward. 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Now, I do want to say this. 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:01,200 How about that judge that was sitting on the bench on that case? 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,560 Everybody has their own opinion. 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,840 I know opinions are like assholes. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,640 Everybody's got one. 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,800 Well, I do too because I thought she was a freaking boss. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,000 I liked her. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,160 I felt like people disrespected her in her own courtroom, 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,240 which was pretty crappy, but overall, 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,800 I liked the way that she ran her show. 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,240 Let's just jump right into this. 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,920 How about the fact that the case to defend that piece of 46 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:30,240 crap cost the taxpayers of Florida over $2 million. 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,560 That was just his security, the security, 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,800 to protect a kid or a man that would walk into a school 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,960 and slaughter innocent children at Marjorie Stoeman-Dungless High School. 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,720 We, as taxpayers, spent over $2 million on his security. 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,640 I got a problem with that. 52 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,560 I would rather as a taxpayer, which I'm not in Florida. 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,520 Okay, I understand that. 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,400 I'm in Louisiana, but I would rather my taxes go to pay for the funerals of the victims. 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Or how about this? 56 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,400 Let's not have victims. 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240 How about we walk into a school and we reinforce them with $2 million? 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,600 There's a lot we could have done. 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,640 But we're going to pay to have that prick protected. 60 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:13,840 Give me a break. 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,240 Sorry, I'm coming in hot from the start, but that just blew my mind. 62 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Millions more will be paid out 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,440 to his defense team, who I didn't like either. 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,040 And it's not by proxy. 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,080 I didn't not like them because they were defending him. 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,600 You have a constitutional right to be defended in court. 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,040 Thank God you have that right because now we know that he wasn't unjustly 68 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 sentenced to prison for the rest of his life. 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,360 He got a defense. 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,080 It was crap, but he got one. 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:51,120 But they're going to make millions of dollars off of this little piece of crap, dude. 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Who went in and murdered children and the taxpayers are going to eat that money. 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,560 If that does not piss you off, I don't know if you are paying attention. 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,960 That's insanity. 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,120 And you wonder why you wonder why our country is in the state that it's in today. 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760 But today I do want to focus on the victims. 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,160 I want to talk about some of these people that stood up in that courtroom 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,040 and looked at pumpkin his eyes. 79 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,040 And y'all they said things that I just wanted to walk up and hug them and high five on 80 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,760 them because they I thought these were some of the strongest family members. 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,520 And they did their kids such service when they got up to talk about them. 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,200 They brought pictures, right? 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,000 They held up pictures of their kids so you can see that this is not just a headline. 84 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,200 This is their child. 85 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,320 This is a human being. 86 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,000 And they mattered. 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,320 And we're going to spend two million dollars just on this guy right here is security. 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,720 Do we have help? 89 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,680 Is it hello? 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Hello? 91 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,040 Is anybody listening to me? 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,360 If that is insane. 93 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480 So one of the dads, okay. 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,840 His name was Max Shactor. 95 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,400 Max Shactor. 96 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960 He was the face of this trial to me. 97 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,400 I don't know if you followed it, but I did. 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,880 And I was very in tune with these families. 99 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Very in line with my God that, you know, 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 their children's murder is being put on display. 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 And I don't think the media had good intentions. 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,800 I think that it was a thrilling story that just got people's attention and so they got 103 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,920 ratings for it. 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,480 But his son, his name was Alex Shactor. 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,240 And Mr. Max, Mr. Max Shactor, if you happen to know somebody who listens to this podcast, 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:42,240 I want you to know that you are the man that your face and the way that you carried yourself in 107 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,600 that courtroom, I was rooting you on personally and I have never met you a day in my life. 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,960 But if there is ever a parent who did 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,200 service, a service for their child, it was you, sir. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,960 I saw your facial expressions. 111 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,440 I saw the disgust in your face when that defense team acted like a bunch of animals, 112 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,720 which I'll talk about in a minute. 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Almost like this was a game of some sort. 114 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,240 But you were the face, Mr. Shactor, of victims to me. 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,480 And I felt like you knocked it out of the park when you got up there. 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,280 So first of all, like I said, his face, he just looked disgusted the entire time. 117 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:31,040 And I felt that with him, that we would even as Americans, even entertain the fact that this kid, 118 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040 this dude walks in there and murders all these people and we're going to feel sorry for him. 119 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:44,640 There's no reason I can ever think of that would even be plausible to explain why someone would 120 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:50,960 behave in such a way, right? And something that a lot of people like to bring up, 121 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,720 like God bless my brother, my brother, I love him, but my brother is the polar opposite of me, 122 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,720 politically and in any other way. But I love him. So if you're listening, I love you brother. 123 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:10,240 I'm not going to say your name, but I love you. But there's people out there that look at these people 124 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,560 that go and do these things and they feel almost sorry for them, like they had a bad childhood. 125 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Hell, we all had a bad childhood. Are you kidding me? My parents got divorced when I was a kid. 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Oh my god, look how wounded I am. Look at me fucking cry. Oh my god. 127 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Something that was brought up a lot in their victim impact statements. And if you don't know 128 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,480 about a victim impact statement, let me start there. So these are done post-conviction, 129 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,320 so after conviction, but before syncing, right? Because they're not supposed to affect the outcome of 130 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,560 whether someone is guilty or not. It's just that the victims get their time to stand up and say, 131 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:55,200 how dare you? You have affected my life in the following ways. And because of this, you should get, 132 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:02,080 you know, X, Y and Z. Well, this guy, this Nicholas Cruz, punk, should have got a bullet in his head, 133 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:09,840 as soon as he was found guilty because he is not worth the air it takes to fill his lungs in my humble 134 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,400 opinion. There was a whole lot brought up about mental health services in the trial. There is a 135 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,120 link there. Remember we talked about in the past episodes about Columbine and how the shooters in 136 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,000 Columbine, their mother or Dylan's mother felt like his case was really more of a mental health issue 137 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,440 than it was being evil. That's up for you to decide. I think they're actually evil. I think maybe 138 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,160 he did have some mental health problems, but none of it met the muster of why you would just go 139 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:42,400 shoot people and murder innocent people. The defense team tried to argue that Nicholas Cruz, 140 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:50,080 quote unquote, fell through the cracks. He fell through the cracks. Well, that kind of ticked me off. 141 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,200 And let me tell you why as a teacher, that ticked me off from personal experience. 142 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,480 The world today is not what it used to be, but kids come to school and there's nobody that spends more 143 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:09,280 time with the kid during the day than a teacher. Nobody, they spend more of their waking hours with 144 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,760 their teachers than most kids do with their parents because their parents are at work, right? God bless 145 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,360 us all going to work. Same for my kids. I'm a teacher, but my kids are with another teacher, right? 146 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:28,720 We know the behaviors. We look at these kids. We know when there is a problem and there's probably not 147 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,680 a lot of teachers like me with a big mouth who would stand up and say that kid right there's got a 148 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:40,000 problem, a huge problem. And you want to know why? Because lawsuits rule the world. God forbid, you 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,600 tell somebody, hey, little Ray Ray's got a little mental, mental issue. You look like the bad guy. 150 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,200 You look like you're picking on a kid when there's not a teacher worth their salt in America today that 151 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,960 doesn't look at these kids and love them with every ounce of their being, but we know when there is a 152 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:01,920 problem. We see it. Do you see it? Would you be willing to listen to someone who says, look, I see 153 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:10,320 this happening because in my experience, I'd say 25% of the time that there were serious problems, 154 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:18,080 25% of the time parents did not really want to hear it. It was me. It was me. I was the problem. 155 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:29,200 And that, real quick, side note, that means 75% of my math is correct. Did exactly what good parenting 156 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,560 should be. And so kudos to those parents. But there's not a lot of issues like this, but the ones that 157 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,240 matter like this guy right here, his defense study fell through the cracks. Well, let's talk about 158 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:46,080 that for a minute. First of all, he started seeing a psychologist when he was eight years old, 159 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:55,600 eight. And guess he brought that up to their attention, a teacher. He had weekly counseling from 160 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,240 the age of eight years old. He had mental health counseling from the school. Since he was eight 161 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:12,560 years old in 2011, y'all, he had therapy and counseling. The school suggested that this should happen. 162 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:21,120 He was on multiple medications, multiple. I don't know what the hell a red flag looks like, 163 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,960 apparently, but this is what I assume it looks like. Multiple medications. And since eight 164 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:34,080 years old, you need to see a psychologist for wackado behavior. I don't know. All brought up by a 165 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:46,640 school. Y'all between 2013 and 2014, one year, there were 27 home visits because of this kid. 166 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:53,280 27. If there was one home visit to my house, as soon as that door shut, me and my kid are going to 167 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,320 have a discussion and it ain't going to be nice. And if I need to put you in a mental facility, 168 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,280 then pack your bag, honey, get you some clean draws and some slippers so your feet don't get dirty 169 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,720 because you rolling on into mental health services because you're not going to be the next freaking 170 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:15,680 school shooter. But this kid got 27 home visits. They had over 700 pages of therapy documentation 171 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:24,320 for this guy. 700. And then I couldn't tell you the hundreds of hours as they discussed hundreds of 172 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:36,480 hours of therapy. His ninth, tenth, his ninth and tenth year, great. He got more therapy from the school. 173 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:44,560 And look, I didn't see the receipts, but I'm going to air on the side of it probably was not his 174 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:51,920 pocket that was paying for it. So how dare this defense team, how dare they say that he fell through 175 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,200 the cracks, he didn't fall through the cracks, he created the damn crack. And but because nobody 176 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,680 wants to be the quote unquote bad guy, nobody wants to stand up and say this kid here has severe mental 177 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:15,280 problems severely unhinged since he was eight. He was able to go and murder 17 other kids. 178 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,680 That's unacceptable. I don't mean to be preaching to the choir here. If you're listening to this, 179 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:28,240 I'm sure you understand that, but we as a people, we as a people of a duty that when somebody or 180 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:35,600 multiple somebody's and 700 pages worth of therapists are saying there's something wrong with somebody, 181 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:42,960 we cannot act like this is just a tragedy that was unexplainable. No, it's not. It was addressed 182 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:51,280 for years, for years. It's ridiculous. Everybody agreed he needed help. Well, over 20 183 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:59,520 sessions, we're documented that said that somebody said this dude is not right. Now is not right, 184 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,760 does that mean evil? I'm going to air on the side of yes. I don't think this is a very nice person. 