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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
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with real victims, whose cases are
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combined with my years as a criminal
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of evil acts, some so evil
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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
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What is going on? We're back
for another episode of Unspeakable? Speaking

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of Unspeakable, do you know that
I completely and totally overdosed on smoke brisket

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yesterday And I'm not proud of myself
and there was a scene to be seen,

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but it was so good. It
was so good, So shout out

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to my husband for that. So
if you haven't had any smoke brisket,

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go get you some. It's it's
time that you eat some of it was

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so good. But recovered now,
I'm feeling better, my stomach's back in

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order, and I'm ready to give
you a good show before I do it

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though, Let's do some shout outs. And I got a bunch of people

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here, and look low, ki, I can I could screw up a

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two car funeral, and I'm aware
of that. And I got off task

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on my on my shout outs,
but I think I got them straight.

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So if I if I took a
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it's okay. I'm about to give
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your name today, that's all right. I'm gonna be i'm'a keep podcasting and

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i'ma keep calling out the names.
And then if I say your name twice,

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well you're just a lucky duckling,
okay, because I'm not sure if

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I'm gonna double say some names,
but you're just twice as special, I

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guess if I say it twice,
all right. But I'm gonna start in

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techar Kenna, Texas, and this
is gonna be miss Kim kirstein Hi Kim,

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all the way out in Texas.
Thank you so incredibly much for joining.

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I've got another one, and this
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with me everyone. Her name is
Joline, Joline, Joline Jolene. I

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can't sing, but I'm shouting out
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Buffalo, Minnesota. What is going
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man, but do please listening,
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be that would be legit all right. And then I've got Delissa, and

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I believe it's Brito. Delissa Brito
from Middleburg, Florida. I love my

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Florida people. What's going on,
girl? I've been talking to you,

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I think on Patreon a little bit
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you a shout out as well as
Miss Susan Edwards right here in my backyard

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in Denham Springs, Louisiana. Hi, Miss Susan, thank you so very

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very much. And then back out
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be exact, I've got Lisa Williamson. Hey, Miss Lisa, how is

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it going. I hear that y'all
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day that I'm recording this, so
I hope that you're doing well. And

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then these people I don't have locations
for, so I if I need to

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send out help to find you,
I will let me know. But there

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was no location. But I've got
mister Garrett Sutherland, Hi Garrett, and

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Miss Shana Bradley. Hi Shana.
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people that continue to support the show. You absolutely make the difference. And

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so if I didn't call you out
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I just didn't get to you yet. But I'm getting there. There's

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a lot of people I have to
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remind you that you need to go
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that's fine too. Thank you so
much, but I am gonna do

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this case. It was actually specially
requested by miss Tony McClung. And you

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know when people do special requests.
I always take them into consideration. I

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have a notebook and I write down
anytime you message me. When I say

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okay, I'm gonn look into that, I'm gonna write that down. I

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ain't lying to you. Look,
here's the notebook, right yeah, right,

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cheer if you're watching me podcast,
and I write them all down and

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I look into them. It's just
one one lady in limited time, and

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I'm trying to get to every suggestion
that you send my way. But this

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one really was important to me when
I looked at this. It does involve

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a young kid, and so I
wanted to tell this story and maybe it

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could be a lesson to some younger
listeners out there that might be listening to

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this. But do you remember being
twelve years old? If you were listening

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right now, do you remember being
twelve? I don't remember everything about being

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twelve, but I do remember how
new I was to the hormonal changes that

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were going on. The interest of
ooh, what is a boyfriend like?

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You know, what is a girlfriend
like, the possibility of a new relationship

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and that someone might actually be interested
right in me? And that's exactly what

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twelve year old justin Bloxham was going
through in March of twenty ten. So

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Justin, let's talk about him.
He was born on May twenty ninth,

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nineteen ninety seven, in Shreveport,
Louisiana. And for some reason, there's

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a lot of cases out of Shreveport. If you really start looking into that,

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My buddy, you know Jim My
producer, Jim and Woody Overton on

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real lifeful crime. They they covered
this case. Woody covered this a big

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case out of Shreveport. And I
don't know why, but you know,

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young people, man, y'all got
to keep y'all's head on the swivel.

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But mom her name was Amy,
and dad's name was Kevin, and y'all,

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they were so proud of their boy. They loved their Justine and he

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was the second of four sons that
were born to them. Now his mother's

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own words, Amy said, and
this is a direct quote, we fought

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hard for him because they had multiple
miscarriages before they were actually able to conceive

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Carrie and give birth to their little
Justin. And he grew up a happy

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kid. This is not some tragedy
of a bad childhood. This kid grew

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up happy. He was loved,
and he was involved in everything if it

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involved moving and having fun. He
was a seventh grader at North DeSoto Middle

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School. He enjoyed to skateboard.
He loved skateboarding, being outdoors, mud

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riding, and if he wasn't jumping
on his trampoline, he was throwing kicks

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and strikes whenever he was on the
mat at karate all right, this was

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a rough and tumble boy, exactly
what you expect when you think of a

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young a young guy coming into his
own. He was also a musician.

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He liked to play the drums,
which is my personal favorite. Whenever I

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go to a concert, I like
lots of different types of music. But

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I recently went to a Shineedown concert. If you like that, if you're

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my age, if you like them, And the frigate drummer man had dreads

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down to the back of his legs, and he had like beads in his

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hair, and when he would start
wailing on those drums, and that hair

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would start flying and the fire would
be all right, they had the pyrotechnics.

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It was so sick and justin I'll
put a video of that. Let

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me make a note re QUI.
I'm gonna put a video from that concert,

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so you can see exactly what I'm
talking about. But you know,

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Justin was a musician. He loved
playing the drums. But not only was

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he active, he was a smart
kid. He made the grades necessary to

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be on the honor roll and was
a good student. He was so good

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that he was even on the superintendent's
list at North Dasota Middle School. He

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was on the superintendent's list. His
science teachers were so proud of him,

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and I'm sure that they, you
know, were grinning and hugging him because

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he was a natural at science.
He won first place in his science fair,

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and he was part of his school's
four age club. He played on

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the Griffins football team, and when
he wasn't competing in sports, he was

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still applying himself. He would like
to sit down, he liked to sketch.

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And then something that was super wholesome
about him that I really liked was

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that he would go out and he
loved to help his papa with their cows,

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and he would go out and help, you know, take care of

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them or give them their inoculations or
whatever it is that they were doing.

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So you know, of everything that
I've mentioned so far about this kid,

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his parents were most proud of the
fact that Justin was a kind and caring

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soul, and I think that says
so much. Right, He's got all

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these accomplishments and he's so talented,
but he was kind and he was a

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good kid. Now his parents were
no longer a couple, so his mom,

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Amy was in a new relationship at
the time. She was engaged to

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be married to a man named Craig
Fletcher, and Justin's dad, whose name

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was Kevin, was also remarried and
he had a wife named Christine. So

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Justin never lacked for family, and
he certainly never lacked for someone to hang

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out with because there were a total
of four brothers who loved him. Okay

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between his hers and ours, so
a houseful of boys, to say the

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least. His brothers, Travis,
Tyler, Colin Dalton, and Justin.

