Two Time Orphan

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts. Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

0:51 Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. And I'm having a fantastic day so far. It's beautiful outside, and I probably just had the worst parenting fail ever because I didn't realize it was my child's award ceremony this morning and didn't go, and she looked a hot mess. So apologies to anyone who saw my child at the award ceremony. I swear I love my children. I messed up. But let me give you some shout outs today. I got two of them for you, and I'm going to start in Downington, Pennsylvania, where I have missed. Colleen Beswick. She said she listens in so much, and her family is even now listening to unspeakable.

1:34 So thank you so. Much, Colleen. I hope you enjoyed this shout out. I'm waving to you on the camera, So go ahead and watch me podcast. If you're not watching, so I can say. Hey to you. And then I've got miss Lisa Presley from Carthage, North Carolina. What is going on in the North Carolina area? Lisa? And you know that name has to be that has to be a pretty popular name, Lisa Presley. Huh when that Elvis's daughter's name, Lisa Marie. Here's your middle name, Marie. How crazy would that be? Lisa Marie Presley. I'm saying hey to you. I hope you're seeing me wave to you, and I hope things are going fantastic in your neck of the woods. I want to jump into the story, but before I do, I've got to tell you something kind of funny. You might enjoy this if you're a parent. So, my one of my children, her hamster, she had three die back to back to back. It's been a very traumatic situation in our household. And so we finally went and we got another one. And I'm like, You've got to just do everything right with this one. I know it's not your fault. They must be sick or something. I don't know what was going on.

2:31 So we bought this hamster. It turned out to be the absolute devil reincarnate. It got loose in our house. I finally found it. It attacked me. It bit me in my upper thigh area. So I brought that little spawn of Satan back to the pet store and was like, look, we're back again. I'm sorry, but I need one that's actually nice. So we got this little hamster. Guys, his name's Peanut. He is so sweet. But the kids. Started crying, and I'm like, what is wrong. We haven't been home but a couple of hours, and my my middle child comes out crying, Oh my god, there's something wrong with Peanut. Oh my god, I said, what is it. There's something wrong that something fell out of his butt. I said, bring him to me. You've got to be kidding me. So Peanut is brought to me and we set Peanut down in my hand and I look him over. Guys, it's with heartbreak and sadness in my voice that I tell you that Peanut has the largest balls of any hamster ever born in the history of ever. And my children did not know what balls were. They're girls, and so we had to have a long talk about balls in my house and what they are, and that it's not actually butt cancer and he's gonna be just fine.

3:41 So y'all pray for peanut. He's got a lot of baggage, a lot of junk in his trunk to carry around, and my children were horrified and scared, and the youngest one still. Believes it's butt cancer. But he's gonna be Okay. Everyone's got a traumatic hamster story, don't they, I think, So all right, let's jump into this episode. Now we're gonna go to Florida. What's going on down there in Florida, cause we're going to be in Auburndale, Florida, and that's a city located in Polk County, So shout out to all my people out in Polk County. And for reference, this is only about ten miles from Lakeland, Florida, which you should be familiar with because unfortunately we had the school shootings that happen out there, and approximately forty miles from both downtown Orlando and Tampa. So it kind of gives you a little viewpoint there of where we're at. And it's no wonder that this area attracts people from all over because of its access to places like.

4:27 The famed Chain of Lakes. So if you're not familiar with that, this is a really really unique waterway system that the people there are pretty proud of. And it's got lots of canals that connect to multiple lakes in that area. So there's sixteen in the southern chain and eight in the Northern chain, and basically the waterways allow for the boaters and anyone I guess on a watercraft to travel from one side of the city to the other and then they all connect within and you can go and stop, and you can eat, and they have restaurants and all sorts of things out that way. It's simply beautiful. It's a great area to go have just some fun for wakeboarding, which I love wakeboarding, And it's right nearby Legoland that I know a lot of people like to visit.

5:09 Just a great place for family and friends to go and to hang out and have a good time. And as far as industry is concerned there, healthcare is actually a really big part of what they do. There, specifically in the Polk County area, there's multiple hospitals and medical centers and they stay busy with the daily medical problems that plague all of our communities. Basically, there's an aging population in Auburndale two and most of the people in that group agree that they like the quiet, slower speed of life, so they like their little neighborhood there called the Hamptons. There is an age requirement to live in the Hampton in the Hamptons because this is a community that only allows people sixty five and older to live there.

5:53 It's not that young people are disliked or anything like that. It's just that the priorities and the expectations tend to be different between these age groups, and they wanted this area to be quiet and calm living neighbors in Miss Hampton's was They're known to sit on their porch in the mornings and in the afternoons, and when the heat of the day is too hot, they go inside, but they like to have their morning coffee and they like to walk in the evenings as the sun goes down. And this was the case for Miss Nancy Jones on the early evening of Sunday, September eighth, twenty twenty four. It was still light outside, but the day was starting to come to an end, and the breeze was really cool as she sat on her porch. Just like I mentioned, she was in her chair rocking along, watching as the breeze blew by. And her friend Susan lived just across the street kind of k catty corner to where her house was, and Susan was out of town, so she asked Miss Nancy to watch over her house while she was away. And although Susan was gone, it was noted that there was a car parked under her car port.

6:55 It was a black Jetta, and Nancy knew that this car it was okay that it was. She knew that it belonged to Susan's grandson, who would come in from time to time. She had seen him jogging in the neighborhood of time or two in the past, but they didn't really speak. It wasn't like they were on a first name basis or anything like that. But Susan's grandson was named Colin and he was just about to turn eighteen. Colin was still in high school. He was really a smart kid, just I guess you would describe him as rather unmotivated, but not a dump a dumb kid. He stood very tall and on a very thin six foot two frame. He has black hair. It's cut into a typical men's kind of shortcut, the bangs a little shorter in the front, and. He wore these black framed glasses.

7:38 Looking at him, you would probably say he was probably more of an indoorsy type of guy, but his interests would kind of back that up, because he loved video games and he liked Starbucks. You know, those were the things that he enjoyed doing. He also really enjoyed traveling with his mother. They had gone on a ton of trips together, everything from Disney World to cruises. To Washington in DC. She even had taken him out of the country, and so travel was something that they really enjoyed doing together. Now, Colin's grandmother Susan that I just mentioned. This was his maternal grandmother. So his mother's name was Catherine, but people called her Kathy for short, and Kathy's upbringing, I want to focus on her for a second. Kathy's upbringing was kind of a lot like the common story of many of us today. Her parents divorced when she was a kid, and it brought a lot of turbulence to her life.

8:29 So Susan and Cathy's father. His name was Robert Willantis. They were married for nineteen years. They had a long marriage, but they ended up divorcing in nineteen ninety eight, and from youngest to oldest they had three kids, John, Paul, Kathy, and then Christy. Well, when they divorced, Susan got custody and she raised the kids, but it wasn't without a bunch of battles in court over who would get time with the kids. But once Robert was really denied custody of them, he didn't really have a relationship with any of them until after they got a lot lot older. So I don't know, this kind of sounds like the typical divorce where the mom gets the kids and then the dad's kind of like, well whatever, and goes on with his own interests. I guess if you want to call it that. So after the divorce, Susan would end up remarrying her second husband. His name was Enachi Markovich.

9:18 That was difficult for me. I even looked up how to spell that one, but Naki Markovich and they together had a child named Kevin, and so now they're kind of a blended family. And Kathy, her daughter, and Kevin were pretty close whenever they were growing up, but now as adults, Kathy herself was single because around twenty twenty, she and Colin's father got divorced after a very tumultuous marriage, and her son was now her focus. So, since I've introduced a lot of people here, there's grandmother Susan, who was married to Robert. They got they had a bunch of kids, including Kathy. Then they divorced and Kathy grew up. She got married, but she divorced her husband and she had grandson Colin. So I'm hoping you're kind of following that.

10:04 So it was about five pm on this day as neighbor Nancy was rocking on her porch and she sees a white car pull into Susan's driveway across the street at the house. It then backed out of that driveway, parked on the roadway in front of the house, and then a girl got out of that vehicle. And Nancy could tell by the way that this girl got out of the car and slammed her door that this girl was pretty upset when she pulled up and she didn't recognize the young lady, but she did notice that she looked really young. So while this girl may have looked really young, it was actually a woman. It was Colin's mother, Catherine, and her looking young to the neighbor really does make sense because Catherine was only thirteen years old when she got pregnant with her first child, which was Colin's brother, Christopher, So she started having her children as a child herself, and then she didn't have Colin until she was around twenty two. She really was kind of on the younger end of the spectrum. Not to mention she was a very tiny woman. She was only about five foot two, one hundred and twenty six pounds, so from a distance, I guess you would say she looked like an older team.