185 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:13,120 Okay. But to say that mental health services were not provided or were needed and he fell through 186 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:20,800 the cracks, it's just not true. And this is something that, you know, we as a people listening to my 187 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,400 podcast, maybe there's one of you out there and to the one who's listening is probably my husband, 188 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,080 hey, listen to what I'm saying. But to anyone listen to this, if we don't get together and get a 189 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,800 freaking grip in this country and say our kids who are doing the right thing, who are following the 190 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:42,160 rules, who are making good grades, who are in the band or cheerleaders and play in football, 191 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:48,240 or the little guy behind the computer building the video games or the robot crew, right? Those 192 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,480 kids that are doing the right things have every right to be protected from these animals that you cannot 193 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,480 say fell through the cracks. Shut up. That defense team can get somewhere with that BS. 194 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Now that said, I got a kick out of this. I don't know if you've been listening to my first 195 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,440 couple episodes, but I brought up the killer's mother in the first episode, right? Dylan Cleebold's mom. 196 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:24,000 And I talked about even for briefly, Dahmer's mom, right? And we talked about the moms and how 197 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:30,320 society is quick to blame those mothers. Well, I may need to pat myself on the back because guess what 198 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:37,760 was brought up at the trial by Mr. Shactor himself, the father of victim Alex Shactor, the killer's mom. 199 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,320 Listen, what he had to say, I even took notes on it like a dork. I literally took notes in my classroom 200 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,480 while I was giving a test. I was doing my job, but while giving a test, I was listening to the victim and 201 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:59,200 back statement. This dad brought up the killer's mom. He looked him dead in the eye. There was 202 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,760 ugly glasses. He looked him dead in the eye. And he said, you know, let me tell you something about 203 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,320 your mother. And I was like, like, he's going to the core. He's going to the core, but you know what, 204 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:14,880 you killed a son. Good. And he said, I was very angry with your mother at the start of this trial. I was 205 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:22,720 extremely angry. And look, if body language could say anything, y'all, Nicholas Cruz's face shot up 206 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:29,760 and he looked at Mr. Shactor when he said it. That dad got this killer's attention when he started 207 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:37,200 talking about his mama. And he said, I was so angry with your mother. And he said, guess what? It's 208 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,920 kind of comical that the anniversary of her death is on the day I'm speaking right now. Your mom 209 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:52,240 died while I'm sitting here talking to you, punk. This is the day she was sunk underground. And I'm so 210 00:16:52,240 --> 00:17:00,720 angry at her this whole trial. But guess what? This shows the humanity of Mr. Shactor in my opinion, 211 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,800 and that he's a good man. And then I'm certain he raised a great son, Alex Shactor. There's no doubt 212 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,480 in my mind because he said, but you know what? I am going to defend your mother right now. And my 213 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,080 jaw dropped like, and you can't see me. Well, maybe you can if you're watching it, but I got goosebumps. 214 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,920 All right, because that's how real this was. He said, I am going to defend your mother. 215 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:29,120 And he went through the list and said, I was so angry at your mom to have raised who could have raised 216 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:38,000 such a psychopath, a sick psychopath. But guess what, buddy? You failed your mother, your mother 217 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:44,400 dearest that you like to blame, right? That you're just so traumatized by her death. You're so upset by 218 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:54,720 her death. Your mother dealt with a monster. You are a monster. I feel bad for your mother. My heart aches 219 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:02,320 for your mother because she did everything she could for you from the age of three to 18 years old. 220 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,480 That's his direct quote. She did everything for you from the age of three to 18 years old. And you 221 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:15,120 know what, buddy? She never gave up on you. Not one time. He said, I have sat here day after day, 222 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:21,440 and listened to all of the therapy that your mother sent you to. All the hours she sent trying to 223 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,920 get you help the days, the years, the months that she invested in you trying to get you to behave 224 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:35,120 to act right. And if your nuts get you medication, I'm adlibbing there. Your mother did everything within 225 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,960 her power before she passed away to fix you. And she did not succeed because you are evil. 226 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:48,640 And I loved it. I felt like he nailed it on the head. That mama were so quick to blame, 227 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:55,200 and God let her rest in peace. But that mama did everything she could for her psychotic monster of a 228 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,680 son and he didn't want to hear it. And then he wants to turn around and say she's the cause of his 229 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:08,320 evil. No, punk. You're an idiot. You're a jerk. And you're not likeable. But hey, the joke's on you 230 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,720 because guess what? When I was in prison, I went in prison. You ready? I worked in prison, right? I 231 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:18,400 worked at Angola. I was looking at this guy. Well, side note. I was looking at this fella while he's 232 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,360 sitting there behind his defense team of seven people. And I'm thinking, you know, if I freaking run 233 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:28,880 a traffic light, I'm not going to get anybody to care about me. You murder 17 people. And we've got these 234 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,600 want to be, you know, save the world vigilante. He's acting like you're worth something. But I was looking 235 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:45,840 at him and he fits every single notch on the rape target list. Now, I don't want to make rape 236 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:53,600 funny. It's not. But if ever, if ever, there were some type of vigilante justice that would go down 237 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:59,760 on this boy, he's about to find out. So when I was working in the prison, five foot seven or shorter, 238 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:07,520 under 160 pounds, white from urban areas, non, well, he doesn't fit this one nonviolent offender. 239 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:15,360 Obviously, he's a violent offender. But podna, you better hope they put you in solitary. 240 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,440 I'm telling you now, because, uh, Nicholas, you about to be 241 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:29,760 Nicholas. Okay. They're about to handle you, son. But Mr. Shactor, I thought did so wonderful. 242 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:36,960 Saying you failed you, podna. Nobody here failed you. The system, quote unquote, didn't fail you. 243 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,320 That's a cop out. We are the system. The system gave you years and years of therapy. The schools 244 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,720 recognized that you were nut. Your mother saw that you were crazy and not crazy in a poor fellow. He's 245 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:56,720 got a problem in an evil way. You were evil. You were mean. You are diabolical. And only a mother's love 246 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,400 would have stood that test. And until the day she died, she tried to help you and you wouldn't, 247 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:10,240 you wouldn't accept it. You didn't want it. So the jokes on you, because another fun fact, if you will, 248 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,000 the day that he was that, uh, Nicholas Cruz was sentenced was also Mr. Shactor's birthday. 249 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:28,560 And he said, so I'll leave you with this. This is the day that you disappear. You don't matter anymore. 250 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,960 For all intents and purposes, you're about to be wiped off the mat, buddy. No one cares about you. Your 251 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:45,920 mother's dead. Your piece of shit, those, my words, not his. Your life is meaningless. Your purpose 252 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:53,360 list. You're about to go to prison for the rest of your life. And I will celebrate every single, 253 00:21:53,360 --> 00:22:01,360 I will celebrate this day from this day forward on my birthday knowing that you were no more. 254 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,360 I hope you enjoy it. I hope you have a good time, right? But he also said something else. I really 255 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:16,960 took two and he turned and talked to the jury directly and told them that they got it dead wrong. 256 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,720 And that he will now work to make absolute changes in the criminal justice system in terms of 257 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:33,280 jurors and needing a unanimous decision. So Florida recently, or Florida's law is that they have 258 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,120 to have a unanimous decision for him to have gotten the death penalty, which means one 259 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:43,760 juror thwarts an entire jury. Everyone on that jury could have said, let's, yeah, the death penalty. 260 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:50,880 One person thwarted that. Y'all, no matter what we do, people are going to have these, 261 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,920 their beliefs, right? I have my beliefs. I try to be educated. I try to, you know, we're actually 262 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,560 election time. I actually go research what I'm going to be voting on because I think that my vote, 263 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:06,240 my opinion is that if you're not going to vote, then shut up. You don't get an opinion. If all you're 264 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,560 going to do is complain, get out of my way. I have things to do. Well, same thing here. If, 265 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:17,360 when we get a jury and it, it has to be unanimous and one person decides they're just against the 266 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:22,080 death penalty and no matter what, they're not going to vote for it. No, even if the law says they fit 267 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:31,040 the bill, even if, if Nicholas Cruz does not fit the bill of needs to be executed, 268 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,800 nobody on the planet does. The defense stood up at one point and said, the death penalty is for the 269 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:43,520 worst of the worst. Please tell me what's worse because what I saw was a 14 year old boy, Mr. 270 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:49,600 Shactor's son, right? Little Alex, 14 years old, in his little band uniform at school in his 271 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,960 English class, the picture he was in his band uniform, but he was in his English class, 272 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:01,120 right in essay and he gets a bullet to him and it, and kills him and he's done nothing. He probably 273 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,920 didn't even know Nicholas Cruz and then Nicholas Cruz continued and I hate saying his name. He 274 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,960 didn't deserve it. He's a friggin murderer and that's something I loved about the dad too is that 275 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,840 he did not call him by his name. He called him by his prisoner number. I didn't write it down. I 276 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,040 probably should have, but let's just say he was, you know, his number is one, two, three, four. He would 277 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,760 say and you prisoner number one, two, three, four, failed your mother and I was like, oh, it's burn, 278 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,080 right? Getting. Seems childish, but I liked it, right? It really solidified the fact that you're nothing. 279 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,600 You're nothing. You're a ward of the state, sir. You're no, but you will be told when to eat, 280 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:45,200 when to sleep. But on that note, one juror can thwart an entire jury and he avoided the death 281 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,200 penalty and then the defense wants to say that should be safe for the worst of the worst. There's 282 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,680 nothing worse than a coward who will plan. He put on his fatigues as ROTC fatigues or whatever you 283 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:02,240 want to call him. He walked on to campus. He planned. He got the weapons. He went and he murdered people. 284 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:09,760 He went up and down the halls. Some kids he went back and shot him again. What is worse than pre-meditated, 285 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,560 evil, murder of multiple people? He even made a video if you haven't been following this. He made a 286 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,320 video. Matter of fact, we're going to find that video and we're going to pop it in here real quick, 287 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,160 the audio of it. Listen to him in his own words. Today is the day. The day that it all begins, 288 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:36,000 the day of my massacre shall begin. All the kids in school have been fear and hide. From the wrath 289 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:43,440 of my power they will know who I am. I am nothing. I am no one. My life is nothing and meaningless. 290 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:51,520 Everything that I hold dear I let go beyond your half. Every day I see the world ending another day. 291 00:25:51,520 --> 00:26:01,440 I live a long life, live in seclusion and solitude. I hate everyone and everything. With the power of my 292 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:10,480 AR you will all know who I am. I had enough of being told what to do and when to do. I had enough of being 293 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:17,680 telling me that I'm an idiot and a dumbass. In real life you're all the dumbass. You're all stupid 294 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:26,000 and brainwashed by these fucking political government programs. You will all see you will all know who 295 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:36,000 my name is. I love for you Angie will never go away. I hope to see you in the afterlife. On one day 296 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:46,800 another you will end and will all die. Hello. My name is Nick and I'm going to be in next school sugar 297 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:55,440 of 2018. My goal is at least 20 people with an AR 15 and a couple of trace rounds. I think I can do a 298 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:06,160 good done. Location is Sturm Douglas and Parkland Florida. It's going to be a big event. 