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I think those are just the perfect
set of names for the pictures when we

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know what I'm gonna put pictures up
and share these people, it's just perfect.

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They are what you hope to see
in photos, you know, at

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the beach where everybody's and they don't
have this photo, but if you know,

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you imagine the mom with her husband
and then all of her boys and

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they're wearing you know, white shirts
and khakis on the beach, like that's

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the kind of people these people are. So twelve year old Justin had plans

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on the evening of March twenty ninth, twenty ten, because it was spring

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break, and that's whenever the kids
are at that point of the school year

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where they're over it. So are
the teachers, like Loki, I'm out

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there, you know, jugga margaritas. But we're on spring break. We're

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wanting to let loose. You have
a whole to just chill out, be

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with your friends, do what you
want to do, relax before finals come

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up. And so he was going
to spend the night with his friend named

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Dustin Rose Grant and Dustin lived in
Stonewall, Louisiana. So Stonewall is located

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in De Soto Parish and it's about
six miles south of Shreveport if you're looking

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at it on a map. So
a pretty cool fact too. By the

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way, the highway that runs through
there was built partially by convict labor.

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So they were making them people work. Nothing worse than these these people convicted

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of crimes just sitting on their ass
doing nothing. You know what I mean,

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Like to me, you took away
from society and you should pay it

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back. Go build a highway,
Go pick up some trash, fold some

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clothes, help us out, right. But he was going over to his

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buddy Dustin's house, and he had
packed his bags and inside his bag he

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had put his blue jean shorts,
a T shirt, his underwear, a

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belt. And then, most proud
as a mother, most proud of this

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kid is that he even remembered to
pack his own toothbrush. Way to go.

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Justin big moves right for a twelve
year old boy. And he headed

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out for a night of fun with
his friends. So while he was hanging

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out with his buddies at justin at
the house, Justin was on his phone

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and he was texting with a girl
that he had met on social media.

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And that's going to be the first
red flag of this story. Social media.

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Oh my god, if we are
not active in our kids' lives and

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looking and seeing what they're doing on
social media. But he was texting this

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girl that he had just met on
social media, and look, he was

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interested. Okay, he's young.
It was fun. I remember the first

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time I was on the Internet,
and that's when we had dial up,

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which makes me feel old, right, And we would go into the chat

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rooms and you'd have to say if
you were you know, white female,

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how tall you were, whatever?
Okay, Well, now we have social

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media with pictures and way more.
You could FaceTime if you wanted to a

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complete stranger. Well, he was
interested in this girl and she was fourteen

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years old, so she was two
years older than him, but she was

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certainly showing interest in twelve year old
Justin. So Amanda was liking this boy,

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right, score. He was super
excited about that. And Justin was

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a cute young fella. He had
light, auburn brown hair. It was

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cut into an average boy's, you
know cut. He had his bangs just

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a little bit longer. Something that
kind of stuck out to me is And

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if you don't listen to country music, you probably don't know what I'm talking

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about. But y'all remember back in
the Gap, there was a young boy.

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His name was Billy Gilman, and
he kind of got big. He

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sang a few songs that went big, and he was a little country singer

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like in the nineties. For some
reason, Justin looks like Billy Gilman to

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me and everything down to the little
braces on his teeth. Okay, he

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had a thin frame, he still
had braces on his teeth. He was

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at that awkward age with girls.
But hey, you know, they seem

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to like him, and he was
going to shoot his shot, right,

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He's going to talk to this girl. So Justin and Amanda texted for a

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while, and the text star to
turn a little more devious. Okay.

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When I say devious, I don't
mean criminal. Okay, I just mean

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young teen tween whatever. Uh.
And they're kind of saying things that they

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probably wouldn't say in front of their
parents. They would be embarrassed if other

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people knew. But they, you
know, were talking a little sexy talk.

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So she started saying, look,
you should sneak out of the house

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and we should meet up. And
this wasn't just to say hello, all

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right. She was a frisky little
thing. This Amanda was frisky, and

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she seemed to be hinting that if
he did sneak out that there would be

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something sexual happening between the two of
them. Now, this is where podcasting

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for me personally is hard, because
I want to tell the truth and I

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want to tell the story and how
how it came to be. What's difficult

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is that you never want to embarrass
a young person on a podcast. So

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I want to be very clear on
that that I'm not sharing this information to

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shame, and i am not sharing
this information to embarrass. I'm sharing it

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because I want you to understand the
full gamut of the story and how it

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laid out. Okay, so getting
from point A to point B became an

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issue in their conversation because you know, they were considering it, but neither

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one of them were old enough to
drive. They couldn't get anywhere, and

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he knew that this probably was just
talk, you know, but hey,

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he was old enough to play along, so what could go wrong. Let's

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just have the chat, Let's just
keep talking, and you know, see

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what happens. I mean, she
was fourteen, what is she going to

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do? Well, Hey, shout
out to all the twelve year old boys

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out there, because fourteen year old
girls can beat you up. Okay,

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y'all haven't yet caught up. So
what's she gonna do? Right? But

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I mean, she was so sweet
and she seemed different from the other girls

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who didn't really show him much attention
Like this, and it was too far

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for either of them to walk to
really make this happen, but they were

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going to keep having the conversation.
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they could make it to see each
other. They would just have to be

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creative, and so she's like,
look, Justin, if you give me

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your address of where you are,
I've got some money, so I will

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pay for a taxi to come get
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It would be fun. So realizing
this was actually happening, Justin got

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some butterflies in his stomach and he
was really nervous, but he was ready

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to man up and he was going
to go see her for real, but

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not really okay. He was really
hesitant about it. Like one part of

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him is saying, you know,
hell yeah, but his brain is telling

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him, I don't know if this
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it's kind of interesting, it's really
fun. So he was super hesitant,

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super hesitant in these messages back and
forth, but then he was resistant almost

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but then eventually he caved. And
during that period before he came, she

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exchanged over two dozen photos with him, and that's when he was like,

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Okay, I'll meet with you.
But there were stipulations. Okay, he

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said, I can only be gone
for like thirty minutes and then I have

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to be back. And you know, that spoke to me because it shows

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the innocence almost of this boy,
because maybe you can't get anywhere, do

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anything and get back in thirty minutes, you know what I mean, like

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that, that's not gonna happen.
But it just shows kind of the innocence

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of the concept or the idea that
he could maybe could do this. So

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about that time that they're having this
conversation, his friend Dustin, got really

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tired and he handed him the remote
to the TV. They were sitting there

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watching TV while he was texting,
Dustin hands Justin the remote and says,

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hey, I'm going to bed,
rolls over goes to sleep. So it

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was just after three o'clock in the
morning on March the thirtieth, when,

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just as she said, a taxi
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And so Justin's like, whoa,
this chick really has some game.