11:12 So that's why the neighbor thought that she looked pretty young. So as Catherine was walking towards the car port of her mother's home, Nancy watched her. But then Nancy remembered, oh, man, I got a sink full of dishes that I need to go take care of. So she jumped up off of her porch and she head inside to clean her kitchen. Just a little while later after that took place, a call for help would be placed to nine to one one from Susan's home, and as the dispatcher answers the phone, it was seventeen year old Colin on the other line and he was desperate for help. So go ahead and listen. This is just a portion of that call. And I do want to say I apologize for the quality of the call, but it is what it is.

11:55 I don't know the idea of fucking I don't know this AGAs. My mom's got the t m us. Now to bleeding out, So you tell your mom is showing what my mom's bleeding out. So he's to bleeding out. Okay, let's see what do you think you are? What road are you at? What the cross is that road? She'll say, you had them into border you you go through the gates and take the first right and it's the house to the black get out. But I'm trying to go the dale. Okay, how do I look someone?

12:36 How did you get into the hospital? And I look someone? Okay, number one and. We're off, Anglance. He doesn't have time. He's looking at GEC's fucking fails here's that time. So now okay, I'm even I guess I seek you out? Is that okay? Yeah, he's being said, there are no I'm time alcome for the astoners. I am, I don't nothing? Did you as being set? Okay? I can help being set because I see bleeding outing sound being from the nest man see me to my mother?

13:30 Time. I'm the person. I'm with? Yet, yes, I'm with an ask all your the pent friend he's putting one years old? You have a you have a hawking sins. He has the US rank. No, SE's the gun pocket the outside paper. No, I don't think why. Where So as you somewhat heard, Colin is absolutely desperate for help, and the dispatcher does what she thinks is best considering the information that he gave. And you didn't hear this part because it's a very long nine one one call, but at one point she starts telling Colin that she's got to give compressions to his mother.

14:28 We've got to do this now. And so the sound of a dispatcher counting out compressions is so stressful to me because when you hear that, you know immediately how serious this call is. And this is likely life or death. And you can hear one, two, three, four, five, and it goes on and on and on. Now, what Colin explained to that dispatcher was that his mother was bleeding out of her neck because she fell on a knife during a fight with him. But the problem with that type of wound she had is that she was suffering from a gaping neck wound with severe arterial bleed that was occurring from it. And in cases like this, a person can bleed out in as little as three minutes, and that's exactly what was happening. Colin even tells the operator at one point that she stopped bleeding. She's not even bleeding anymore. There's no color, she's pale, she's not bleeding anymore. And that's because she had no more blood to bleed out, y'all. Her heart had stopped pumping and her blood was all out of her body, all of it.

15:35 So a few things about that call. Obviously, stopping the bleeding should have been priority, not necessarily CPR. But I want to tell you this, it's very important to note that an operator has to clarify exactly what, tell me exactly what happened. This operator didn't word it that way, that would have been something she probably would have been discussed with about this in reviewing that call. But when he said she felt the knife and she was bleeding and she wasn't responsive, that's why this dispatcher jumped straight into CPR, when in reality it probably should have jumped more into stop the bleed. But she was bleeding so quickly that never even really had time to happen. And I don't think that he could have saved her even if he wanted to, because of so much bleeding that was occurring, that's my opinion, and he wasn't able to save her. So officers in a paramedics they did arrive on scene really really quickly, but police showed up and knowing that they believed this call to be a type of assault with a knife, they were dispatched and showed up, but they had to clear the scene before the paramedics could even come inside because they didn't know what the situation was on the inside. So Deputy Alexander Walker was the first one that was on the scene.

16:43 And I have to say here that I clearly am getting old at this point because every officer that showed up on that scene looked no older than sixteen years old. I'm not kidding you. These look like children. These officers are so young. But they showed up and they Colin yelling, I'm in the kitchen, I'm in the kitchen, and so Deputy Walker opened the door. As he opened it, he immediately saw Kathy lying on the ground in the kitchen and Colin was sitting on the floor and leaning over her head, so he was above her head, leaning over it, very frantic about what was happening there. Colin was shirtless, he had blood all over his hands his forearms, and the officer noted that he was rather manic when he first got up on him to see what was going on.

17:30 So he told the other officer that was with him, his name was Deputy Pibernick, to take Colin outside, which the deputy did, and Colin calmed down once he was outside of the house. At that point, EMS was already on scene. They were staging or waiting right off scene to be called in, and the officers waved them in and fire Captain James Parker and another firefighter and paramedic Owen Mullen entered the home together to try to assist Kathy, and when they entered the home again, they found her line on the gri She was in the kitchen area and she was on her back, showing no signs of life. She was very pale, very white, and clearly she wasn't breathing. So they kneel down beside her, and they could both see all the way into her neck when they approached to try to help her, and paramedic Mullen immediately said to the other one, this injury is incompatible with life.

18:24 This is a horrendous injury to her neck. But they either way, they're not going to just say that. They got to work, and they tried in a last ditch effort to give her CPR and to try to get her heart pumping, but the wound was so bad. Every time they would do a chest compression, air could be heard just pushing out of the wound, so they knew that it was fatally deep and that this. Is not good. This is horribly bad. So they could see well within her neck too. While they were doing this. They could see her veins, they could see her artery, they could see deep into the neck, and their efforts were futile. So eventually they ceased working on her because there was no more blood. There was only air leaving her body from that neck, and she was shortly thereafter declared deceased.

19:14 But based on everything they knew from experience and what they were seeing, she had already been dead before they were even waved into the house. So they all slowly got up to their feet, and they had defeat basically in their minds, the gravity of the reality pulling down on them as they solemnly gathered all their medical supplies, got their things together, and exited the house, knowing that this young man's life would never be the same because his mama was dead and there was nothing they could do about it. So while deputies began to tape off the area, they called for a detective to come on scene, and he did arrive, and that deputy Walker, while they're waiting on the detective to get there, was kind of surprised to look up and see them at ems was renting off Colin's arms, and it was strange to him because it's like, well, damn, I mean, that's the only real suspect that we have right now as to what might have happened, So why are they washing off his arms?

20:13 But in that moment, it was kind of like he thought, well, maybe they were just checking him for wounds because there was blood. They didn't know whose blood it was. But in hindsight, this probably wasn't something that should have happened before they could take photos of him in the condition that he was found. So he walked over and he retrieved Colin and he placed him in the back of his patrol unit as he was directed by a supervisor to do that. And while they waited to be told what do we need to do next? So in an offer, in an effort to calm Colin down or keep him calm in the car, they started making small talk. They talked about video games and just nothingness while he sat in the car. So homicide detective Danny Peters arrived at the home and he went inside.

20:56 When he walked in, he was somewhat shot by how horrifically bloody the scene was. It was in stark direct contrast to the rest of the home, which was very clean and very organized, and then there's Kathy laying here with blood all over the ground. He noted that there was a pool of coagulated blood or almost solidified or drying blood up around Kathy's upper half, and there was also blood on the island in the center of the kitchen as well as on the cabinets, but the blood didn't go up at all. The blood just kind of seemed to spatter along the lower portions, not very high up the walls. Now, I want to tell you too, while you're kind of thinking about what this crime scene looked like. This is a mobile home, so the kitchen area and the washer and dryer and the living room all were kind of really near each other, if you want to think of it in that manner.

21:55 So he also noted that. There was a white towel and a gray shirt that was kind of bunched up next to Kathy's neck. But he also could see that very obvious, open, gaping wound on the right side of her neck. Her arms, her upper forearm. And her elbow was laying out kind of to her side, and it was slightly underneath the island counter that was in the center. There was blood near the. Dishwasher, but the dishwasher was on the opposite side of the island from where the body actually was laying, which was interesting, right, So scanning the countertops, he's kind of looking around and trying to figure out what is going on.

