Feb. 12, 2025

Tragic Consequences: The Murder of Terry and Elisa McGee

Tragic Consequences: The Murder of Terry and Elisa McGee

The episode delves into the 2007 double murder of Terry and Elisa McGee, highlighting their daughter Amanda's troubled bond with Andrew Mann and the tragic consequences of their manipulative relationship.

#AndrewMann #terrymcgee #elisamcgee...

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Season 7
The episode delves into the 2007 double murder of Terry and Elisa McGee, highlighting their daughter Amanda's troubled bond with Andrew Mann and the tragic consequences of their manipulative relationship.

#AndrewMann #terrymcgee #elisamcgee #unspeakable #podcast #crime #criminal #truecrime #tragicconsequences

Timestamps
11:38 Tensions Rise
15:21 The Teenage Years
19:53 The Meeting
21:55 A Dangerous Attraction
25:52 A Night of Horror
31:57 Investigating the Murders
39:12 The Accusations
41:46 The Runaway
50:53 A False Sense of Security
55:33 The First Confession
1:08:24 The Final Confrontation

Video, Sound and Editing for this podcast by the podcast experts at Envision Podcast Studios in Denham Springs, LA.

Executive Producer: Jim Chapman

Sources:
Mann guilty, gets two life terms
Cops: Pregnant Teen, Beau Killed Parents
Andrew Mann v. State of Tennessee :: 2015 :: Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals Decisions ::
(3) Video | Facebook
https://law.justia.com/cases/tennessee/court-of-criminal-appeals/2015/e2014-01524-cca-r3-pc.html



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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ You're back for another set of unspeak a ball?

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What is going on? How are you doing? I'm doing

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pretty good today. I'd actually I called into work because

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I don't feel good. But I'm still gonna record my

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podcast because you people need this. Y'all need crime in

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your life and to know what's going on. So I'm

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just not gonna let you down. Let me give you

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some shout outs for us. Start this case though. So

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I am starting in Dealing Florida with Carrie Raymie. What

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is going on? Carrie? All the way over there in Florida.

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I hope things are going swimmingly over there, but I've

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got some other Florida people here too. Let's see. I've

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got Sarah Killer or Killo from Ormond Beach, Ormond Beach, Florida.

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I'm sorry if I am trashing these pronunciations. I'm giving

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it hell. I'm doing my best. And then I've got

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Jeanette Grimes. Now she's from Melbourne, Florida. Jeannette, you may

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know my family because I spend about a week, maybe

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two weeks every year in Melbourne, Florida, right there in

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Indian Harbor Beach, because we have family that lives there

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and I love it there. And I'm sure you're familiar

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with the guy that has the big plant place that's

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really famous down there. I can't think of the name

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of it, but I got me a big old plumeria

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from there, and it's real pretty and all that kind

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of stuff. So hey, I know exactly where you are,

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and I'm stoked to have you join as a patron

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on my podcast and supporting me. And then let's see

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Lisa Moore Sandwich, Illinois. I hope that's a real place. Sandwich.

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I've never Jim, have you heard of Sandwich? You have?

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Have I said this? Did I double call out? Maybe?

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Maybe I did well, that's okay, She's worth it. So

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Lisa Moore, second shout out. If I've already done your name,

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I must have messed up somewhere If I didn't, though,

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But Sandwich, Illinois, that's pretty freaking cool. And then roseland

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a Bear from Boutie, Louisiana. What is going on? Roseland

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right around the corner, let's see we had a some

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more Louisiana here too, Sherriy Huggins in Port Berry, Louisiana. Hey,

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how you doing, Sherry? I actually have friends and family,

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not my family, but my friend's family that's in Port Berry.

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He used to go there every summer and I would

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arrive with his mama to drop him off at his

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daddy's house, so I know exactly where that is. And

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then we've got Anoka, Minnesota. Madison Jansen, what's going on there? Madison?

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How are you? I've done a couple episodes in Minnesota.

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I've never been there, but I know about crime there.

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I'm glad to have you. And then last, but not least,

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it's gonna be Jessica Adams from Brookhaven, Mississippi. What a

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great group of people. I'm so thankful to have you

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from all over the place join and support me. And

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it just I know I say it every time, but man,

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it just means so much when you have people that

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support you so much that they take their time and

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they're harder money to show you that they believe in you.

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So thank you, thank you, thank you. It means everything.

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And today I may not have had anybody on the

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list from Tennessee, but we're doing a case in Tennessee.

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Come with me to Knoxville, Tennessee. Now the year is

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two thousand and seven and this is the home of

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the McGee family. Once just a small duo of dad

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and daughter. Things were looking up for dad Terry and

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his daughter Amanda. Now Amanda was just fifteen and Dad

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was sixty, so there was certainly a large generational gap

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between the two of them, and as you can imagine,

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that would make parenting hard in a world that is

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changing just so rapidly from year to year. Almost it

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seems it's hard enough for older adults to keep up

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and even understand at times the ever evolving technology and

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the changes and apps and all this other stuff that's

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going on in our world today, not to mention the

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extreme difference between growing up like Terry did in the

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nineteen forties versus Amanda, who grew up in the nineteen nineties,

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first when I was researching this case, because I was like, damn,

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that's kind of a big difference, because Terry grew up

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in more of a leave it to Beaver and I

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love lucy timeframe. You know, the fifties was led by

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a time where the family had a masculine breadwinner and

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that man or that father's judgment, was the end all

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be all in the home. He could be caring, but

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socially it just wasn't acceptable to show weakness or emotional vulnerability.

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And that was also a time that the mom was

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meek and mild and submissive while rearing her children. She

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would rear males that were clean cut and charming, and

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the female children dreamed of finding a good husband. That

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was kind of the era that Terry grew up in,

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while Amanda Hers was just a stark contrast to that

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in the nineties. The nineties was more in your face

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and unapologetic and pushing social boundaries. Kids were gone all

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day long with few check ins with their parents, and

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Austin Powers, because I was curious Austin Powers was the

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film that was all the rage. And you know, I'm

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not a prude or anything, we know that, but Austin Powers,

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you know, is regular daytime television versus Leave It to Beaver.

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It's a little more edgy. And so I just that

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really put it into perspective for me as how big

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of a difference it was between father and daughter. Add

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to that situation that Amanda's mother was less than nurturing

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to her. To be frank, she wasn't anything to Amanda

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because drugs and prostitution were, unfortunately the reality for Amanda's

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mother or birth mother, and so Terry decided very early on,

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I'm not dealing with this. I'm not gonna have my

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baby girl be a part of this. So he decided,

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I'm leaving this relationship and he divorced the birth mother

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whenever Amanda was four. So Terry was very cognizant that

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he did not want his daughter to have anything to

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do with that type of lifestyle, and he vowed from

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a very young age of Amanda that he was going

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to protect her with everything that he had. And that's admirable.

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That's a good daddy. So Terry looks like he could

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have been Amanda's young grandfather if you're looking at photographs

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of them. He's tall, he's thin, he's got a gray beard.

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His hair is balding on top, but he's got a

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real full head of hair on the sides and in

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the back. And he wore big glasses that kind of

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looked like aviator sunglasses, but obviously with clear lenses. And

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he didn't overly smile in pictures. Now, he wasn't a grump.

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I don't want to, I don't portray him that way,

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but he wasn't a grumpy man or anything. He was

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just very mature and very chill for a sixty year old.

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Amanda looking at her, is a very average looking girl.

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She has straight brown hair it's just past her her shoulders,

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and most photographs she's got these really really thin, narrow,

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kind of slitted eyes and very strong eyebrows. She's plain

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and usually you see her without any makeup, but she's

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very age appropriate in her clothing and photographs and things

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of that nature. So he would raise her alone until

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he met the love of his life. Her name was Elisa.

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Two years later, so Amanda was six years old whenever

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they met, and the relationship between the two was an

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amazing one. And that's so awesome to hear a step

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mom or a woman comes into a young girl's life

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and she just gravitates to her with just wild abandon.

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I think that's amazing. And Alisa was she was an

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accountant to kind of tell you about her personality and

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her likes, and she was a very kind woman. So

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she would be introduced to Amanda. They took them to

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a red lobster. That's where they decided that they would

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do their formal introductions, and so the affection between the

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two of them was almost instant. They both really took

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to one another, and little Amanda, just six years old,

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would just talk her ear off that night, and Alisa

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would just eat up every minute of it. Because Alisa

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didn't have kids of her own, but she loved children

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and she was meant for the role of mama to

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this little girl. If you ask anybody, she just took

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to it. So Terry and Alisa would eventually move in

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together after about a year of dating, and Amanda would

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be glued to her hip. In photos you see that

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they are always cuddled up together on the couch, they're

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always smiling. Just the real fondness between them, you can't

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mistake it. It is absolutely real. And Amanda would even

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call her mom, which is a massive nod to the

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woman that came into her life and didn't have to

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be great to her. I think that that is a

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I mean, for someone to call you mom and you

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did not give birth to them is that's just a

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huge nod in my opinion. She helped her with homework,

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she cooked dinner. She was everything that Amanda needed and

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hadn't had for the first few years of her life.

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And after four years of living together, Terry and Alisa

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would get married because they wanted to make the family official.

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So they at first had said, well, we're just going

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to go off somewhere and get married. It's not going

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to be a big deal. But the family was just

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so enthralled with the situation that they didn't want them

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to do that. They wanted them to have a wedding,

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and so on May twentieth of two thousand and four,

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they were married in a small, you know, a small

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intimate wedding a family member's house. But it was very

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sweet and very meaningful for everybody that was there, Amanda

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took to Alyssa, like I've said, and that bond grew

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and grew and grew, and this would be her mother,

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her motherly figure, and there was no doubt about that.