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You know, she must really be
into me. And this was edgy for

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Justin. Amanda had sent, like
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him, and while I'm sure his
hormones at that age were raging it.

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It was basically fighting his common sense. And I think we all understand this

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as adults, you know, common
sense goes out the window when those hormones

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start raging. And twelve is a
confusing age for a boy, right They've

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started to look and act like an
adult, but they don't have the same

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life experience and decision making skills that
an adult would. So interesting to me

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is that sometimes you have to give
kids this age a little bit of a

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reminder that there's still a twelve year
old kid, you know. And that's

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why the text between Justin and Amanda
are so telling, because she tells him

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at one point the taxi driver went
to the end of the street to go

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get you. I'm sitting here watching
porn. And his response to all of

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this, and this is an actual
quote from the text exchanges his actual response

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to her saying I'm watching porn tells
me everything that I needed to know about

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Justin. When he said, and
this is a direct quote, you gotta

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remember, I'm only twelve. It's
almost like he was young but smart enough

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to know that this is kind of
out of my scope of knowledge. I

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mean, I don't. I'm only
twelve, you know, I don't know

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what that means or what he knows
what porn is, obviously, but you

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know, I don't know what that's
supposed to mean for me. He's probably

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getting a little scared, honestly,
what, oh my god, what does

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she expect me to do? But
when he saw the car pull up,

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just like she said, he quietly
exited his buddies home and he walked to

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the vehicle cautiously. I'm sure he
checked to make sure it was a real

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taxi and it was, y'all.
It was a Green Action Taxi cab I

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d M twenty eight. There were
four doors and markings in yellow all around

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the vehicle. This was this was
a cab. So Justin got inside the

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cab and headed toward her home so
Bloxham. Justin Bloxham replies to her,

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but are you sure you can get
me back in thirty minutes? The taxi

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drives off. About thirteen minutes into
that drive, the cab slowed and stopped

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because it had died on the side
of the road. Great, So Justin

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texted Amanda at three thirteen am,
saying the cab died hours go by.

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Later that morning, Justin's friend awoke
and realized that Justin wasn't there. So

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when he had handed Justin the remote, he was on the bottom bunk of

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the bed, but he wasn't there
anymore. So Dustin got up looking for

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Justin and he says, Okay,
is not here. Maybe his mom just

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came and got him and he forgot
his bag. His bag is here,

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so his mom must have picked him
up. So they give her a call

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and said, hey, Justin left
his bag here, and she said,

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wait a minute, I never came
and got Justin. That's when things kind

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of took a turn. So his
buddy becomes beyond worried. After they searched

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for him, and they realize,
oh my god, Justin seriously is not

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here anywhere in this house. He
wasn't answering his phone, and so that

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worry turned into immense stress, and
so they immediately called the police. So

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Justin was reported as missing and the
sheriff's deputies arrived very shortly thereafter. So,

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after questioning turned up nothing much,
the police expanded their questioning and they

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started talking to the neighbors on the
street. Now, remember Justin left at

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three am. You know, it's
very quiet at three am in this area,

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but luck would have it that the
neighbors. One of the neighbors was

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awake when this happened. When Justin
walked out and he saw him go to

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that Action Taxi cab. He saw
it creeping through the neighborhood early that morning,

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and so the police went and checked
with the Action Taxi company and they

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found that no taxi had been dispatched
to that area that morning. Hmm.

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That's curious based on what we know
so far. So police began manning their

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mounting, their action plan and spreading
the word for all the officers, Hey,

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be on the lookout for this green
Action Taxi cab. There should be

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a or maybe I don't know if
he's still there, but there should be

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a young teen occupant, male white
inside. But it turned out that a

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deputy's name is Deputy Arbuckle. He
was on shift early early that morning and

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he saw that exact taxi or what
looked like that exact taxi on the side

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of the road around six thirty am. Not only had he seen that green

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Taxi cab, but he had stopped
and he asked that taxi, hey,

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do you need help? Because it
was parked on the side of the road

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on US Highway one P seventy one, and the vehicle turned out not to

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be parked there, but it had
actually broken down because it ran out of

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gas. So the driver of the
taxi was fine, was by himself,

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and you know, our buckle at
the time, it was six thirty in

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the morning, our buckle didn't have
anything, you know, negative to think

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about that. He said, okay, well, you know what's going on.

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You know, while are you out
of gas? Where are you going?

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And he says, look, I'm
just waiting for someone from the taxi

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company to come. After I ran
out of gas, I got out of

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the car. I was walking around
trying to figure out what was the issue,

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and that's when I dropped the key. So now I can't find the

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freaking key. So the company's coming
to bring me a spare key and to

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bring me some gas, so you
know, you don't have to worry.

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And nothing seemed that worrisome. And
this was found to be true, and

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in fact, other passers by also
confirmed that they had seen the taxi on

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the side of the road that morning
as well, so when they stopped to

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offer help to him, because a
couple of people did very friendly right.

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The driver told him all the same
thing. I'm out of gas, I

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lost my keys. It wasn't like
the story was inconsistent or anything. So

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one motorist though, came forward and
said, yeah, I saw a guy

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walking from the woods to the cab. And so it's kind of like,

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what are the chances of all of
these occurrences being related in some way?

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Well, not to be crass or
anything, but men p and so it's

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not so crazy to think he would
walk from the woods, maybe I'd use

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the restroom while he was waiting.
He walked in the woods speed and walked

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back. I mean, that wasn't
necessarily the most alarming thing that had ever

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happened, but to police it kind
of seemed probable. I mean, I

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don't believe in coincidences, not now. I always believe that there's a link

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between things, and I don't believe
in coincidences. But I mean, a

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green vehicle with yellow riding is pretty
specific thing to see at three am and

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six am in the Samish area,
and to think that Justin may have possibly

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gotten into this cab. So investigators
also agree that it was just super suspicious

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and on a gut feeling, just
on a gut feeling. And I want

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to take a second to explain a
gut feeling. You know, in law

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enforcement, gut feelings aren't enough.
And it's it's kind of sad because once

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you've done law enforcement long enough,
plenty of older officers will tell you the

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gut feelings are a very powerful tool
for a law enforcement officer of experience.

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And so the gut feeling is all
that they went on when police said,

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you know what, let's go out
and search the woods. They had no

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reason to go out and search the
woods. There was just a car parked

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on the side of the road that
had broken down. But the police are

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like, nope, I don't believe
in coincidences. Let's go search the woods.

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Let's just see if there's anything out
there that might lead us to justin.

