Tragic Consequences: The Murder of Terry and Elisa McGee

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ You're back for another set of unspeak a ball?

1:01 What is going on? How are you doing? I'm doing pretty good today. I'd actually I called into work because I don't feel good. But I'm still gonna record my podcast because you people need this. Y'all need crime in your life and to know what's going on. So I'm just not gonna let you down. Let me give you some shout outs for us. Start this case though. So I am starting in Dealing Florida with Carrie Raymie. What is going on? Carrie? All the way over there in Florida. I hope things are going swimmingly over there, but I've got some other Florida people here too. Let's see. I've got Sarah Killer or Killo from Ormond Beach, Ormond Beach, Florida. I'm sorry if I am trashing these pronunciations. I'm giving it hell. I'm doing my best. And then I've got Jeanette Grimes. Now she's from Melbourne, Florida. Jeannette, you may know my family because I spend about a week, maybe two weeks every year in Melbourne, Florida, right there in Indian Harbor Beach, because we have family that lives there and I love it there. And I'm sure you're familiar with the guy that has the big plant place that's really famous down there. I can't think of the name of it, but I got me a big old plumeria from there, and it's real pretty and all that kind of stuff. So hey, I know exactly where you are, and I'm stoked to have you join as a patron on my podcast and supporting me. And then let's see Lisa Moore Sandwich, Illinois. I hope that's a real place. Sandwich.

2:15 I've never Jim, have you heard of Sandwich? You have? Have I said this? Did I double call out? Maybe? Maybe I did well, that's okay, She's worth it. So Lisa Moore, second shout out. If I've already done your name, I must have messed up somewhere If I didn't, though, But Sandwich, Illinois, that's pretty freaking cool. And then roseland a Bear from Boutie, Louisiana. What is going on? Roseland right around the corner, let's see we had a some more Louisiana here too, Sherriy Huggins in Port Berry, Louisiana. Hey, how you doing, Sherry? I actually have friends and family, not my family, but my friend's family that's in Port Berry. He used to go there every summer and I would arrive with his mama to drop him off at his daddy's house, so I know exactly where that is. And then we've got Anoka, Minnesota. Madison Jansen, what's going on there? Madison?

3:02 How are you? I've done a couple episodes in Minnesota. I've never been there, but I know about crime there. I'm glad to have you. And then last, but not least, it's gonna be Jessica Adams from Brookhaven, Mississippi. What a great group of people. I'm so thankful to have you from all over the place join and support me. And it just I know I say it every time, but man, it just means so much when you have people that support you so much that they take their time and they're harder money to show you that they believe in you. So thank you, thank you, thank you. It means everything. And today I may not have had anybody on the list from Tennessee, but we're doing a case in Tennessee. Come with me to Knoxville, Tennessee. Now the year is two thousand and seven and this is the home of the McGee family. Once just a small duo of dad and daughter. Things were looking up for dad Terry and his daughter Amanda. Now Amanda was just fifteen and Dad was sixty, so there was certainly a large generational gap between the two of them, and as you can imagine, that would make parenting hard in a world that is changing just so rapidly from year to year. Almost it seems it's hard enough for older adults to keep up and even understand at times the ever evolving technology and the changes and apps and all this other stuff that's going on in our world today, not to mention the extreme difference between growing up like Terry did in the nineteen forties versus Amanda, who grew up in the nineteen nineties, And so I really kind of focused on that at

4:32 first when I was researching this case, because I was like, damn, that's kind of a big difference, because Terry grew up in more of a leave it to Beaver and I love lucy timeframe. You know, the fifties was led by a time where the family had a masculine breadwinner and that man or that father's judgment, was the end all be all in the home. He could be caring, but socially it just wasn't acceptable to show weakness or emotional vulnerability. And that was also a time that the mom was meek and mild and submissive while rearing her children. She would rear males that were clean cut and charming, and the female children dreamed of finding a good husband. That was kind of the era that Terry grew up in, while Amanda Hers was just a stark contrast to that in the nineties. The nineties was more in your face and unapologetic and pushing social boundaries. Kids were gone all day long with few check ins with their parents, and Austin Powers, because I was curious Austin Powers was the film that was all the rage. And you know, I'm not a prude or anything, we know that, but Austin Powers, you know, is regular daytime television versus Leave It to Beaver.

5:47 It's a little more edgy. And so I just that really put it into perspective for me as how big of a difference it was between father and daughter. Add to that situation that Amanda's mother was less than nurturing to her. To be frank, she wasn't anything to Amanda because drugs and prostitution were, unfortunately the reality for Amanda's mother or birth mother, and so Terry decided very early on, I'm not dealing with this. I'm not gonna have my baby girl be a part of this. So he decided, I'm leaving this relationship and he divorced the birth mother whenever Amanda was four. So Terry was very cognizant that he did not want his daughter to have anything to do with that type of lifestyle, and he vowed from a very young age of Amanda that he was going to protect her with everything that he had. And that's admirable.

6:40 That's a good daddy. So Terry looks like he could have been Amanda's young grandfather if you're looking at photographs of them. He's tall, he's thin, he's got a gray beard. His hair is balding on top, but he's got a real full head of hair on the sides and in the back. And he wore big glasses that kind of looked like aviator sunglasses, but obviously with clear lenses. And he didn't overly smile in pictures. Now, he wasn't a grump. I don't want to, I don't portray him that way, but he wasn't a grumpy man or anything. He was just very mature and very chill for a sixty year old. Amanda looking at her, is a very average looking girl.

7:23 She has straight brown hair it's just past her her shoulders, and most photographs she's got these really really thin, narrow, kind of slitted eyes and very strong eyebrows. She's plain and usually you see her without any makeup, but she's very age appropriate in her clothing and photographs and things of that nature. So he would raise her alone until he met the love of his life. Her name was Elisa. Two years later, so Amanda was six years old whenever they met, and the relationship between the two was an amazing one. And that's so awesome to hear a step mom or a woman comes into a young girl's life and she just gravitates to her with just wild abandon.

8:07 I think that's amazing. And Alisa was she was an accountant to kind of tell you about her personality and her likes, and she was a very kind woman. So she would be introduced to Amanda. They took them to a red lobster. That's where they decided that they would do their formal introductions, and so the affection between the two of them was almost instant. They both really took to one another, and little Amanda, just six years old, would just talk her ear off that night, and Alisa would just eat up every minute of it. Because Alisa didn't have kids of her own, but she loved children and she was meant for the role of mama to this little girl. If you ask anybody, she just took to it. So Terry and Alisa would eventually move in together after about a year of dating, and Amanda would be glued to her hip. In photos you see that they are always cuddled up together on the couch, they're always smiling. Just the real fondness between them, you can't mistake it. It is absolutely real. And Amanda would even call her mom, which is a massive nod to the woman that came into her life and didn't have to be great to her. I think that that is a I mean, for someone to call you mom and you did not give birth to them is that's just a huge nod in my opinion. She helped her with homework, she cooked dinner. She was everything that Amanda needed and hadn't had for the first few years of her life.