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And it helped too that Alisa was twenty years younger

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than Terry. Alisa was only forty one, and so this

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age gap being smaller than between Amanda and her father,

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may have really proved to be the difference for Alisa

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to have a better understanding of the young girl as

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she grew into a teenager. So Amanda and her dad

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did not get along, and this is well documented. They

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did not get along. They could not see eye to

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eye on anything. Really. Terry, very black and white, known

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to be very strict and was raising her much like

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the times of the forties and the fifties. I don't

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find strictness to be a bad thing, though I don't

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want to seem like he was being, you know, overbearing.

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I don't think that's a bad thing so long as

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you have some give and take about it. But that

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give and take I don't think was as much Terry's style. Okay,

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so he loved Amanda, but he didn't It was kind

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of like his way or the highway seemed to be

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the way that he handled things. And this is where

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Alisa would come in and be so important because she

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would serve as the go between when dad and daughter

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would butt heads. She was great at diffusing arguments and

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helping them both to kind of meet in the middle

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and come up with a plan whenever things were just

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going south between the two of them. But no matter what,

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Alisa never wavered in her love and support of Amanda.

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That was her daughter and she treated her no different.

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So as the typical tensions of raising a teen girl

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you know, raised its ugly head, Alisa would remain the

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calm in that storm. She would continue to get of

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guidance and to love Amanda as she helped her to

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navigate the hormones and the massive array of emotions that

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we all probably know early teens, especially girls, are going through.

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Their hormones are insane, and Amanda was boy crazy like

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as soon as those hormones started pumping through her veins.

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By the age of twelve, she was boy crazy and

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her daddy knew it, as did the entire family. This

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wasn't something that was kept you know, hush hush. Amanda

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wanted to see boys. She wanted to start dating very young,

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and her dad was totally against this. Dating was out

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of the question, especially to twelve. You're not going to

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date somebody when you're twelve, And Terry was very firm

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in this. Maybe you know, he was afraid that she

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was going to turn out to be like her mom

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or something that nature. I don't know, but he kept

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a very close eye on her, and he wanted her

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to be successful in life, and he didn't want there

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to be any distractions that may get in the way

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of that. So the reality was that he was all

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always having to watch her really closely. Though, And when

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I say watch her closely, I don't mean like just

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because he didn't want her, you know, running off. I

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mean everybody in the family recognized that they had to

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watch her closely, Like if they were go on a

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vacation to the beach or go somewhere, Amanda would always

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be on the prow to go find the attention of

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a boy, and that the family had to work hard

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to try to keep her reined in and not just

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be an absolute boy crazy little girl. So while a

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Lisa didn't want her all over the boys either, I

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mean that wasn't her ideal situation. She would still try

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to remind Terry, look, we have to let her experience things.

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If we don't and we are just completely hard nosed

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about everything, and you're gonna be just completely strict and

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not give, she's gonna go wild and rebel. Terry like,

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there's gotta be a little middle ground here, And Terry

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knew he recognized he did have to give a little

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the older she got, but it wouldn't be much. And

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in Terry's defense, Amanda would hey things that most teen girls,

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I would argue, would probably try to hide from their parents,

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but not not Amanda. She was kind of out there

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with this. She was almost proud to claim that she

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was more experienced with boys than other girls her age.

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And the truth behind this so called experience, I honestly,

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I don't know. It's up for debate, but she certainly

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made it known that she was up for it whenever

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she was around teens her age, So I'm sure there

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was a lot of frustrations over this. Nobody wants to

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think of their daughter, especially young daughter, being hyper sexual

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around other teenagers. So maybe she was trying to be

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cool or whatever. I don't know. But it was very

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immature and it was off putting. It best to think

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that that would be her claim to coolness, would be

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very experienced at a young age with males. But by

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two thousand and seven Amanda was fifteen years old. She

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had grown into a typical teen who went to school

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and she loved to play soccer. She had lots of boyfriends.

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And when I say boyfriends, I don't mean like at

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the same time. I mean she had a bunch of

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really short term relationships. You know, they date for two

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weeks and then they break up the day for a

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month and they break up, And she always thought that

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she was in love with every single one of them,

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even if it was short lived. You know, a breakup

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after a week was a complete and total, just disaster

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in her life. But Terry was a strong figure in

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the household and he was a steady man too. And

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this goes even into his employment because he was a

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very successful man in the workforce. He had met a

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milestone recently that we all pray to meet one day

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and that's the big R retirement o MG or something

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hell right now going Oh my god, it's so far away,

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it's so far away. But we pray for that day

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that we hit retirement. And after dedicating twenty two years

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of his life to the Knox Cottage Company and rising

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eventually to the rank of vice president because he was

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good at what he did, Terry finally got to kick

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up his boots and relax. He was in retirement, and

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he did just that, y'all. Eventually he didn't even you know, now,

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he didn't have to set an alarm, he didn't have

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to get up early, so his schedule even ended up

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getting a bit backwards because there was no reason to

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go to bed early, no reason to set an alarm

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to get up early. As well, he actually became a

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complete night owl because of the change in his schedule,

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so it was typical that he would stay up all

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night and then sleep until noon the next day. It

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wasn't an issue. Though this was not a problem didn't

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bother Alisa because she was still working, so she'd be

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at work during the day and it wasn't like she

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was alone. She's at work with her co workers. She

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worked a nine to five job at Zyp Coatings in Oakridge,

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where she had been for many many years, a very

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steady job. So as the school year was wrapping up

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and that sweet, sweet summertime came around. Amanda was love

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to spend time with her friends. That's what teenagers do,

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those great days of summer, the relaxing, the nothing is scheduled,

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niceness of the day. That's just a dream come true

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for all of our teenagers. And of course they just

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want to have fun together. So Amanda's good friend, her

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name was Rebecca, and they had been close friends for

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a while, and Amanda was invited to go spend the

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night at Rebecca's. They were also going to go and

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attend a party. Now, Terry, the girls even said they

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were going to go to a party. Terry, as you

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can imagine, was not happy with that idea. You know,

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you go to spend the night, but I don't think

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you need to be out partying. But Alisa played mediator

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as she usually did, and she was able to negotiate

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an agreement between them. Now what that agreement is, I

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don't have that, but I'm sure it went something like this, Oh,

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let her go hang out with her friends. It's summertime,

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but you need to be home, you know, no later

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than midnight or no later than eleven o'clock. I don't know.

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She's fifteen, I would have said, you still have to

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be home by ten maybe nine. Okay, I'm a mean

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mom hashtag sorry my kids who may be listening. But he,

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you know, he he did come up with an agreement,

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even though I don't quite know exactly what the agreement was.

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And so the girls not only got to spend the night,

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but they got to go to the party. And there,

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wouldn't you know, Amanda meets a boy named Andrew Mann.

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Now Amanda was interested in him, although I'm gonna tell you,

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y'all know, I'm honest to gay or blunt, but I

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wouldn't say that he is a boy that is, you know,

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traditionally considered handsome. Okay, and that's not my nice way

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of saying he's fugly. All okay, this is not a

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cute kid, truth be told. Look, if I was gonna

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describe him to you, I would say that he's wimpy looking.

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He's pale. He's skinny, little bony, elbowed, crunchy little dude.

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He stands about five foot ten, maybe one hundred and

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ten pounds. He's got brown hair, and he's got really round,

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bulging eyes like he gots on big o' eyeballs, and

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his nose is really narrow and pointed, and his ears

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are really pointed, and they kind of like are pinned

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back tight to his head. And he reminds me of

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Grew on Despicable Me if he was skinny. That's what

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he looks like. To add to this, his personality isn't like,

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you know, some people may be ugly and all that,

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but their personality just shines through and you get it

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while they're attractive, once they start talking, you totally get it. Well,

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this is not Andrew because Andrew's personality he was kind

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of this awkward guy, a social outcast, extremely anxious personality.

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So I'm not sure what the attraction was. I guess

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is what I'm getting at. But Amanda was attracted to him,

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and that attraction would be even stronger when she found

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out he had a motorcycle. Not only did have a motorcycle,

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but he had his own house and a though I

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don't want to forget that part. So they're talking more

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and she's like, you know, well, how do you have

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all this stuff? He says, oh, well, I have a

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full time job. And she's like, what about your parents, like,

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and he said, oh, no, I don't. I don't. I

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live on my own. I don't have parents that I

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answer to. So I'm sure you're wondering what I was

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wondering in that moment. How could a kid have all

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of this afford a house and a motorcycle and a

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car and a full time job. I don't care what

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your job is. How are you affording all of that?

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Because it seems like a lie when you first hear

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the story. But guess what, he wasn't lying, y'all. He

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was one hundred percent telling the truth. The reason, though,

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is the issue I take with him. The fact was

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that he was not another young teen at the party.

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That was a bunch of young teenagers. Andrew Mann was

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twenty one years old. The cringe factor behind a twenty

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one year old hanging out with teenagers is something I

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just can't get past. That is gross. I literally, y'all

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know this. I get paid to be around teens day

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in and day out, and trust when I'm telling you

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that even money isn't a good enough motivator to be

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willing to hang out with them outside of the hours

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of school. Okay, the age gap is just too big.

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And I love my babies, if they're listening. I know

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a lot of my kids that'll teach listen to this podcast.

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I love y'all madly, but we don't have anything in

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common beyond loving one another and class. You know what

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I'm saying. I don't want to go to a party

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with you, and I don't think you want to go

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to a party with me. That would be weird. So

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his motivation to do that willingly is eyebrow raising at

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minimum to me, And it also tells me one of

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two things. Either he is incredibly immature as hell, or

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he is a manipulator who uses his age to get

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what he wants to look cool to young kids. That

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is how I and I'm not going to part from that.

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That's literally how I feel people who are too old

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go to parties with young people. But either one is

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a problem to me. But the night progresses. I wasn't there,

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neither was Terry. So the night progresses and the two

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can't leave each other alone. They are all about one another,

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and they make plans to hang out the next day. Yes, again,

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a twenty one year old is being flirty with a

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fifteen year old. Just for a perspective, in case you're

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young and you're you're not quite sure of the gap here.