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And so police descended upon Highway one
seventy one in the area of where

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the taxi had been stopped. Now, in a court of law, a

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gu gut feeling is not enough to
establish any type of probable cause or anything

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like that. You can't just go, you know, running up in someone's

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house and say, well, my
gut told me they're bad people. It

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doesn't work like that. But in
an investigation, gut instinct or guttural feelings,

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they're good. You should always follow
your gut. And I'm not just

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talking about investigators and talking about people
in general. What do they always say

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when something bad happens or they find
out that someone's a total creep? They

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go, you know, looking back
on it, I almost felt that way,

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but I blocked it out. I
didn't. I didn't want that to

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be true, and so I kind
of went against my gut instinct. Always

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follow your gut, always right.
So the police went out and they went

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and they searched that area and they
scanned to say, okay, is there

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anything that's out of place? And
nothing notable was seen from the road.

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I mean, there was nothing there. But they went back in the woods

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and there was nothing in the woods. That was until an officer found a

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muddy footprint set and following those muddy
footprints, it led off the road and

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through a fence. Now this is
off of a highway. This isn't like

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someone's cattle property or something like that. So they followed in the direction of

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the footprints, and that's when they
came upon a shallow pool of water just

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about forty yards back from the highway
into the woods, and unbelievably, based

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just on a gut instinct, they
came upon the lifeless body of twelve year

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old Justin Bloxam. It was very
obvious to Justin had been in a struggle

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for his life, but he had
clearly lost the battle. At first though

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just at first glance, looking at
him, police believed that he had been

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strangled. Now, what had happened
between Justin heading to meet fourteen year old

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Amanda and where that taxi had broken
down? Something serious happened. What was

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it? How could this young team, this lovable and good boy, have

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ended up strangled in the woods and
why? What could possibly have caused this?

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Well, the autopsy of his body
would tell a story of his final

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moments that really nobody was prepared for. The coroner his name was doctor James

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Traylor. He found that Justin had
been smothered to death, but not from

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above, not with like a pillow
or something like that. No, this

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was not even what you would,
I hate to say, traditionally think of

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when someone is asphyxiated. But this
was a little bit more scary, I

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guess than that Justin was smothered while
on his stomach and the perpetrator was on

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his back. And so you imagine
this twelve year old boy in the woods

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fighting for his life with a perpetrator
on his back, crushing him and suffocating

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the life out of him. There
were several areas of PATIKII, which is

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basically ruptured blood vessels right in the
eyes, on his face. They could

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see it on his forehead and for
this to happen, pressure would have had

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to have been applied to the point. This pressure had to have been applied

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so strongly that Justin's blood was literally
unable to drain to his heart. I'm

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talking about massive amounts of pressure on
this kid. Doctor Trailer also found what's

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called an abraided contusion on the inside
of Justin's mouth. An a braided contusion

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is basically like a bruise with a
cut inside of the bruise, and this

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looked like it was caused by a
ton of pressure also against Justin's mouth,

407
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.559
which caused him to compress his lips
very hard against his braces. So if

408
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.680
you flip your upper lip up where
your braces would be hitting and your bottom

409
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.920
lip where your braces would be hitting. That's exactactly where this contusion was that

410
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:07.759
was mashed inside of his mouth.
And according to doctor Trailer, whoever did

411
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.359
this had to obstruct Justin's mouth and
apply pressure over a minute and a half

412
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:19.359
to kill him. Think about the
pressure a minute and a half of someone

413
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:25.880
just crushing you and mashing your mouth
so hard. And there's no way that

414
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.599
this was an accident, No way. There were numerous abrasions on Justin's body

415
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.519
which were anti mortem wounds, which
means it happened before he died. This

416
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:41.079
was pain and suffering as this all
evidence of him fighting for his young life.

417
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.960
There were injuries to his neck,
his face, his hands, his

418
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.960
back, his shoulders, and his
torso and you can almost with me telling

419
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.599
you this, you can almost envision
him doing everything he could to get this

420
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.160
attacker off of him or away from
him, but it was to no avail.

421
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.839
He was isn't big enough to fight
back. He was just a kid.

422
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:08.920
He was no match for whoever did
this. So as words spread about

423
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:14.599
what happened to Justin, it became
painfully clear how loved this kid was,

424
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.359
you know what, damn it,
Even if he wasn't loved, even if

425
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.000
this was a shit kid who never
did anything right. He's still a kid,

426
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.440
but Justin was a good kid and
he did the right things. The

427
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.000
principle of his school, his name
was Keith Simmons. Keith Simmons even spoke

428
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.559
out and said he was the kind
of student that you wish you had a

429
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.880
school full of. You wish you
had a student body full of Justin Bloxham's.

430
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.680
He was very positive, he was
happy, go lucky. He was

431
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.640
smiling every day. And I'm telling
you for a principal to notice this,

432
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.559
that this means everything in a school
setting, because oftentimes the bad kids get

433
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.440
all the attention. Unfortunately, Justin
was such a light and a joy.

434
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.000
His own principle spoke up and said, oh my god, what a loss.

435
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.680
Homeroom teacher, her name was Sherry
Trogel, said he was a very

436
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.279
precious child, sweet kind and funny, he was smart, and he was

437
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.880
never a problem. And just coming
from a teacher's heart right here, I'm

438
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.279
telling you that's not just said.
That comes with intention that they did not

439
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:25.000
want to lose this child. So
investigators immediately they wanted to know who was

440
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.519
the taxi driver that was in that
green cab. And they were able to

441
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:36.359
identify him as thirty four year old
Brian Douglas Horn. How are they able

442
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.920
to quickly identify him, y'all all
because Deputy Arbuckle that had checked on him

443
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.480
on the side of the road that
morning had routinely radioed in his license info

444
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.400
for a basic warrant check. So
whenever we get license and registration, it's

445
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.279
not because you're always in trouble,
Okay, Sometimes we just need to identify

446
00:31:53.319 --> 00:32:00.440
who you are. Believe it or
not. Crime can often be pieced together

447
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.960
when we check on people, there's
warrants. I can't tell you you know

448
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.640
how many times, just in this
short period that I was working the streets

449
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.839
at night, you pull somebody over
for a traffic violation and they got warrants

450
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.680
out the ying yang. You know, I remember this one guy. Sorry

451
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:16.400
I'm getting off topic. We just
want to tell you this real quick.

452
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:22.240
We pulled up this one guy for
uh, I think he was just driving

453
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.039
erradically or something like that. And
he gets out and it was kind of

454
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.319
funny. He had a neck brace
on. He had a long ponytail,

455
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.000
skinny little thing look like a stick
bug with a neck breath and uh,

456
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.119
we pull him over and he comes
hobbling back and he's like, oh,

457
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:38.440
you know, I'm sorry, blah
blahlah blah. And so we're like,

458
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.799
you know, license and registration,
why you do my license? We're just

459
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.519
you know, just checking everything,
and we run it and the dude we

460
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.960
had to arrest him because he was
wanted for failure to pay child support.