9:34 And after four years of living together, Terry and Alisa would get married because they wanted to make the family official. So they at first had said, well, we're just going to go off somewhere and get married. It's not going to be a big deal. But the family was just so enthralled with the situation that they didn't want them to do that. They wanted them to have a wedding, and so on May twentieth of two thousand and four, they were married in a small, you know, a small intimate wedding a family member's house. But it was very sweet and very meaningful for everybody that was there, Amanda took to Alyssa, like I've said, and that bond grew and grew and grew, and this would be her mother, her motherly figure, and there was no doubt about that.

10:17 And it helped too that Alisa was twenty years younger than Terry. Alisa was only forty one, and so this age gap being smaller than between Amanda and her father, may have really proved to be the difference for Alisa to have a better understanding of the young girl as she grew into a teenager. So Amanda and her dad did not get along, and this is well documented. They did not get along. They could not see eye to eye on anything. Really. Terry, very black and white, known to be very strict and was raising her much like the times of the forties and the fifties. I don't find strictness to be a bad thing, though I don't want to seem like he was being, you know, overbearing.

11:04 I don't think that's a bad thing so long as you have some give and take about it. But that give and take I don't think was as much Terry's style. Okay, so he loved Amanda, but he didn't It was kind of like his way or the highway seemed to be the way that he handled things. And this is where Alisa would come in and be so important because she would serve as the go between when dad and daughter would butt heads. She was great at diffusing arguments and helping them both to kind of meet in the middle and come up with a plan whenever things were just going south between the two of them. But no matter what, Alisa never wavered in her love and support of Amanda.

11:45 That was her daughter and she treated her no different. So as the typical tensions of raising a teen girl you know, raised its ugly head, Alisa would remain the calm in that storm. She would continue to get of guidance and to love Amanda as she helped her to navigate the hormones and the massive array of emotions that we all probably know early teens, especially girls, are going through. Their hormones are insane, and Amanda was boy crazy like as soon as those hormones started pumping through her veins. By the age of twelve, she was boy crazy and her daddy knew it, as did the entire family. This wasn't something that was kept you know, hush hush. Amanda wanted to see boys. She wanted to start dating very young, and her dad was totally against this. Dating was out of the question, especially to twelve. You're not going to date somebody when you're twelve, And Terry was very firm in this. Maybe you know, he was afraid that she was going to turn out to be like her mom or something that nature. I don't know, but he kept a very close eye on her, and he wanted her to be successful in life, and he didn't want there to be any distractions that may get in the way of that. So the reality was that he was all always having to watch her really closely. Though, And when I say watch her closely, I don't mean like just because he didn't want her, you know, running off. I mean everybody in the family recognized that they had to watch her closely, Like if they were go on a vacation to the beach or go somewhere, Amanda would always

13:18 be on the prow to go find the attention of a boy, and that the family had to work hard to try to keep her reined in and not just be an absolute boy crazy little girl. So while a Lisa didn't want her all over the boys either, I mean that wasn't her ideal situation. She would still try to remind Terry, look, we have to let her experience things. If we don't and we are just completely hard nosed about everything, and you're gonna be just completely strict and not give, she's gonna go wild and rebel. Terry like, there's gotta be a little middle ground here, And Terry knew he recognized he did have to give a little the older she got, but it wouldn't be much. And in Terry's defense, Amanda would hey things that most teen girls, I would argue, would probably try to hide from their parents, but not not Amanda. She was kind of out there with this. She was almost proud to claim that she was more experienced with boys than other girls her age.

14:17 And the truth behind this so called experience, I honestly, I don't know. It's up for debate, but she certainly made it known that she was up for it whenever she was around teens her age, So I'm sure there was a lot of frustrations over this. Nobody wants to think of their daughter, especially young daughter, being hyper sexual around other teenagers. So maybe she was trying to be cool or whatever. I don't know. But it was very immature and it was off putting. It best to think that that would be her claim to coolness, would be very experienced at a young age with males. But by two thousand and seven Amanda was fifteen years old. She had grown into a typical teen who went to school and she loved to play soccer. She had lots of boyfriends.

14:59 And when I say boyfriends, I don't mean like at the same time. I mean she had a bunch of really short term relationships. You know, they date for two weeks and then they break up the day for a month and they break up, And she always thought that she was in love with every single one of them, even if it was short lived. You know, a breakup after a week was a complete and total, just disaster in her life. But Terry was a strong figure in the household and he was a steady man too. And this goes even into his employment because he was a very successful man in the workforce. He had met a milestone recently that we all pray to meet one day and that's the big R retirement o MG or something hell right now going Oh my god, it's so far away, it's so far away. But we pray for that day that we hit retirement. And after dedicating twenty two years of his life to the Knox Cottage Company and rising eventually to the rank of vice president because he was good at what he did, Terry finally got to kick up his boots and relax. He was in retirement, and he did just that, y'all. Eventually he didn't even you know, now, he didn't have to set an alarm, he didn't have to get up early, so his schedule even ended up getting a bit backwards because there was no reason to go to bed early, no reason to set an alarm to get up early. As well, he actually became a complete night owl because of the change in his schedule,

16:30 so it was typical that he would stay up all night and then sleep until noon the next day. It wasn't an issue. Though this was not a problem didn't bother Alisa because she was still working, so she'd be at work during the day and it wasn't like she was alone. She's at work with her co workers. She worked a nine to five job at Zyp Coatings in Oakridge, where she had been for many many years, a very steady job. So as the school year was wrapping up and that sweet, sweet summertime came around. Amanda was love to spend time with her friends. That's what teenagers do, those great days of summer, the relaxing, the nothing is scheduled, niceness of the day. That's just a dream come true for all of our teenagers. And of course they just want to have fun together. So Amanda's good friend, her name was Rebecca, and they had been close friends for a while, and Amanda was invited to go spend the night at Rebecca's. They were also going to go and attend a party. Now, Terry, the girls even said they were going to go to a party. Terry, as you can imagine, was not happy with that idea. You know, you go to spend the night, but I don't think you need to be out partying. But Alisa played mediator as she usually did, and she was able to negotiate an agreement between them. Now what that agreement is, I don't have that, but I'm sure it went something like this, Oh, let her go hang out with her friends. It's summertime, but you need to be home, you know, no later than midnight or no later than eleven o'clock. I don't know.

17:53 She's fifteen, I would have said, you still have to be home by ten maybe nine. Okay, I'm a mean mom hashtag sorry my kids who may be listening. But he, you know, he he did come up with an agreement, even though I don't quite know exactly what the agreement was. And so the girls not only got to spend the night, but they got to go to the party. And there, wouldn't you know, Amanda meets a boy named Andrew Mann. Now Amanda was interested in him, although I'm gonna tell you, y'all know, I'm honest to gay or blunt, but I wouldn't say that he is a boy that is, you know, traditionally considered handsome. Okay, and that's not my nice way of saying he's fugly. All okay, this is not a cute kid, truth be told. Look, if I was gonna describe him to you, I would say that he's wimpy looking.

18:41 He's pale. He's skinny, little bony, elbowed, crunchy little dude. He stands about five foot ten, maybe one hundred and ten pounds. He's got brown hair, and he's got really round, bulging eyes like he gots on big o' eyeballs, and his nose is really narrow and pointed, and his ears are really pointed, and they kind of like are pinned back tight to his head. And he reminds me of Grew on Despicable Me if he was skinny. That's what he looks like. To add to this, his personality isn't like, you know, some people may be ugly and all that, but their personality just shines through and you get it while they're attractive, once they start talking, you totally get it. Well, this is not Andrew because Andrew's personality he was kind of this awkward guy, a social outcast, extremely anxious personality.