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That is a ninth grader hanging out with a homeowner

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with a full time job. No freaking way, I don't

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get it. So they meet up on the premise that

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Andrew was going to teach her to drive because she

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didn't ever license yet, and Amanda wanted to learn how

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to drive, and he was very flirty with her from

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the start, and she was flirty back with him. The

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thing about this is that Andrew, from all accounts, did

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not have a lot of luck with the ladies. So

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this attention that he was getting from Amanda was not

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something he was used to, and he seems to be

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overly flattered by it. And that's why he is completely

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unfazed by her very young age. So while they are

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talking and they're getting to know one another, that's whenever

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he opens up to Amanda that his mom was fourteen

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years old whenever she got pregnant with him, and he

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says it was the result of a rape, and so

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his childhood was a bit spotty in detail. So I'm

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guessing through the lens of a fifteen year old girl.

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She's looking at Oh, I've got this older man that's

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interested in me because I'm different. And then he's also

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the wounded man right that I'm gonna swoop in and

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save him from his bad childhood. That's all I can

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figure is happening here. But after that outing to drive together,

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Andrew confides in another friend of his. His friend's name

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is Christopher. He confides in Christopher about Amanda, and Christopher

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looks at him and he's like, bro, you need to

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stay away from her. What are you doing? But Andrew

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just blows all of that advice off, and he continues

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to spend the next two weeks with her. All day long,

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he's with her, and I'm sure we can all guess

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what that was about, but hey, I wasn't there. This

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is merely speculation, but they did not depart from one

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another during the day for the next two weeks. At night, Amanda,

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I think, would go home, and that's why her parents

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didn't think anything of it or know that she was

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hanging out with a twenty one year old. Whatever was

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happening though when they were together was enough to make

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Andrew feel like Amanda should be his wife, because within

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two weeks of knowing her, Andrew proposes to a fifteen

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year old. Now this was complete with a real ring too.

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He paid a lot of money for it. It was

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at a real jewelry store, and he even brought Amanda

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with him to pick it out and when he paid

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for it. So, as you can imagine, Amanda now is

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over the moon that someone wants to marry her. And

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the issue though, she can't run home to Daddy and say, Daddy, look,

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I'm engaged. So if that were to happen, I mean,

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Terry would have an all out stroke. She might kill her.

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I mean, he might kill him. She didn't want to

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do that. She couldn't do that. But at one point

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00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.160
she had the ring on when she went home and

460
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.079
she was asked about that ring, and she told her parents, Oh,

461
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.599
it's just a joke. The ring's fake. I got it

462
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.359
from a friend of mine. Is it's no big deal. Well,

463
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.640
on top of that lie, Amanda began to lie a lot,

464
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.559
and Terry was very apprehensive because he's starting to wonder

465
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.200
is she turning out like her birth mother? This is

466
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.079
not good. We can't have this. She lied about everything, y'all.

467
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.480
She lied about where she was going, she was lying

468
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.880
about who she was with. She obviously was lying about Andrew,

469
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:54.480
and it goes on and on and on. Now, Friday,

470
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.000
June twenty ninth of two thousand and seven, Stepmama Lisa

471
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.240
had plans to go visit her sister her after work.

472
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:04.599
Her sister's name was Christy. She had been seeing Christy

473
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.200
after work for the last few days because Christy had

474
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.279
been pregnant and just gave birth to baby twin boys.

475
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.160
And I'm sure that was exciting, these two brand new babies,

476
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.720
and she was over the moon for her sister and

477
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.519
these new lives that were her little nephews right they

478
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:23.200
were coming into the family. So Christy had expected Elisa

479
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.599
to come and see her and the babies for the

480
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.559
first day home. But she didn't hear from her sister,

481
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:34.400
and for Alisa to do no call, no show was strange. However,

482
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.400
Christy had her hands full with her two baby boys.

483
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.920
She figured something must have happened, no big deal. But

484
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.680
by Saturday, Christy still hadn't in contact gotten in contact

485
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.519
with her sister, and she was really concerned by this.

486
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.960
They spoke, they were common, it was common for them

487
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.640
to speak to each other, so and she was expecting

488
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.480
her to come see her brand new nephews. I can't

489
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.640
imagine my sister not showing up to be having babies.

490
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.359
So she called all day Saturday, and she left messages too,

491
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.000
but none of those would be returned. So by Sunday,

492
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:09.519
everyone in Alisa's close family wanted answers and wanted to

493
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.359
talk to Alisa. So they sent a cousin over there

494
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.960
to go check on her. Now, this family was very tight.

495
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:16.880
I want you to know that, Like there's multiple aunts

496
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.920
and cousins and all of this, but they're very tight, okay,

497
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.640
sending one another over there to check on her. So

498
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.400
this cousin shows up and he knocks on the door,

499
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.240
no answer. So he goes around to the back and

500
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.240
he's knocking on the back, still no answer. And that's

501
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.200
whenever he goes up and he peers in through a

502
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.519
window on that door, and to his just horror, there

503
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.279
he saw Alisa on the ground, face down in a hallway.

504
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.799
So an aunt that had shown up at that point too,

505
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.359
she had her grandson with her. She says, kick down

506
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.000
the damn door, kick the door open. We've got to

507
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.319
get in there. We've got to help her. And so

508
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.799
he does, just as his grandma tells me, duey. He

509
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.200
busts through that door and they run into the house

510
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.400
and there they find Alisa shot in the back on

511
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.359
the ground. She was beyond any help and she was dead.

512
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.720
So they all started screaming for Terry and for Amanda.

513
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.640
Oh my god, Terry, Terry, Amanda, Oh my god, Terry.

514
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.000
And so they're screaming for the other one or the

515
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.960
other two, and they go down the hallway and they

516
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.319
come up to a bedroom door, and it was shut

517
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.960
so they couldn't see into the room. When they opened

518
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.680
that door, there, to their relief, Terry was there, but

519
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.440
he was asleep in the bed. So they run up

520
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.079
on him, Terry, Terry. But as they get closer to him,

521
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:38.480
they realize, oh my god, he's not asleep, he's dead.

522
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.640
His head was facing away from the doorway, the way

523
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.359
that the bed was up against the doorway. He was

524
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.119
looking away from the opening of the doorway, and when

525
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.599
they looked got closer, there was a bullet hole in

526
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.039
the back of his head. He too, was beyond any

527
00:28:55.079 --> 00:29:00.319
resuscitation or any help. So the ant mustard all of

528
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.839
her strength that she could and ran down the hall

529
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.279
to Amanda's room and she grabbed that doorknob, and she

530
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.559
said a little prayer, and she didn't want to turn

531
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.559
the doorknob because she knew what she was going to

532
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:16.240
find behind that door. She just knew it. So she

533
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:21.519
took a deep breath, and knowing full well what she

534
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.200
was going to find behind that door, but not wanting

535
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.480
to see it, she turned that doorknob and she pushed

536
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:34.079
the door open. But to her happiness, Amanda was not

537
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.119
in the room. So thank god she was nowhere in

538
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.599
the house. They looked for her. But if she's not here,

539
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:47.519
where is she and is she okay? They immediately called

540
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.319
the police, and the police arrived within minutes of the

541
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.599
phone call, and they verified that both of the victims

542
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.039
were well beyond any life saving measures and this was

543
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.960
now going to be a murder investigation, a double murder investigation.

544
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.599
So detectives are looking at the house. There's no sign

545
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.279
of forced entry. There's no sign of struggle in the

546
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.079
house either. It was a well kept house. Nothing looked

547
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.160
a miss Terry. Like I told you, he was lying

548
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.880
in the bed. He was flat on his back. He

549
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.440
had on a white T shirt and boxers like a

550
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.480
lot of people would sleep in. And he's in a

551
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:25.599
completely resting position. The blankets are pulled up, they're about

552
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.960
to his waist and his elbows. Because I studied the photo,

553
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.480
his elbows were resting on the bed and his arms

554
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.759
were resting on his stomach, just like he was asleep.

555
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.599
And his face, like I told you, was turned towards

556
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.000
the wall. He literally looked like he was sleeping if

557
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.279
you didn't know that he was shot. If you get

558
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.279
up close and you look at his shirt, there is

559
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.119
some blood spatter on his shirt kind of below his chin,

560
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:53.000
and his eyes are blacked out or they're blacked from

561
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.559
the violence of the gunshot to the back of the head.

562
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.200
Elisa's body was fully dry as well. There was a

563
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.240
towel partially covering her, and there was a rug underneath

564
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.720
her body. When they were looking at the rug, they

565
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.200
noticed that it had a slight, discolored, kind of yellowish

566
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:16.160
stain on this rug. And at that same time, while

567
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.400
they were looking, investigators smelled bleach, and so they came

568
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.240
to the conclusion that the bleach must have been the

569
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.960
cause of the staining on the rug, and further investigation

570
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.680
would lead to them finding a bottle of bleach in

571
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.640
the living room. So it's not rocket science. Here bleach

572
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:32.759
had been poured on her and it got onto the rug.

573
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.480
The house wasn't ransacked though, like I told you, and

574
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.400
nothing seemed to be taken. There was no money missing,

575
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.359
like nothing of value was missing, so police immediately ruled

576
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.880
out robbery as a motive of this double murder. But

577
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.200
the family is still freaking out because fifteen year old

578
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.279
Amanda is gone and nobody can find her and nobody

579
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.559
can get in touch with her. Where is Amanda now?

580
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.200
At the medical examiner's office, once the bodies arrived there,

581
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.079
the medical examiners were able to paint a picture of

582
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:08.039
what they thought happened to Terry and to Elisa. Terry's

583
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.319
autopsy showed that he had died as the result of

584
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.839
a single gunshot wound to the back of the head,

585
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.960
and the pathologist said he was he was laying in bed,

586
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.119
most likely asleep, when the bullet blew through his brain.