299 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:14,960 And when you see me on the news, you'll all know who I am. You're all going to die. 300 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:29,440 Can't wait. Here's a plan. I'm going to go take Uber in the afternoon before 240. I'm there. I'll go into 301 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:40,560 my school campus, walk up the stairs, load my bags and get my AR and shoot people down at the main 302 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:51,600 was it the main courtyard? Wait and people will die. So how do you like that? How do you like what he just said 303 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:58,240 in it from from his own mouth, right? From his own mouth, he's talking about it like as a baseball game 304 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,680 and these kids are asleep or are at home on in their own business, doing their homework, 305 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,200 hanging out with their family for the last days of their lives and have no clue. It's evil. 306 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:18,240 You're right. It should be for the worst of the worst. And this guy, he fits the bill. If the 700 pages 307 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:27,520 and 15 years or however, 10 years of medical intervention can't fix you, what will? 308 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:36,640 And another thing, you ought to go do a little research on this. The defense 309 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:44,480 table acted so immature. It was an embarrassment. At one point, one of the female defense 310 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:51,280 team members reaches up her right hand and pretends she's scratching her cheek and flips the judge off. 311 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Okay, if we were in my 11th grade class and a kid did that to another kid, okay, 312 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:05,840 that's bad behavior, but I get it funny, right? But if I were the parent of a dead child 313 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:14,880 and that behavior came out of that defense table, the bailiff would earn his paycheck that day 314 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:23,440 because mama would be coming across that table. I'm telling you and how dare you, the disrespect 315 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,680 and we wonder, we wonder if our kids act like they do. She laughed with the killer afterwards. 316 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:42,000 She laughed with him. Can you imagine being the parent? I have no words for that. So how about this, 317 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:50,800 another little girl, her name was Alyssa. Alyssa's mom got up and I really, I really like the mama here 318 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,040 and she said to him to the killer. She said, I would have had the courage to run in that building 319 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:03,200 and would have taken the eight bullets for her. Her little girl, y'all took eight bullets 320 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,000 and she said, I would have run in that building and taken the eight bullets for her. 321 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:15,040 And then she said, quote, I hope you are miserable the rest of your pathetic life. 322 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:23,840 And there was like an intense stare down. She said, may your life be painful and show no mercy. 323 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:36,080 He showed no mercy. Why? Why are we showing mercy to someone who refused to show mercy to others? 324 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,960 So I don't know if y'all remember this case. I know I do. And again, this has nothing to do with, 325 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,680 you know, any political thing or anything, but Matthew Shepard, do you all remember that case where he was 326 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:54,960 a young gay little short, small, statured white guy and he was beaten to death and tied to a 327 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:06,560 fence post and he ends up dying. That was in lyromy. But you know, there's a show out. It's an old movie. 328 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,240 You can probably find it maybe on Netflix or something, but I'll never forget the end of that movie, 329 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,760 spoiler alert. When the entire movie, they're struggling, right now. I told you we wanted to talk 330 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,440 about victims, but the whole movie is centered around the struggle of his parents, of what they wanted to do 331 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,320 as far as the request of what should happen to the killers of him. Again, it was unprovoked. 332 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,840 The defense at one point on this case tried to argue gay panic was why they killed him, which is the most 333 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,200 absurd thing I've ever heard in my life, but we're going to play audio. Now this is from the movie, 334 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,080 but I felt like the actor did a good job and we're going to play for you the victim impact statement 335 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:52,960 read to the killers. And the dad here is who reads the statement. And there's a part in here you're 336 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,600 going to hear what he says. I'm going to give you a grant you the gift of life. And I'm going to show you 337 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:03,600 mercy because you were where you refused to show mercy to my son. And I hope you live a long, long life. 338 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,920 Go ahead and take a listen real quick. My son Matthew did not look like a winner. 339 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:17,600 He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died. 340 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:28,720 However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. On October 6th, 1998, my son tried 341 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:40,160 to show the world that he could win again. On October 12th, 1998, my first born son and my hero lost. 342 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:48,480 On October 12th, 1998, my first born son and my hero died. 343 00:32:48,480 --> 00:33:00,960 50 days before his 22nd birthday. I keep wondering the same thing that I did when I first saw him in the 344 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:09,680 hospital. What would he have become? How could he have changed his piece of the world to make it better? 345 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,600 Matt officially died in a hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado. He actually died on the outskirts of 346 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:31,360 Laramie. Tied to offense. You, Mr. McKinney, with your friend Mr. Henderson left him there by himself. 347 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:39,920 But he was not alone. There were his lifelong friends with him. 348 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,160 Friends that he had grown up with. You're probably wondering who these friends were. 349 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:56,560 First he had the beautiful night sky and the same stars and moon we used to see through a telescope. 350 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,480 Then he had the daylight and the sun to shine on him. 351 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:10,400 And through it all, he was breathing in the scent of the pine trees from the snowy range. 352 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:19,600 He heard the wind. He ever present my oaming wind for the last time. 353 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:27,280 He had one more friend with him. He had God. 354 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,760 And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone. 355 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,600 Matt's beating, hospitalization, and funeral focus worldwide attention on hate. 356 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:52,640 Good is coming out of evil. People have said enough is enough. I miss my son. 357 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,120 But I am proud to be able to say that he was my son. 358 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,440 Judy has been quoted as being against the death penalty. It has been stated that Matt was against the 359 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:15,360 death penalty. Both of these statements are wrong. I too believe in the death penalty. 360 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:27,040 I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney. 361 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:35,680 However, this is the time to begin the healing process 362 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:41,920 to show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy. 363 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Mr. McKinney, I am going to grant you life as hard as it is to do so because of Matthew. 364 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:12,240 Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, the Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't. 365 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:21,280 Every time you wake up in your prison cell, remember you had the opportunity and the ability 366 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:29,040 to stop your actions that night. You robbed me of something very precious and I will never forgive you. 367 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:44,480 Mr. McKinney, I give you life in the memory of someone who no longer lives. 368 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,800 May you have a long life and may you thank Matthew every day. 369 00:36:52,800 --> 00:37:09,360 I feel the pain or I sympathize if you will, the pain of these parents when they're saying my god. 370 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,160 You know, if people are like, oh, we got these killers get life in prison and that's worth in the 371 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:22,000 death penalty. No, it's not. No, it's not. If you think that, then let's go right back to the 372 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,440 audio we just listened to and discuss that for a second. Every birthday that these killers get 373 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:34,080 to celebrate, their victims won't. Every holiday, every phone call from their parent or a friend, 374 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:41,760 every visitation, every breath that they take, their victim doesn't. I don't 375 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,800 ever want to feel what these parents have felt, but I recognize the fact that 376 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:56,880 you know, having to decide or wanting to, getting to make the decision where someone lives or dies 377 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,200 on a jury, I get that, that that is a heavy decision to make. However, I think in some instances, 378 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,600 it's warranted. It is what it is. I mean, even the Bible doesn't eye for an eye, right? But 379 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:20,960 the victim impact statements shouldn't be disregarded or thought of as vengeful because they're not 380 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,760 vengeful. They're getting to express how they feel. The dad that I was just talking about Mr. Shactor 381 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:33,200 said that he's going to work to try to change the law to where it's not a unanimous jury decision 382 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:40,480 on the death penalty. You know, in Louisiana, we have unanimous jury and I don't like that now. This case 383 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,960 changed that for me. On one side of the coin, I do see how you could say, all right, well, you know, 384 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:51,760 you are putting someone to death. We all should agree that it's that egregious, but this shows a failure 385 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:59,360 to me. This is a failure. If that does not apply in this situation, then nothing will ever meet the 386 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:05,920 muster. Now, again, I'm an illegal expert and just a human being, but I'm paying attention. 387 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,280 And I think that you ought to see what the law is in your state even. Check it out. What do you know about 388 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,640 your state? That's just unacceptable. And I don't want you to think I'm vengeful or that I'm 389 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,040 you know, bloodthirsty or anything like that. It's not that. It's that some people do not deserve 390 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,040 to be amongst us when they have proven that they do not have any regard 391 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,440 for our rules, our constitution, or for just general decency towards others. Mr. Shackard, 392 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,720 another thing he said, this, I'm telling you, this guy was a boss. He even laughed at the psychologist. 393 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,320 I found her stood what he said correctly, which I think I did. The psychologist or the woman that 394 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:02,560 was calling Cruz and befriending him was the mother of a Sandy Hook victim. Don't get it twisted. 395 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:12,640 I am devastated for the Sandy Hook parents. I am so devastated for them. I remember seeing the newspaper 396 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680 release the day after Sandy Hook happened and there was a front page picture of me and my mom were 397 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,320 going in Walmart. And on that front page, you could see the little little kids with their hands out, 398 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,200 you know, like running away from the building. They were little and one little girl just stood out to 399 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,360 me because she was taller, much taller than the rest of the other students and she reminded me of my 400 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,320 daughter because my daughter who's 14 is they near a foot taller than me and she's always been the 401 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,040 tallest in her class and it just really, it pulled at my heart because I'm like, oh my god, those babies. 402 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,800 But this is where I'd like to talk to people who this is not a political thing. This is just a 403 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:57,360 just hear me out. The woman is calling Nicholas Cruz and this is documented and when they hang up she says, 404 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:04,800 I love you to him. Like she is going to somehow love the evil out of him and he says, I love you too. 405 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:12,400 And then on a write-up immediately after they hang up the phone and he goes back to his cell, 406 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:24,720 he takes his hemorrhoid blood from his butt and paints six, six, six on his cell wall. This is why people 407 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,520 who are in law enforcement or who have worked in corrections, a lot of people like, man, you're jaded 408 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,880 or you're hard, you know, hard core towards people. Everyone can change. Everyone has the ability, 409 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:41,680 sure, sure, everyone could. Yeah, well, I could get hit by a car today. I could solve, you know, 410 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:50,160 world hunger, but I'm not. Okay. And I don't mean that, you know, yeah, do I mean it, I do. I mean it from 411 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,760 my heart. Some people cannot be fixed and people look like fools when they're calling up here telling 412 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,480 these people acting like they're going to love the evil out of someone. He makes a mockery of the sister. 