22:38 The detective noticed that there was a kitchen knife block right to the left of the stove, and all of the knives were in that kitchen block except for one, and that was the one that was used to kill Kathy. It was laying on the floor in the very same room where Kathy was, but it was feet away, like down at the other end of the room, closer to the washer and dryer, and it looked as if it had been slid like someone shot it across the room and it was over by that washer and dryer. Now, the knife itself was twelve inches one foot long. This is a big ass knife, is what I'm trying to tell you. The blade of it was seven inches of that twelve So this is a big knife that had gone into her neck. And the knife was completely silver, the whole thing, with even the handle. It was completely a silver knife. And there was blood on the full length of the knife. It was a little thicker on the blade, but there was very clearly blood from one end of the knife.

23:38 To the other. So he looks back at Kathy. He notices that she's barefoot, but it didn't look like she came in the house barefoot, because there was blood on the bottom of Kathy's bare feet, as well as a pair of under armor flip flops just knocked off of her feet but in the kitchen, but those two had blood on the bottoms of them. There were various marks and bruises all over Kathy. Her legs and her arms specifically had lots of marks and scratches and bruises, and then there was lots of blood near her arms and near that lower shelving area where she lay. So they lifted the island and moved it to see what was going underneath there, and that's where they could see clearly that Kathy had completely bled out.

24:26 There was a ton of blood underneath that island. And he also saw what appeared to be a leather booksack that was used as a must have been used as a purse. It wasn't under the island, but he just noticed it next to Kathy that it was. It looked like it had been her purse, but it was covered in blood. So as they're processing the scene, they opened up that leather booksack and they noticed that so much blood it had not only covered the outside, but it was filled the inside of this book sack, and there was a makeup bag and a wallet that they were able to pull out of the book sack. It too was saturated in her blood. And I hate to keep saying the word blood, but you have to understand, this was all the blood of her body that was out. But on top of the kitchen island was Kathy's cell phone, still laying there. On the screen of the phone, there was a notification that was still up. Even though there was a lock screen, there was this notification was still up on the screen and he could look at it and see that it included a missed call from Susan's mom or from her mom Susan, and there was a text from a Detective Lacy on the screen. Now it was just a preview of the text because like I said, the phone was locked, but on the screen he could read that it said I tried to call you. So they took the cell phones from not only taking Susan's off the counter, but they took or Kathy's of the

25:59 caak excuse me. They took Kathy's cell phone into evidence. They took the grandmother Susan, who arrived later, they took her cell phone into evidence, and they also took Collin's cell phone into evidence. Now, on the screen of that phone, like I told you, they could see that the mother must have tried to call her and she never answered it. And then this detective was saying, I tried to call you. It was noted too after they took the cell phones, and he's kind of talking to everybody that Colin seemed to not be upset, but more than that, it was more like he was annoyed that the officer was even trying to ask him any questions, and he came across as really almost argumentative with the officers, which experience overall told this officer that it was strange because usually people would be either hysterical or crying or at least disturbed by a death, especially their mother, and they were in a fight and she fell on this night. But Colin wasn't following that typical pattern. Really, annoyance was how he came across. And I know that people can react differently to traumas. I'm not going to say that we all would react the same, but there is this standard that you usually see in.

27:15 Some fashion or form. But even the firefighters on scene kind of screwed their faces up and looked at each other. Like he hadn't act them like we would expect him to act. So when the police started trying to question him more through his annoyance, he immediately became uncooperative and he asked to speak with a lawyer immediately off the top. All right, you've invoked that, we'll get you a lawyer. But while the detectives were outside and they're looking around, they realized, wait a minute, there's possible evidence outside of the home too, because the steps that were leading into the house, they found drops of blood on those steps. And then as they walked a little little further on the front of the trailer, they noticed that there was a flower bed there with some mulch in it, and there was an air pod in the mulch. So the detectives went ahead and they documented all of this and they were going to review it later when they tried to make.

28:14 Sense of what was going on. So when it came time to process the scene forensically speaking, there was a forensic investigator by the name of Brandy Bange that showed up and she noted that Colin was rather emotionless when she was dealing with him, and she dealt with him for about thirty minutes on the scene because she had to photograph everything, photograph him. She took blood swabs off of him. She did the swabs for his DNA through in his cheek. She noted that there was blood on his right ear, the right side of his glasses, his right arm had blood on it, there was blood on his shoes, it was on his shorts.

28:55 And what she didn't know at that time when she was taking her. Photos was that she was taking those photos after he had already washed off a majority of the blood, which that officer did see happen when ems was cleaning him up. He had an abrasion on his knee, and he had abrasions and scratches on. Both of his forearms. He had no wounds or cuts or damage whatsoever on the palms of his hands or on the back of his hands. Well about that time that all of this was taking place, neighbor Nancy Jones came back outside of her home from cleaning the kitchen and was shocked to see that there were police all outside of the house when she just when she went inside everything was fine.

29:38 So she made a phone call to Susan to say, oh my god, Susan, something's happened at your house. There's police here, there's crime scene tape up, and Susan said, oh my god. You know she was on her way, she'd be there in a couple hours. And so Miss Nancy yelled out to Colin. She looked at him and she saw him standing out there. He had read all over his arms, and she yelled out to him, Hey, your grandma's be here in just a little while. So she sits down on her porch and she continues to watch what's going on, and all she could think to herself was what in the world has happened in this last hour in our neighborhood, This quiet, older person neighborhood.

30:19 This is wild. So it's about seven. O'clock when another neighbor, her name is missus Sally Bell, she pulls up and she's trying to get into her home, but she couldn't because the roadway was blocked off, and she was really scared. She didn't know what was going on, but she told the police, I need to get in here, and they said, no, you can't, we've got it blocked off. And she said, but I live here. That's my house right there across the street from where all that commotion's going on. So the officer moved his car so that she could pull into her driveway, and she and her husband, it turns out, were just returning from church. So she's watching this happen, and she wondered if what was happening had anything to do with what she had seen earlier that day, just a few hours prior.

31:05 So let me tell you about Miss Sally real quick. Miss Sally is a lovely little black woman with short gray hair. She's got her little black framed glasses, very sweet, very quiet in nature, and just a very put together little lady. And she earlier that day had walked into her kitchen and set her purse down on the kitchen counter, and she just so happened to look out of her front door window, and it was time for them to leave for church. So since it was almost time to go, she knew it was about four forty five that she looked out the window. Now her house was directly across the street from Susan's home, and so she watched as a lady came out of the house. So the woman had gone in the house, she saw her come out of the house down those little concrete steps, and behind her there was a young man that had come out of the house. So the woman had some clothes and some items in her hand, and the woman went around the back of this black jetta that was under the car port, and she threw open the door on the passenger side of the jetta, and she was throwing the clothes and the items into the jetta while the young man stayed on the driver's side of the car. And she could tell that they were obviously talking over the hood of the car as the woman was putting the clothes into the car. And Miss Sally recognized the young man because she had seen him before. She knew that he was somehow related to the neighbor across the street.

32:35 And she could not hear what they were saying, but she could tell that the woman and the young man were talking back and forth, pretty animated about whatever they were speaking about. And the woman was really animated using her hands to speak to the young man and was very you know, kind of I don't want to say aggressive, but very animated in her hands as she was speaking. And she walked around the back of the car back towards the young man while she was talking and she got closer, almost face to face with him, while she continued with her hand motions to talk to that young man in front of her, and it caught her attention so much that she watched them for just a moment when out of nowhere, the young man snatched that woman up by the back of her hair, by the ponytail, and it startled Miss Sallie when she saw him just snap and just snatch that woman up by her hair, by her ponytail, and the woman screamed. She screamed so loud that Miss Sally could hear it from inside of her house. And the woman screamed, and she quoted what she heard. The woman scream, let go, you're hurting me as he was snatching up on her ponytail, and oh my god, Miss Sally thought, what is going on? But in that split moment as he grabbed her by the hair, he then began dragging the woman up those stairs, and he drug her straight into the house by her hair, but minding her own business and going, my god, I don't know what is going on over there, and not wanting to mess with it. She kind of stunned stood