587
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.000
The location of the shot caused traumatic destruction of his

588
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.440
brain tissue as well as bleeding around the brain, and

589
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.119
whenever they were able to take out the bullet, they

590
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.960
identified this as a thirty two caliber bullet. So as

591
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.279
terrible as this is, to know that this man was

592
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.960
shot while he was asleep and defenseless. The follow up

593
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:47.000
documentation is what was really gut wrenching to me, and

594
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:48.839
that was that the shot to the back of his

595
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:56.480
head was not immediately fatal. The pathologists believed that Terry

596
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.599
probably remained alive for up to two hours, feeling pain,

597
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.960
but because of the massive brain damage that had been done,

598
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.839
he was unable to help himself, and he couldn't call

599
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.039
for help, nor could he get up or anything. So

600
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.960
the pathologist believed that he probably laid there, mortally wounded

601
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:23.240
for hours in complete and total agony before he finally

602
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.519
took his last breath. And while I'd never want anyone

603
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.880
to be shot, and i know people listening y'all know

604
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.559
that neither do you, but I would pray that if

605
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:37.240
someone were shot, that they would die instantly and not

606
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.960
lay there and suffer. It's just cruel to think that

607
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.680
that's what happened to somebody. And Elisa's autopsy was equally

608
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.799
as sad. She too had died from multiple gunshot wounds

609
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.200
of the same caliber. She had been shot, though in

610
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:55.440
the back and in the arm. Medical examiner again said

611
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:02.240
this death was not immediate and she bled out completely

612
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.039
is what seems to have happened here. And the pathologist

613
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.280
said that would have taken up to five minutes for

614
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.920
her to stop feeling pain. Okay, And I'm gonna tell you,

615
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.679
I don't care if it's thirty seconds, five minutes, five hours,

616
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.440
it doesn't matter to me. Someone was shot and they suffered, okay.

617
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.719
So she would have been laying there upwards of a

618
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.400
couple of minutes before she stopped receiving enough oxygen to

619
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.239
her brain to stop feeling the pain, and so she

620
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.039
too suffered. She suffered on the floor, aware of her

621
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.320
impending doom, but again unable to do anything about it,

622
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.559
unable to help herself. And she didn't have any brain trauma,

623
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.599
so she knew that she had been shot in the

624
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:48.559
back by somebody. So the question now becomes who would

625
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.920
want these two dead, who would actually follow through with it?

626
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.320
And then who is so callous that they would make

627
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.800
two people suffer in this way. I mean, it's just unbelievable.

628
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.360
So detectives would have to do more searching into the

629
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.920
lives of this family to understand who might have motive

630
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.119
for them to be dead. Now there had been an

631
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.320
incident in the past that would come to light, and

632
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.960
this incident was with DCFS. It started though at Amanda's school,

633
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.280
and it had been in recent years, and so they

634
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.559
felt that this may have been of some significance. Like

635
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.000
all teens Amanda back in the nineties right were passing

636
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.519
notes to one another or the early two thousands, passing

637
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.400
notes was the thing to do, and so she would

638
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.800
pass notes in class to her friends. And in those

639
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.119
notes it was common that she would voice her frustrations

640
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.840
with her home and she didn't like living there, and

641
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.960
she was always voicing that she was being abused by

642
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.440
her dad. Well, while in class, one day, a teacher

643
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.360
got aggravated saw in passing notes and she confiscated that

644
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.079
note from Amanda. When she opened it and she looked

645
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.800
at it, she said, uh, oh, this isn't good. And

646
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:57.559
then she took the mandatory reporter step that all teachers

647
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.000
have and she turned it over to the counselor's aw.

648
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.320
The counselor's office agreed that this, according to the note,

649
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.000
that this looked really bad and that this probably need

650
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.719
to be investigated, and so they made an official report

651
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.480
with DCFS about the contents of the letter. Now I

652
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.880
was unable to get a copy of that report. I mean,

653
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.760
it's it's you know, it has a minor in it,

654
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.159
so that's not going to happen anyway. But I did

655
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.320
see whispers online where I was googling. Again, I cannot

656
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.559
confirm that these whispers are true. I saw a couple

657
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.920
of things, but I will tell you that I did

658
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.280
see online in a couple of places that she was

659
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.159
accusing her father of sexual abuse as well as physical abuse.

660
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.239
But again, I want to be crystal clear that I've

661
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.840
never seen the note or the report myself. I'm just

662
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.159
repeating something that I saw online that may absolutely one

663
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.920
hundred percent be not true as far as the contents

664
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.960
of the letter go. But the DCFS report was real.

665
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.320
What I can confirm, though, is that when Child Protective

666
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.320
Services got involved, and they did, they went and they

667
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.920
did an investigation, and this even included calling Amanda out

668
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.199
of class to talk to her, and then they followed

669
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.559
up going to the McGee home and spoke to both parents.

670
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.840
And once that happened, the case was promptly closed out

671
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.519
and everything in the letter was deemed to be unfounded.

672
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.599
They could not find one ounce of truth to anything

673
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.320
that was said. In that letter, whatever it was, they

674
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.400
just flat out were basically saying she's lying. There were

675
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.079
no formal complaints made after this incident either, and it

676
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.760
seemed to just be a one time claim, a one

677
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.159
and done type of situation, and a few years would

678
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.599
pass with no major issues, so to speak. They just

679
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.719
kind of handled the situation and life went on. And

680
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.000
what look, while I know what I'm about to say

681
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.599
is mean, Okay, it's the truth. Amanda was a known liar. Okay,

682
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.119
her friends even said that she lied a lot. She

683
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.920
lied a lot, and this claim that she was making

684
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.320
was a really really big one. But she made up

685
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.960
lots of claims and there was never a shred of

686
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.400
evidence ever found and nothing ever backed up the claims

687
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.039
that she would make. And I know right now because

688
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.440
I try to be I try to be well, I

689
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.239
guess well thought out whenever I say things on the podcast.

690
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.519
But I want to, I want to, I want to

691
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.800
address this. I know I probably have some knee jerk

692
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.719
reactions right now from some listeners. I don't know if

693
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.800
maybe you have sexual trauma in your past, or maybe

694
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.079
you're just more inclined to believe that maybe she's telling

695
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.480
the truth. Whatever that reaction might be. You know, oh

696
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.800
my god, what if it was true? Why would she

697
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.920
lie about that, especially her own dad. Well, I want

698
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.119
to tell you, just briefly, an experience that I'm aware

699
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.480
of that happened in my real life, not my personal life,

700
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.639
I'm sorry, but a friend of mine's personal personal life

701
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.559
that I know is a true case that that I

702
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.599
think kind of applies here. So, my friend was a

703
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.880
cue of sexual abuse by his own daughter. And this

704
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:11.920
was completely and totally crushing, life changing, devastating to this man.

705
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:17.400
And when it was all said and done, her her

706
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.320
sexual abuse claims that were very graphic, very detailed, turned

707
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.519
out to be absolutely one hundred percent false. He was

708
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:32.199
even this got deep with police and everything. This was tough,

709
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.559
and so when it was all sudden done, basically, the

710
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.840
young teen girl, his daughter, said basically that her goal

711
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:39.880
was that she wanted to be free of him so

712
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.079
that she could go do whatever she wanted to do.

713
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.400
And at one point his daughter was even sent to

714
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.360
a home for troubled kids where they were constantly seeing

715
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.800
a psychiat psychiatrist that was there, and even the psychiatrist

716
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.960
at the home where she stayed temporarily diagnosed her as

717
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.800
a compulsive liar and that her stories never aligned and

718
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.800
they constantly changed things that wouldn't change within stories. And

719
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.360
part of this was that that child I'm talking about

720
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.840
she was a little intellectually behind when she was younger.

721
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.199
Her mother had ignored all of this because she just

722
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.000
didn't want to believe it. And the thought process here

723
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.559
was that maybe that contributed to it, because this child

724
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.079
I'm talking about wanted to do whatever she wanted to do,

725
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.480
and even though she was behind a little bit intellectually,

726
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.719
she was still able to manipulate for her own gain.

727
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.039
I hope you're following what I'm trying to say here,

728
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.400
And so in my mind, knowing that that really did happen,

729
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.840
and people do make false claims, including young girls do

730
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.000
make false claims. Although I know a lot of people

731
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.679
make true claims and kids do get abused, I'm not

732
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.320
ignoring that, but in my mind, what's happening here kind

733
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.239
of I thought of that story. It's like maybe Amanda

734
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.719
lacked that maternal bond that we all have growing up

735
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.079
with a mother or a mother figure in our life

736
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.119
from get from the jump, she lacked that bonding ability

737
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:11.800
as a young child and when Alisa came into her life,

738
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:16.440
that initial bonding period wasn't there because you know, she's

739
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.239
four years in, six years in, and so to me,

740
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.840
maybe that played a role in all of the lying

741
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.320
that Amanda was doing because she wanted her mother to care.

742
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.159
And the reality is Amanda's mother didn't care her birth mother.

743
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.880
But she figured out that if she couldn't make her

744
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.440
mom care, then if she lied about things, accusing other

745
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.559
people of doing stuff to her, it would get the

746
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.400
attention and care of other people. I hope I explained

747
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.400
what I'm trying to say, well, but that's kind of

748
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.519
how I kind of saw this going down. Now. Amanda

749
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.920
also had shared that same complaint about her dad sexually

750
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.760
abusing her with Andrew at some point in that two

751
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.159
week three week period that they knew one another, and

752
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.639
she also told Andrew that she had been pregnant multiple times.

753
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.480
But I'm going to just let you know that there

754
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.559
was never a baby born to her, nor is there

755
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.800
a record of any abortion of an underage, you know,

756
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.719
pregnant girl. So you decide at that point which you believe.

757
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.719
But if there were multiple pregnancies, no children, and no abortions,

758
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:26.880
I'm not inclined to believe it well. Andrew then confides

759
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.079
in Amanda and says, well, I did have a girlfriend before.