413 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:12,560 He makes a mockery of that woman. And I think maybe in her heart she's trying to show love and mercy 414 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:21,200 where it wasn't shown to her child. I get that and how admirable from a, just from a humanistic standpoint, 415 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,920 how admirable that someone could try to turn tragedy into love. But this is he's making a full of you. 416 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,080 You know, when I worked in the prison system, it always, I don't know how it made me feel, but I 417 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,840 don't ever want to laugh at people. And I definitely don't want to laugh or look condescendingly down on 418 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,800 anyone who would take their time to come into a prison and try to minister to the inmates. They are 419 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:56,400 good people, you know, I go to church, I believe in Jesus. But they would come and just minister and 420 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,840 preach to these men. And I would watch these men just accept it and oh, you're just changing their 421 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,800 life and you know, look at all the happiness and the joy in the, in the clouds part in the birds saying 422 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,720 the butterflies are flapping and not 10 minutes after those people walk out of the prison gates and go 423 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:17,600 back home to their church and, and to their lives, which I'm not, I'm not knocking that, but not 10 minutes 424 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,920 later. These guys are back up in the church looking for, I mean, back up in the prison, looking for dope, 425 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,720 sleeping with one another and then visiting with their wives in the weekend. So I don't know, am I 426 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,680 jaded or am I living in the real world because I know what I saw. I know what I, what I worked in. I know what, 427 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,760 I know, I just know what I'm dealing with. And this guy is a prime example of the ain't worth the 428 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,480 oxygen. One of the brothers of one of the victims and I feel bad, I don't have his name written down 429 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,680 right here, but I won't forget he, he stood up and he said, you need to look at me, but he was talking 430 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:58,160 to the jury too. He said, there's no reason why this monster should be spared his life while my sister 431 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:04,400 rots in a grave. Why is the killer getting grace that a victim didn't receive? I cannot wrap my brain 432 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,760 around it. I am a nice person, y'all. I will give you the shirt off my back. I have tried to be kind, 433 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,160 and I love people who are different than me, and I try to be kind to people, even if I don't agree 434 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:20,400 with you because kindness is free. But there's not going to be a day that someone's going to do something 435 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:29,840 to my kid of this level and me show an ounce of grace. I don't know if that makes me a bad person, maybe so, 436 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:36,240 but my job on this planet is to protect these babies that I brought into this world and I'll be damned 437 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,360 if it's not going to happen. And I know these parents felt the same way. I just would have slapped in the 438 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:52,240 face. What an absolute slap in the face. So on the note of shootings, someone sent me a video of 439 00:44:52,240 --> 00:45:01,280 Ben Shapiro having the gun controlled debate with Pears Morgan. 440 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,760 Well, I think what would make sense is laws that are calibrated to solve the problem. So if you 441 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,640 think that the problem is the only assault rifle, which guns would you remove? I think the ones that have 442 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,280 largely been removed from the market, fully automatic weapons would be a good start. I think that 443 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960 you wouldn't remove any semi-albumics at all. And no, because semi-albumics just means that when 444 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,880 you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. You understand how easy it is for farmers, essentially? 445 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,120 You understand how the AR-15 performance when it's been modified and has a magazine 446 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,960 on the North Hollywood shootout. You know what? It was illegal to do that, and people did it anyway. 447 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,360 We have 12 million illegal immigrants in this country. We're not able to stop people from coming 448 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,840 illegally into this country over the southern border into places like California where I live normally. 449 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,960 I think you'd be very hard pressed. You stop guns from coming across that border illegally as well. 450 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,720 I mean, California has some of the strictest laws. Would you want to be an American to have an AR-15? 451 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,320 No, not every American. Who would you stop? I would stop anyone with a criminal background. 452 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,760 I would stop anybody with a history of mental illness. And I would ask, I would require that 453 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,200 people who have somebody who has a criminal background or a history of mental illness in the 454 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:08,160 household keep that gun locked up and safe. What about the background checks? 40% of all gun sales in 455 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,320 America now, gun trades are not covered by background checks. I believe in background checks for 456 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,720 everybody, for everybody. So there should be a database, a national register? If it's not public. I 457 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,640 don't like what happened with the journal news, putting out gun permits, which allows criminals to 458 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,440 target particular homes. So ever the one to want to listen to both sides, I have my opinion, but I 459 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,520 want to listen to both sides. I don't want to go political here, but I just want to go logic. 460 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,440 You know, there's a lot of discussion in this country of what should we do, right? If we didn't have 461 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,800 these high capacity weapons, then these mass shootings wouldn't take place. Well, I'm just, I'm here 462 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,960 to tell you, it's just that's not true. People will find a way when they want to hurt people. 463 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,120 They will find a way. There's a case that happened. I don't remember what state it was, but 464 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,880 these hairy christmas, they were having an election. I don't remember the state. I should have 465 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,840 looked it up, but again, I'm not scripted, but they were having a election and these hairy christmas 466 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:04,480 wanted to have control. And next thing you know, people start dropping dead in this in this county 467 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,960 in the state and they can't figure out what's going on. And then when they finally solve it, 468 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,720 they were going around Yarnham Rashonis, right? We had the buffet and you go get your food at the 469 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:19,760 buffet. They were going around to Shonis and they were taking bottles of like spray pump bottles 470 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,440 and spray in Salmonella on the food and getting everyone sick. And it was killing people because 471 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,440 they wanted to stop people, they wanted to make everyone sick where they couldn't go out and vote 472 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,960 so that they could win an election. Evil will find a way. You should go look up how many 473 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,440 car wrecks happen in this country every day and you're going to go, damn, that's a lot of car wrecks. 474 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:46,000 But you'll notice that nobody says we ought to ban cars. Why do we want to take the good law 475 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:55,040 abiding citizens and take away their right to bear arms because of evil? I don't, there's just not, 476 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,720 that does not make sense. Dylan Clebold, Eric Harris and Columbine got their weapons illegally 477 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:07,200 through somebody else. They didn't even have the ability to get them themselves. They got them 478 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,800 through somebody else. Dylan Cruz, you know, we have to be smart with our weapons and that's part 479 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:20,400 of gun ownership. If someone has a mental issue and you recognize that, why on green, 480 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,800 this green earth would you ever give them a weapon? That's part of your duty as a weapon owner is 481 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:32,240 to lock it up is to ensure that it is safe, you know, and if you don't like weapons, then don't buy them. 482 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:39,280 That could solve that problem for you too. But to argue that we want to limit the rights of people 483 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:46,400 because we have this select few who don't follow the rules. It doesn't work that way. You know, 484 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:53,680 the sad reality is that at these school systems, we have one school resource officer, maybe two. 485 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,480 And, you know, they have a, what, a nine millimeter or 45 or something on their hip. They're going to have 486 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:05,280 to go get their larger weapons. It's going to take time. I think the response in the parklin shooting 487 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,960 was six and a half minutes, seven minutes, which is the average actually because I do teach 911 and 488 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,440 our stat show, the average, like the national average is a seven minute response to the schools. But 489 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,000 people say, oh, let's arm the teachers. That's a firm know and that's coming from a teacher. You have 490 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,840 to understand police tactics and this country does not understand police tactics. We can go on a 491 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,240 whole tangent there. But if you don't understand policing, we definitely don't want everybody to run 492 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:33,680 around with a gun. We also, you know, the first rule of a gun is there's always one introduced into 493 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,840 a altercation. And it's the one that you're carrying. So we don't want teachers who don't understand 494 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:45,600 weapon retention, having a weapon on their side. And then possibly, I don't know, getting jumped by 495 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120 kid or if everyone knows they're wearing their weapon because they want to be bravado about it, 496 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,600 you know, there's a million things that could go wrong there. I would think it'd be cool to explore 497 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,440 if you had teachers that were willing to go through an academy, a legitimate academy, 498 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,280 the law enforcement trained, understand scope of response and weapon retention, all that. Okay, 499 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,520 then maybe we're getting somewhere, maybe a couple on the campus, full out, arming of everybody in 500 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,560 their mom on the campuses. I don't think that's the answer. To just say, do away with, I just don't 501 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,440 see how that is the answer to this problem because you're not doing away with evil. It's not 502 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,560 going away. Diabetes is not going away. Why? Because we know how to fix diabetes, but we're not getting 503 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:30,640 rid of the behaviors or the genetic predisposition or, you know, it just doesn't work like that. You can't 504 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:38,400 take evil out of people. Baning guns will not stop people from being evil. Go look at the statistics 505 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,640 of how many people are killed by baseball bats. How many people are killed by hand strangulation? 506 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,720 You probably be shocked. Uniform crime report, if you want to know where to look, it's called the 507 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,120 uniform crime report. You can look up your county, you can look up your city, your parish, your state, 508 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,000 you can look it up by region of the United States, do some research. Don't jump on a bandwagon just 509 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,840 because someone says, hey, we should just take it all away because I don't think that's the answer. 510 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:08,160 I think the answer is we need to stand up, snatch and not in some of these kids' asses and start 511 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,920 parenting. Number one, and when parents recognize in their own kids like Nicholas Cruz's mother, 512 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:23,200 recognize that he was a nut, that's when we need to have mental health lock up situations, right? 513 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:30,480 And again, I'm not an expert on mental health. I don't claim to be, but I do know that we got to do 514 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:37,040 something in this country and everyone in their mama, including his mama knew that this dude was nuts 515 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,760 and that he had the propensity for evil and nothing was done and you need to ask yourself why. 516 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:50,480 With that said, I think I'm gonna go ahead and wrap up for today. I got all, all hot and bothered by, 517 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:57,200 by all the stress of, we got to do something and it's we as a people, all the good people. We don't 518 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,520 have to agree on everything, but we should always agree that we got to stop evil and sometimes that 519 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:09,840 means that we're gonna have to do things the hard way, but hell, if you're path demands that you walk 520 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:19,120 through hell, we need to walk through it like we own the damn place. 521 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:30,400 I actually have a special guest for you and if you remember, I had discussed a father that gave 522 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,480 his impact statement and his final statements in regards to the parklin shooting and that his son 523 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,320 was one of the unfortunate victims of that shooting and how much he touched my soul. Well, guess what? 524 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:49,680 I reached out to to that father, his name is Mr. Max Schachter and I am honored that I have him 525 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:55,920 on the show today. So hello, Mr. Max, how are you? I'm doing okay, Kelly, thanks for having me. 526 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,880 No problem. And I want to start out by telling our listeners that you are the founder and executive 527 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,680 director of Safe Schools for Alex and he's a huge advocate for school safety. He is a corporate 528 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:14,320 and governmental advisor and inspirational and entrepreneurial speaker from anguish to advocacy. 529 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:21,760 Is there anything you would add to that? No, no, I just got back from Wisconsin and Phoenix and I was 530 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:30,000 just in Ohio yesterday where I speak to law enforcement organizations, school districts, 531 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,320 basically just trying to educate everyone about the lessons that we learned from parklin so that 532 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:42,960 this never happened again. Absolutely. And I wanted to tell you this too and I hope you know from my 533 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,040 from my heart, it is so genuine that I'm so appreciative of you taking the time to speak with me 534 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:55,280 because I really feel like this is almost equivalent to you know opening someone's diary 535 00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,400 and I'm not supposed to be privy to those details you know and it's like I'm reading your diary 536 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,960 and I can't imagine what that must be like to handle this on the you know in front of the world. 537 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:14,320 Yeah, no, it is it is hard but I appreciate you devoting a whole show to this to talk about what 538 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:20,720 happened in parkland and and it's important because as I travel the country there is still so much 539 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:26,640 complacency people don't think it's going to happen in their community and then I hope that 540 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,960 after this conversation they will take an active role in the safety and security of their schools. 541 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:39,040 100%. So I wanted to say a few words to you and I want to see what your thoughts are on these few words. 542 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:49,120 Chocolate Chip cookies Nutella Crapes, Yukon, Big Brown Eyes, Beef Pot Roast, 543 00:54:49,120 --> 00:55:01,120 Trombone, Brother, Anime, Rec Basketball, 105 pounds, 65 inches tall, 2018. 