34:08 there for a second. Then she yelled over to her husband. We needed to go. It's time for church, and she and her husband, never imagining that they would return to their house shortly there later to see a coroner's van loading a woman's body, drove off and went to church. Well. Kathy's body was removed from the scene by doctor David Garavan. He's the medical examiner who would perform her autopsy, and during that autopsy he was seeing some very telling signs that there had been this had been a struggle. First of all, he noted that there was a sharp, force gaping wound to the right side of her neck. There was bruising to all of her limbs, her arms, her legs, there was bruising and scratches all over them. Her right shoulder had a wound to the back of it. Her left elbow was damaged as as well as both of her hands. And when he picked up her hands and looked at them, between her thumb and her index finger, he found a gaping, insize wound, like a slice in that webbing between your fingers, the one that nobody wants to get even a paper cut. There it was just a gaping slice between her fingers. Now real quick, a stab wound is usually going to be deeper than it is long because you think of it's like a stabbing motion, but an insize wound is usually going to be longer than it is deep. They're opposites basically, basically because that insize wound across this is kind of like across the

35:39 skin like a slice, where a stabbing is going to go into the skin. So I know a lot of us know or have heard the term defensive wounds, and that those happen whenever there's a struggle, But defensive wounds also, I think people sometimes miss this point that defensive wounds are usually present in certain locations too. And so what I mean is that as human beings, we're designed to survive. Okay, we're gonna fight back, even if it's instinctively when we are under attack. And it's typical that if someone. Is swinging something at you, you're gonna protect yourself with certain body parts. So for example, if you're being attacked on your upper half, it makes sense that you would throw up the outside of your arms, like your forearms.

36:29 And so usually you'll see defensive wounds on the forearms or you'll see them on the hands. Because people will put the hands up, or sometimes people will grab at a knife, even though that's not smart, you just instinctively will do whatever you can to defend yourself. Also, if someone attacks you in your lower half, which we all know that's where our sex organs would be, it's common that people turn their thighs inward to try to protect that lower area, So you don't usually see defensive wounds on the insides of the thigh. You usually see defensive wounds on the outside of the thigh. And so those knife injuries that you see, or that Kathy had on her hand, he noted, is very consistent with someone who tries to reach up and grab a knife whenever someone is trying to stab at them, and then the knife just passes through their hand and it slices their hand.

37:24 So the neck wound that he looked at, like I keep telling you, was very large and gaping, and I keep telling you it's gaping because it was wide open, okay, And it was about at the level of her where your Adam's apple would be, but midway to the side of the neck. So I'm trying to give you a good visual of the location there. And not only was it through or into the neck. But it also went from a front to a back angle as it went through her neck, and from left to right. So I want you to kind of gather what that would look like through the neck, so as he's looking at it, this cut didn't just go. Into the neck, y'all.

38:05 This wound transsected the trachea, meaning it passed through her esophagus, It went through her windpipe, It severed her vocal cords, and it went all the way through her neck. It went through her neck. A one foot knife went all the way through her neck. It literally poked out the other side. There was a hole in both sides. It went straight through her neck. And once you you cut through the throat and you cut through the nerves, like her neck was cut, you can no longer breathe, nor swallow, nor speak because the tube of the throat that goes down into the diaphragm hers was split. So she couldn't do anything other than probably reach up to grab her neck the tip of the knife for that to go through skin. And to put it into perspective, if a knife is very, very sharp, the tip of the knife will go through your skin a lot easier than you would probably think, But to go through the trachea, to go through all of the cartilage that holds up your head and all of that, that's gonna take a shitload of force. I know that's probably not a medical term you'll see on anything, but that's the best way I know how to describe this to you. This is not gonna be something simple. She had bruising on her calf, she had bruising on her shins, and based on the

39:36 number and the location of the bruises, the doctor felt like these weren't accidental bruises from like working around the house or doing yard work or something like that, those little ones that we get, because there were so many, and they were also newer bruises, so they weren't older, and they weren't from doing something and accidentally. You know, hitting your shin. So the cause of death he would put was a stab wound to the neck, and the manner was homicide because this was clearly an unnatural death inflicted by her by someone else. So considering that Colin said Kathy fell on the knife during that altercation, the doctor was specifically asked, this, does it look like she fell on the knife, And his words were, I just simply would not believe that she could have fallen on the knife. And he said, if she would have fallen on the knife, this would have had to have been the most extraordinary of circumstances he had ever experienced in his thirty years as a doctor, he said, in all of his years of doing this, which were many, he said, he had never done an autopsy on someone who accidentally fell on a knife and died.

40:57 Ever think about that, so flat out he said, she didn't fall in the knife like this. This couldn't have happened. The angle isn't right. None of this is correct for what you're asking me could have happened. Now, I want to tell you something. Colin was six foot two, Kathy was five foot two, so he was much taller with a much longer armreach. So the knife was at a downward angle, and so it just wasn't possible for her to physically take for the knife to stab her in the way that Colin explained it to be. It looked more like it would have been a stabbing wound in a downward direction from someone holding the knife stabbing it downward. So, based on all of these findings, detectives continued to look further into the lives of Colin and Kathy to see what could have possibly provoked this altercation that ended up in such an absolute just tragedy. Now, when they took Kathy's phone, they found that this phone was a newer model and so local police had a limited ability to be able to process her phone. They could see her text, they could see her call log, but it was really limited to using the cellbright system that police use. So since they couldn't really get into the phone like they wanted to, they sent her phone off to Homeland Security who was able to further process the phone and able to get into it and get more data out of that phone. And Kathy's phone held a ton of photos,

42:27 all of which pretty much showed a happy, smiling photo group of a son and his mother. There was lots of traveling photos together. They just seemed happy, they liked being around one another, and it just looked like any of our phones the photographs that were in there. But topping the investigator's curiosity wasn't really the pictures in Kathy's phone. It was actually the text that was from a police detective right before she was found dead that said, I tried to call you. So they looked into that number and the name of that detective was Lacey Zenoniani. I'm gonna call her detective Lacey for pronunciation ease for me.

43:12 But it was a detective Lacey. So what was. Lacey's job and why was she texting a woman who was dead shortly thereafter? Well, it turns out that. She worked in a position where she monitored troubled juveniles, ones that were struggling at home, typical like runaways, and she did basically this upkeep to help with intervention purposes, to make sure that troubled youth we were on the right path. And her goals with Colin, because she was directly working with Colin, was to provide resources and to help families that are struggling with their kids, to help the parents too, because parenting's hard, and I think that we anyone who's been a parent for any amount of time will realize that teenagers is really hard and not all of us are equipped with the skills that it takes to deal with, especially strong minded and strong willed kids who don't want to do what.

44:12 They're supposed to do. And so she had gotten involved with Colin and Cathy in September of twenty twenty three, the year prior, after a domestic violence call at their home. So the officer that had responded to that call was named Deputy Alexander Sharp, So he responded. He was radioed and dispatched to a domestic violence call that he was told was between a mother and a son and there was a grandmother there. So when Deputy Sharp got there, Colin was not there at the scene, but he did end up returning to the scene after the deputy got there. When Colin was there, he was calm and he was collected. He was just kind of almost I guess, stoic standing there when he arrived.

45:00 On the other hand, the deputy said was very nervous. She was quiet, She seemed very scared and very teary eyed when talking with her, and she had injuries to her body. He noted that there was redness and bruising on her stomach and on the abdomen area, and she explained to the officer that, yeah, my son, Colin, he need me in the stomach like he need his mother, very hard into the stomach. And he saw that there was also some scrapes and some bruising on her hands from him stomping on her hand. So he's like, why was he needing you and stomping you in the first place, Like I need some more information, and Kathy explained to him that she had been fussing at him because of his bad behavior, and she told him, I'm taking away your xbox and I'm taking away your phone since you can't seem to behave and get your life together. She also told him that they had a Thanksgiving Day or a Thanksgiving week cruise planned as a family for the grandmother and her and Colin to go on, and she explained to him that they were going to cancel that and he would not be going on a cruise either.

46:09 Because of the way that he was acting. And when she said you're not going on the cruise, I'm taking your xbox and I'm taking your cell phone away, Colin then stood up quickly from the dinner table, shoved his chair back, and he said. Well then let's just do this. Let's do it, and he attacked her. He need her his mother in the stomach and then stopped her hand as she tried to pick up his cell phone from the ground, and that's why her hand was injured. So this account seemed kind of huge, I guess for a teenager to do that to his own mother. So he also the officer questioned the grandmother there, which was Susan, and said, you know, can you tell me a little bit of what went on? And the grandmother, Susan's account lined up perfectly with what my Kathy had just said. She said, we were having dinner when all this took place, and exactly what I just told you is what Susan said. There were no injuries either on Colin, when when the officer looked at him, looked him over, there were no injuries. There was no marks on him, nothing.