461
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.920
And I look at him, going, whoday, hell is reproducing? What

462
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.359
is stick bug? You know he
got a broke net. Then you do

463
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.680
that having all these kids because he
had like twelve kids. Holy crap,

464
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:04.440
Batman. Okay, but my point
is that sometimes just checking people's licenses results

465
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:10.000
and putting people behind bars. Well, while trying to, you know,

466
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.759
just check on this guy that happened
to put a stamp, a time stamp

467
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.039
on not only the fact that he
was on the side of the road with

468
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:21.680
a taxi, but his name.
So that just routine thing right there that

469
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.279
seemed like a nothing circumstance turned out
to be very important. So while trying

470
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.519
to locate Brian to have a word
with him, investigators ran a criminal history

471
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.200
check, which would reveal some you
know, some more in depth history on

472
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.920
him. So to give you a
picture of him. Brian was five foot

473
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.519
eight all right, a rather unassuming
guy physically. He was married to a

474
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:50.559
woman named Amanda. Hmm, coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences, but

475
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.240
that was the name of his wife. And he had an average build,

476
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:58.359
more on the slim side. He
had long hair past his shoulders. He

477
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.079
kind of kept it in a ponytail. Both his ears were pierced, and

478
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.119
when I'm looking at him, he
kind of almost looks like that expected nineties

479
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.039
grunge rocker dude, you know,
if you're trying to get a mental picture

480
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.199
here. And so cool in fact
that he rocked a heart shaped tattoo on

481
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.159
his right leg with the name Anne
in it, you know. But other

482
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.679
than that, he didn't come across
as a thug or anything like that.

483
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:23.239
But his background was a bit sketchy
because he was seen as a loner and

484
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:28.760
a misfit by a lot of people
that knew him, and he had reportedly

485
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.840
himself been a victim in a sexual
assault case when he was twelve years old,

486
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.480
the same age as Justin. He
was also turned over by the state,

487
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.760
or turned over to the state by
his parents when he was a child,

488
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.280
and eventually just emancipated from their care. He had spent some time in

489
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.239
juvenile detention because he had gotten in
trouble. Nothing though, that seemed crazy

490
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.960
for the age of the kid.
Now, I mean, it wouldn't have

491
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:58.519
been acceptable in my household. But
you know, he made some bad choices,

492
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.480
numerous curfew violate sneaking out all the
time, he went joy riding in

493
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.480
his mom's car one time. So
he did have reports from his juvenile days,

494
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.719
but nothing that would alert them to
being, you know, a killer.

495
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.840
None of it was in any major
consequence in this case, of course.

496
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:22.079
But you may be interested in something
that investigators found in his adult record.

497
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:29.760
And in that adult record they found
he was a multiple, multiple time

498
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:42.000
convicted sex offender. But Justin had
not been raped. So kind of give

499
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.239
you a little bit about that.
You know, it did bring to light

500
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:51.960
though, that this may have been
a sexually motivated crime. So what exactly

501
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.440
were those previous convictions? I looked
them up because I wanted you to know.

502
00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:00.920
He had at least fourteen prior arrests
on his record. All right,

503
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.519
so this isn't He's not, you
know, Church on Sunday type of guy.

504
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.119
He spent three years in prison after
pleading no contest to contributing to the

505
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.960
delinquency of a juvenile in nineteen ninety
five. Now, states differ in their

506
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.719
laws. In the understanding of the
laws, you know, they ebb and

507
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.920
flow, and they fluctuate throughout time. But contributing to the delinquency of a

508
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.079
juvenile doesn't just mean buying them underage. You know, alcohol, all right?

509
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.800
He was a registered sex offender in
two states. He was a sex

510
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:40.280
offender in Missouri as well as a
sex offender in Louisiana, and there were

511
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:47.280
two sex related offenses. A charge
of indecent behavior Okay, that stemmed from

512
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:54.000
a Shreveport arrest when he was nineteen
years old nineteen and was messing around in

513
00:36:54.039 --> 00:37:00.440
a vehicle with a thirteen year old
girl. I don't want to just gloss

514
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.679
over that either, real quick.
Nineteen and thirteen where I come from,

515
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.079
that's an ass whooping from a daddy, okay. Nineteen and thirty thirteen,

516
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:21.920
completely unacceptable. Reports say that Horn
was accused of taking at least two young

517
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:27.679
girls in separate incidences in his car, where he allegedly fondled them and raped

518
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.800
one of them. Okay, So
this isn't just circumstances that looked batteries in

519
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.559
the back seat, making out with
a thirteen year old. No, no,

520
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:43.000
this is absolutely intentional sexual problems with
young children. Children. Another charge

521
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.639
of his indecent behavior was in nineteen
ninety seven for the sexual assault of a

522
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.400
fourteen year old girl, where he
served a year and five months for this.

523
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:58.559
He was also labeled as what's called
an Article five seventy five fugitive from

524
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.519
Green County, Missouri. Now I
don't know why, but I feel like,

525
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.159
because I don't know all the Missouri's
laws obviously, but I felt like

526
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.280
this was kind of a failure to
register situation where sex offenders have to go

527
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.920
in and check in, have their
photo taken, you know, verify that

528
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.239
they're living where they' supposed to be
living and that there's no children in the

529
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.079
house or something like that. So
I looked it up, and this is

530
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.719
called violating a condition of lifetime supervision. It was a five seventy five point

531
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.519
two oh six point one to be
specific, and it talks about a person

532
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:35.400
who commits the crime of violating a
supervision, you know, condition that has

533
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.119
been imposed by court order. Basically, so there was some type of supervision

534
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:45.119
on him that he had not followed
through with Regardless of whatever it is,

535
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.239
this was a bad dude, and
it was specifically a bad dude to have

536
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.159
alone in a cab with a child. The fact that he was even walking

537
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.360
freely amongst us is the frustration that
I really can't shake, Like, really,

538
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.920
really, how many chances do you
get to offend young children before we

539
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.280
the people go, We're not doing
this, Padna, We're not doing this.

540
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.559
I mean, are we really?
Are we really gonna continue to plea

541
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.280
down everything just for a conviction rate. And I want people who don't understand

542
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:29.159
this to hear me on this.
Okay, Prosecutors are presumptively elected based on

543
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.480
the fact that they have a high
conviction rate, right. We want effective

544
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.000
prosecutors, people who are gonna put
the bad guys behind jail. That's why

545
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.760
we elect these people. But I'm
kind of here standing on this hill by

546
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.079
myself where I'm like, how about
we put these people away for the max

547
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.119
penalty? How about we do a
lot of that. How about we stop

548
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.800
having these useless convictions when they result
in minimum penalties. If we're gonna plea

549
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:59.639
everything down to quit fucking charging them, which is not what we need.