19:39 So I'm not sure what the attraction was. I guess is what I'm getting at. But Amanda was attracted to him, and that attraction would be even stronger when she found out he had a motorcycle. Not only did have a motorcycle, but he had his own house and a though I don't want to forget that part. So they're talking more and she's like, you know, well, how do you have all this stuff? He says, oh, well, I have a full time job. And she's like, what about your parents, like, and he said, oh, no, I don't. I don't. I live on my own. I don't have parents that I answer to. So I'm sure you're wondering what I was wondering in that moment. How could a kid have all of this afford a house and a motorcycle and a car and a full time job. I don't care what your job is. How are you affording all of that?

20:29 Because it seems like a lie when you first hear the story. But guess what, he wasn't lying, y'all. He was one hundred percent telling the truth. The reason, though, is the issue I take with him. The fact was that he was not another young teen at the party. That was a bunch of young teenagers. Andrew Mann was twenty one years old. The cringe factor behind a twenty one year old hanging out with teenagers is something I just can't get past. That is gross. I literally, y'all know this. I get paid to be around teens day in and day out, and trust when I'm telling you that even money isn't a good enough motivator to be willing to hang out with them outside of the hours of school. Okay, the age gap is just too big.

21:22 And I love my babies, if they're listening. I know a lot of my kids that'll teach listen to this podcast. I love y'all madly, but we don't have anything in common beyond loving one another and class. You know what I'm saying. I don't want to go to a party with you, and I don't think you want to go to a party with me. That would be weird. So his motivation to do that willingly is eyebrow raising at minimum to me, And it also tells me one of two things. Either he is incredibly immature as hell, or he is a manipulator who uses his age to get what he wants to look cool to young kids. That is how I and I'm not going to part from that. That's literally how I feel people who are too old go to parties with young people. But either one is a problem to me. But the night progresses. I wasn't there, neither was Terry. So the night progresses and the two can't leave each other alone. They are all about one another, and they make plans to hang out the next day. Yes, again, a twenty one year old is being flirty with a fifteen year old. Just for a perspective, in case you're young and you're you're not quite sure of the gap here.

22:32 That is a ninth grader hanging out with a homeowner with a full time job. No freaking way, I don't get it. So they meet up on the premise that Andrew was going to teach her to drive because she didn't ever license yet, and Amanda wanted to learn how to drive, and he was very flirty with her from the start, and she was flirty back with him. The thing about this is that Andrew, from all accounts, did not have a lot of luck with the ladies. So this attention that he was getting from Amanda was not something he was used to, and he seems to be overly flattered by it. And that's why he is completely unfazed by her very young age. So while they are talking and they're getting to know one another, that's whenever he opens up to Amanda that his mom was fourteen years old whenever she got pregnant with him, and he says it was the result of a rape, and so his childhood was a bit spotty in detail. So I'm guessing through the lens of a fifteen year old girl.

23:36 She's looking at Oh, I've got this older man that's interested in me because I'm different. And then he's also the wounded man right that I'm gonna swoop in and save him from his bad childhood. That's all I can figure is happening here. But after that outing to drive together, Andrew confides in another friend of his. His friend's name is Christopher. He confides in Christopher about Amanda, and Christopher looks at him and he's like, bro, you need to stay away from her. What are you doing? But Andrew just blows all of that advice off, and he continues to spend the next two weeks with her. All day long, he's with her, and I'm sure we can all guess what that was about, but hey, I wasn't there. This is merely speculation, but they did not depart from one another during the day for the next two weeks. At night, Amanda, I think, would go home, and that's why her parents didn't think anything of it or know that she was hanging out with a twenty one year old. Whatever was happening though when they were together was enough to make Andrew feel like Amanda should be his wife, because within two weeks of knowing her, Andrew proposes to a fifteen year old. Now this was complete with a real ring too.

24:51 He paid a lot of money for it. It was at a real jewelry store, and he even brought Amanda with him to pick it out and when he paid for it. So, as you can imagine, Amanda now is over the moon that someone wants to marry her. And the issue though, she can't run home to Daddy and say, Daddy, look, I'm engaged. So if that were to happen, I mean, Terry would have an all out stroke. She might kill her. I mean, he might kill him. She didn't want to do that. She couldn't do that. But at one point she had the ring on when she went home and she was asked about that ring, and she told her parents, Oh, it's just a joke. The ring's fake. I got it from a friend of mine. Is it's no big deal. Well, on top of that lie, Amanda began to lie a lot, and Terry was very apprehensive because he's starting to wonder is she turning out like her birth mother? This is not good. We can't have this. She lied about everything, y'all.

25:43 She lied about where she was going, she was lying about who she was with. She obviously was lying about Andrew, and it goes on and on and on. Now, Friday, June twenty ninth of two thousand and seven, Stepmama Lisa had plans to go visit her sister her after work. Her sister's name was Christy. She had been seeing Christy after work for the last few days because Christy had been pregnant and just gave birth to baby twin boys. And I'm sure that was exciting, these two brand new babies, and she was over the moon for her sister and these new lives that were her little nephews right they were coming into the family. So Christy had expected Elisa to come and see her and the babies for the first day home. But she didn't hear from her sister, and for Alisa to do no call, no show was strange. However, Christy had her hands full with her two baby boys.

26:37 She figured something must have happened, no big deal. But by Saturday, Christy still hadn't in contact gotten in contact with her sister, and she was really concerned by this. They spoke, they were common, it was common for them to speak to each other, so and she was expecting her to come see her brand new nephews. I can't imagine my sister not showing up to be having babies. So she called all day Saturday, and she left messages too, but none of those would be returned. So by Sunday, everyone in Alisa's close family wanted answers and wanted to talk to Alisa. So they sent a cousin over there to go check on her. Now, this family was very tight. I want you to know that, Like there's multiple aunts and cousins and all of this, but they're very tight, okay, sending one another over there to check on her. So this cousin shows up and he knocks on the door, no answer. So he goes around to the back and he's knocking on the back, still no answer. And that's whenever he goes up and he peers in through a window on that door, and to his just horror, there he saw Alisa on the ground, face down in a hallway.

27:43 So an aunt that had shown up at that point too, she had her grandson with her. She says, kick down the damn door, kick the door open. We've got to get in there. We've got to help her. And so he does, just as his grandma tells me, duey. He busts through that door and they run into the house and there they find Alisa shot in the back on the ground. She was beyond any help and she was dead. So they all started screaming for Terry and for Amanda. Oh my god, Terry, Terry, Amanda, Oh my god, Terry. And so they're screaming for the other one or the other two, and they go down the hallway and they come up to a bedroom door, and it was shut so they couldn't see into the room. When they opened that door, there, to their relief, Terry was there, but he was asleep in the bed. So they run up on him, Terry, Terry. But as they get closer to him, they realize, oh my god, he's not asleep, he's dead.