47:16 And so as they continue talking, Kathy told that officer, look, I'm afraid of my son. Please know that I'm afraid of him, and I really don't think I want him living with me any longer. And I don't want him near my mother because he's hurting us. He's dangerous. Now. Whenever the officer talked to Colin, Colin said, no, that's not what happened at all. My mom punched me. And when she got up and she punched me, that's when I grabbed her and I threw her off of me. But while Colin is explaining what all his mother had done to him. The officer again is looking at him and if she punched him, he wasn't seeing anything from. That or to indicate that that had happened.

47:57 So the officer decided, and it was his discretion that he believed that Colin was the aggressor, and so he placed Colin under arrest and he placed him in the back of his cop car. Well, while that was happening, Kathy was then asked a few questions by police, and all of this was caught on body cam, but I want to give you a snippet of her responses. Whenever that officer was asking Kathy a few questions about her son, a couple of quick. Yes or no questions can almost fringing out before we go. And do you think he's capable of killing you because he have access to a farmer? And all right, okay, all right, well, thank you for your time.

48:48 All right. So that's Kathy, in her own words, saying that she was afraid of her son and that, you know, things just weren't going well. So body camera continued to roll on the officer, and it also captured the police officer when he was walking back to the police car. When he got back to the police car, Grandma Susan was already at the cop car and she was talking to Colin before he was taken away, and that body cam caught that entire conversation. So I've pulled a little bit of that for you because I want you to listen to it for yourself. Go ahead and give this a listen. This is gonna be Grandma Susan talking to Colin after he's already been arrested and he's in the cop car.

49:32 Why did you stand up? Why did you stay on a shore basic cars? No you didn't. He stood up, said Okay, let's steal it. Let's steal it. Yes you did. I was fairly well, I'm not a son of I'm not this murderer. I mentioned trying to just ceasefully using but paciently. No, exist to just figure yourselfing out. She can't. Don't need to shut up, chever, I want to shut up. She needed me. That's not when happened, Colin. That's not what happened. The f Sigy went into peacefully. Colossiests I did saying that you. Said that in the car of if not a dinner with her.

50:12 So from that you can also tell that there is a stark contrast between what Colin says happened and what the two adults at the scene say had happened. So Colin was arrested for domestic abuse, battery, and against his mother and he was taken to jail. Now, the event was so violent, I guess you would say that the officer even felt it necessary to give the mom some paperwork that was that's called the Marcy's Law paperwork. Well, I want to explain it to you to understand what it is. But Marcy's Law was a law that was enacted after a girl named Marcelice Nicholas was a student at the University of California in Santa Barbara and she was stalked and murdered by her ex boyfriend back in nineteen eighty three.

50:56 And after that happened, her own family was fronted at a grocery store by the killer a week after the murder because they did not even know that he had been released, and it scared them. It shocked them and everything that you can imagine. And so Marcie's Law came into play after that because victims should have rights and they should be notified of those rights. And those rights include things like being notified of court proceedings against an aggressor in a domestic situation, the right to have to have their safety considered, the victims safety considered whenever an aggressor makes bail or there are release decisions that are being considered, and they also have a right to be protected from these people. So that is why now Marcy's law paperwork is given to domestic abuse victims because they need to know these things. If you're not familiar with the court systems, or you don't have interactions with police, you may not know this. So they gave that paperwork.

51:55 They felt it was serious enough for her to know these things. And after that incident, that's when Detective Lacey became involved with the family, the one that had texted on Cathy's cell phone, I tried to call you. That's when she became involved with this family and with their struggles to help Colin to remain on a better path so that he didn't end up in jail. So she worked with both Kathy and Susan, both in person and on the phone because she knew the grandmother was very involved in this family dynamic, and she said Detective Lacey said she would speak pretty much daily to this family, whether it was the parents or it was Colin or the grandparent. So Detective Lacey knew this for a fact.

52:38 He knew she knew that Colin was an issue in that he had told her personally, like in person voice, that he would harm his mother and that he may not be able to control his behavior. And he even told her I may even kill my mom because he gets so mad at her. And he expressed this multiple time on different days over a period of a year that she was dealing with him. DCFS Child Protective Services. However, you want to look at that DCFS had been involved in the past too, because Kathy the mom was being aggressive towards other family members. Okay, so there's another layer to this or another element, But this was all before this incident that had taken place, the domestic abuse battery incident.

53:28 And this was before obviously the fact that she was dead. But this incident happened whenever her kids were young, when Colin and his brother were young. So to say that Kathy was an absolute angel would be a lie. And I'm here to tell you a story. The whole story to the best of my ability as it went down. And so I'm gonna honor that and that I'm not gonna pick and choose what facts I tell you. I'm going to tell you all of the facts. But although she had been in trouble before, there was no doubt ever that Kathy loved her children, even though there was a history of instability with her. Kathy had her own demons, and I'm not going to deny that, which included the fact that she was abused by her ex husband, who, by the way, is the guy that got her pregnant at thirteen years old. And there's a backstory of that, but basically, she was messing around with him, went to a hotel, and got pregnant by him. Now, that relationship was abusive, and she struggled with growing up very young becoming a mom at thirteen.

54:39 Can you imagine. But not only was she struggling in that aspect, but she was married to the very guy that got her pregnant at thirteen, and he mistreated her. They were not a good match. This was an accidental pregnancy that resulted in a marriage, and the fighting and the bickering and the mistreatment was very clear that that happened. And there's a report that shows that Kathy stabbed her ex husband, Chuck with a corkscrew. In front of Colin as well. As they went outside, the argument just got bigger and bigger and bigger, and she ended up penning her ex husband with her car like up against the house. Okay, and clearly that is violent and that should not happen.

55:23 So I'm telling you that there is instability here. But I also want to add that Chuck, her ex husband, was a problematic character himself, and I feel compelled to add all of that so you get the full picture here. So Kathy grew up, though she had her children, she grew up and she became an English teacher by trade, and her students absolutely loved her. There's no question about this. They loved her so much. And she loved her students so much that she had one student one time that had such a bad home life that she allowed that child to move in with them temporarily just to help that kid out. Even though her home life was in shambles, she still allowed this kid to come home and tried to give some sense of normalcy to this child who was just struggling so terribly in that child's home life. Now, how was she repaid for this goodness that she tried to help this child with. Well, Chuck, the ex husband, allegedly had an inappropriate relationship with that minor female child that she moved into their home and was trying to help out. And this just threw her over the edge. It made her absolutely sick. Not only that, but it broke her heart.

56:42 And so all of this was gasoline on fire in a life that toxic is just an understatement of what is going on here. I mean, no wonder they divorced, It's just nothing good is going on here. But it wasn't for lack of trying. Kathy worked so hard with Colin, and she wanted him to succeed. For example of this, not just saying that to be nice. For example, in the year that he was with her before she died, he was three years behind in school because he had been living with his dad for those years. He was three years behind where he should have been academically. She was able in the year that he when he came in he moved in with her, she was able in one year to move him up and to meet grade level she was a teacher at heart, and she did.

57:38 She tried her best to pour into her son. She believed in him. And my personal feelings, which you may not care about, but my personal feelings are that Kathy was a mix of emotional issues mixed with a bit of I guess what you would call arrested development. And I think that that comes from becoming pregnant at thirteen as a child and becoming an adult when you're not even an adult yourself, and growing up together basically with your children. That's my personal feeling, and I did a lot of research on this, and part of Kathy's issue in that respect when it came to parenting was that she would just get in her own way sometimes and it's almost frustrating, but she would get in her own way.

58:21 And I'm gonna give you an example of what I mean when. Deputy Christopher Ellis arrived to the house after that domestic violent situation. When the deputy arrived, Colin acted very sheepish and says, you know, I didn't want to hurt anybody, and you know, blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah, and this is just so horrible, and I'm a victim here. But if you know Colin, like his probation officer knew Colin, then you would realize that that was part of the game that Colin played. Because Colin would show respect to hire authority such as police or someone that could do him something. If someone had money, for example, that they would spend on him, if they could do something for Colin.