550
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.880
No, that's not what we need. We need high conviction rates because you

551
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.039
need to be really good at your
job. And I'm really glad that a

552
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:13.840
plea deal works out for you.
But to put it in context, teachers,

553
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.760
okay, we're judged on how many
students graduate and how many pass our

554
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.079
class. Well, what if instead
of me just teaching them? What if

555
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:24.920
instead of me just teaching them,
I went to them and I said,

556
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.360
look, we know you're not really
gonna do the work. We know that

557
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:30.639
you're gonna get caught for this.
You know it, I know it,

558
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.639
everybody knows that. What if we
just make an agreement, I'll give you

559
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.719
the D and you don't even bother
coming to class, and then I'll get

560
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:45.880
the points for you passing. Yay, successful teacher. That would be ridiculous.

561
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.320
No one would ever buy that.
Okay, And I'm not dogging on

562
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.559
prosecutors. Understand I'm a total total
fan of prosecutors. But what I'm saying

563
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.320
is we the people who make the
decisions, are supposed to make the decison.

564
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.280
Let's not just look at conviction rates. Let's look at penalties. What

565
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.159
are they impressing upon these people Because
there's no reason that this guy should have

566
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.760
been walking the streets after having offended
multiple children and a convicted sex offender.

567
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:21.159
No way, not on my watch. His own brother, his name's Kevin

568
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.960
Horn, got wind of the fact
that his brother was a person of interest

569
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.719
in Justin's murder. His own brother
found out and was like, hmm,

570
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.119
maybe I need to help out here. Police had begun a three pair search

571
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.320
for Brian, and Brian had been
busy cleaning out the taxi before he was

572
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.000
set to return it because he leased
it. But realizing the seriousness of the

573
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.280
situation and likely I don't know this
for a fact, but likely knowing what

574
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:53.760
his brother was capable of to this
point, Kevin went with his brother to

575
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.519
Action Taxi to turn it back into
the company. And then, like I

576
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.000
said, Brian had only leased it
from the company, he didn't own it,

577
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.440
so I mean he had to turn
it back in. But then Kevin

578
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.360
drove Brian to the police station for
him to speak with police. This this

579
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:16.119
brother, Kevin seems like a solid
guy, you know that realizes good bad

580
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:22.360
are indifferent. We need to go
talk to the police. So after he

581
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.480
drove him there, you're gonna see
in the reports if you go and do

582
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.000
any research on your own. Reportedly
he turned himself in, but don't get

583
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.880
it twisted. Brian wasn't quickly helpful
to the police, nor was he cooperative

584
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.760
with the police when he got there. That's just some pretty writing putting some

585
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.800
flowers on. He turned himself in. No, his brother got him up

586
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.840
there, and he wasn't cooperative and
he wasn't helpful. So back at the

587
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.639
crime scene, with the help of
a metal detector, the keys to the

588
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:53.119
taxi were found in the area near
the struggle of Justin's body, so it

589
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.760
looks like they weren't lost. It
looks like they may have been dropped during

590
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.719
the fight of Justin's life. They
were in a grassy area the highway and

591
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:09.519
Brian Horn's cell phone charger was also
found there. Now, there were also

592
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.719
boot impressions in the mud, like
I told you, at the scene of

593
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:20.000
where the body was. So Brian's
brother wanted the truth, and that's pretty

594
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.360
obvious. He drove his brother up
there. He wanted the truth. He

595
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.920
gave the police. His brother,
Kevin, gave the police a full consent

596
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:31.400
to search his vehicle, which ended
up being perfect because Brian's things were still

597
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.519
in his brother's car because he had
just rode with him from dropping off the

598
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.679
taxi, and police were able to
seize his cell phone, which included an

599
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:46.559
AT and T SIM card. Now, Justin's phone records showed that he had

600
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.840
been communicating with that young girl consistently
all night up until he stopped responding.

601
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:02.039
I don't know exactly how often the
to the girl and Justin had communicated,

602
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.440
Honestly, I'm not certain about that. I don't want to give you false

603
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.000
information. I'm not sure how long
they had known each other and spoken.

604
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.559
But what I do know is the
very last text message ever sent by Justin

605
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.079
was that text message on March thirtieth
at three thirteen am that said, quote

606
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.159
unquote, cab died After that,
no more communication with Justin. What was

607
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:31.800
shocking to investigators was that Brian Horn's
cell phone contained that message. So what

608
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:37.559
was going on here? How did
the taxi driver have the message from the

609
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.719
boy that was going to meet the
girl? Well, when they pulled phone

610
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:47.360
records, they were shocked to see
that he had all of the messages between

611
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.960
Justin and that young girl, Amanda. Why would this be? Why would

612
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.880
he have all of the mess and
that's when the light bulb went off.

613
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:07.079
It's because Brian Horn was the young
girl. There was no Amanda. There

614
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:14.599
was Brian Horn, a grown ass
man pretending to be a fourteen year old

615
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:24.280
girl the whole time. It turns
out that Brian Horn had been posing as

616
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.960
this young girl. The way he
did it was that at some point Brian

617
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.519
had taken an eleven year old girl's
cell phone. I believe it was a

618
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.960
neighbor of his, under the premise
that he was going to put ring tones

619
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:44.920
on her phone for her, and
in essence gained access to everything in the

620
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:52.599
phone. Brian had used the phone
to dupe and then ultimately trick Justin into

621
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:59.480
getting in the cab with a thirty
five year old grown man. It's sick,

622
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.400
think about it. He knows how
young boys think. Hell, he

623
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:12.519
was one himself. Brian Horn was
twelve once. He had previously stolen the

624
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.480
phone from a real child, from
a girl, a neighbor's daughter, to

625
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.840
use it. And there's no doubt
in my mind to use it to his

626
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:29.079
advantage. That the deviance and the
forethought to do this is astounding. And

627
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.000
please, please, when you're listening
to this, don't let it get lost

628
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:36.360
in the commonness you know of this
level of wrong. Just because it seems

629
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.920
to happen more and more and more
does not mean it needs to become normal

630
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:45.280
that people do. Adults dupe children, No freaking way, what is in

631
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:51.199
your mind? You're a grown man
duping a young boy. No wonder the

632
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.039
taxi cab had never been dispatched out
to that neighborhood. It didn't have to

633
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:02.719
be. The predator was the girl. She never existed. Now, Dustin's

634
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.559
sexual deviance history was with young females. But don't make let you think that,

635
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.599
oh, well, boys are off
the table. Don't ever think that

636
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:19.440
there's only one choice out there for
someone who's a sexual deviant. Some scary

637
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.639
info for you and your teens if
they happen to be listening to this episode.

638
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:29.000
You know these people will go to
lengths to get you. I promise

639
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.159
you. And it's what you don't
know that will get you when you're young,

640
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.719
it's what you don't know that will
get you. And if we keep

641
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.280
sex an abuse a taboo topic in
our society, these things are going to

642
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.760
continue to happen. So, in
my opinion, let's open the lines of

643
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.519
communication. If you aren't comfortable saying
it. Record this info and let me

644
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.159
tell it to your kids. Let
them listen to me, because this is

645
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:59.719
important information. Children between the ages
of twelve and fifteen are especially susceptible to

646
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:07.239
be groomed or manipulated by adults that
they meet online. Justin fell right into

647
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:14.119
that twelve to fifteen and according to
the FBI, fifty percent of the victims

648
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:21.199
half of the victims of online sexual
exploitation are between the ages of twelve and

649
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:27.679
fifteen. We have got to talk
to twelve to fifteen year olds. Justin

650
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.000
wasn't a bad kid. He was
the epitome of a good kid. What

651
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.599
the issue is is that he was
limited in life experience and maturity. But

652
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.480
what he did was certainly age appropriate
for his actions to make a bad decision

653
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.920
to go meet up with a girl. Obviously we wish that hadn't happened,

654
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.239
but it was age appropriate in maturity
level that he would make that decision.