28:39 His head was facing away from the doorway, the way that the bed was up against the doorway. He was looking away from the opening of the doorway, and when they looked got closer, there was a bullet hole in the back of his head. He too, was beyond any resuscitation or any help. So the ant mustard all of her strength that she could and ran down the hall to Amanda's room and she grabbed that doorknob, and she said a little prayer, and she didn't want to turn the doorknob because she knew what she was going to find behind that door. She just knew it. So she took a deep breath, and knowing full well what she was going to find behind that door, but not wanting to see it, she turned that doorknob and she pushed the door open. But to her happiness, Amanda was not in the room. So thank god she was nowhere in the house. They looked for her. But if she's not here, where is she and is she okay? They immediately called the police, and the police arrived within minutes of the phone call, and they verified that both of the victims were well beyond any life saving measures and this was now going to be a murder investigation, a double murder investigation.

30:01 So detectives are looking at the house. There's no sign of forced entry. There's no sign of struggle in the house either. It was a well kept house. Nothing looked a miss Terry. Like I told you, he was lying in the bed. He was flat on his back. He had on a white T shirt and boxers like a lot of people would sleep in. And he's in a completely resting position. The blankets are pulled up, they're about to his waist and his elbows. Because I studied the photo, his elbows were resting on the bed and his arms were resting on his stomach, just like he was asleep. And his face, like I told you, was turned towards the wall. He literally looked like he was sleeping if you didn't know that he was shot. If you get up close and you look at his shirt, there is some blood spatter on his shirt kind of below his chin, and his eyes are blacked out or they're blacked from the violence of the gunshot to the back of the head.

30:57 Elisa's body was fully dry as well. There was a towel partially covering her, and there was a rug underneath her body. When they were looking at the rug, they noticed that it had a slight, discolored, kind of yellowish stain on this rug. And at that same time, while they were looking, investigators smelled bleach, and so they came to the conclusion that the bleach must have been the cause of the staining on the rug, and further investigation would lead to them finding a bottle of bleach in the living room. So it's not rocket science. Here bleach had been poured on her and it got onto the rug. The house wasn't ransacked though, like I told you, and nothing seemed to be taken. There was no money missing, like nothing of value was missing, so police immediately ruled out robbery as a motive of this double murder. But the family is still freaking out because fifteen year old Amanda is gone and nobody can find her and nobody can get in touch with her. Where is Amanda now?

31:58 At the medical examiner's office, once the bodies arrived there, the medical examiners were able to paint a picture of what they thought happened to Terry and to Elisa. Terry's autopsy showed that he had died as the result of a single gunshot wound to the back of the head, and the pathologist said he was he was laying in bed, most likely asleep, when the bullet blew through his brain. The location of the shot caused traumatic destruction of his brain tissue as well as bleeding around the brain, and whenever they were able to take out the bullet, they identified this as a thirty two caliber bullet. So as terrible as this is, to know that this man was shot while he was asleep and defenseless. The follow up documentation is what was really gut wrenching to me, and that was that the shot to the back of his head was not immediately fatal. The pathologists believed that Terry probably remained alive for up to two hours, feeling pain, but because of the massive brain damage that had been done, he was unable to help himself, and he couldn't call for help, nor could he get up or anything. So the pathologist believed that he probably laid there, mortally wounded for hours in complete and total agony before he finally took his last breath. And while I'd never want anyone to be shot, and i know people listening y'all know

33:28 that neither do you, but I would pray that if someone were shot, that they would die instantly and not lay there and suffer. It's just cruel to think that that's what happened to somebody. And Elisa's autopsy was equally as sad. She too had died from multiple gunshot wounds of the same caliber. She had been shot, though in the back and in the arm. Medical examiner again said this death was not immediate and she bled out completely is what seems to have happened here. And the pathologist said that would have taken up to five minutes for her to stop feeling pain. Okay, And I'm gonna tell you, I don't care if it's thirty seconds, five minutes, five hours, it doesn't matter to me. Someone was shot and they suffered, okay.

34:20 So she would have been laying there upwards of a couple of minutes before she stopped receiving enough oxygen to her brain to stop feeling the pain, and so she too suffered. She suffered on the floor, aware of her impending doom, but again unable to do anything about it, unable to help herself. And she didn't have any brain trauma, so she knew that she had been shot in the back by somebody. So the question now becomes who would want these two dead, who would actually follow through with it? And then who is so callous that they would make two people suffer in this way. I mean, it's just unbelievable. So detectives would have to do more searching into the lives of this family to understand who might have motive for them to be dead. Now there had been an incident in the past that would come to light, and this incident was with DCFS. It started though at Amanda's school, and it had been in recent years, and so they felt that this may have been of some significance. Like all teens Amanda back in the nineties right were passing notes to one another or the early two thousands, passing notes was the thing to do, and so she would pass notes in class to her friends. And in those notes it was common that she would voice her frustrations with her home and she didn't like living there, and she was always voicing that she was being abused by her dad. Well, while in class, one day, a teacher got aggravated saw in passing notes and she confiscated that note from Amanda. When she opened it and she looked

35:52 at it, she said, uh, oh, this isn't good. And then she took the mandatory reporter step that all teachers have and she turned it over to the counselor's aw. The counselor's office agreed that this, according to the note, that this looked really bad and that this probably need to be investigated, and so they made an official report with DCFS about the contents of the letter. Now I was unable to get a copy of that report. I mean, it's it's you know, it has a minor in it, so that's not going to happen anyway. But I did see whispers online where I was googling. Again, I cannot confirm that these whispers are true. I saw a couple of things, but I will tell you that I did see online in a couple of places that she was accusing her father of sexual abuse as well as physical abuse.

36:37 But again, I want to be crystal clear that I've never seen the note or the report myself. I'm just repeating something that I saw online that may absolutely one hundred percent be not true as far as the contents of the letter go. But the DCFS report was real. What I can confirm, though, is that when Child Protective Services got involved, and they did, they went and they did an investigation, and this even included calling Amanda out of class to talk to her, and then they followed up going to the McGee home and spoke to both parents. And once that happened, the case was promptly closed out and everything in the letter was deemed to be unfounded.

37:19 They could not find one ounce of truth to anything that was said. In that letter, whatever it was, they just flat out were basically saying she's lying. There were no formal complaints made after this incident either, and it seemed to just be a one time claim, a one and done type of situation, and a few years would pass with no major issues, so to speak. They just kind of handled the situation and life went on. And what look, while I know what I'm about to say is mean, Okay, it's the truth. Amanda was a known liar. Okay, her friends even said that she lied a lot. She lied a lot, and this claim that she was making was a really really big one. But she made up lots of claims and there was never a shred of evidence ever found and nothing ever backed up the claims that she would make. And I know right now because I try to be I try to be well, I guess well thought out whenever I say things on the podcast.

38:22 But I want to, I want to, I want to address this. I know I probably have some knee jerk reactions right now from some listeners. I don't know if maybe you have sexual trauma in your past, or maybe you're just more inclined to believe that maybe she's telling the truth. Whatever that reaction might be. You know, oh my god, what if it was true? Why would she lie about that, especially her own dad. Well, I want to tell you, just briefly, an experience that I'm aware of that happened in my real life, not my personal life, I'm sorry, but a friend of mine's personal personal life that I know is a true case that that I think kind of applies here. So, my friend was a cue of sexual abuse by his own daughter. And this was completely and totally crushing, life changing, devastating to this man.