59:05 He was sheepish and mild and whatever, but he would turn on you in a second in terms of respect and everything if he did not get his way. So this was proven, okay, because Colin acted so mild when that male adult showed up, that male cop showed up in that domestic violence situation. But once he was sent to jail and he wasn't getting his way and he was going to be locked up, his tune completely changed. And this is what I mean right now. When I say Kathy got in her own way, hear me out. So Colin was nice and polite when his mother bought him coffee, or when his mother bought him video games or his Xbox or his computer, or when she bought him that brand new Jetta that he drove. He was very when that happened, but he hated being told what to do, so he would show tons of love when he was getting things, but the second that he did not comply with basic requests at his house, like clean your room or I need you to go wash those dishes, he would turn into a complete ass. And so Cathy couldn't seem to understand this. She did not seem to grasp the fact that her love for him was unconditional, but his love for her was absolutely conditional. It was only when he was getting something, or he was having fun or going on a vacation or getting a car,

1:00:39 that he was so loving towards her, and she took the bait every damn time. Then she would become overwhelmed with anger whenever he would defy her, or because the flip flop of the way he treated her was just so emotionally jarring to her, someone who already had all of these emotional troubles. She just did know how to deal with it. And so Kathy was abused by her ex, and. Now her own son is showing some of that same abusive type of manipulation in behavior, but she just couldn't see what it was. And so when Colin was sent to this Charlotte Behavioral Health Center for his misbehavior under what's called a Baker Act. Okay and real quick, the criteria to meet for a Baker Act commitment is having either mental illness, you're exhibiting bizarre behavior that you may pose a risk of harm to someone else or even yourself, or refusing to receive treatment even though you understand that there are high risks here and you're not behaving correctly.

1:01:43 If that's what can get you committed under a Baker Act, well, Charlotte Behavioral Health was only more of an acute or a short term facility for mental health issues, and it wasn't long term, which means they would only hold you for about seventy two hours to stabilize your behavior or your mood. Well, when Colin was sent there, they then released him. So the facility just a few hours after the domestic violence thing, and they brought him there and they did admit him under that Baker Act because of being harmful to other people or put and potentially going to do more harm. When the facility went to release him, they were so worried that he was going to be an issue that they called an officer to assist with his release. Like they're letting him out, and they wanted an officer to be there. So that officer was Sergeant Michael Snyder. So when he got to that crisis stabilization unit at that Charlotte Behavioral Health Center, he says that usually when people are arrest, first of all, there's usually not an issue. They get released, they walk out, and they're picked up by whomever is picking him up, and then they just go home. But that was not the case whenever he showed up for Colin's release. So when he got there, Colin walked straight out of the door and walked straight to Officer Snyder, like directly to him, and said, I need to be a Baker, act committed. Again, those were his own his words to the officer. He

1:03:14 was very matter of fact and very mission oriented when he addressed that officer, and the officer says, time out. You're just not being released. Why do you need to go back in? And he told that officer because he was either going to kill himself or he was going to kill his mother. Well, the officer was very surprised and he said, okay, well, how do you plan on doing this? Trying to kind of gather more information on his thought process here, and Colin didn't miss a beat. He told the officer exactly how he planned to kill his mother. He said, I don't know exactly which way, but I will find a way, and then he listed out the matter of fact ways he probably would plan to do that. He said, I'm either going to throw her out of a moving car, or I'm going to shoot her, or I'm gonna stabber. He didn't ever say that he was afraid of his mother. He didn't say that she had hurt him or anything like that. He told that officer that I don't know how I'm gonna behave if she upsets me.

1:04:16 And that's very different. I want you to understand the difference here. She didn't say. He didn't say I'm afraid of my mom. I want to go back into the facility. He came out of the facility and said, I want to go back in because I'm going to kill my mom. Are you following me here? That's so different, And he continued to be adamant that he needed to be Baker acted again, and you know what they did. They turned right back around and they readmitted him back into the hospital because they were very afraid that he was going to go hurt his mother. So basically he got his way. His mother couldn't tell him what to do in the hospital. I hope this is all kind of making sense, the way these dominoes are kind of falling. Well, when he was released from that facility again because again it's short term, he was sent to a place called Sandy Pines, which is a residential facility for mental health help. This is a sixty to ninety day program. But like I said a minute ago, Sandy just got in her own way as far as this parenting went. Because Colin when he got there, didn't want to stay there, and so he was being all pitiful and all sweet and I don't want to be here, and so getting that love from him, Sandy caved in and she went and checked him out of the facility only three days after he was put there.

1:05:35 I know, right now you're going, well, damn, I mean, you know that wasn't very smart. Well, of course, you know it doesn't sound smart at all. But think about people who love people who are drug addicts. How common is the story of addiction where people give them money and give them somewhere to sleep and basically are helping them even though they're trying to love them. But you can't love people to death, you know, it doesn't work. And she checked him out well, but that's because he was showing her love and attention that she so desperately wanted from her son. So that Detective Lacey that was working with Colin and Kathy knew him and her long enough that she knew their quirks and their issues as far as what was going on in that household, and her opinion was that, and she told the detective of Kathy's death that, you know, Kathy would listen at first to my advice whenever I would give that in dealing with Colin and his poor behavior, but then it just seemed to never failed that Kathy would always give in even when he had this poor behavior. She clearly loved her son, even though he told her, I AM going to kill you. She just loved her child. So Detective Lacey kept trying to talk some sent into her, being like, look, he's threatening to hurt you, he's already hurt you. You need to listen to what I'm telling you as far as my advice goes. And Kathy looked that detective in the eye prior to her death and said, I can accept that fate if I at least get to spend more time with my boy. That is so tragic to

1:07:11 be afraid of your own child, but to love them so much that you are willing to just risk injury to be with them. My heart goes out to anyone who has either children with mental illness or violent children, because you just are never gonna. Not love your baby, not if you're a mom, you know, And she. Would just think back, you know, we had such good times together. We love going on trips. Their favorite thing, or her favorite thing to do with him, was that they would watch movies together. They loved going to the movies. And while Kathy was trying her best to mother Colin, one of the other main issues was that Colin had no respect. For her none.

1:07:51 He had no respect for her as a person, as a mother, and he had no respect for her rules. So Kathy was really struggling with the parental control because he did not respect her authority in any way. And the reason that there was a text on Cathy's phone from Detective Lacey the day of her death was because Cathy had tried to call her over an issue she was having with Colin that very day, but by the time Detective Lacey returned the call, Kathy didn't answer, and by now we all know she couldn't because she was dead. So basically, Colin, this was the issue that was being had. Colin had stayed with his grandmother whenever he and his mother weren't getting along, he would always deflect back to his grandma. Well, the day before he was arrested for the battery against his mother, Colin went and stayed the night with his grandmother, Susan. Well, Cathy called her mom and said, you've got to return Colin the next day to me. So when they got together for dinner, that's whenever that battery occurred. Okay, if that's making sense, I'm kind of flashing back. So the courts put into play a thing called a seven fifty one plan, which is basically it's signed in front of a notary, it's filed with the courts, and a judge has to sign off on it. But a seven to fifty one plan basically said that both Kathy and her mother, Susan, both had custody of Colin, and that basically they both could make decisions for him without the other's consent, and it just made sense because there was so much turmoil between the

1:09:23 family dynamic. However, the day of Kathy's death, she was very upset with her mother, Susan, because Colin had gone to stay at Susan's house. But Kathy's issue with that was that Colin was staying alone at Cathy's house and Kathy was three hours away from him, so he was being unsupervised. So what had happened was Susan had some other properties, Susan went to go stay at Wonder for other properties that she owned, and considering everything that we know so far about colin poor choices and his misbehavior, I have to agree with Kathy about this. He cannot go stay a teenager unsupervised at your house whenever it's a custody agreement, meaning that he needs to be in your custody, not by himself.

1:10:12 So here's a little bit more info on this family. After Colin's parents divorced, he chose to live with his dad in Oklahoma for three years before he moved in with his mom in Florida in Port Charlotte. So while he would chose to live with his dad, Kathy missed. Him immensely, and the dad wouldn't let her talk to Colin on a consistent basis, So that leads into why she was so wanting Colin with her all the time. But there were struggles. I mean, he didn't live with his mom for three years, three formative years, really important years. And so the older brother, Christopher, had.