544 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:10,240 Yeah, that's my little boy. You love me. Yeah, you love me. Love Nutella and Nutella Crapes versus 545 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:20,320 Bayer thing and yeah, he was he was he was all of that in more and yeah, we missed him a lot. 546 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:27,520 And a sweet heart. Not that that makes it worse or better but it would a precious soul because I've 547 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:34,880 been looking a lot at his photos and his pictures and you as an individual as a dad when I was 548 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:43,120 following this on on the TV you personally stood out to me. So a lot of my listeners know that you know 549 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:50,960 I'm a teacher as well as a commission deputy but also you know I do the podcast and I really focus 550 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,160 on victims because they're not a headline you know this isn't some story just read and go wow that's 551 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:04,320 terrible and then move on from it because it's forever right and you know tell me tell me this 552 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:10,560 that day in Parkland how did that day start for you can you tell me kind of how it went? 553 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,080 Yeah, it was it was Valentine's Day and I was my wife and I were at the Silicon oven and 554 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:24,400 how to how to great lunch and then we came home at must have been around two o'clock and 555 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:35,600 and then at at two two nineteen the murderer walk through an unlocked unstacked gate at Marjorie 556 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:44,720 Stelman Douglas High School and at two twenty one he pulled his AR-15 out of his guitar case that that he 557 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:56,080 had that he had bought to conceal his his AR-15 and started shooting at at kids in the hallway 558 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:04,800 and shooting from the hallway into every classroom down the hallway and into Alex's classroom 559 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:14,960 and and then going floor to floor and and shooting kids again after he shot them one shooting them at 560 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:23,040 point blank range with their hands up trying to protect themselves and and murdering teachers as well 561 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:34,560 and then after so it must have been must have been as I think about it now what time that happened it 562 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:41,600 must have been it like it's like two twenty five or two thirty that I actually got home now that I 563 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:50,560 think about it and the I'm on a band app I'm on the field crew of Alex these allisers in the Marjorie 564 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:56,960 Stelman Douglas Ego Regiment Marching Band and they said that there was a shooting at Alex's 565 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:05,600 high school and so I went over there I drove over there and as I got close it was completely bought 566 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:11,200 blocked off with cars everybody was double parked and there was this roundabout that I I double 567 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:19,520 parked in the roundabout and I walked over there you know casually you know my mind was thinking that 568 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:28,000 I'm sure it's nothing and and if it is something you know I'm sure Alex is okay and then as I got 569 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,240 over there I'm like this is crazy there's so much law enforcement I'm like what can I do is I 570 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,440 walk back to my car and I'm walking back to the car my wife calls me and she's screaming at me and 571 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,040 crying and she said I said what's going on what's wrong it just is Alex has been shot and I said what 572 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:53,040 are you talking about she said well our our our our little neighbor down the street who was in 573 00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:02,000 Alex's class she saw Alex be shot and and so she said she's crying and she said you better get 574 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:09,200 over there Alex has been shot and so I went to try to go back to school and this one guy said 575 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,800 no sir so you can't go any further and then and said okay I said and then I went behind the 576 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:21,680 firm I'm like I'm going and I tried to go out further down the school and and then again I was blocked 577 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:27,760 by by the Brad Sheriff's Office deputies and and he said don't worry I said you don't understand 578 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,280 that my son's been shot he said well don't worry sir your son's been taken to the hospital and 579 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:40,080 that's that's where I went I went to you know the hospital and my my other family went to other 580 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:48,000 hospitals to try to find Alex and then at the hospital it was just chaos and crying and and then they 581 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,280 said oh don't it's a miss or exactly we found your son I said oh fantastic thank God he's in the 582 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,800 emergency room and I went over there to she said he's right there I'm gonna take you through the 583 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,240 back entrance and and as we get in there she's like oh he didn't that that bed right there I opened 584 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:12,720 the the the great and it's empty and come to find out that they got Alex Shactor mixed up with Alex 585 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:20,960 Touarete who was one of the injured little boys and then nothing able to find him and and then we found 586 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:28,080 out as we were driving home that that the family assistant center they were holding that at the 587 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,600 Marriott Conference Center Conference Room and we got there we're doing like a hundred on the 588 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:40,160 saw graph on the shoulder because it was bumper to bumper traffic um and then and then we got to 589 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:47,520 the family assistant center and it just packed with people um everybody screaming and crying and 590 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:54,240 wanting to know where their their kids and their loved ones are and I had never seen so much clergy 591 01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:02,080 in my life and um and then you know that was at five o'clock and and then the law enforcement 592 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:08,000 in the FBI couldn't tell me anything we met with them I'm like where is my where is my son she couldn't 593 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,040 tell me I'm like don't you know I'm like can't you just look in the hospitals and see where he is 594 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:20,160 right and so you couldn't she couldn't tell me anything and then as uh then that was five o'clock 595 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,360 and then six and seven o'clock and I and be it so kept telling us we'll send us a picture of your 596 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,800 loved one and I'm like I already did that and they're like what we need it again and so we did it again 597 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,280 and emailed it to the email address they sent us and seven eight nine o'clock and gave us no 598 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,200 information at all just telling us to send them pictures and it wasn't until one o'clock this morning 599 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:49,040 where I got called into a little room in the in outside the conference center and uh it was 600 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,120 with the FBI victim services and they told me that that Alex was was murdered in in margarie storm 601 01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:02,560 and Douglas and I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that you know as I was going to the hospital 602 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:10,160 I called my called my older son Ryan and I said Ryan I said we can't find Alex and because I was 603 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:15,920 looking at his life 360 and Alex always had his phone with him and his phone was was at that 604 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:24,560 that that horrible school and um and and and Ryan said dad don't worry it's gonna be okay I said 605 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:30,160 noona I said Ryan you don't understand I said Alex might might not come home and he's like 606 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:37,600 dad it's going we're gonna be okay so it's just just horrible and and my my older son Ryan was 607 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:43,200 really the rock of the family I was very impressed by him didn't he sit next to you during the 608 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:51,920 victim impact statement to read yeah yes I watched him yeah I um I just can't at you know you're in a club 609 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:58,560 nobody wants to be a part of you know yeah um but did you as the day kind of went on and you 610 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,840 realized like you know that the crowd started thinning at some point correct did you kind of get 611 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:10,400 no no it didn't start I mean we were one of we were one of the first ones uh Pam Bondy the 612 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:16,240 Attorney General's time you know we were one of the first uh victim families to be notified at 613 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:23,520 like one or two in the morning geez yeah so I mean we were there for seven seven hours and no 614 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:32,080 information so I read as well that the students had gone through a fire drill earlier in that day 615 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:39,760 did you yeah can you confirm if that's true or not I think it's properly correct yeah yeah some people 616 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:46,560 thought it was it was it was it real so I think that that contributed to the problem right so they 617 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,800 said that there was a fire drill earlier in the day and then when the fire alarm sounded again that 618 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:57,440 that afternoon I even saw one red one teacher said nope don't go out of the room I don't I wasn't 619 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,160 expecting this fire drill because you know as a teacher myself that's something that alerts me is 620 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,160 that we know when fire drills are going to be had so if that fire alarm goes off then I tell my 621 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,760 students stand by it was wait wait for an announcement or something because we were not expecting that 622 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,520 yeah well that's that's the right thing to do but unfortunately in uh it's hard to restome 623 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:27,520 and dug us they didn't have a passive um restraint system with the with the um with the fire alarm 624 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,480 system and typically you're supposed to do what you did and uh what you tell your students is let's 625 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:38,880 let's wait here 30 seconds and to make sure that administration confirms that there's a fire because 626 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,440 you don't want to be sending kids out in the harm's way um but that's not what margarita when Douglas did 627 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:54,320 even in light of the fact that we haven't had a kid die in a school fire in 70 years um everybody 628 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,920 and there's 13 buildings on that campus everyone from every building even though they're all concrete 629 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,560 that's what i'm gonna say hours are are sender block and sheetrock it's not gonna burn exactly and 630 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:12,240 especially all of them all the 13 buildings at the same time it's you know it's it's not certainly not 631 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,520 not making sense that that everybody should be evacuating everybody and so that but that's what 632 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:24,320 happened everybody evacuated in and um and thank god you know the murderer tried to do along Vegas 633 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:31,040 the after he was done shooting and killing people on the first and second and the third floor 634 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,880 he went to the third floor teachers lounge and and tried to do a lot of Vegas he set up a bipod and 635 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,160 tried to shoot out the windows that all the evacuating students that were streaming out of the other 636 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:47,760 buildings you're talking about 3000 kids that went to margarita storm and other tights goal 637 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,680 to thank god he was unsuccessful because that was the newest building on campus and had um 638 01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,320 hercalling glass windows so the bullets fragmented as as they went out and it didn't it didn't work 639 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:06,080 until he got frustrated through his gun down along with you know hundreds of rounds of ammunition 640 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:13,040 and then fled and then he blended in with all the other students that were evacuating six minutes 641 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:20,320 after the shooting and he went to McDonald's correct and sat down with the victim with one of his 642 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:29,520 victims brother if I remember correctly yeah so so there was there there is a a subway in a Walmart 643 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:36,800 near the near the um the school near the high school so he went to subway first uh where he ordered 644 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:46,160 an icy to just kill 17 people and entered another 17 and then uh uh you know was went to go get an icy 645 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:55,920 and then after that he went to McDonald's which is next to subway and he sat down with this kid 646 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:02,800 that he had no he didn't even know um and the other kid didn't know him but uh his name was 647 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:11,280 Sean Wilford um Alex was on John Wilford basketball theme I know the Wilford and sat down with him 648 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:20,400 and asked him for a ride home and uh thank god John did not give him a ride he had like the sixth sense 649 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,400 to say no this is this is not right something wrong with this kid and he never gave him a ride but 650 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,920 John additionally did not know where his his sister was Matty Wilford and and Matty was shot by the 651 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:40,000 murderer of the same individual that was sitting in a booth uh which John asked him for ride home so 652 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,680 and god John did not give him a ride home and then and then the murderer after not getting a ride 653 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:53,680 home from John we'll start walking home and and he was arrested uh several miles down the road 654 01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:02,160 right he didn't uh he shouldn't have made it home um yeah did the made it home alive yeah that's 655 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,160 what that's what i'm saying he should have been neutralized uh way before that but yeah yeah 656 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:12,480 that would have been that would have been uh a lot better than than having to make a sit through 657 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,840 that that horrible trial and fighting with us for for almost five years declaring his innocence 658 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:32,000 and and then uh you know having to go through that trial yeah and so I um was disgusted by um 659 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,120 well okay I know the constitution okay and I understand that we all have a right to you know a 660 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:44,640 defense I was disgusted by his defense team just utterly disgusted but I don't even understand 661 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:50,240 I don't understand why why we need to go through this you know if you're a mass murderer you know 662 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:56,960 you know uh you know check please you know yeah yeah you know I don't I why why do we need to pay 663 01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:04,400 for these mass murderers to stay on death row forever or or get like in prison there if you kill 664 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,400 more than two people you're a mass murderer you should be put to death and and maybe if we were 665 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:17,040 harsher uh instead of coddling these mass murderers like like the defense did putting their arm 666 