39:13 And when it was all said and done, her her sexual abuse claims that were very graphic, very detailed, turned out to be absolutely one hundred percent false. He was even this got deep with police and everything. This was tough, and so when it was all sudden done, basically, the young teen girl, his daughter, said basically that her goal was that she wanted to be free of him so that she could go do whatever she wanted to do. And at one point his daughter was even sent to a home for troubled kids where they were constantly seeing a psychiat psychiatrist that was there, and even the psychiatrist at the home where she stayed temporarily diagnosed her as a compulsive liar and that her stories never aligned and they constantly changed things that wouldn't change within stories. And part of this was that that child I'm talking about she was a little intellectually behind when she was younger.

40:12 Her mother had ignored all of this because she just didn't want to believe it. And the thought process here was that maybe that contributed to it, because this child I'm talking about wanted to do whatever she wanted to do, and even though she was behind a little bit intellectually, she was still able to manipulate for her own gain. I hope you're following what I'm trying to say here, And so in my mind, knowing that that really did happen, and people do make false claims, including young girls do make false claims. Although I know a lot of people make true claims and kids do get abused, I'm not ignoring that, but in my mind, what's happening here kind of I thought of that story. It's like maybe Amanda lacked that maternal bond that we all have growing up with a mother or a mother figure in our life from get from the jump, she lacked that bonding ability as a young child and when Alisa came into her life, that initial bonding period wasn't there because you know, she's four years in, six years in, and so to me, maybe that played a role in all of the lying that Amanda was doing because she wanted her mother to care.

41:25 And the reality is Amanda's mother didn't care her birth mother. But she figured out that if she couldn't make her mom care, then if she lied about things, accusing other people of doing stuff to her, it would get the attention and care of other people. I hope I explained what I'm trying to say, well, but that's kind of how I kind of saw this going down. Now. Amanda also had shared that same complaint about her dad sexually abusing her with Andrew at some point in that two week three week period that they knew one another, and she also told Andrew that she had been pregnant multiple times.

42:07 But I'm going to just let you know that there was never a baby born to her, nor is there a record of any abortion of an underage, you know, pregnant girl. So you decide at that point which you believe. But if there were multiple pregnancies, no children, and no abortions, I'm not inclined to believe it well. Andrew then confides in Amanda and says, well, I did have a girlfriend before. It was his coworker, I believe, and he fell in love with her and he got her pregnant from the get go, but he was very wounded by the fact that she had gotten an abortion. It hurt him deeply. Again, I'm not able to verify the truthfulness of that coworker having an abortion, but it is on record that that was actually stated that it did happen. So I just want to be clear that I'm not accusing or saying anybody did something that they did or did not do.

43:00 That's just the statements that were made. Police also found in their researching of this situation that there had been reports made recently by Terry and Alisa in the recent weeks because Amanda kept going missing. On one occasion, it did result in a formal police report. And what had happened was Andrew felt like, because everything that Amanda had confided in him, that he needed to save her from the abuse that she said was happening to her, and so they decided to run away together. But they only went a few miles down the road. They went to his grandma's house. So Terry and Alisa, realizing that they can't get in touch with her and they can't find her, they went to the police and they filed a missing juvenile report. Well, because of her age, she's too young to go missing. Tennessee sends out an Amber alert and it goes out quick saying we've got to look for this young girl. Well, it just so happened that Andrew's grandmother is watching television and she sees none other than the young girl that's at her house on the TV. Now, this grandmother obviously has common sense because when she realized that that was Amanda, and then on top of it, realized that she was fifteen years old, Grandma said, oh uh, not no, but hell to the no. And so she got Amanda's parents' number, called him and said you need to come catch your daughter. Because mama didn't want anything to do with this. So Amanda was returned home and

44:30 it ended I guess well, because Amanda didn't go missing, but a few days later she ran away with him again. Now this did not result in a police report, but I'm going to tell you that she wasn't gone for long. This is why her parents weren't stupid. Terry and Alisa were not dumb. They knew she was with Andrew. So Alisa did what any mama that's worth her salt did, and she started in those telephones and she got ahold of Amanda's friends, who then gave the number two some of Andrew's friends, and then she got him on the phone and said, I need his phone number, and I need it now, stop playing with me, And one of the friends realized she's not joking and gave Andrew's phone number to Alisa. So Alisa had been trying to call Amanda's phone, but she wouldn't answer it. So the more she's not answering, this, more scared she's getting. But she eventually calls Andrew and she explains to him because he answers, and she said, let me tell you something right now.

45:35 You will return her to my home in the next thirty minutes or this is not going to end well for you. You better bring her back, and you better bring her back right now. So using his brain for once, Andrew agrees and is like, look, you got to go back home. I got to bring you back home. Your mom's tripping' I got to bring you back home. But when he got there and they got out of the car, it was less than a joyful meeting. Terry was on glued. He lost his ever lov and shit that this man, this twenty one year old man, would take his daughter again. What is wrong with you? So he demanded that Terry give that. Andrew gives Terry his ID, and then he went around to the back of the car that awesome Volvo had told you about, and he took a picture of the license plate, and things continued to get heated.

46:30 The thing is, nobody exactly knows exactly what was said, but I think it went a little bit like this, let me tell you something, motherfucker, you come back to my house sniffing around my fifteen year old daughter, I'm gonna put a bullet in your forehead. Do not come back to my house. And it continues to escalate and escalate and escalate, but Andrew isn't backing down. Andrew is arguing back with him, and so they're getting to this this screaming match, and that's when Daddy Terry whips out his pistol and he tells a motherfucker within an inch of your life, if you think I'm kidding, I'm not, and he puts a gun to him and he says, you are twenty one years old. If you come back to this house, the police will be involved. You better heed my warning, little boy. Now, Terry, with all of this, obviously was hoping to scare him away, but because of what you probably already know, it didn't work. They wouldn't stay away from one another. After this gun incident, though, some realizations began to kind of come to light between the young couple and they started seeing some problematic things.

47:38 For one, Amanda told Andrew that she was pregnant and that was a problem. The two of them were super excited that she was pregnant, don't get it twisted. But the problem that they had is that it was beyond illegal. And Amanda said that if I leave with you again, Andrew, my dad's gonna call the police and then you're gonna get arrested and go to jail for statutory rape. So it was kind of compounding the problem. Now real quick, if you're not familiar, I want you to know learning moment. Statute means like law, and rape is going to be sexual intercourse without consent. I know that's not the technical definition, but just for the podcast purposes. So statutory rape is going to be unlawful sexual intercourse by law because the statute says she's too young. So I want you to understand what that means. So even if she was willing to have sex with him, the law says he is old enough to know better, and I would have to agree with the law. So this was a real consequence to the situation because now if he gets arrested, he could be a sex offender. So with that in mind, she was also upset because she's still telling Andrew it's getting worse. She said, my dad is hitting me daily and I'm afraid he's gonna hurt me or kill our baby.