655
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:57.360
And estimated eighty nine percent of sexual
advances directed at children occur in internet chat

656
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.199
rooms or through instant messaging. That
is the way that they will get you.

657
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:05.559
They are doing it through social media. Now, these were MySpace days,

658
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.920
Okay, back then, that's before
Facebook if you're young, but my

659
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:12.599
Space days for justin think about what
we have now with all of these apps

660
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.119
and features that we can keep You
know that parents are trying to keep up

661
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:22.599
with. This is the most important
stat that I want you to hear.

662
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:29.320
Hear me out, y'all. While
using social media, forty percent of children

663
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:37.960
remove privacy settings in order to attract
more followers. Kids are not looking for

664
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.519
safety, y'all. They're looking for
approval in numbers, those likes, those

665
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:49.480
shares. Kids don't think like adults, and they don't have the experience that

666
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.599
we do to understand our viewpoint.
That's why they can't see it our way.

667
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.119
That's why they argue with us.
We know that, I mean,

668
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.400
their language is dumb as shit.
If you need proof, how many of

669
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:04.719
y'all have googled skibbity ohio is in
the last month Tuesday Tuesday Special Team,

670
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.079
Special Player, like all that dumb
shit. It's dumb. If you haven't

671
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:14.719
looked it up, it's because it's
so dumb you don't care, you know

672
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.039
what I mean. Both, it's
like proof that we're separate in our thinking.

673
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.119
Brian really gave no explanation as to
how Justin ended up dead next to

674
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.800
where his cab had died, other
than his claim of just saying I didn't

675
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.920
do it on purpose. Well,
we all want answers, don't we.

676
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.760
I mean a shoulder shrug and an
I don't know isn't good enough. But

677
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.760
that's pretty much all the police were
getting from Brian. Police would then ask

678
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.159
questions of his wife about him.
They wanted to know about their life together,

679
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.239
which would elicit some information that was
pretty eye opening. She explained that

680
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:57.159
they were swingers and that they love
to have sex with other couples, but

681
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.840
adult adults of course, right Amanda, his wife was like, we swing

682
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:07.519
with adults. She also added that
he liked to choke during sex. That

683
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.320
was one of his things that got
him all erotic, was choking. But

684
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.519
another adult female came forward, and
this would be really important. She came

685
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:21.239
forward and said, look, I
have been sexually active with Amanda and Brian,

686
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:28.679
and she added something that happened recently. She said that Brian said he

687
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:34.679
really wanted to get a younger male
to join them in their sexual activities because

688
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:39.679
he was gonna get off by seeing
a virginal boy a virgin boy have sex

689
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:45.760
with his wife while he watched.
And then it all comes together and makes

690
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:53.719
sense, doesn't it. Just now, it was that statement that made this

691
00:51:53.920 --> 00:52:00.880
all just fall into place. Lure
a young boy him up, bring him

692
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.599
home, have him join them for
sex. You know, it was that

693
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.320
basic in Brian's mind, I guess. But what I'm thinking is either Brian

694
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:14.360
made advancements towards Justin that were rebuffed, or he told him the real plane

695
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.440
at some point, but Justin balked
either way and was like, I didn't

696
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.760
sign up for this, what's going
on here? And he either went running

697
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:27.280
or started fighting back. Brian grabbed
him from behind, put his hand over

698
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.119
his mouth to shut him up,
and that's what caused that bruising and the

699
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.920
lacerations in his inner mouth from the
pressure on his braces, just gripping him,

700
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.880
telling him to shut up, be
quiet, And as they struggled,

701
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:45.159
Brian pulled him back into the woods, completely overpowering him, then slamming him

702
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.880
face down in the dirt as he's
struggling for his life, and then he

703
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:54.719
slowly choked the life out of him
while sitting on his back and his chest.

704
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.400
So there was no evidence like I
said of rape or sexual assault.

705
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:06.960
This is in terms of seeing semen
or a sexual assault kit showing anything.

706
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.960
That doesn't mean that there wasn't eroticism
in this. I'm telling you, I

707
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.199
just I'm not. You know,
we don't know what's going through a freak's

708
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:21.280
mind like that. Police also pulled
fingerprints from the cab that proved Justin had

709
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:27.800
been in that cab, and then
they searched all of that simcard and found

710
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:31.800
tons of explicit messages that had been
sent to Justin's phone from Brian Horn.

711
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.800
The muddy boots. There was muddy
boots that were inside of the brother's vehicle

712
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:43.519
whenever he let police search it.
The muddy boots that they found in the

713
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.519
truck turned out to be a match
with the boot prints that led straight to

714
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:51.480
where Justin's body was. And so
it just meant the one thing, and

715
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.760
that's that they had the right person
in custody and the killer had been found.

716
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.480
Brian Horn was indicted by a grand
jury into Sodo Parish. Now,

717
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.199
I want to tell you something.
Defense attorneys obviously have an uphill battle most

718
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.239
of the time, and I'm not
dogging on a defense attorney, but something

719
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.920
that this one said, rubbed me
all kinds of the wrong way. His

720
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.280
name was Antonio Florence. Okay.
He represented Brian Hornincourt, and I want

721
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:29.800
you to hear what he said.
These are direct quotes upled. He said,

722
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:35.079
yes, Horn is a sex offender, but he doesn't rate boys.