1:10:54 Lived with Kathy, but he was now an adult and he had moved out, and Kathy was now wanting to make up for lost time now that her son had moved back in with her. So that's why she was taking him on the cruises and out of the country into Disney World and doing all of that. She gave him everything when he came back because she wanted to make the most of that time and to make up for lost time. So they lived in Charlotte County, just the two of them, and she wanted to spend a lot of time with him, but she did expect responsibility out of him, and damn it she did. She demanded respect. I am your mother, you will respect my household. She had told him.

1:11:34 I need you to weed eat the yard, I need you to clean your room, and I need you to throw away your trash. So why was Colin at his grandmother Susan's house to begin with, the day that Cathy was killed. Well, it's because she had those responsibilities that she expected of him, Okay, but Colin. Susan was so afraid of Colin after that battery incident that I want you to know something. Susan set up ring cameras inside her house as well as outside of her house because she was so afraid of Colin. But what if I told you that those ring cameras captured everything that morning before Kathy died, And that is everything I'm about to tell you. So what it showed was that basically, no matter what Kathy did, Colin was just simply disrespectful and non compliant with her requests and her wishes. So the day before her death, for example, Kathy asked Colin to help her put together a little ikea bookshelf that she had bought, but he absolutely positively refused.

1:12:46 He didn't want to. That was the only reason why, no, I don't want to. So they kind of got into an argument about that, like, come on, son, I need help, just help me put the bookshelf together. Then when she asked him to weed eat she was clean in the head. How else. While this was happening, the ring camera records all of this, and she's doing the laundry, his laundry, by the way, and he's refusing to help her put this bookshelf together. Then she goes in his room, which was filthy, and she had asked him to clean the room, and she found ants all in his room and they were being. Attracted by the food that he left in there. And she just got pissed off. I've told you over and over again, quit leaving food in your room. It's attracting animals or ants. You're not doing anything I need you to do. And she just got pissed off. Hey, I'm here.

1:13:34 I'm a woman's woman. I want you to know that. And to this point right now, I'm telling you I can't agree with Kathy Moore. This is ridiculous. You know. She got so pissed off and it just started a fight between them, his behavior and then her getting pissed off about it. It turned into a huge fight. Colin was telling her, I don't want to help you with any of that. I want to go take a walk, and she said, I tell you what, You're not going to help me around this house. And you want to go take a walk, then just keep on walking, son, and you can just go to your grandma's house. And so that's what he did. He got in his car and he left. Rather than dealing with his mom's nagging, as he viewed it, he just left and went to his grandmother's house. Well, Kathy was pissed off about this because not only did he not help her, but it was like he was benefiting from his misbehavior because he was going to a house that I've now told you nobody was at and nobody was giving him supervision.

1:14:30 And so she texted him when he left. To go to the grandmother's house, and she said, please just come back home, okay, we need to talk about this, and he ignored her, so she got mad even madder, and she texted him, if you don't come home, then I'm going to cancel your car insurance and I'm going to cut off this phone. I'm not going to supply you with all of this when you're acting this way and you're treating me like this. But he couldn't care less, and he continued to ignore her, and the more she thought about it, the more upset she became. Because that morning She let Colin use her credit card to go to Starbucks and buy him a coffee of expensive coffee, and to buy him a sandwich, you know, and he was super nice whenever she was buying him these treats, but then when she asked for help, he turns into a complete ass and won't do anything for me. And then you leave, You drove away in the car that I bought you, and then you're gonna talk to other people on the cell phone that I bought you, and I'm paying for the plan, but when I call or text you, you're gonna ignore me. Now you're at your grandmother's house, who's not only not there, but she didn't make him do any chores or anything. He had full rain to do whatever he wanted and no consequences. So beyond frustrated at that point, she's just fuming. She did all of the chores that she asked him to do.

1:15:51 She weed, heated, she put together the bookshelf, she cleaned up, and then out of frustration, she videoed herself doing some of it, and she sent the video to Colin to say, look how fast I was able to complete this. This wasn't very hard to do. This is so ridiculous, and now we're in this situation because you just couldn't do this for me and help me out. And so she continued to call Colin, but he blocked her phone call at that point. Who you want to piss me off? Sidestep? You want to piss me off? Block my number? When we're in a fight, I'm gonna show up at your house. So she continued to call him, but then she realized that she was she was blocked. So Cathy called her mother and said, he'd better call me back, or I'm coming to take that car.

1:16:35 I will physically come take that car. It's mine. I could use the money anyway. I don't have a lot of money, and I'm paying for that cell phone that he's ignoring me on. He better call me back. The other issue, too, was that he had missed work, and that was an issue because that was part of his his I guess probation plan was that you can't miss work, You've got to check in, you've got to do all of these things. And not only had he missed war, but he hadn't followed up with this probation officer like he was supposed to. And from what I understand from what I read through. He even emailed his probation officer saying, I know I'm violating my probation, but tough shit. Basically so, the ring camera at Kathy's home showed that she was alive and well having this argument, and I listened to the argument the whole thing over over the phone with her mother. After she hangs up, Colin's not calling her back. The mom she realizes is three hours away and he's on supervis She goes and she changes clothes into some blue jean shorts and a T shirt. She threw her leather backpack purse on her shoulder, and she left the house to go get Colin and to bring his smart ass back home. On her way to Charlotte or to Polk County, Kathy also texted saying that she was not going to be in trouble herself for not following the rules and for failing to report him as a missing juvenile, which she apparently was supposed to do. And she said, I'm not going to be in trouble because y'all aren't doing what you're supposed to be doing, she told Kathy, And she told Colin in

1:18:09 a text message that she was going to sell his car to CarMax and that it's a done deal. I'm done. It's over at this point, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. She was furious that he broke probation and all over the refusal to help do with chores. So she drove to the grandmother's house and she arrived there around five PM. And that's when Miss Sally and her husband were leaving to go to church. Miss Nancy was porch sitting and they saw her park the car, then back out and storm up the driveway towards Colin. Colin came outside and that's where again the neighbor saw Colin and Kathy verbally fighting as she was putting items in the car, which, by the way, crime scene photos showed that a laptop was part of that, so I don't know if she was taking the electronics or if it was already in the car, but it was in the car, and she eventually said something to him that just set him off, and that's when the neighbors saw Colin grab his mother, buy that handful of hair, and drag her around the back of the car towards the house. And wouldn't you know, that neighbor, Nancy, when questioned by police, also later admitted that she did see him snatch her by the hair, and that was whenever she got up and she went inside the house. So not one, but two neighbors verified he grabbed his mother by the hair and started dragging her into the house. She was screaming and she was struggling, saying you're hurting me, let go, but he never let go.

1:19:37 And during her struggle, Kathy, who was known to wear AirPods at all times because she talked to people and listen to music all the time, as she's struggling and holding her hands up at her hair and being drug around the back of the car, that's when that AirPod fell out and it bounced into the mulch at that flower bed, right on the side. And they continued to struggle up the steps and into the house, and once they got into the house, her air podcase fell out, and that struggle continued to ensue in that living room as he continued to drag her through the kitchen. So they're in a volatile fight at this point, and at some point he grabbed that knife out of that butcher block and he swiped it at his mom, who had ripped away from him, and she threw her hands up when the knife sliced her between her thumb and her pointer finger, so she began to bleed, and realizing that she was now not just in a fight or altercation with her son, that she was fighting for her life.

1:20:36 At this point, they continued to struggle and to fight. By this point, she is facing him, and whether he was still holding her by her hair or not is unknown, but it is clear that he reached back with the knife, raised that foot long knife above his head six foot two tall versus five foot two tall, and he's got her there, and he violently rammed that knife and stabbed it straight through his mother's neck in that downward motion, front to back. He stabbed her so hard that the knife went completely through her neck. The blade pierced through the other side of her neck, and he pulled back after he did it ripped the knife back out of her throat, which made that wound gape open, and where she began to bleed profusely. She could not breathe because her airway was severed. The blood began to squirt out of her neck. It began pouring down her neck so it's also pouring down into the structures of her throat with every heartbeat. And they were still struggling briefly when she slipped in her own blood. Her flipflops flew off.

1:21:49 She slammed down on the ground, still struggling, her feet going through the blood. And she bled so much and so fast that the booksack she had on is covered in blood, not only on the back but on the inside, full of it as she's gasping for her breath until she lost consciousness because she bled out like that. And that's when Colin, realizing what he had done, called nine one one and wanted to help, but it was too late. What was done was done, and his mother would die in front of his eyes within minutes. The woman who loved him, who gave birth to him and regardless of her problems, tried to give him a life, was dead.