49:05 But she begged Andrew, you cannot call the police. Do not call the police about the abuse because you're gonna go to jail because of the pregnancy. So the two of them felt really stuck in I would say the situation they caused, but they felt really stuck. So this is when they devised a plan that they were gonna finally just run away together. That's all they could do, and they were gonna be you know, living on a prayer whoa you know, that's stupid shit where people think that life's gonna work out. Okay, So Andrew decides that moment that he's gonna reach out to a buddy and see if he and Amanda can stay with him for a few days. The buddy, who still lives with his parents, asks his dad and says, Dad, I've got two friends they need somewhere to stay. Would you mind. Now that dad's name is John Bessontony, Andrew told mister John that he had been kicked out of his grandmother's house and that he had nowhere to go, and that he really just needed a couple of days to get on his feet for him and his girlfriend. He just needed a couple of days. Well, mister John listening to this and then talking with his son, which his son did vouch that that Andrew was a good guy. He vouched for him, so John said sure. John felt sorry for him and didn't want these you know, young adults just with nowhere to go. So they go and they get to stay the night at this house. So that same night that all of that happens, Andrew and Amanda and John's son,

50:35 they all went out to eat, they had drinks, they enjoyed the night together and nothing was a miss. The next day after that, they all went out and they rode motorcycles. They went on a motorcycle ride through the mountains, and then they went on a shopping spree. They went to places like Old Navy and shopping clothes and items, and they spent about eight hundred and nine hundred dollars between the two of them, Amanda and Andrew. The following day was a Sunday, and the two decided to go to church with John and his family. Now, the sermon that day, if you're curious, the sermon that day was out of the Book of Revelations, which is kind of interesting because that book details the ends or the events that lead up to the ends of time, and in that book includes final judgments and such. So just a kind of an interesting thing there going on at the church.

51:30 After that evening, they go back to the house and they're going to have a cookout. Mister John's marinating steakes, he's getting the barbecue bit ready. Andrew and Amanda were just hanging out in the kitchen and that's when someone yelled through their front door, is anybody home hello? Mister John, thinking that it's another friend of his son that's coming over for the barbecue. Yells yeah, front door's open, come on in, And next thing he knows, he's surrounded by a group of police officers standing in his kitchen as looking for his ID. So mister John's looking around, like, what the hell's going on here? Hands over his ID. He's like, look, the police were super super polite, but they were extremely firm and what they were asking for and so this must not be something small. But everybody's being quiet because nobody knows what's going on. Everyone hands over their IDs and the police are looking through the IDs.

52:22 Everyone gives their ID except Amanda. Now Andrew in that moment was taken into custody and he was pulled outside. But a female officer grabs Amanda, still standing in the kitchen and says give me your ID, and she goes, but I don't have an ID. And when that cop said why don't you have an ID, Amanda said because I'm only fifteen. John Bisantony almost fell out with a heart attack when that girl said she was fifteen years old. He was stunned by that, because I want you to know he was told she was nineteen years old. He's like, oh my god, I have a fifteen year old in my house with a twenty one year old sleeping in my house. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

53:07 He didn't want anything to do with this. But poor John now had a forensic team storming his house, going through everything he owns do an evidence collection, and he thought he was just grilling some steaks on a Sunday afternoon. So all of this happening on the same Sunday that the bodies of Amanda's parents were found, So this is all in the same timeframe. So I know you're wondering why did the police focus in on Andrew as a suspect Because the only police report they had was that amber alert incident that came that came up, and the grandmother had called in, not Andrew, So Andrew was never really kind of a big deal in that picture as far as the report was concerned. So what made them focus in on Andrew. Well, the answer is that somebody's conscience came into play, but it wasn't Amanda, and it wasn't Andrew. This would be that friend Rebecca that Amanda was best friends with. It turns out that when the bodies were found, the crime scene tape put up all around the house. Rebecca saw it happening and she knew immediately, oh my god, I have to talk to the police.

54:17 She walked up straight to that house, looked through the crime seed tape and said, I need to talk to a cop. And that's when one came up and said what's going on? And she started talking, and everything that she started saying would point directly to Andrew. So she told the police officers, look Andrew, which is the boyfriend of their daughter. He had been bragging in recent weeks that he was going to do something to Amanda's parents because they had a blow up in the driveway, which she then explained that blow up that had happened with the gun, and he was bragging, Oh my god, you know I'm gonna do something to her parents. And he was also bragging that he had a friend that was going to help him take care of the body. And he was saying all of this in front of friends of Amanda, which included Rebecca. So it was first hand that she heard this being said. So the thing now, though, whenever she was being told that was that Rebecca really liked Amanda's parents. She was fond of Miss Elisa, and she really liked mister Terry and so this was very alarming to her to hear that. But what tipped her over the edge about it was that three days prior to this problem at the house, Amanda asked Rebecca to bring something to Andrew for her. He was at a nearby gas station and Rebecca was going there, so she's like, sure, no problem, I can bring it to him because they couldn't meet up at the house because the parents didn't want them to be around each other. So Amanda handed Rebecca a purple Crown royal bag, but she said, do

55:49 not look in it now. This was the Wednesday, like I said, before the murders. So when Rebecca got to Andrew, he reaches in her car and he grabs the bag and Rebecca goes, what's in the bag because I wasn't supposed to look in it. And Andrew looks up with those big old bug eyes and he says it's a gun, and then he had a slow smile creep across his face. But that was not cool for Rebecca. She was not impressed, and she was scared but rather than confront Andrew about what was just said, Rebecca turned her happy ass around and she drove straight back to the house and she knocked on the door because she was gonna go warn mister Terry about what was going on. But when she got there and she knocked on that door, guess who answered it, Amanda, And Rebecca says, look, I don't know what's going on, but this isn't cool, and I want to talk to your dad. I want to talk to him now, Amanda, this is not cool at all. But Amanda's like, what are you talking about? What's going on?

56:46 And then she's able to just say, look, that is not gonna happen. Okay, he's just being Andrew's just being Andrew. And we're frustrated because I'm pregnant and my parents are not gonna accept this relationship, and so we're just kind of we're just freaking out right now, Okay, he's not gonna hurt my parents. And she was really convincing. She was convincing enough that Rebecca left without ever talking to mister Terry, and three days later Lights Sirens caution tape would prove otherwise something did happen to them. So using cell phone pinging technology, the police were able to locate Andrew's phone, which pinged at the Bisonsane residence, which is where they showed up and arrested him in connection with the murders. Now, Amanda being only fifteen years old, she was taken into custody, but she was brought to a juvenile facility pending the investigation and them trying to figure out what's going on. Police were just curious though, if what Rebecca said was true, how did a fifteen year old Amanda get a gun, first of all? And who would have sold it to her or who would have provided it to a fifteen year old? A fifteen year old got a gun to give to an adult who's twenty one. That's kind of a weird connection. But Rebecca's answer to this is kind of sickening. Amanda didn't have to go far to get it. She realized when that big blow up happened in the driveway. That's when she

58:17 realized that her dad had a gun. So when that happened, it got the ball rolling on the murderous events to come. The gun that was given to Andrew had been stolen by Amanda from none other than her own dad. Now, during the interrogation of Andrew, now that he's in custody, the full chain of events that resulted in Terry and Elisa's deaths started to be unraveled. First of all, during the interrogation, he admitted he took full responsibility for both murders. Good for him. I guess his explanation as to why he did it, though, was that he didn't want to lose Amanda. He was insistent, Look, I thought she was seventeen the entire time, and he said, we grew up.

