Vigilante Part 2 | The Gary Plauche Story

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

0:51 Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, kJ here, I'm back for another episode of Unspeakable. I know you missed me last week, but I'm back and I'm going to make sure that you get a long episode in the conclusion the Gary Ploche story. But before I get into that, y'all, I got so many patrons, my new people, I need to say hello too, and one lady told me online that she is quote unquote patiently waiting for her shout out. So miss Stacy O'Brien, girl, it's your time to shine. How are you doing? Welcome to being a patron. I'm so glad that you here. Thanks for patiently waiting.

1:32 But I've gotten to you so hey, miss Stacy, I'm so glad to have you officially in in my patron page. And you get to talk with all the other people if you want to. I've also got Chris Hyak, how are you doing all the way from Minnesota? Welcome, Thank you so much for joining. It means so much to me to have y'all joined the patron. Miss Victoria Jones all the way from New York, my goodness. My first time to New York was actually last summer. I stayed there for like two weeks, so I had a blast, such a good time, and I enjoyed all the lights and the action and I saw I think I think it was eight Broadway shows. So we did good. And guess what, Miss Victoria, my daughter sang at Carnegie Hall, and I'm so proud to say that. So shout out to New York. Hailey Siaka, what are you doing? Child? Listen? Is there no greater compliment in this world than a former student willing to join to support her former teacher. There's just something about that. It means so much to me. I know she just had her a new baby girl, and she's doing great things. So Haley, hey, baby, and I'm so thankful that you joined, and hey, you need to come and say hey to me sometimes because I'm miss you, mister Michael York all the way from Ohio. What's up, Michael.

2:49 I'm so glad to have you. Welcome. And I've also got Miss Cheryl Read now she's in Arizona. Hey, Miss Cheryl, y'all people from all over the US. This is just crazy. Miss Cheryl. You also have another friend in Arizona that joined, Miss Ronda Grubs. So what's up Arizona, Miss Grubs and Miss Reid. Thank you so much for joining and being a patron member. I can't do it without y'all. Seriously, this is you make this happen, and you're making me such a better podcaster and giving me so many opportunities that otherwise I just wouldn't have. And I hope that you know that from the bottom of my heart. And then right here in the Denham Springs, right here in the armpit of Louisiana hanging out with me, is miss Amber mclin. Hey, Amber, thank you so much for joining Patron. I mean so much to have my local people supporting me.

3:34 And then, last, but certainly not least, is Abby Campbell all the way from Pennsylvania. Hey, Abby, welcome to the family, and I'm so glad to have y'all's patron members. You can speak to me directly if you're a patron member too. By the way, that's me talking to you. So all you gotta do is get on my Facebook, or you can go to unspeakable the podcast dot com. You can click the merch section and then become a patron and you just click It's persimple. Takes five minutes and you can become a patron member too. Now I also have some so just exciting news. Can y'all freaking believe that the first live sold out in what two days? I was shocked, you know, I'm proud as punch.

4:16 I just was dumbfounded. I'm so excited that I get to meet all of you in person and then give you a live show. But a lot of people were sad because they said, wait a minute, and we didn't get our tickets. Some people said I was waiting for pay days. Some people said, oh no, I was gonna get on. I didn't realize how fast they would go, but they did so lucky for you this morning. As of the time that I'm recording this. We just secured a second date and it's gonna be Saturday, the twenty ninth of July. Go in there, get you a ticket. They're selling fast already. They've only been live, I think for two hours and they're just flying out. So go get you a ticket there. And that second date's been added. You asked, stamped my foot, snarled and blue smoke at Jimothy and I said, Jimothy, make it happen. And actually none of that happened. He was like, Kelly, we're gonna make a second date because it's a high demand.

5:05 And I was like, do it, boy, and he did. So go get you a ticket, y'all. I can't wait. It's going to be a blast of a great show too. It's a great story and I think you're going to really enjoy it. But let's jump into part two of a Father's Revenge, the Gary Plochet story. Now, quick recap. Remember when I left off that you know, Jeff was Jeff Dusette was a karate instructor who had weaseled his way into this family and had started taking a lot of advantage of one of the children, which was Jody, And you know a lot, a lot of parents say that they would do anything for their children. But this case, I'm telling you it's one of those legends.

5:46 This is what legends are made of. Trust me, beast mode engaged on this one, all right. So remember, if you're just you know what, if you're new and you're just starting to listen, go back in episode. Go listen to the first part because I don't want to spoil it for you if you hadn't heard the first part, But go back because this is a part two. But this story takes a place where I grew up in the great study of Louisiana Baton Rouge to be exact. And let me tell you something. Yeah, we maybe last in education and poverty stricken, but damn it, we know how to cook. We know how to have fun in a muddy bayou. We hunt, we fish, and we love every day. And some may even say that we're a drinking town with a football problem. But Gary Ploche took advantage of all of it, all right.