760
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.480
It was his coworker, I believe, and he fell in

761
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.639
love with her and he got her pregnant from the

762
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.480
get go, but he was very wounded by the fact

763
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.199
that she had gotten an abortion. It hurt him deeply. Again,

764
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.440
I'm not able to verify the truthfulness of that coworker

765
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:52.519
having an abortion, but it is on record that that

766
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.119
was actually stated that it did happen. So I just

767
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:57.800
want to be clear that I'm not accusing or saying

768
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.880
anybody did something that they did or did not do.

769
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.840
That's just the statements that were made. Police also found

770
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.800
in their researching of this situation that there had been

771
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.920
reports made recently by Terry and Alisa in the recent

772
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:17.800
weeks because Amanda kept going missing. On one occasion, it

773
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.920
did result in a formal police report. And what had

774
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.199
happened was Andrew felt like, because everything that Amanda had

775
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.760
confided in him, that he needed to save her from

776
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.119
the abuse that she said was happening to her, and

777
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.559
so they decided to run away together. But they only

778
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.239
went a few miles down the road. They went to

779
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.280
his grandma's house. So Terry and Alisa, realizing that they

780
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.000
can't get in touch with her and they can't find her,

781
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.079
they went to the police and they filed a missing

782
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.400
juvenile report. Well, because of her age, she's too young

783
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.519
to go missing. Tennessee sends out an Amber alert and

784
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.840
it goes out quick saying we've got to look for

785
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.639
this young girl. Well, it just so happened that Andrew's

786
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:02.400
grandmother is watching television and she sees none other than

787
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.360
the young girl that's at her house on the TV. Now,

788
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.199
this grandmother obviously has common sense because when she realized

789
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.440
that that was Amanda, and then on top of it,

790
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.159
realized that she was fifteen years old, Grandma said, oh uh,

791
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.000
not no, but hell to the no. And so she

792
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.960
got Amanda's parents' number, called him and said you need

793
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:26.519
to come catch your daughter. Because mama didn't want anything

794
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:30.119
to do with this. So Amanda was returned home and

795
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.400
it ended I guess well, because Amanda didn't go missing,

796
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.360
but a few days later she ran away with him again.

797
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.119
Now this did not result in a police report, but

798
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.320
I'm going to tell you that she wasn't gone for long.

799
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.800
This is why her parents weren't stupid. Terry and Alisa

800
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.199
were not dumb. They knew she was with Andrew. So

801
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.880
Alisa did what any mama that's worth her salt did,

802
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.039
and she started in those telephones and she got ahold

803
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.719
of Amanda's friends, who then gave the number two some

804
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.480
of Andrew's friends, and then she got him on the

805
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.719
phone and said, I need his phone number, and I

806
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.320
need it now, stop playing with me, And one of

807
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.920
the friends realized she's not joking and gave Andrew's phone

808
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.519
number to Alisa. So Alisa had been trying to call

809
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.880
Amanda's phone, but she wouldn't answer it. So the more

810
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.960
she's not answering, this, more scared she's getting. But she

811
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.639
eventually calls Andrew and she explains to him because he answers,

812
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.920
and she said, let me tell you something right now.

813
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.159
You will return her to my home in the next

814
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.480
thirty minutes or this is not going to end well

815
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.480
for you. You better bring her back, and you better

816
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.480
bring her back right now. So using his brain for once,

817
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.840
Andrew agrees and is like, look, you got to go

818
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.599
back home. I got to bring you back home. Your

819
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.320
mom's tripping' I got to bring you back home. But

820
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.239
when he got there and they got out of the car,

821
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.760
it was less than a joyful meeting. Terry was on glued.

822
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.719
He lost his ever lov and shit that this man,

823
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.039
this twenty one year old man, would take his daughter again.

824
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:18.519
What is wrong with you? So he demanded that Terry

825
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.199
give that. Andrew gives Terry his ID, and then he

826
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.920
went around to the back of the car that awesome

827
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:25.760
Volvo had told you about, and he took a picture

828
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.920
of the license plate, and things continued to get heated.

829
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.039
The thing is, nobody exactly knows exactly what was said,

830
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.840
but I think it went a little bit like this,

831
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.519
let me tell you something, motherfucker, you come back to

832
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.239
my house sniffing around my fifteen year old daughter, I'm

833
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.159
gonna put a bullet in your forehead. Do not come

834
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.199
back to my house. And it continues to escalate and

835
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.880
escalate and escalate, but Andrew isn't backing down. Andrew is

836
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.039
arguing back with him, and so they're getting to this

837
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.760
this screaming match, and that's when Daddy Terry whips out

838
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.199
his pistol and he tells a motherfucker within an inch

839
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.599
of your life, if you think I'm kidding, I'm not,

840
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:06.679
and he puts a gun to him and he says,

841
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.960
you are twenty one years old. If you come back

842
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.920
to this house, the police will be involved. You better

843
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.639
heed my warning, little boy. Now, Terry, with all of this,

844
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.119
obviously was hoping to scare him away, but because of

845
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.599
what you probably already know, it didn't work. They wouldn't

846
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.559
stay away from one another. After this gun incident, though,

847
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.440
some realizations began to kind of come to light between

848
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.199
the young couple and they started seeing some problematic things.

849
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:46.679
For one, Amanda told Andrew that she was pregnant and

850
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.519
that was a problem. The two of them were super

851
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.400
excited that she was pregnant, don't get it twisted. But

852
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.199
the problem that they had is that it was beyond illegal.

853
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.079
And Amanda said that if I leave with you again, Andrew,

854
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.480
my dad's gonna call the police and then you're gonna

855
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.559
get arrested and go to jail for statutory rape. So

856
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.159
it was kind of compounding the problem. Now real quick,

857
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.599
if you're not familiar, I want you to know learning moment.

858
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.639
Statute means like law, and rape is going to be

859
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.400
sexual intercourse without consent. I know that's not the technical definition,

860
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:26.119
but just for the podcast purposes. So statutory rape is

861
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:30.199
going to be unlawful sexual intercourse by law because the

862
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.000
statute says she's too young. So I want you to

863
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.800
understand what that means. So even if she was willing

864
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.559
to have sex with him, the law says he is

865
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.239
old enough to know better, and I would have to

866
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.639
agree with the law. So this was a real consequence

867
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.719
to the situation because now if he gets arrested, he

868
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:53.440
could be a sex offender. So with that in mind,

869
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.360
she was also upset because she's still telling Andrew it's

870
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.400
getting worse. She said, my dad is hitting me daily

871
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.239
and I'm afraid he's gonna hurt me or kill our baby.

872
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.079
But she begged Andrew, you cannot call the police. Do

873
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.360
not call the police about the abuse because you're gonna

874
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.159
go to jail because of the pregnancy. So the two

875
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.239
of them felt really stuck in I would say the

876
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:21.159
situation they caused, but they felt really stuck. So this

877
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.559
is when they devised a plan that they were gonna

878
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.480
finally just run away together. That's all they could do,

879
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.079
and they were gonna be you know, living on a

880
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.320
prayer whoa you know, that's stupid shit where people think

881
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.440
that life's gonna work out. Okay, So Andrew decides that

882
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.840
moment that he's gonna reach out to a buddy and

883
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.800
see if he and Amanda can stay with him for

884
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.239
a few days. The buddy, who still lives with his parents,

885
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.880
asks his dad and says, Dad, I've got two friends

886
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.320
they need somewhere to stay. Would you mind. Now that

887
00:49:54.440 --> 00:50:02.480
dad's name is John Bessontony, Andrew told mister John that

888
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.440
he had been kicked out of his grandmother's house and

889
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.519
that he had nowhere to go, and that he really

890
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.039
just needed a couple of days to get on his

891
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.079
feet for him and his girlfriend. He just needed a

892
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:14.320
couple of days. Well, mister John listening to this and

893
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.719
then talking with his son, which his son did vouch

894
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.239
that that Andrew was a good guy. He vouched for him,

895
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.760
so John said sure. John felt sorry for him and

896
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.320
didn't want these you know, young adults just with nowhere

897
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.920
to go. So they go and they get to stay

898
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.679
the night at this house. So that same night that

899
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.440
all of that happens, Andrew and Amanda and John's son,

900
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.239
they all went out to eat, they had drinks, they

901
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.760
enjoyed the night together and nothing was a miss. The

902
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.119
next day after that, they all went out and they

903
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.960
rode motorcycles. They went on a motorcycle ride through the mountains,

904
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.360
and then they went on a shopping spree. They went

905
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.039
to places like Old Navy and shopping clothes and items,

906
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.320
and they spent about eight hundred and nine hundred dollars

907
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:01.880
between the two of them, Amanda and Andrew. The following

908
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.920
day was a Sunday, and the two decided to go

909
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.199
to church with John and his family. Now, the sermon

910
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:10.960
that day, if you're curious, the sermon that day was

911
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.960
out of the Book of Revelations, which is kind of

912
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.960
interesting because that book details the ends or the events

913
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.760
that lead up to the ends of time, and in

914
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.039
that book includes final judgments and such. So just a

915
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.639
kind of an interesting thing there going on at the church.

916
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.000
After that evening, they go back to the house and

917
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.440
they're going to have a cookout. Mister John's marinating steakes,

918
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.559
he's getting the barbecue bit ready. Andrew and Amanda were

919
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.320
just hanging out in the kitchen and that's when someone

920
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:47.119
yelled through their front door, is anybody home hello? Mister John,

921
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.159
thinking that it's another friend of his son that's coming

922
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.800
over for the barbecue. Yells yeah, front door's open, come

923
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:56.920
on in, And next thing he knows, he's surrounded by

924
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.880
a group of police officers standing in his kitchen as

925
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.920
looking for his ID. So mister John's looking around, like,

926
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.559
what the hell's going on here? Hands over his ID.