59:04 We grew really close together, very quickly, because you know, she just needed somebody to talk to. And she was telling me that her father was physically abusing her, and she had a bunch of these other issues going on. And it wasn't until later on that he found out she was actually fifteen. When he found out that she was pregnant. Now he was tripping because it scared him because he's like, oh, my god, you're pregnant with my child, and now your dad is beating the hell out of you, and I don't want him to kill my baby. And so he was afraid that it might hurt the baby. A man of might get hurt or he was afraid that when her dad found out that he was going to force her to have an abortion. So he tells police, look, I didn't want to kill him. I just was trying to get her away from the verbal and all the physical abuse that was going on in the house, and so I was just trying to save her. And he also started talking about the events that took place the days of the murder, and part of that was that he said Amanda kept calling him his exact words, where she was calling me every thirty seconds, and she kept saying this is direct quote too, baby. This has to be done. This has to be done. And if you care about me and the baby and my belly, then you're gonna do this for us. If not, you're going to prison for rape. You have to do something. Well, this had a little bit of a different ring to it than Andrew, who was trying to take full responsibility for the murder. Amanda was now shifting from an underage victim to an accomplice because the more Andrew talked or spoke,

1:00:38 the worse it was looking for Amanda. Police also went and they spoke to Andrew's roommate and friend, Christopher who lived at his house. They wanted to know what did Christopher know about, if anything, about what was going on. This was that friend to remind you that had initially told Andrew, you need to stay away from this young girl. Not cool. Now though he seemed to know a whole lot more than what he was saying at first. So his name was Christopher Kirkland. He admitted that Andrew told him about how pissed he was that Amanda's parents were keeping them apart, and he also admitted that was because of their age, so it wasn't that he didn't know how old she was. He was just pissed that they couldn't be together. And so he's talking with his buddy Christopher, and he tells them that he is so pissed off he wants to shoot them. He wants to kill them, and the two of them even talked about the best way to kill the parents. Now. I don't know what kind of conversations everybody's having with their best friends, but I never had a conversation with my best friend about the best way to kill somebody. It's actually never happened.

1:01:45 And I talk about crime all the time. I've never planned out the best way to try to kill somebody with a friend of mine. That's weird. And then I guess Chris is a real friend because then he even says that he'll help them with it. Who inserts themselves into a double homicide like that? This is weird. I don't know the I don't know people like this, and if you do, y'all need to run. That is bizarre. So the morning of the murders, he wasn't with Andrew. Christopher was not with Andrew, but he said, I got a phone call from him, and shockingly, if you could even believe that, this is more shocking than what I just told you. Andrew was in Terry's bedroom and Terry was asleep. He hadn't shot him yet, and he explained to Christopher, look, he's he's looking away from me, and he asks him should I shoot him in the back of the head, because I can't shoot him in the front of the head. And Chris tells the investigators that he said, look, I don't know. I don't know what to do, and he just hung up the phone. Now, look, I'm a flash forward real quick for you, because I have a crystal ball and I know some stuff. But I'm gonna let you know that actually wasn't quite true when he initially told investigators that there was way more to it that would come out later on in the investigation and the court documents I read say that Christopher actually did talk to him about shooting him. He did just quickly hang up the phone. He said, yeah, shoot him in the back of the head. Now that may matter to you, it may not, but I'm just going to tell you. People lie, obviously to try to save their own skin. Here's an example of it. Well, later that day, Andrew called him back and he said, dude, come to the house. You got to come see it.

1:03:15 Terry's dead. Come see his body. So Chris went to the house and when he got there, Andrew started talking to him from the jump about how he was going to kill Elisa whenever she got home from work. And when asked why, you know, why are you going to kill Alisa, he says, well, it's because she's going to be a witness. She'll know what's going on here. So whenever he was being questioned, Chris tells police, I really feel like Andrew was the one that was calling the shots because while we were talking about it, Amanda kind of bucked back, saying, wait, I don't want to kill my step mom. Please, I don't think I want to kill my step mom. Well, as they're talking about it, that's whenever they're still walking. They go back to Terry's bedroom and they open the door. Chris sees the body and he's like, oh shit, and he freaks out and runs from the house. According to what he tells investigators, again, let me go to that crystal ball of something else that I know. And this isn't accurate either. He may have ran away from the house and gotten freaked out, but it wasn't just that black and white like oh no.

1:04:18 It was determined that he actually remained at the house for a little while, and that Andrew and him had spoken about whether they should pour bleach all over the bodies or not to try to minimize the stench of the rotting bodies in the hours to come. So there's a little bit more to it here. He's minimizing what he knew, but he did know some stuff. Now Amanda remembers she's still in custody too, So they go talk to Amanda to see what she's gonna say. And Amanda is the polar opposite of what her lover is saying, he takes all the responsibility in his interrogation. When they talk to her, she says, Oh, we've been plotting these murders for a number of weeks. She said their original plan involved things like battery, acid and all behold one other stuff that they were going to do, but that just was too much for them all to figure out.

1:05:03 So the gun just became the easiest thing, and so that was the plan that they ended up going with. And she also confirmed Andrew did call Christopher and asked where to shoot her dad in the head, which means she was there and aware of it, and that when he went back into the bedroom the second time to go put the bullet in her dad's head, he told her just go in your room and turn up your music. So she goes in a room and starts just kind of jamming out to some music while her boyfriend's in there murdering her father. Now, this all took place around ten o'clock in the morning while mister Terry was sleeping, and when he came out of that room after putting the bullet in her dad's head, was Amanda crying or was she showing any remorse for what had just happened, the reality that her dad had just been murdered. Well, let me tell you what she said to her baby daddy when he walked back out. She looked at him and said, well, baby, were one step down, one step to go. Oh, so I'll let you decide what you think at that point, she also then callously described what the pathologist in the autopsy believed to be the case.

1:06:12 She said that after he shot her dad in the head, he didn't die. She said that he laid in the bed making strange noises. This went on for so long that they both left at one point to go get lunch, to go get something to eat, and then they returned back to the house. And when they got back to the house, her dad was still in there, groaning and making all of these horrible noises that entire time. So she's like, we got to go finish this. This has got to you know, we need to go see what's going on here. But Andrew tells her, I can't go back in there. Like Andrew was kind of like sick about what had happened. I'm not saying that he you know, was, you know, all too sad to keep doing bad things.

1:06:53 But he just didn't want to go back and look at the body. I think we'd call that a puss where I come from. But anyway, he didn't want to go back into the house, and so Amanda just went back in and out of the house, back in and out of the bedroom on multiple occasions, just kept going in watching her dad, seeing if he was still alive. Why because she didn't mind his suffering. It didn't bother her that he was laying there groaning in mortal pain, because this was just a means to an end. She never called for help. She never even tried to help him or do anything. Really, She just kept going back in, hoping that he would hurry up and die because it was taking forever. And then she filled in the gaps on her stepmom's death. She picked up the phone when they got back from lunch, and her dad's not dead yet, he's groaning in pain. And she called her step mom, Alisa, to ask her when she would be home from work, and Alisa answered her around five. And then she said I love you to Alisa, who then returned I love you too. Before they hang up. I don't know about you, but that's a whole lot like an accomplice trying to lure an innocent victim back to the house, knowing that she was leaving a lamb to slaughter, knowing it full and well. There was an eight hour difference between the first bullet that went into Terry and the last bullet that went into Alisa when she returned home. Eight hours, so she put a Lisa pulls up to the house expecting to be greeted by Amanda. But when she comes

1:08:25 through the door, Amanda, that's when she's met with a gun in her face by the twenty one year old who has impregnated her fifteen year old daughter. It's just horrifying to think about all of this. So then this was around five o'clock when a Lisa walked through the door. He puts the gun up to her and he forces her to walk and sit down on the couch. Now, I don't that to me sounds like a home invasion on top of everything and terrorizing, because this isn't just like sneak up and shoot somebody. No, she knew he put the gun in her face. He forced her to walk in complete and total and utter fear in her own house and sit down on the couch, and she looked up at him and said, are you gonna kill me?