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,480 around him putting their hand on his leg wrapping with him maybe we wouldn't have so many mass 667 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:29,680 murderers it's just a greed and I don't and excuse my friends but I don't give a damn about his childhood 668 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,480 which we're gonna talk about in a minute that you discuss I don't care if you know things weren't 669 01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:41,040 you know the best for you or if you're you know came from a bad you know situation or whatever that 670 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,440 doesn't give you the right or the excuse to go hurt other people and there's plenty of people who 671 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:55,680 have come from way worse worse worse and have turned out to be amazing people so it's not an excuse 672 01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,240 I'm so over these mitigating factors that are supposed to mean something to me it means nothing to 673 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:06,640 me nothing to me that you went and prayed on innocent people that did nothing to you did nothing to 674 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:15,360 you exactly exactly innocent people innocent children uh you know beautiful souls that uh that you're 675 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:22,960 just you're just evil uh society has tried to rehabilitate you plenty of times uh your your 676 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:32,320 you have your irredeemable and uh for for people out there to be defending them uh you know 677 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:39,840 individuals you know like like like Scarlett Lewis that that that called him and called him and 678 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:48,320 and said I love you it's just gross and disgusting and and nobody should should ever be nice or kind 679 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:56,400 he doesn't deserve it he didn't give his victims any any kindness um and he should not get any in return 680 01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:04,960 right i just cannot even you know she's being she okay that mom was the mother of a sandy hook victim 681 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:11,440 which I know in in a lot of people's lights you know would say it gives her a little a little latitude i 682 01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:17,760 guess to be able to have a little more to say or to do but while she may be kindhearted and and that's 683 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,200 nice i guess you know he's taking her for an absolute fool i worked in the prison system i worked 684 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:28,320 at Angola which is the largest all male maximum security penitentiary in in the United States i've 685 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,920 worked amongst these guys and they they played the game they're nice in your face they say what they 686 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,320 think you want to hear or what's going to get them what they want and they're laughing at you 687 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,440 behind your back they're doing whatever i mean you even brought it up that that she says i love you 688 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,320 on the phone and then he's right and six six six on the on the cell wall with his hemorrhoid blood 689 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,320 he doesn't give a shit about who he hurt he's still he's still writing letters saying that i want 690 01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:01,440 to kill more people and and and and telling other uh other people the next future school mass murder 691 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:06,800 to go to go kill more people uh this guy should it should have been put to death he should have 692 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:14,640 gotten the death penalty we have the death penalty in florida and uh any anyone for for who advocates 693 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:20,960 for anything less than the parkland murderer to receive the ultimate penalty and injustice under 694 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:27,760 under the law is is just disgusting to me i look you're you're preaching to the choir here i'm with you 695 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:32,080 so just to just to give my listeners a list real quick and this is courtesy of your information 696 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,160 during your final statement um they did try to make the argument that you know he fell through the cracks 697 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:47,120 and you were like he is the he is the he is the crack you know so 15 sessions over 13 months of therapy 698 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,400 that he got starting in what elementary school when he was younger direct language therapy multiple 699 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:58,560 times per week weekly family counseling he got academic and social therapy through the school they 700 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:07,120 prescribed medications 27 home visits 700 pages of therapy sessions turned in hundreds of hours 701 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,880 of additional therapy that was also documented and admissions counselors said that he was in group 702 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:19,760 sessions and then given individual sessions his GPA was a 3.14 his freshman year and he had good 703 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:26,880 attendance only missing two days 47 meetings with parent at his parent advocate his sophomore year 704 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,800 he was getting weekly counseling by school and privately he continued sessions up until the shooting 705 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:40,880 and he also had 77 disciplinary reports while he was in school yeah i mean when you were talking about 706 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:47,600 he had you know x number of sessions you know that was over short periods of time you know for like 707 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:53,920 for like you know 12 months or 15 months he had that those sessions he was in a a cluster or any 708 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:59,920 as the cluster at a very very young age he was getting constant therapy not just for a couple of years 709 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:07,040 for out his entire life uh you know they he had multiple psychiatrists multiple psychologists he had 710 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,000 school counselors they were at I mean I'm not talking about just for a couple of years 711 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:20,160 50 with three years old he was getting therapy up until 18 they were at his house for hundreds 712 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:27,680 of hours a you know of therapy there was at his house for hours a day giving him therapy 713 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:35,680 getting his mother therapy to help her um be you know know how to handle her this the murderer 714 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:42,160 and then or other some we were both monsters um they would destroy her house uh you know 715 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:48,800 ruin you know punch holes in the wall destroy her furniture and um so how to propensity for violence 716 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:55,200 too it wasn't like he was just crazy he was a a violent pain oh the defense defense said that he 717 01:14:55,200 --> 01:15:02,000 was mentally at least mentally ill he was just a and he had uh anti social personality disorder he 718 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:10,000 was a a sociopath and uh you know we he got every service that was available and then some 719 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:18,960 the sheriff the M.S.D. commission uh sheriff Bob Dalteieri who was in a uh sheriff for a long time 720 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:25,520 and who was also an attorney said that he's never seen anybody get more services than the parkland 721 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:36,240 murderer so you know uh we we tried uh society tried to get him off his pathways of violence but 722 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:44,800 but but what happened was his his IP that he had uh his individual uh exceptional 723 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:51,280 you know education plan basically gave him a bubble of impregnability and so they prioritized the 724 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:58,320 rights of the parkland murderer over every other get in the class and the teacher that was a 725 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:04,800 great of him so that they never erected him you know we're all we're all in favor of getting 726 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:13,680 to the second chance but not 77 of them and and law enforcement is at his house over 40 times 727 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:20,560 you know in in some areas of the country and county there's like a a three-peat offender 728 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:26,880 and over a 30 30 day period time or whatever you know if you're a repeat offender you know it should 729 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,080 be flagged and then they should go out and do something you know it's bullshit that they were at 730 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:39,200 his house for dozens and dozens of times and never did anything um and and if he had been arrested 731 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:46,960 and and there were uh arrestable offenses he punched his mother's teeth out uh he he hit her over he 732 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:55,600 hit her uh with a vacuum cleaner uh hoes and you know in in other areas uh there's domestic violence 733 01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:02,560 laws that no matter if the if the the victim wants to press charges or not the law enforcement has 734 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:10,080 an obligation to to arrest and and if he has been arrested he would not have been able to buy 735 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:16,880 that weapon and and I I believe Alex would still be here today there's some individuals out there 736 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:23,280 that that you know just needed to be introduced at the criminal justice system and and the problem is 737 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:30,640 that the parkland murder was not and never had any consequences and he learned that so that as he 738 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,640 got older he was violent starting at a very very young age from a little boy when he was three 739 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:42,240 as he got more violent as he got older he got more violent and there were never any consequences 740 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,520 and then when he and his mother was afraid of them and then when he turned 18 she bought him a gun 741 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:55,360 yeah I don't I don't get that um I don't get that there I you know you you even said in your 742 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:02,800 statement um that you almost felt felt for her in a way because she did try to do everything 743 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,760 for him I guess in terms of mental health that she could but why did she buy the gun did they ever 744 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:16,400 yeah what is that about yeah I don't get that it was it was obviously a fatal error on her part um 745 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:23,040 you know obviously I wish that she would not have done it but you know after she died it's not like 746 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,800 he wouldn't have gone and done it her and himself anyway right right and I'll tell you this too I don't 747 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,640 represent anybody when I say this I want to be crystal clear this is just me talking as an 748 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,040 individual with no representation of any agency or school system or anything like that 749 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:44,080 but you know I've had a student in my past years and years ago who heard voices from a young age 750 01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:50,240 documented and and stood up in front of my classroom one time and gave this manifesto about how he 751 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:55,440 had a dark side and a light side and how he his dark side was starting to take over and that he wanted 752 01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:00,640 to hurt people and it scared the kids in my class so much that I even removed him and said look bro 753 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,120 this ain't the room for that you know if you're having a meltdown we got to attack it a different 754 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,160 way but you're not going to stand up here and scare people he even came back one time and pulled me 755 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,560 out of class and I walked outside to try to get him away from the other students because I'm telling 756 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,720 you within my heart and soul I thought he was going to shoot me and the student so I was trying to 757 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,880 pull him outside of the school the school and we sat outside on a step while he told me how he 758 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:30,400 wanted to murder his grandmother and I made a police report I even drove to his mother I left 759 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:38,960 school it was that it was that painfully obvious this needed to be handled now I left school in my own 760 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,520 time drove to his mother and said we need to talk mother to mother right now not teacher to you know 761 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:52,080 and I laid out everything that he was saying and doing and I was basically told thanks no thanks we'll 762 01:19:52,080 --> 01:20:01,760 handle it and that was a wrap wow our hands as teachers are tied as well because if we ride a kid 763 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:07,360 up a bunch of times then we're being mean and picking on the kid if we don't ride the kid up they never 764 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:12,400 get consequences for their actions if they have the IEPs and I'm not I'm not saying that everywhere I 765 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,880 know I know administrators are doing the best they can with what they're able to do I'm not I'm not 766 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:22,480 saying anything bad about any administrators but I think it's important to note here based on what 767 01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:32,880 you've said too that we need harsher consequences for their actions would you I mean if an individual 768 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:40,880 obviously you know so we there's a federal law you know that you want you want to put kids in 769 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:49,120 a least restrictive environment and you know we're all in favor of that but obviously so what 770 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:58,640 happened was he did well in in in these more more smaller environments in in all these alternative 771 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:04,320 schools and then when he did better then they said oh okay well let's let's mainstream them well 772 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:10,480 obviously that shouldn't have happened so right certain kids should be in certain environments and 773 01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:17,680 and and you know if you can't get an individual off the pathway to violence then then we've got to 774 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:24,080 take a severe consequence you should have never been in JROTC where they're teaching them how to 775 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:30,000 shoot a rifle I mean that was the last place that he needed to be was around guns with an obsession 776 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:37,120 with guns and violence and and wanting to you know kill and mutilate and skin animals and was open 777 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:47,040 about it too and he was open about it too like he didn't try to hide it like it's just beyond you know 778 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:52,560 Alex should be you know at Yukon graduating and moving moving on with his life and instead this is 779 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:57,840 where we're at because we we don't want to we don't want to be mean to a kid I just don't that doesn't 780 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,960 that dog does not hunt with me you know something has to be done so I wanted to ask you this too 781 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:09,360 once you got to court okay you knew the cameras were on you did that affect no I didn't I didn't 782 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:16,240 initially I didn't know that and you know we learn I learned it over the time but I'm in court I'm not 783 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:23,440 watching I'm not watching TV at home you know right so and you don't really see you know the camera's 784 01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:30,240 on in your face there's like a camera somewhere you know and you're I'm I'm intently watching you know 785 01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:38,320 