927
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.079
He's like, look, the police were super super polite, but

928
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.599
they were extremely firm and what they were asking for

929
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.400
and so this must not be something small. But everybody's

930
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.679
being quiet because nobody knows what's going on. Everyone hands

931
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.079
over their IDs and the police are looking through the IDs.

932
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.400
Everyone gives their ID except Amanda. Now Andrew in that

933
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.159
moment was taken into custody and he was pulled outside.

934
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.199
But a female officer grabs Amanda, still standing in the

935
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.960
kitchen and says give me your ID, and she goes,

936
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.480
but I don't have an ID. And when that cop

937
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.719
said why don't you have an ID, Amanda said because

938
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:46.760
I'm only fifteen. John Bisantony almost fell out with a

939
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.239
heart attack when that girl said she was fifteen years old.

940
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.599
He was stunned by that, because I want you to

941
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.880
know he was told she was nineteen years old. He's like,

942
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.599
oh my god, I have a fifteen year old in

943
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.719
my house with a twenty one year old sleeping in

944
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.039
my house. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

945
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.760
He didn't want anything to do with this. But poor

946
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.280
John now had a forensic team storming his house, going

947
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.800
through everything he owns do an evidence collection, and he

948
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.360
thought he was just grilling some steaks on a Sunday afternoon.

949
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:24.639
So all of this happening on the same Sunday that

950
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.119
the bodies of Amanda's parents were found, So this is

951
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.199
all in the same timeframe. So I know you're wondering

952
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.079
why did the police focus in on Andrew as a

953
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.679
suspect Because the only police report they had was that

954
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.760
amber alert incident that came that came up, and the

955
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.480
grandmother had called in, not Andrew, So Andrew was never

956
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.760
really kind of a big deal in that picture as

957
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.119
far as the report was concerned. So what made them

958
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:53.480
focus in on Andrew. Well, the answer is that somebody's

959
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.960
conscience came into play, but it wasn't Amanda, and it

960
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.159
wasn't Andrew. This would be that friend Rebecca that Amanda

961
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.920
was best friends with. It turns out that when the

962
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.119
bodies were found, the crime scene tape put up all

963
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.880
around the house. Rebecca saw it happening and she knew immediately,

964
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.159
oh my god, I have to talk to the police.

965
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.920
She walked up straight to that house, looked through the

966
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:22.760
crime seed tape and said, I need to talk to

967
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.320
a cop. And that's when one came up and said

968
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.400
what's going on? And she started talking, and everything that

969
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:35.039
she started saying would point directly to Andrew. So she

970
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.000
told the police officers, look Andrew, which is the boyfriend

971
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.599
of their daughter. He had been bragging in recent weeks

972
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.280
that he was going to do something to Amanda's parents

973
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.039
because they had a blow up in the driveway, which

974
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.880
she then explained that blow up that had happened with

975
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.639
the gun, and he was bragging, Oh my god, you

976
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:57.400
know I'm gonna do something to her parents. And he

977
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.440
was also bragging that he had a friend that was

978
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.199
going to help him take care of the body. And

979
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.679
he was saying all of this in front of friends

980
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.360
of Amanda, which included Rebecca. So it was first hand

981
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:11.239
that she heard this being said. So the thing now, though,

982
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:14.280
whenever she was being told that was that Rebecca really

983
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.079
liked Amanda's parents. She was fond of Miss Elisa, and

984
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:20.679
she really liked mister Terry and so this was very

985
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.159
alarming to her to hear that. But what tipped her

986
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:26.880
over the edge about it was that three days prior

987
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:32.480
to this problem at the house, Amanda asked Rebecca to

988
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.920
bring something to Andrew for her. He was at a

989
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.639
nearby gas station and Rebecca was going there, so she's like, sure,

990
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.199
no problem, I can bring it to him because they

991
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.760
couldn't meet up at the house because the parents didn't

992
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.199
want them to be around each other. So Amanda handed

993
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.440
Rebecca a purple Crown royal bag, but she said, do

994
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.719
not look in it now. This was the Wednesday, like

995
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.119
I said, before the murders. So when Rebecca got to Andrew,

996
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.960
he reaches in her car and he grabs the bag

997
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.559
and Rebecca goes, what's in the bag because I wasn't

998
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:05.119
supposed to look in it. And Andrew looks up with

999
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.320
those big old bug eyes and he says it's a gun,

1000
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.559
and then he had a slow smile creep across his face.

1001
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.360
But that was not cool for Rebecca. She was not impressed,

1002
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.000
and she was scared but rather than confront Andrew about

1003
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.239
what was just said, Rebecca turned her happy ass around

1004
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.639
and she drove straight back to the house and she

1005
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.920
knocked on the door because she was gonna go warn

1006
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.440
mister Terry about what was going on. But when she

1007
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.719
got there and she knocked on that door, guess who

1008
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.639
answered it, Amanda, And Rebecca says, look, I don't know

1009
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.000
what's going on, but this isn't cool, and I want

1010
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.400
to talk to your dad. I want to talk to

1011
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:44.239
him now, Amanda, this is not cool at all. But

1012
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.960
Amanda's like, what are you talking about? What's going on?

1013
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.320
And then she's able to just say, look, that is

1014
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.079
not gonna happen. Okay, he's just being Andrew's just being Andrew.

1015
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:58.800
And we're frustrated because I'm pregnant and my parents are

1016
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.880
not gonna accept this relationship, and so we're just kind

1017
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.519
of we're just freaking out right now, Okay, he's not

1018
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.639
gonna hurt my parents. And she was really convincing. She

1019
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.280
was convincing enough that Rebecca left without ever talking to

1020
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:17.440
mister Terry, and three days later Lights Sirens caution tape

1021
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:23.119
would prove otherwise something did happen to them. So using

1022
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.280
cell phone pinging technology, the police were able to locate

1023
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:31.199
Andrew's phone, which pinged at the Bisonsane residence, which is

1024
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.400
where they showed up and arrested him in connection with

1025
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.639
the murders. Now, Amanda being only fifteen years old, she

1026
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.519
was taken into custody, but she was brought to a

1027
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.400
juvenile facility pending the investigation and them trying to figure

1028
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.159
out what's going on. Police were just curious though, if

1029
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.039
what Rebecca said was true, how did a fifteen year

1030
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:54.159
old Amanda get a gun, first of all? And who

1031
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.880
would have sold it to her or who would have

1032
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.039
provided it to a fifteen year old? A fifteen year

1033
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.800
old got a gun to give to an adult who's

1034
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.360
twenty one. That's kind of a weird connection. But Rebecca's

1035
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:09.639
answer to this is kind of sickening. Amanda didn't have

1036
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.599
to go far to get it. She realized when that

1037
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.400
big blow up happened in the driveway. That's when she

1038
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.880
realized that her dad had a gun. So when that happened,

1039
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.800
it got the ball rolling on the murderous events to come.

1040
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.119
The gun that was given to Andrew had been stolen

1041
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.360
by Amanda from none other than her own dad. Now,

1042
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.960
during the interrogation of Andrew, now that he's in custody,

1043
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.119
the full chain of events that resulted in Terry and

1044
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.440
Elisa's deaths started to be unraveled. First of all, during

1045
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.880
the interrogation, he admitted he took full responsibility for both murders.

1046
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.719
Good for him. I guess his explanation as to why

1047
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.239
he did it, though, was that he didn't want to

1048
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.599
lose Amanda. He was insistent, Look, I thought she was

1049
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.960
seventeen the entire time, and he said, we grew up.

1050
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.920
We grew really close together, very quickly, because you know,

1051
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.360
she just needed somebody to talk to. And she was

1052
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.119
telling me that her father was physically abusing her, and

1053
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.960
she had a bunch of these other issues going on.

1054
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:18.840
And it wasn't until later on that he found out

1055
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.440
she was actually fifteen. When he found out that she

1056
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.920
was pregnant. Now he was tripping because it scared him

1057
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.000
because he's like, oh, my god, you're pregnant with my child,

1058
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.440
and now your dad is beating the hell out of you,

1059
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.079
and I don't want him to kill my baby. And

1060
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.079
so he was afraid that it might hurt the baby.

1061
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.239
A man of might get hurt or he was afraid

1062
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:42.639
that when her dad found out that he was going

1063
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.960
to force her to have an abortion. So he tells police, look,

1064
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.840
I didn't want to kill him. I just was trying

1065
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:49.840
to get her away from the verbal and all the

1066
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.840
physical abuse that was going on in the house, and

1067
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:54.480
so I was just trying to save her. And he

1068
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.559
also started talking about the events that took place the

1069
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.239
days of the murder, and part of that was that

1070
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.280
he said Amanda kept calling him his exact words, where

1071
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.519
she was calling me every thirty seconds, and she kept

1072
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.599
saying this is direct quote too, baby. This has to

1073
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.119
be done. This has to be done. And if you

1074
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.599
care about me and the baby and my belly, then

1075
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.519
you're gonna do this for us. If not, you're going

1076
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.760
to prison for rape. You have to do something. Well,

1077
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.400
this had a little bit of a different ring to

1078
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:27.519
it than Andrew, who was trying to take full responsibility

1079
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:31.239
for the murder. Amanda was now shifting from an underage

1080
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:37.119
victim to an accomplice because the more Andrew talked or spoke,

1081
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:43.760
the worse it was looking for Amanda. Police also went

1082
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:47.159
and they spoke to Andrew's roommate and friend, Christopher who

1083
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.599
lived at his house. They wanted to know what did

1084
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.960
Christopher know about, if anything, about what was going on.

1085
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:56.119
This was that friend to remind you that had initially

1086
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.360
told Andrew, you need to stay away from this young girl.