1:09:11 And he looked her back in her face and point blank said, yes, I'm gonna kill you. How scary was that she had no clue her husband was already dead in the back bedroom. So at some point during this happening, Elisa decided that she was just gonna make a run for it. She wasn't gonna sit there and just be murdered by this, by this bony little prick in front of her. So she gets up, musters all the courage that she has, and she tears off, running towards her kitchen. I'm assuming to try to get out of that back door. And Andrew chases her down and starts shooting her in the back twice. And that's when she collapsed on the ground and she was shot in the arm in the process.

1:09:54 And then she laid down and she bled to death, and she died. And then Andrew would add something in his own interrogation as well to this, saying, I guess Amanda forgot to say this part in her interrogation. But when she went in the kitchen after her stepmother was shot in cold blooded, just cold blooded murder. Amanda started laughing and looked at Andrew and said, two down forever to go. Well, that woman laid there and after that, that's whenever the two of them left the house. They went out to eat with the besonsony Son before they returned back to the house where the two dead bodies were.

1:10:36 Not the besonsony Son, I'm talking about Amanda and Andrew. They went back to the house. Why did they go back to the house. Oh, I'm glad you asked, because they wanted to go steal a Lisa's credit card, you know, the one that they used the next day whenever they went on that shopping spree and they spent the eight hundred and nine hundred dollars at Old Navy and then they went and enjoyed that motorcycle ride before they returned back to the besonsony home to have a barbecue when they were rudely interrupted by the police who placed him under arrest. So they also during this search, they looked in Andrew's car, just so you'll know, and in the glovebox, the very pistol that was owned by Terry stolen from him and then used to murder him, was found in the glovebox of the Volvo. Andrew Mann was indicted on the first degree murders of Terry and Elisa McGee. Christopher the friend. He agreed that he would testify against Andrew, but he did benefit from this. He would testify from Andrew at trial in exchange for no jail time for an accessory after the fact charge. Interestingly enough, though, for a teen girl who was willing to participate in a double murder of her parents, she doesn't come across as that bright because while she was waiting for trial and all of this at the juvenile facility, she was writing notes and mailing them to Andrew, who was sitting in jail awaiting his trial. And her notes seemed to reflect that she believed she was going to be getting out

1:12:06 soon because she was just a kid. But she promised when she got out and this all went away, that she would continue to write him in prison because you know, obviously he was guilty, like in her mind, she was just too young to be held accountable. One thing she said in her letter was I'm sorry I made you do it. End quote or beginning quote, end quote. I'm sorry I made you do it. Hmm. Doesn't seem like she's this victim does it? But the joke was on her because after a hearing that she went to, this is not a trial or anything. She just went to a hearing. A judge was going to decide at this hearing and deliberate on whether she should be tried as a juvenile or an adult, and she firmly believed in her mind she was going to be tried as a juvenile.

1:12:54 She was only fifteen years old. Well, well, the joke again was on her, because the judge did come back into that court room with visibly red eyes. You could tell that he had been crying. That judge was going through something back in chambers, trying to make some decisions, but he stood firm when he made his decision that she would face charges as an adult. Because this decision may have been hard for that judge, but he ruled in fact, not in emotion. So Amanda was immediately transferred to an adult court and we'd be dealing with this as an adult. She would now face the same charges as Andrew because her involvement in this was crystal clear.

1:13:39 And by the way, I want you to understand how big of a deal this was. If she would have remained in juvenile court, her max sentence would have only been about four years because then she would have aged out in adult court. That now meant means that she's going to face potential of life in prison without the possibility of parole. So this was a huge, huge ruling, and I can understand. I guess why that judge. This might have really been been hard for him. So Andrew would go to trial first, and his defense was that he said Amanda manipulated him. He cried in court. He recalled this lifetime of hurts and humiliations. He said, I don't know my dad. My dad was in prison, and in third grade I had anxiety and I was homeschooled because you know, of all the anxiety. And then when I went to school at Carnes High School, I struggled and I eventually dropped out. And then when I dropped out, my stepdad kicked me out and he didn't love me, and he didn't treat me like nim me me me me okay. Crimeaever, because although all of that hurt may have happened to him, they had multiple doctors that got on the stand and said, look, yes, this ass hat does suffer with some mental problems, and yeah, he's substant dependent, i e. He was a drug addict, and yeah, maybe he does suffer with some distorted thinking and he doesn't think right. But none of the mental health experts that got on the stand in the trial would say that he was incapable of forming premeditation or murder. They were like, yeah, he might be gonna fucked up, but he could still

1:15:12 do this. He wasn't that impaired. And it took a lot. The jury went back and they took all of this into consideration before they came back with a guilty verdict, and he was sentenced to two life sentences that will run consecutively, one after the other. My boy, so you're not getting out, and they slammed the bars behind him. Well, once Amanda realizes this is what happened to him, she decides that she's going to take a plea agreement. She pled guilty to two counts of second degree murder, and in exchange, she received forty five years twenty five years for the murder of her stepmom and twenty years for her dad, and those were gonna run consecutively. Now, eight and a half months after the murders, I do want you to know this. Eight and a half months after the murders, she did give birth to a baby, daughter that she named Serenity. The baby was immediately taken and put into foster care, and the foster care parents that took care of her eventually adopted her, and she has no contact with the baby. Neither does Andrew. So I don't know, guys. Maybe the laws are in place for a reason. Maybe maybe society does know better. Maybe kids don't need to be impregnated by adults for obvious reasons.

1:16:25 Maybe the rest of us aren't crazy. Maybe Terran and Elisa weren't crazy. Maybe it was them. Maybe Andrew and Amanda were the problem. And then, you know, add to this that this quote unquote man in this relationship is a damned junkie with mental problems. How could anything go wrong? How could this have even happened? You know? Maybe this is why we don't let children pick their lifelong partners, because their pickers ain't good at fifteen. Add to this that a twenty one year old adult thought that making a fifteen year old his spouse was a good idea.

1:17:06 No wonder this ended the way that it did, unruly disobedient teens like Amanda grow up to be selfish adults, and unfortunately, Terry and Elisa did the best they knew how to protect her, but she was too immature to see that she was creating a huge problem for herself that would result in a lifelong struggle that she was not ready for. But she wasn't too immature to have them killed. This whole situation was grown out of an illegal relationship with a child that resulted in a twenty one year old adult acting like a damned child when he didn't get his way, and then it ultimately resulted in the birth of a parentless child. Both Andrew and Amanda should be ashamed, age be damned. They should both be ashamed for their role in the murder of two loving parents. Amanda made her bed and now she's laying in it. As for Andrew, I'm gonna tell y'all I have his updated mugshot and he has not age d well behind bars. Some stuff hasn't changed. Though. He's still puny, he's still bony, he's still bug eyed. Just add some wrinkles to it. I mean, he may not be good at relationships or push ups or pull ups, but fuck ups.

1:18:27 He's got that one down Pat