723
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.880
He said that he was a sex
offender only in relation to females and said,

724
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.760
look, he's a swinger and he
liked to watch his wife and his

725
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.800
girlfriend on the side have sex with
other men. And those text messages were

726
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:54.280
designed for that, to watch this
virgin have sex with this woman as if

727
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.360
as if that's normal. That's not
normal. But that's not the thing that

728
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.679
got me the most angry. It's
the next sentence he said. And this

729
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:09.719
was said in open court to a
jury. Teenagers want to have sex with

730
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:19.679
adults. Twelve year old boys don't
want to have sex with adults. This

731
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.239
twelve year old boy was going to
meet a fourteen year old girl that he

732
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.119
thought was on the same level in
playing field as him. He probably thought

733
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.440
he was gonna get a little smooch
in and a little touching. This is

734
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:34.159
not with that child set out for. He said that justin was thinking he's

735
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:39.000
gonna go have some fun. What
is wrong with you that we're not putting

736
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.639
blame on a child here. This
is a child who got into a cab

737
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.239
who he thought he was going to
meet a fourteen year old girl that was

738
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:50.320
a grown ass man the whole time
riding this He said that that horn never

739
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.880
intended to kill him. Okay,
then what was the goal. If the

740
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.000
goal wasn't to kill him, then
then this is the only other thing I

741
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:58.679
can come up with. They wanted
to play with him and then send him

742
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.920
back home, So, oh,
don't get mad at him. He just

743
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.960
wanted to basically have an orgy with
a child. Is that what the defense

744
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.519
attorney was really trying to say to
these people? Disgusting? It's not cool,

745
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:12.719
and I don't appreciate. If I
was Justin's mother, I would have

746
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:17.760
come over over the bench at that
man. The restraint these victims have is

747
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.079
unbelievable. God blessed Justin's mother,
who, by the way, I did

748
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:23.719
reach out to and didn't get back
cheating it back with me at the time

749
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:28.880
I was gonna record this. Brian
also tried to make the argument that the

750
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.960
abrasions on Justin's body were caused after
his death, because he was dragging him

751
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.880
from the road and then over a
barboar fence where his body was found.

752
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.000
I guess he's trying to say,
oh, he didn't suffer that much.

753
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.800
This was all after he was already
dead, but that was found to be

754
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.199
not true according to the doctor who
confirmed that the wounds were not even consistent

755
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.800
with barbed wire nor dragging after death. Everything that happened to this child happened

756
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.880
while he fought as best he could
to get free. He was dragged like

757
00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:00.000
a lamb to slaughter alive into the
woods, either to be raped or killed

758
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.920
or both. But either way,
there is no justifiable reason for what happened

759
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.719
to twelve year old Justin. I
think that once Justin was made aware of

760
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.320
what was going on, that's when
he started fighting back. And that's whenever

761
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.039
Horn decided he had to get rid
of him. He had already kidnapped him

762
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.519
by coaxing him under these false pretenses. And now, Brian, I'm sure,

763
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.280
looking out for oneself as he always
did, feared that the kid was

764
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.760
going to go tell, which he
couldn't have because he was already on parole

765
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.599
which he'd absconded from, which I
told you earlier from the previous sex offenses,

766
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.400
and his whole argument became that basically
he put his hand over Justin's mouth

767
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.360
and was just telling him be patient, I will take you to the girl.

768
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:43.639
Okay, why would you even say
that? Because the girl's not real.

769
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.400
You're nothing but a liar. No
one should believe anything that comes out

770
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:54.360
of this man's mouth, you know, unbelievable, rattled and unwilling to let

771
00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:00.559
him go. When it went south, Brian Horn killed him. The courts

772
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.000
would also agree in some fashion with
what my idea is here, because the

773
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:09.480
trial resulted in a unanimous finding of
guilty of first degree murder with the sentencing

774
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:17.239
punishment of death. Good. So
this case begs the question real quick,

775
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.079
how does a convicted sex offender,
twice convicted sex offender get to be a

776
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:29.199
taxi driver. Well, when this
case began, Brian Horn's boss his name

777
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.960
was David McFarlane, the owner of
Action Taxi. He approved the permit on

778
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:38.280
March nineteenth. Justin was murdered on
March twenty ninth. So McFarlane himself said

779
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:42.480
that he didn't like the fact that
Brian Horn was a registered sex offender,

780
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.400
but that he couldn't discriminate and that
his hands were tied. Remember this is

781
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:51.440
at the time he hired him.
So thanks to Justin's mom, thanks to

782
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:57.880
a strong woman who is gonna take
no shit. She decided, you know

783
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.920
what, if my baby is gone, I'm gonna make it worth something.

784
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.599
And she said, this has got
to change. So she pushed for and

785
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.599
was successful in the passing of Justin's
Law, which, for example, in

786
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:14.039
Texas, increases the severity of punishment
for repeat sex offenders under this two strike

787
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.119
rule. Now, if they have
two strikes against them, they possibly face

788
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:21.159
life sentences on these sex offenders without
parole, which is we should never even

789
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.119
let them have a second chance,
you know what I mean. Justin's Law

790
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.880
also places employment restrictions on certain violent
sex offenders that should have been in place

791
00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:36.679
already. It's common sense. When
Justin died, I want to be very

792
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.000
clear that he is the ultimate victim
in this case, but there is a

793
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:44.480
ripple effect of victimhood, like rocks, like skipping them across a pond.

794
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:49.559
This case caused a massive ripple.
Justin's family has suffered greatly. One of

795
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.280
his own brothers, Dalton, he
grew up to become a marine and proudly

796
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:59.400
serve the United States Marine Corps sim
Per five Dalton, but he would honorably

797
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.480
be discharged about five years later.
But Dalton even said in an article that

798
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.760
I read that inner rage and PTSD
affected his advancement, and he told another

799
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:12.239
news outlet that I read that he
has a hardness in his heart after his

800
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:16.440
brother died, and he even has
a desire to die. This affected his

801
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:22.039
brother tremendously. The friend that Justin
spent the night with said that the trauma

802
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.480
from that is something he still deals
with almost every day when he wakes up

803
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.559
in the morning. Y'all. He's
an adult now. When he wakes up

804
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.840
in the morning, he still goes
and checks that everyone who is suppos's in

805
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.960
the home, who are supposed to
be in the home is still there when

806
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.119
they wake up. You think this
doesn't have long term effects on everybody involved,

807
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.599
Even the killer's own brother it suffered
from this. He didn't do anything,

808
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:46.440
He's the brother. But he was
getting messages on Facebook, people calling

809
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.000
and disguising their voices and hanging up
in his face. They were getting death

810
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:54.519
threats about this. A feel for
him, y'all. He didn't do anything

811
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.400
all he did was share the same
parents. This was something the killer brother

812
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:02.800
said, I love my brother and
I hate it that he is where he

813
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is, but when you make choices, you have to face them. And

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his brother meant y'all, because he
testified for both the prosecution and the defense,

815
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.360
and so one outlet our read said, well, you know, how

816
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.800
do you feel about your testimony helping
to convict your brother, and the brother

817
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.639
looked up at Kevin said, the
evidence is what convicted my brother, not

818
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me. There's no winners in this
case, but I can say this.

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It's just another example of why we
need harsher penalties, especially for sex offenders,

820
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.559
no second and third chances. I'm
not willing to risk those I love

821
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on the hopes that someone won't reoffend. Are you? We the people better

822
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.559
get a grip on these offenders and
spread the word that hug a thug programs

823
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.880
don't work. You won't therapyse the
predator out of a sex offender. All

824
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.280
we are allowing is the opportunity for
more people to get hurt, and then

825
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:06.639
when children are the target. I'm
not having it, and you shouldn't neither.

826
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.960
I never thought i'd say this,
but the death penalty and deodorant seemed

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to have a lot in common this
summer. The ones who needed applied the

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most never seemed to get it.