1087
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:04.920
Not cool. Now though he seemed to know a whole

1088
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:08.760
lot more than what he was saying at first. So

1089
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.440
his name was Christopher Kirkland. He admitted that Andrew told

1090
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.519
him about how pissed he was that Amanda's parents were

1091
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.639
keeping them apart, and he also admitted that was because

1092
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.760
of their age, so it wasn't that he didn't know

1093
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.159
how old she was. He was just pissed that they

1094
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.480
couldn't be together. And so he's talking with his buddy Christopher,

1095
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.559
and he tells them that he is so pissed off

1096
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:31.320
he wants to shoot them. He wants to kill them,

1097
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.719
and the two of them even talked about the best

1098
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.320
way to kill the parents. Now. I don't know what

1099
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.800
kind of conversations everybody's having with their best friends, but

1100
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.079
I never had a conversation with my best friend about

1101
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.559
the best way to kill somebody. It's actually never happened.

1102
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.440
And I talk about crime all the time. I've never

1103
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.000
planned out the best way to try to kill somebody

1104
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.519
with a friend of mine. That's weird. And then I

1105
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:55.880
guess Chris is a real friend because then he even

1106
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.280
says that he'll help them with it. Who inserts themselves

1107
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.079
into a double homicide like that? This is weird. I

1108
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:04.719
don't know the I don't know people like this, and

1109
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.840
if you do, y'all need to run. That is bizarre.

1110
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.159
So the morning of the murders, he wasn't with Andrew.

1111
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.280
Christopher was not with Andrew, but he said, I got

1112
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.639
a phone call from him, and shockingly, if you could

1113
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.119
even believe that, this is more shocking than what I

1114
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.400
just told you. Andrew was in Terry's bedroom and Terry

1115
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.760
was asleep. He hadn't shot him yet, and he explained

1116
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.639
to Christopher, look, he's he's looking away from me, and

1117
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.440
he asks him should I shoot him in the back

1118
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:33.960
of the head, because I can't shoot him in the

1119
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.719
front of the head. And Chris tells the investigators that

1120
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:39.440
he said, look, I don't know. I don't know what

1121
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.239
to do, and he just hung up the phone. Now, look,

1122
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.079
I'm a flash forward real quick for you, because I

1123
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:44.960
have a crystal ball and I know some stuff. But

1124
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:48.159
I'm gonna let you know that actually wasn't quite true

1125
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.719
when he initially told investigators that there was way more

1126
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.559
to it that would come out later on in the

1127
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:56.280
investigation and the court documents I read say that Christopher

1128
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.280
actually did talk to him about shooting him. He did

1129
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.159
just quickly hang up the phone. He said, yeah, shoot

1130
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:03.840
him in the back of the head. Now that may

1131
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:05.320
matter to you, it may not, but I'm just going

1132
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.559
to tell you. People lie, obviously to try to save

1133
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.079
their own skin. Here's an example of it. Well, later

1134
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.400
that day, Andrew called him back and he said, dude,

1135
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.039
come to the house. You got to come see it.

1136
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.480
Terry's dead. Come see his body. So Chris went to

1137
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:21.800
the house and when he got there, Andrew started talking

1138
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.800
to him from the jump about how he was going

1139
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:27.079
to kill Elisa whenever she got home from work. And

1140
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.119
when asked why, you know, why are you going to

1141
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.679
kill Alisa, he says, well, it's because she's going to

1142
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.239
be a witness. She'll know what's going on here. So

1143
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.239
whenever he was being questioned, Chris tells police, I really

1144
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.079
feel like Andrew was the one that was calling the

1145
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.639
shots because while we were talking about it, Amanda kind

1146
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.760
of bucked back, saying, wait, I don't want to kill

1147
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.000
my step mom. Please, I don't think I want to

1148
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.239
kill my step mom. Well, as they're talking about it,

1149
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.119
that's whenever they're still walking. They go back to Terry's

1150
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:59.599
bedroom and they open the door. Chris sees the body

1151
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.480
and he's like, oh shit, and he freaks out and

1152
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:05.960
runs from the house. According to what he tells investigators, again,

1153
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.000
let me go to that crystal ball of something else

1154
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.719
that I know. And this isn't accurate either. He may

1155
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.320
have ran away from the house and gotten freaked out,

1156
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.599
but it wasn't just that black and white like oh no.

1157
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:22.159
It was determined that he actually remained at the house

1158
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.679
for a little while, and that Andrew and him had

1159
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.039
spoken about whether they should pour bleach all over the

1160
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.559
bodies or not to try to minimize the stench of

1161
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.400
the rotting bodies in the hours to come. So there's

1162
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.800
a little bit more to it here. He's minimizing what

1163
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:39.000
he knew, but he did know some stuff. Now Amanda

1164
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.119
remembers she's still in custody too, So they go talk

1165
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.920
to Amanda to see what she's gonna say. And Amanda

1166
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.360
is the polar opposite of what her lover is saying,

1167
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.719
he takes all the responsibility in his interrogation. When they

1168
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:53.679
talk to her, she says, Oh, we've been plotting these

1169
01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:56.800
murders for a number of weeks. She said their original

1170
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.000
plan involved things like battery, acid and all behold one

1171
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:01.679
other stuff that they were going to do, but that

1172
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.519
just was too much for them all to figure out.

1173
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.360
So the gun just became the easiest thing, and so

1174
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:07.880
that was the plan that they ended up going with.

1175
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.039
And she also confirmed Andrew did call Christopher and asked

1176
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.039
where to shoot her dad in the head, which means

1177
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:17.280
she was there and aware of it, and that when

1178
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.599
he went back into the bedroom the second time to

1179
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.960
go put the bullet in her dad's head, he told

1180
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.400
her just go in your room and turn up your music.

1181
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:26.199
So she goes in a room and starts just kind

1182
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.159
of jamming out to some music while her boyfriend's in

1183
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:32.280
there murdering her father. Now, this all took place around

1184
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.119
ten o'clock in the morning while mister Terry was sleeping,

1185
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.719
and when he came out of that room after putting

1186
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:43.960
the bullet in her dad's head, was Amanda crying or

1187
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.159
was she showing any remorse for what had just happened,

1188
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:48.960
the reality that her dad had just been murdered. Well,

1189
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:52.119
let me tell you what she said to her baby

1190
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:56.039
daddy when he walked back out. She looked at him

1191
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.719
and said, well, baby, were one step down, one step

1192
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.440
to go. Oh, so I'll let you decide what you

1193
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:08.679
think at that point, she also then callously described what

1194
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:12.400
the pathologist in the autopsy believed to be the case.

1195
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.519
She said that after he shot her dad in the head,

1196
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.239
he didn't die. She said that he laid in the

1197
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.400
bed making strange noises. This went on for so long

1198
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.679
that they both left at one point to go get lunch,

1199
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.519
to go get something to eat, and then they returned

1200
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.559
back to the house. And when they got back to

1201
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.360
the house, her dad was still in there, groaning and

1202
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.679
making all of these horrible noises that entire time. So

1203
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:40.760
she's like, we got to go finish this. This has

1204
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:42.480
got to you know, we need to go see what's

1205
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:44.840
going on here. But Andrew tells her, I can't go

1206
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:46.599
back in there. Like Andrew was kind of like sick

1207
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:49.239
about what had happened. I'm not saying that he you know, was,

1208
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:53.000
you know, all too sad to keep doing bad things.

1209
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.199
But he just didn't want to go back and look

1210
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:55.880
at the body. I think we'd call that a puss

1211
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.880
where I come from. But anyway, he didn't want to

1212
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.800
go back into the house, and so Amanda just went

1213
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.039
back in and out of the house, back in and

1214
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:08.159
out of the bedroom on multiple occasions, just kept going

1215
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:11.320
in watching her dad, seeing if he was still alive.

1216
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:16.440
Why because she didn't mind his suffering. It didn't bother

1217
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:19.719
her that he was laying there groaning in mortal pain,

1218
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.599
because this was just a means to an end. She

1219
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.480
never called for help. She never even tried to help

1220
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.320
him or do anything. Really, She just kept going back in,

1221
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.760
hoping that he would hurry up and die because it

1222
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.519
was taking forever. And then she filled in the gaps

1223
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:38.199
on her stepmom's death. She picked up the phone when

1224
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.360
they got back from lunch, and her dad's not dead yet,

1225
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.880
he's groaning in pain. And she called her step mom, Alisa,

1226
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:46.679
to ask her when she would be home from work,

1227
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:51.760
and Alisa answered her around five. And then she said

1228
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.760
I love you to Alisa, who then returned I love

1229
01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:59.519
you too. Before they hang up. I don't know about you,

1230
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.480
but that's a whole lot like an accomplice trying to

1231
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:07.159
lure an innocent victim back to the house, knowing that

1232
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:09.719
she was leaving a lamb to slaughter, knowing it full

1233
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.559
and well. There was an eight hour difference between the

1234
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.600
first bullet that went into Terry and the last bullet

1235
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.840
that went into Alisa when she returned home. Eight hours,

1236
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:22.960
so she put a Lisa pulls up to the house

1237
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.560
expecting to be greeted by Amanda. But when she comes

1238
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.840
through the door, Amanda, that's when she's met with a

1239
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.560
gun in her face by the twenty one year old

1240
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.800
who has impregnated her fifteen year old daughter. It's just

1241
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:43.079
horrifying to think about all of this. So then this

1242
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.359
was around five o'clock when a Lisa walked through the door.

1243
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.199
He puts the gun up to her and he forces

1244
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.720
her to walk and sit down on the couch. Now,

1245
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.560
I don't that to me sounds like a home invasion

1246
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:57.359
on top of everything and terrorizing, because this isn't just

1247
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.319
like sneak up and shoot somebody. No, she knew he

1248
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.560
put the gun in her face. He forced her to

1249
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.600
walk in complete and total and utter fear in her

1250
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.199
own house and sit down on the couch, and she

1251
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.479
looked up at him and said, are you gonna kill me?