the jury's reaction to the testimony and I'm I'm I'm death staring the the murderer of of of of 786 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:45,920 Alex and and the jury that is that dressed him up as howdy duty and and lowered his chair all the way 787 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:52,880 to the ground and put him in a sweater like in a sweater vest and put glasses on him and and 788 01:22:52,880 --> 01:23:01,920 just created this you know facade to try to make him out to be the victim and so I was not eventually 789 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:09,680 you know I learned you know that that they were I mean it's horrible and you know the you know we had 790 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:15,040 not one medical examiner testified we had seven different medical examiners that that's fine 791 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:21,280 just because there's so many so many victims right and when when the medical examiner was there 792 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:26,640 talking about an individual victim like talking about Alex the camera pants to me and in 793 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:33,040 cherish this ridiculous you know it was it was really an invasion of my privacy I felt like and 794 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:39,280 that's what I was gonna ask you the the effect there seemed very cold that they would do that to you 795 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:45,600 of course you're gonna be responding emotionally and and what was even harder was that 796 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,840 you know the defense you know threatened that they were gonna call a mistrial and and that's what 797 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:57,600 they did like you know they told us initially you know try not to show emotion I'm like what are 798 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,640 you talking about they just told me my kid was murdered and and shot a multiple times and on a lot 799 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:11,360 of the the testimony a lot of families it was the first time they were hearing such excruciatingly 800 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:18,560 horrible details and so for they told us we couldn't we couldn't wear an Alex shirt I couldn't 801 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,920 wear a safe school for Alex shirt I couldn't wear an out a physical Alex pin I couldn't wear anything 802 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:30,800 like that not only are a tire but we couldn't I couldn't it's always going to make a peak you know 803 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,240 and and one time I made a gas and I was crying and I was just inconsolable hearing this news and 804 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:43,920 and then it's been tried to get a mistrial because of that you know shift you're creating the it's 805 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,920 like it's like it's like in favor of the the murderer you know that that you can't have a motion 806 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,960 that's unconscionable I get you know looking at it from an objective point of view I get what 807 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,280 what they're saying we don't want you to do anything that might you know affect the jury I guess if 808 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,720 you will like the autopsy photos like your shirt somehow is gonna overthrow autopsy photos of 809 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:10,960 murdered children yeah I mean that's just absurd but yeah I listened when they were going through 810 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:16,800 and and I'll be brief on this I will I promise when they were going through the autopsy and what 811 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:26,240 had happened to Alex and the killer didn't even really respond much he didn't have anything he 812 01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:32,160 just was doodling kind of on his paper and like it was another day and that you know like they they 813 01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:39,360 made it out like he was remorseful he was in remorseful he wants to kill again you know he enjoyed it 814 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:48,160 he said that he loves to see the family suffer he wanted to torture and kill as many people as 815 01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:54,480 possible and he said that it go with the killed 20 people the only reason he stopped was because he 816 01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:03,440 didn't think that there was anybody else to kill sick but let me let me tell you this that judge in the 817 01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:12,160 trial what were your thoughts on her no she was great she was great I mean we were frustrated that it 818 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:20,480 took you know so long but but you know four and a half years but when we finally got going 819 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:27,120 she was great she didn't she didn't put up with with bullshit from the defense and all their 820 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:35,520 you know they're nothing motion and you know after the trial she delivered this beautiful speech 821 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:41,440 you know telling you know talking about about the victims families and it was very very kind of her 822 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:47,360 I thought she personally was a beast I loved it I thought and I played this in my classroom like 823 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:53,440 you were in my classroom your son was in my classroom they learned about him they saw his picture 824 01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:59,760 you know what I mean and I told that the students I said they were like man she's tough I said yeah 825 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,280 that's what we need we don't need cut we don't you know at this point we don't need kindness at this 826 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,160 point they need to get we need we need to understand and remember who the victims are here 827 01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:19,440 the victims are not are not the the the the parkland murder is not the victims right the victims families 828 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:27,600 are the 17 or the victims and and so you know even though the defense tried to paint him out as a 829 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:34,160 victim you know I think that that she was able to keep you know keep focus on who the victims were 830 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:42,080 and it's hard you know because the the defense can get up there and and twist the truth and 831 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:47,520 and and in the closing statement you know you can the the the prosecution can deliver all the fact 832 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:54,880 of the case and then for the defense in the in her closing statement to say that basically you 833 01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:01,520 can ignore all the facts and just vote your conscience you know and and if you and if you vote 834 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:07,440 forget your conscience will never you'll never forgive yourself and to ignore all the facts like why 835 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,600 what are we here in the first place for that right why don't you have the trial well you know and 836 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:18,560 something that stood out to me too are you familiar with the jody areas case yes I do remember that 837 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:24,880 a mile ago right yeah and she had murdered her ex-boyfriend but in that in that in that case 838 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:30,160 the reason she did not get the death penalty was because there was one holdout in the jury 839 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:38,320 and is that not what happened in your y'all's case there was there was one heart no and then 840 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,360 and then I think she convinced two others to vote for life as well but you know we're gonna we're 841 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:52,880 gonna fix that yes in Florida and and fix it from majority from from unanimous to to majority 842 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:58,800 in that's what it should be yeah there's a bill in the photo legislature to fix that that injustice 843 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,360 also and when is that going up do you know it's already it's already been presented I think it was a 844 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:11,840 couple of weeks ago in committee so I I'm pretty confident that will pal I hope it does because you 845 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,960 know before I don't think I quite understood the implications just whenever you're just reading about 846 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,960 that happened because in Louisiana I think we just switched it to where it's got to be unanimous 847 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,520 and I was like well I guess I get that because you're putting somebody to death but then after 848 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:30,320 watching y'all's trial I'm like wait a minute wait a minute we're forgetting about who matters 849 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:36,480 here and that's the victims not this is this is not a case this is not a case of like you know 850 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:44,640 misidentifying the culprit of a crime or you know racial injustice or you know someone that was 851 01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:51,680 economically disadvantaged and they got convicted this is nothing to do with that you know this guy 852 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:58,800 admitted it he's the one who did it he had he said he killed 70 people we know he did it you have 853 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:04,720 him on video tape it's not a question he's guilty we shouldn't even have to go through this yeah 854 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:10,480 and all it did was re-victimize y'all in my opinion you know that you had it and now and now we got 855 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:19,040 it we got the trial of the the coward from Broward the school resource officer that that went to 856 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:24,640 the front of the building and heard those gunshots and then went he got scared and went and hid behind 857 01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:33,200 the concrete pillar for the next 40 minutes and and his trial is coming up in in May which is going 858 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:38,800 to be horrible as well well and I took I have watched that video multiple times like multiple and I 859 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:44,160 was dumb found it matter of fact Jim make a note we're gonna post that for our our listener so they 860 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,040 can go watch it and really see what happened and that you're right he posted up right there he didn't 861 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,520 even enter the building and in the radio traffic you know when he's going over the radio he's like 862 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:59,920 do not enter this building yeah that that blew me away say 500 yards away say 500 yards it would know 863 01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:06,320 get your ass in that building and start putting some rounds down range and stop this guy slow him 864 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:13,360 down change the target you know just unbelievable that that that really because I know the SRO where I 865 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:20,560 work he's not playing that game he's coming in he's coming in and you know well I think you know 866 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:27,600 I think a long time ago you know prior prior to you know Parkland there was and you know it shouldn't 867 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:35,280 it shouldn't even have taken Parkland there was you know the SRO was the guy that was you know just 868 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:42,640 a couple of years from retire and and and that was the Parkland SRO he was basically just retired 869 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:52,800 on duty and and and now it's changed in Florida I hope it's changed around the country that you know this 870 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:59,280 is this is not something that's you gotta be carefully selected it got to be very good with 871 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:06,960 children they have to have taken deescalation training and and they have to be trained properly 872 01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:14,880 but you know we can't have that kind of mentality you have to have a very serious individual 873 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:20,480 with with tactical training that knows what to do to keep the kids safe absolutely and so 874 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,880 you know I wanted to say something about another statement that you have made and then I want to 875 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,480 move on to your to the safe schools for Alex because you have so much great stuff in there but 876 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:36,320 when you said one hard question for you is that when people say you know how many kids do you have 877 01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:45,680 and I I personally have a testament I guess to that because my husband's brother was killed his father 878 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:50,240 died when he was young and she would always say that was a hard question when people would say you 879 01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:54,720 know how many kids do you have and she didn't know how to answer it because you know her her 880 01:32:54,720 --> 01:33:05,120 youngest son is is 40 and her oldest son is 23 and it was really hard to answer so what do you do 881 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:12,320 I have I have I have four kids and and one and one is not here because he was murdered in the 882 01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:19,120 Barcline school shooting so Alex will always be my little boy and and I love him more more than 883 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:25,920 like it's now and we're gonna honor him too we're gonna put his pictures up on our site and I've 884 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,840 got some wonderful ones of him playing in the band you know my oldest daughter is in the band 885 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,160 and there's a picture of him in the band room and you could kind of see the lockers behind him 886 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:42,240 and I have almost the exact same shot of my daughter holding her instrument it's bizarre like it's 887 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:48,080 bizarre and so they're the same age too and so just he's just touched my heart and you have as well 888 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:55,520 and just you're you're so wonderful as a father you're everything that Alex could ever hope for 889 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,520 on earth while he waits for you in heaven because you're doing him such a service 890 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,320 you're you're doing wonderful so let's let's talk about um his point can I read that for you real quick 891 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:12,160 is or for the listeners real quick so y'all y'all had found crumpled up in a trash can um that he had 892 01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:18,320 written a poem and it was for his English class and it's so and he was murdered and he was murdered 893 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:23,440 in English class and he was murdered in that English class which there's some kind of beautiful 894 01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,880 tragedy to that but it was called life is like a roller coaster life is like a roller coaster it has 895 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,720 some ups and downs sometimes you can take it slower very fast it may be hard to breathe at times 896 01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:40,480 but you have to push yourself and keep going your bar is your safety it's like your family and friends 897 01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:45,600 you hold on tight and you don't let go but sometimes you might throw your hands up because your friends 898 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,200 and family will always be with you just like that bar keeping you safe at all times it may be too 899 01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:57,200 much for you at times the twists the turns the ups the downs but you get back up you keep chugging 900 01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:03,040 along eventually it comes to a stop you won't know when or how but you will know that'll be time to 901 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:12,720 get off and start a new life is like a roller coaster what a old soul what a what a you know 902 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:21,040 what an amazing thing to leave you know for you yeah i we had no idea no it would completely blown 903 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:30,480 away when we found that he never talked to me about about the poem I just found it and um you know he 904 01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:36,960 loved roller coasters obviously he didn't know what was gonna happen to