1:22:37 And because of what, like, really think about this, because of what It's beyond logic and it defies the rules of nature. Okay, and y'all know, Look, I'm southern. I'm southern as they come. But your elders are to be respected. Even when you disagree with them, you still show respect. I was raised that way, and I'm proud of it. Still show respect, honor thy mother and thy father. That is how I was raised, Okay, And even if you weren't, it's the law of nature that the person that brought you into this world, that was trying to love you. That you can argue, and you can fuss, and you can fight, but to stab that person through the throat with such violence, to drag her by her hair up some stairs and into a house, it does not fit.

1:23:32 It doesn't go that way. It shouldn't go that way, and it can't go that way. And then for Colin to claim that his mother fell on the knife, even in the past when he told multiple officers that he would kill his mother when he was Baker acted twice for threatening to kill his mother, telling them how he was going to kill his mother, How do you think that went? What do you do you think took place? So Kathy's brother, his name was John, Kathy's brother, John called and broke the news to her dad that she was dead. His daughter was dead. And he was stunned, as you can imagine when he got that phone call.

1:24:16 But he was more so stunned that he recalled a conversation that he had with Colin. When Colin was having a bad day, Colin told his grandfather over the phone, I'm tired of these two bitches. He was talking about his mother and his grandmother. I'm tired of these two bitches, and i want to kill my mom, specifically saying, and I quote, I want to feel and smell the blood as her life drains from her. Now, he knew how Colin was a difficult kid, and he knew that Colin acted out, so he didn't he didn't freak out in the moment when Colin said this. He tried to talk him down and said, look, you know you can't say these types of things. I know your mabbage can't talk like that because you can talk evil into reality. Colin, don't say that. Don't manifest some type of destiny here.

1:25:12 And Cathy after that, told her father that Colin has been threatening both her and his and her mother. So with everything. That had taken place, the grandfather called the police to say, I think you need to know this. So the police now had uncovered everything that I'm telling you during their investigation. Now the grandfather has also said this, with all of that that happened, Colin Griffith was arrested and charged with first degree murder, kidnapping, and violation of a no contact order because of the domestic battery with his mother. He just went to trial. He went to trial at the end of twenty twenty three, and after a multiple day trial, Colin Griffith was found not guilty of the murder of his mother, Kathy Griffith, and he was released from jail upon his acquittal. Now that you've heard that, I bet you're wondering where did Colin go to live after his release because he's killed his own mother. Well, I'm glad you asked. Maybe he'll go a look with his father again. Well, that's actually going to be a hard No. Was it because his father was mad at him?

1:26:41 No? Was it because his father no longer wanted a relationship with his son. No? Was it because he had been accused of murdering his mother. No, that's not it either. The reason Colin wouldn't go live with his father is because Colin had murdered his father eighteen months before killing his mother. Did you just hear what I just told you? The guy who was just acquitted of his mother's murder had, in fact shot his father to death just eighteen months before he killed his mother. In twenty twenty three, Colin admitted to fatally shooting his father, forty three year old Charles Griffith, and he told investigators in that time too that he acted in self defense, because Colin claimed in his mother's trial his mom attacked him and then fell on the knife, that's why she died.

1:27:55 But eighteen months earlier, when he shot his father. Twice, he claimed that it was in self defense, and the initial investigation that was done on his father's death showed major inconsistencies between Colin's claims and the evidence that was at the scene. But as soon as the officer started to ask more questions at the scene, he demanded an attorney, just like he did in his mother's case. But Colin was charged with first degree murder of his father, but the prosecutors ended up having to drop the charges because, in their words, they could not disprove Colin's assertion of the self defense. It was then that Colin was released in March of twenty twenty three, after his mother his family made a fifty thousand dollars bond for him. He was released to his mother and sent to Florida, who, he then would claim eighteen months later, pulled a knife on him and he killed her in self defense. I don't know how to word this, but it seems like there has been some injustices in this world in recent history.

1:29:14 The jury in his mother's murder trial, there were limitations here on what they knew. They knew that he had killed someone in the past, but the judge in the trial ruled that the jury could not be told who he killed. That way they would remain impartial. But damn, y'all, doesn't it seem super important to know that he's already offed one parent and now he's on trial for offering another one. But you know that's not what happened. Colin needs to go buy a fucking lotto ticket. I guess, is all I can say, because that's the luckiest sob on the planet Earth right now. Prosecutors in his mother's trial brought up the fact that not only was Ca taking away his possessions she bought him, but she also said, get this, she was going to send a ring video of him that was taken at her house.

1:30:12 She told him. Before she arrived at the grandmother's house, she told him that she was going to send the ring videos that she had admitting he had admitted with his own words to planning the murder of his father on four separate occasions. She told him she never physically threatened him, but she told him she was going to not only take away his things, but she was going to provide that proof, that video proof of his guilt against his dad's murder. Kathy also texted her own mom and said she was going to go release those videos. In that audio as. Well, she was telling everybody she wasn't bluffing anymore. And I'm of the opinion of this. I think that Kathy made a lot of threats towards Colin as far as disciplining him, but she never followed through.

1:31:01 On any of them. And I think that he knew this, and this time she was not bluffing, and she had the video to prove it, and he knew it, and he snapped. Colin's motive for killing her was that he was afraid the first killing he did was gonna come back and bite him in the ass. And after he read that text, he got furious and he enacted the plan. He had told multiple people that he was gonna do to her the exact same claim for both parents to have pulled a knife on him and he had to kill them both.

1:31:41 No way, I'm not buying that. I don't buy it. Statistically. Police officers. Police officers, the ones who face trouble every day of their career. Statistically, they never shoot their guns in their entire career in the line of duty, the ones dealing with hardened criminals every day, a job filled with violence and anger and unreasonable people, and they never shoot their gun in their career statistically. But a seventeen year old had to do it, not once, but twice before the age of eighteen. I don't buy that, and it's my opinion. I think that the jury got it wrong. The jury had the option, by the way of choosing something lesser than first degree murder.

1:32:34 They could have chosen a negligent homicide. It was on the table. All of this was on the table. They did not have to choose a first degree murder, and they let him just walk, not even a manslaughter like nothing, You're just gonna let him walk. I don't know if the jury listened to the same trial that I did. I'm so serious and I'm not one to usually come down on this on our process. It is our process, it is what it is. But I don't think we listened to the same trial. I just don't. Regardless of Kathy's struggles, her problems, and her issues, I don't think the child that she tried so hard to make right and do right was a person that she would try to attack with a knife and kill. He dragged her into the house by her hair. He had no marks on him, he had no defensive wounds on him from supposedly being attacked with a knife. But she was bruised, scraped, cut, plus stabbed all the way.

1:33:40 Through her throat. No way, no way. Something I know about victims of domestic violence is this, they often love their abusers. They often love their abusers, and that's why they put up with it. And in this case, it was her own son. Of course she could and just throw him away. She grew him, it was her own child. Of course she couldn't throw him away. She even voiced that to that probation officer that if I meet my faith that way, then so be it. At least I get to spend some time with my baby that. I've lost out on. And she fought literally to the end for and with her child.

1:34:21 The Oklahoma District Attorney's office said, if sufficient evidence is presented, they can reopen his father's murder case. So I guess for now all we can do is wait and see what happens. Kathy wanted Colin to behave but she didn't get that. Kathy wanted him to love her and to spend time with her, but she didn't get that either. And I want to add this as well. Kathy wanted to be cremated. Those were her final wishes, and she wanted her ashes spread in Key Largo at the Christ the Abyss Jesus statue that's underwater. But according to her own mother, she didn't get that either. This is a direct quote that I found online. Colin Griffith is a violent person who has now killed both his father and his mother. He had a pattern of violence where he didn't get his way, and the two very people who gave him the gift of life paid the price. Imagine leaving two corpses behind you and somehow convincing people that you were the victim.

1:35:36 I just cannot even figure this one out, so I guess I'll keep thinking about it. That's all I can I can imagine to do so. Until next time, lock your doors, trust your instincts, and by God, I want you to thoroughly vet your own offspring, because you never know what little Timmy's gonna pull faster, the victim card or the trigger