1252
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.840
And he looked her back in her face and point

1253
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:18.079
blank said, yes, I'm gonna kill you. How scary was

1254
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.840
that she had no clue her husband was already dead

1255
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:24.960
in the back bedroom. So at some point during this happening,

1256
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.119
Elisa decided that she was just gonna make a run

1257
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:29.840
for it. She wasn't gonna sit there and just be

1258
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.800
murdered by this, by this bony little prick in front

1259
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.720
of her. So she gets up, musters all the courage

1260
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.880
that she has, and she tears off, running towards her kitchen.

1261
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:40.840
I'm assuming to try to get out of that back door.

1262
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:46.359
And Andrew chases her down and starts shooting her in the

1263
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:50.239
back twice. And that's when she collapsed on the ground

1264
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.439
and she was shot in the arm in the process.

1265
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:56.720
And then she laid down and she bled to death,

1266
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.680
and she died. And then Andrew would add something in

1267
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.760
his own interrogation as well to this, saying, I guess

1268
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:06.119
Amanda forgot to say this part in her interrogation. But

1269
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:09.720
when she went in the kitchen after her stepmother was

1270
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:14.520
shot in cold blooded, just cold blooded murder. Amanda started

1271
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.600
laughing and looked at Andrew and said, two down forever

1272
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:25.399
to go. Well, that woman laid there and after that,

1273
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.760
that's whenever the two of them left the house. They

1274
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:32.319
went out to eat with the besonsony Son before they

1275
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:36.399
returned back to the house where the two dead bodies were.

1276
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.199
Not the besonsony Son, I'm talking about Amanda and Andrew.

1277
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.159
They went back to the house. Why did they go

1278
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:43.199
back to the house. Oh, I'm glad you asked, because

1279
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.800
they wanted to go steal a Lisa's credit card, you know,

1280
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.479
the one that they used the next day whenever they

1281
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.960
went on that shopping spree and they spent the eight

1282
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.239
hundred and nine hundred dollars at Old Navy and then

1283
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:58.199
they went and enjoyed that motorcycle ride before they returned

1284
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.359
back to the besonsony home to have a barbecue when

1285
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.479
they were rudely interrupted by the police who placed him

1286
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:09.600
under arrest. So they also during this search, they looked

1287
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.479
in Andrew's car, just so you'll know, and in the glovebox,

1288
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.439
the very pistol that was owned by Terry stolen from

1289
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.479
him and then used to murder him, was found in

1290
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:24.960
the glovebox of the Volvo. Andrew Mann was indicted on

1291
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:29.760
the first degree murders of Terry and Elisa McGee. Christopher

1292
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.680
the friend. He agreed that he would testify against Andrew,

1293
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:36.079
but he did benefit from this. He would testify from

1294
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:39.520
Andrew at trial in exchange for no jail time for

1295
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.159
an accessory after the fact charge. Interestingly enough, though, for

1296
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.479
a teen girl who was willing to participate in a

1297
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:49.760
double murder of her parents, she doesn't come across as

1298
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:52.840
that bright because while she was waiting for trial and

1299
01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:55.880
all of this at the juvenile facility, she was writing

1300
01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.640
notes and mailing them to Andrew, who was sitting in

1301
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:04.399
jail awaiting his trial. And her notes seemed to reflect

1302
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:06.800
that she believed she was going to be getting out

1303
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.520
soon because she was just a kid. But she promised

1304
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.800
when she got out and this all went away, that

1305
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.800
she would continue to write him in prison because you know,

1306
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.560
obviously he was guilty, like in her mind, she was

1307
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.760
just too young to be held accountable. One thing she

1308
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.279
said in her letter was I'm sorry I made you

1309
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.239
do it. End quote or beginning quote, end quote. I'm

1310
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.760
sorry I made you do it. Hmm. Doesn't seem like

1311
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.399
she's this victim does it? But the joke was on

1312
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:40.479
her because after a hearing that she went to, this

1313
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.159
is not a trial or anything. She just went to

1314
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:45.560
a hearing. A judge was going to decide at this

1315
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.520
hearing and deliberate on whether she should be tried as

1316
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.880
a juvenile or an adult, and she firmly believed in

1317
01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:54.800
her mind she was going to be tried as a juvenile.

1318
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:59.359
She was only fifteen years old. Well, well, the joke

1319
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.880
again was on her, because the judge did come back

1320
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:06.560
into that court room with visibly red eyes. You could

1321
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:10.039
tell that he had been crying. That judge was going

1322
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.039
through something back in chambers, trying to make some decisions,

1323
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:16.600
but he stood firm when he made his decision that

1324
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:20.239
she would face charges as an adult. Because this decision

1325
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:22.560
may have been hard for that judge, but he ruled

1326
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:27.760
in fact, not in emotion. So Amanda was immediately transferred

1327
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.279
to an adult court and we'd be dealing with this

1328
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.960
as an adult. She would now face the same charges

1329
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.439
as Andrew because her involvement in this was crystal clear.

1330
01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:40.720
And by the way, I want you to understand how

1331
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.199
big of a deal this was. If she would have

1332
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:44.720
remained in juvenile court, her max sentence would have only

1333
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.079
been about four years because then she would have aged

1334
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:51.640
out in adult court. That now meant means that she's

1335
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.760
going to face potential of life in prison without the

1336
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.159
possibility of parole. So this was a huge, huge ruling,

1337
01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:58.880
and I can understand. I guess why that judge. This

1338
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.920
might have really been been hard for him. So Andrew

1339
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:05.960
would go to trial first, and his defense was that

1340
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:11.640
he said Amanda manipulated him. He cried in court. He

1341
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:16.359
recalled this lifetime of hurts and humiliations. He said, I

1342
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:18.720
don't know my dad. My dad was in prison, and

1343
01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:22.239
in third grade I had anxiety and I was homeschooled

1344
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.000
because you know, of all the anxiety. And then when

1345
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.039
I went to school at Carnes High School, I struggled

1346
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.600
and I eventually dropped out. And then when I dropped out,

1347
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.920
my stepdad kicked me out and he didn't love me,

1348
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:35.479
and he didn't treat me like nim me me me

1349
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:40.680
me okay. Crimeaever, because although all of that hurt may

1350
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:43.600
have happened to him, they had multiple doctors that got

1351
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:46.880
on the stand and said, look, yes, this ass hat

1352
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:52.079
does suffer with some mental problems, and yeah, he's substant dependent,

1353
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.359
i e. He was a drug addict, and yeah, maybe

1354
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.960
he does suffer with some distorted thinking and he doesn't

1355
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.279
think right. But none of the mental health experts that

1356
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:04.720
got on the stand in the trial would say that

1357
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:09.199
he was incapable of forming premeditation or murder. They were like, yeah,

1358
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.039
he might be gonna fucked up, but he could still

1359
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:16.760
do this. He wasn't that impaired. And it took a lot.

1360
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:20.039
The jury went back and they took all of this

1361
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.600
into consideration before they came back with a guilty verdict,

1362
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.439
and he was sentenced to two life sentences that will

1363
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.239
run consecutively, one after the other. My boy, so you're

1364
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.600
not getting out, and they slammed the bars behind him. Well,

1365
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.359
once Amanda realizes this is what happened to him, she

1366
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:38.760
decides that she's going to take a plea agreement. She

1367
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:42.119
pled guilty to two counts of second degree murder, and

1368
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.600
in exchange, she received forty five years twenty five years

1369
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:48.399
for the murder of her stepmom and twenty years for

1370
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:52.279
her dad, and those were gonna run consecutively. Now, eight

1371
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:54.319
and a half months after the murders, I do want

1372
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:56.880
you to know this. Eight and a half months after

1373
01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.359
the murders, she did give birth to a baby, daughter

1374
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.359
that she named Serenity. The baby was immediately taken and

1375
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:06.560
put into foster care, and the foster care parents that

1376
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.119
took care of her eventually adopted her, and she has

1377
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.960
no contact with the baby. Neither does Andrew. So I

1378
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.520
don't know, guys. Maybe the laws are in place for

1379
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:21.279
a reason. Maybe maybe society does know better. Maybe kids

1380
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.039
don't need to be impregnated by adults for obvious reasons.

1381
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.239
Maybe the rest of us aren't crazy. Maybe Terran and

1382
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.960
Elisa weren't crazy. Maybe it was them. Maybe Andrew and

1383
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:37.239
Amanda were the problem. And then, you know, add to

1384
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:40.399
this that this quote unquote man in this relationship is

1385
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:44.439
a damned junkie with mental problems. How could anything go wrong?

1386
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.399
How could this have even happened? You know? Maybe this

1387
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:52.239
is why we don't let children pick their lifelong partners,

1388
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:56.119
because their pickers ain't good at fifteen. Add to this

1389
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:01.800
that a twenty one year old adult thought that making

1390
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:06.439
a fifteen year old his spouse was a good idea.

1391
01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:10.279
No wonder this ended the way that it did, unruly

1392
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:14.479
disobedient teens like Amanda grow up to be selfish adults,

1393
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:18.199
and unfortunately, Terry and Elisa did the best they knew

1394
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.720
how to protect her, but she was too immature to

1395
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:25.359
see that she was creating a huge problem for herself

1396
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:28.399
that would result in a lifelong struggle that she was

1397
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:32.239
not ready for. But she wasn't too immature to have

1398
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:37.159
them killed. This whole situation was grown out of an

1399
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:41.079
illegal relationship with a child that resulted in a twenty

1400
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one year old adult acting like a damned child when

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he didn't get his way, and then it ultimately resulted

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in the birth of a parentless child. Both Andrew and

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Amanda should be ashamed, age be damned. They should both

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be ashamed for their role in the murder of two

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loving parents. Amanda made her bed and now she's laying

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in it. As for Andrew, I'm gonna tell y'all I

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have his updated mugshot and he has not age d

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well behind bars. Some stuff hasn't changed. Though. He's still puny,

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he's still bony, he's still bug eyed. Just add some

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wrinkles to it. I mean, he may not be good

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at relationships or push ups or pull ups, but fuck ups.

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He's got that one down Pat