his life but it's a great 905 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:44,080 the beautiful poem that that is that is as legacy yes and i'm also i saw the video where someone was 906 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:50,320 singing it as a song yeah yeah and i'm gonna put that link as well so my listeners can go 907 01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:56,800 listen to that it's just wonderful but yeah it's beautiful the one day what they did so let's talk 908 01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:04,560 about safe schools for Alex um what are your ultimate what are your ultimate goals with with your 909 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:13,040 your mission here uh the the charity that that my wife and i started is to keep Alex's memory alive 910 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:20,240 and to do everything we can to combat the the complacency that is around the country 911 01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:29,440 in people's minds that it's not gonna happen here so we we deliver you know best practices lessons 912 01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:38,720 learned to law enforcement to you know education uh you know school teachers and parents and so 913 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:45,840 we created after the shooting one of my main our main initiatives is our school safety dashboard 914 01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:53,440 and so after the shooting i am on the mfd commission which is the parkland shooting commission we were 915 01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:59,040 asked with investigating the tragedy and coming up with recommendations to make school safer 916 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:05,840 throughout florida and i think that in florida schools are 180 degrees safer than where they were 917 01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:12,800 prior to the tragedy we're doing things here that no other state is doing and investing over 200 918 01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:19,360 million dollars over the last five years in in school safety efforts and you know some states that 919 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:25,520 you know did things in response to parkland and and then basically never did anything after that we 920 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:33,520 we are not in that category we are continuing to push ahead and have our foot on the pedal um and 921 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:39,920 we've got another school safety bill here to make uh school safer because you're never it's never done 922 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:46,480 you're never complete it's never over you've got to constantly be evolving and and adapting 923 01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:55,680 and and making school safer so during the mfd commission meeting i found out that every school 924 01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:03,840 in florida is required to report incidents of uh violence and drugs to the state department of 925 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:11,760 education uh there's 26 different incident categories things like bullying uh violence fighting 926 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,400 assault weapons the number of weapons incidents that that when a kid brings a weapon to school that 927 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:23,360 cool safety incident is required to be reported to the state and so when i found out that the 928 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:29,280 statics that i have you know three other kids in school and i want to make sure that nothing happened 929 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:34,240 to them so when i went to go look at this data it was just a massive excel spreadsheet it was like 930 01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:40,080 millions of cells of data i'm like what am i gonna do with this and so uh there's no way to understand it 931 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:47,520 and so we basically took that publicly available data and then incorporated it into a user friendly 932 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:53,600 dashboard so for the first time parents are now able to go online and see exactly what's happening 933 01:38:53,600 --> 01:39:01,440 inside your school after you drop your son or daughter off i had no idea and Alex was going to school 934 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:07,840 with a very violent violent individual and that dashboard is on the website yeah it's on state 935 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:15,840 schools for Alex dot org and it's it's free and so we we've created the dashboard we've imported 936 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:23,040 the school safety data from five states and our goal is to do that around the country every parent 937 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:28,720 should know what's happening in their child classroom after they drop their kid off at school 938 01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:36,240 and every parent should use this information to advocate uh to make their child school safer but 939 01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,440 they need information first you know i never got a call from the principal of margarita 940 01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:47,680 man Douglas saying hey great new parents we reduced our bullying numbers by by 10% this year or 941 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:54,800 the the numbers of violent incidents and fighting in assault on drop by by 15% i never got that call 942 01:39:54,800 --> 01:40:00,480 because that called doesn't exist nobody's ever no parents ever gotten that call but parents should 943 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:03,920 you should be able to go online and see exactly what's happening inside of school every parent has 944 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:11,760 a right to know and the website really takes the blindfold off of off of parents so they can see 945 01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:17,360 what's happening in their kid school and they can become involved and and advocate for safer school 946 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,560 and hey from a from a teachers standpoint i would love for people to know what we deal with 947 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:27,440 that would be wonderful maybe you appreciate us more for what we're dealing with but 948 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:33,520 yeah right something too that i'm really was uh inspired by and i'm gonna hope that i can get more 949 01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:38,880 information from you on this um is the safe schools for Alex student chapter where y'all are 950 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:47,280 wanting to you know encourage i guess club a club to be made um yeah you know to to make us say a 951 01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,320 school save it can't just be from the top down you know the principal can't just do it by himself 952 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:59,280 obviously leadership is important and and at margarita man Douglas you had no leadership 953 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:07,600 the former principal ty Thompson uh was was a horrible leader when we interviewed him and uh he said 954 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:12,400 that yeah he he he didn't really know if there were any threats to shoot up the school he said that 955 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:18,320 wasn't really his job um when we asked him how many threats there were he really didn't know he 956 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:25,760 was disinterested and uninvolved with the reticent process so obviously having leadership at your 957 01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:33,200 school is important but the other piece to to that equation that you reference is involving the kids 958 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:40,800 and the student uh they know where the vulnerabilities are on campus they do you know they know the kids 959 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:47,920 that are thinking about hurting themselves are maybe hurting someone else and so i told my students 960 01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,440 too we had a we were just talking in class one day about school safety and school shooters because 961 01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:56,640 i do not want to dispatch as well and i said don't say any names i said but by a rate just raise your 962 01:41:56,640 --> 01:42:01,760 hands how many of you right now if i said there was a school shooter here how many of you think you 963 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:08,160 could tell me who it would be and do you know about 75% of the hands went up wow and i said 964 01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:17,360 look around you and understand that your safety is in your hands if you will not speak up about it 965 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:22,880 that will not stop it i said and i don't care if they're your friend i don't care if that's your cousin's 966 01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:28,560 brother excuse me your cousin's best friend or your brothers baseball team member i said they don't 967 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:34,000 care where the bullets end up once they start shooting that does not give you some kind of 968 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:40,320 free pass they're gonna get the mass amount of kills in the most short amount of time speak 969 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:48,960 do you have do you have a um an anonymous tip reporting to the junior school we do we have an app 970 01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:54,080 but i think that when i ask the students i pull them and again i don't represent anyone or anything 971 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:59,120 right now i'm just talking in generalities i don't represent a school or anything like that um but 972 01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:03,280 when i pulled my students and was kind of like well why won't y'all speak up on the app 973 01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:08,640 they are so afraid of their name even though it's anonymous they are so afraid of it somehow 974 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,720 coming back to them and then being labeled a snitch and then being pushed as an outsider 975 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:19,600 that they they just don't do it and i said well you need to look you need to open your eyes 976 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,440 and you need to go do some research then and see if someone would have said something well in your case 977 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:32,000 everyone said something but yeah um you know if students voiced that they were afraid 978 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:37,360 that might get someone's attention other than an adult saying hmm there's something wrong here 979 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:44,240 i think with this child if you were physically afraid that wouldn't motivate you 980 01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:51,920 to do something to say something yeah yeah and so that's and so that's why it's important to have a 981 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:58,480 school safety club and so that's why we started our our state schools for Alex club and um you know 982 01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:07,040 we've got we've got uh and it's important so and in this club you know the one of the first things that 983 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:14,400 you know the kids would do is they would do a a survey of the kids uh anonymously to see 984 01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:21,280 do the kids on the campus feel safe are their vulnerabilities what would they like to as the 985 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:28,960 improved in the safety uh of that school and so that's real important and and and and based on 986 01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:36,720 the results of that that survey it really puts them in it gives direction and action and um and 987 01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,280 so and it's those two pieces you know is that the students working with administration to make 988 01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:48,400 school safer is the key to having a good a positive culture and climate on campus because if it's 989 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:56,240 and if it's not um then you've got kids and and teachers uh with the attitude that oh well if I 990 01:44:56,240 --> 01:45:01,600 even say anything that nothing's gonna happen anyway and you got that negative culture and climate 991 01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:06,160 and that's when you have um our to restome and Douglas where you just sweep and everything 992 01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:12,000 under the rug and and not prioritizing safety and security well i'll tell you this i'm making it a 993 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:19,200 personal um you know a personal goal of mine that i that i'm gonna do more with you um in my local 994 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:24,080 community and i know we um maybe talked about that i'm not gonna release me that right now but 995 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:30,320 i have full intentions of taking all that you have learned and mastered and sharing the knowledge the 996 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:36,320 knowledge is the the wealth it's the power of getting the information out there and um i wanted to 997 01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,960 kind of close with this i know that you have the aliexshactor scholarship fund i saw that online 998 01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:47,120 with the trombone on it um yeah can you what is can you do a little bit tell me a little bit about that um 999 01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:54,400 yeah yeah so so during covid um my wife came up with this idea because our daughter is in the 1000 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:59,760 band you know she wanted to follow when her brother's footsteps and uh you know is this the daughter that 1001 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,040 scratched his back just to hang out with him yeah yeah i told you i listened to every word 1002 01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:13,280 yeah she was cute she always liked to do Alex's hair uh she was Alex his little sister and she 1003 01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:20,160 loved Alex and so you know during covid you know the band you know being in the band is so wonderful 1004 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:26,320 for kids and for Alex that he really made his best friends you taught him you know what a work what a 1005 01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:34,480 good work ethic is and and um he got you got you got good grades it built up his self-esteem in the band 1006 01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:41,200 and so i think music in being in the band is really important for uh to build to build children's 1007 01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:47,840 character and so what we found out was that you know during covid all these kids weren't having band 1008 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,600 and and we were afraid that they were going to put their instrument down they were pick it off again 1009 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:59,760 and so she came up with the idea to uh offer free private online music lessons and so that's where 1010 01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:07,280 the uh let the music play on initiative came and so and so we we we love that and uh you know 1011 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:14,400 the more and so we started it in entitled one schools in in schools where there are very economically 1012 01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:20,240 disadvantaged kids where the kids are on you know most of them are on free and reduced lunch and so 1013 01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:26,800 those kids need all the help they can get and so um it's been been wonderful watching watching those kids 1014 01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:32,960 you know become better musician well i'm a proud band mom so i'm right there with you so i think that 1015 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:38,480 that's wonderful and you're doing a great thing so um i wanted to tell you thank you so much for sharing 1016 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:46,640 um your most intimate and and painful moments with me and my listeners and for teaching us a little 1017 01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:52,960 bit along the way of some things some changes that need to be made well thank you for having me 1018 01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:57,840 it's been been wonderful getting to know you and and i look forward to doing more things with you 1019 01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:03,680 Kelly awesome well look thank you again and i just want to let all my listeners know that you know 1020 01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:09,840 mr. shakter here's a force to be reckoned with and i think that he is everything like i said before 1021 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:15,520 that that little Alex needed had and continues to have in this world and if there's anything i know 1022 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:25,760 an utterly fearless man is forever more dangerous than a coward with a gun 1023 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,340 (upbeat music) 1024 01:48:28,340 --> 01:48:30,920 (upbeat music) 1025 01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,660 (dramatic music)