6:30 So that's Jody's daddy, And we're back in nineteen eighty four and Gary was having some trouble controlling himself and his wife June was fed up she had asked Gary to leave with a great deal of sadness. Gary left and moved in with his parents and they would alternate custody of the kids, you know, every other weekend. And where we left off last episode, Jody's uncle, if you remember, he saw Jeff Doosett kiss Jody, who's eleven, on the lips, and the uncle became irate. Everyone dismissed it though as trying to get back at Jeff, because Jeff the night before had popped his son in the head like kind of like boy quip, you know, gave him a little pop on the head, and the uncle got mad because the kid got mad. Now, also remember Gary, Jody's father, felt sorry for Jeff because Jeff was just barely scraping by. Gary invited him over for dinners. He had somewhat befriended him and really embraced, you know, Jeff and the family. However, do not take Gary Ploche for a fool, okay, because he's not. Eventually, y'all, he would grow suspicious the more Jeff start was coming around. He could not put his finger on it at first, okay, but he began wondering, you know, Jeff is here a lot. Is ha having a relationship with June right, you know there he separated from his wife, and he started asking his kids, you know, hey, is Jeff staying over? Has he been spending the night as he's staying over a lot? And the kids always said, no,

8:00 Daddy, that's not what's happening. He's not here. But Gary knew something was a miss in his soul. He just couldn't put his finger on it. Now we know at this point Jeff has been doing more than spending just extra time with Jody, but his parents don't. He's been raping and molesting eleven year old Jody for about a year. But Jody is so fearful to upset his already damaged family and home he just doesn't say anything. And at the same time, Jeff begins really confiding in Jody about his problems and also his future plans, and you get the feeling that, you know, poor Jody's almost playing the role of Jeff's like significant other, even though it's not a willing participation. That's kind of how Jeff is treating it in his skewed world. But remember, Jody is eleven. Please don't let that get lost in the story. He is eleven years old, y'all. He's not even a teenager yet. He's a little boy. So Jeff begins telling Jody the plans that he has this desire to go to California. He says he has fond memories of California, and the courts, if you recall, are after Jeff. They want that fifteen thousand dollars that he owed people. And Jeff's world is caving in on him. His schemes are catching up with him.

9:24 You know, when I worked at Angola, there was something I always did tours there little side note, and I would always warn people before we would walk in to talk to the end because they would always get to talk to some of the inmates and just I mean, I hate to like smoke screening here, but usually it's just the inmates that spoke really well and we're kind of entertaining. But I would always tell the people, please do not let this show of charisma and they're sad sob Puppy's story. Please don't let that, you know, make you forget that they've done something very serious to put them behind these bars. And the first three letters in convict are what and everybody in the bus would always go con always remember that, right, Well, Jeff is no different. His schemes were catching up to him. And you know, also it's kind of funny, but criminals do this thing where they they freak out and they assume that the police know more than they do, Okay, kind of like when you're a kid, I guess and you you know you did something wrong and everything your mom or dad says, You're like, oh, do they know? Criminals do that? Okay, Like on a traffic stop, they literally get pulled over for speeding and then they'll end up in a shootout with the police who have no idea they just robbed a bank. You know, it's almost comical if it wasn't just tragic.

10:37 But you know, I think Jeff was kind of in this situation where he kind of thought that the adults may be on to him. I don't know if that he thought they were on to him about Jody necessarily, but people were starting to figure out that Jeff was kind of a con man and he was not worth what he put out there that he was worth. And if they weren't onto him now, he figured they would be soon. So he needed to take his and I call it quote unquote possession meaning Jody, and leave before anyone could find out anymore about them or hold his feet to the fire for the crime that he was committing both financially fraudulently and then sexually criminally against Jody. So it's about this time that Jeff drops a bomb on Jody.

11:24 He looks him in the face, this eleven year old boy, and he says, look, I'm leaving Jody, but I'm taking you with me. You're coming with me. And inside Jody was scared, and he absolutely did not want to go with Jeff. There's no question there. He did not want to go. However, again, because he was a child and because it was hard to understand the long term effects of decisions, he reluctantly just went along with Jeff's plan because he feared what Jeff might do if he didn't agree. And it just hurts my heart because I can see this little boy who's scared, who can't see the long term effects of Oh my god, if I like run away with Jeff, I may not come back.

12:13 Right. Kids don't look that far in the future. That's why we don't hold kids accountable in court for their actions when they're little They don't foresee the long term effects of what they're doing, and Jody was no different. He just knew that if he did not agree, he was afraid Jeff would do something. So as if it's everything so far of you know, if it's just not enough to make your blood boil, everything he's been doing to this boy, it infuriates me that Jeff would get jealous of Jody wanting to spend time with others than himself, and he did. He acted like a scorned lover almost, you know, he'd get mad at Jody for not wanting to spend every waking moment with Jeff. And I'm just like ill, you know, you're a grown ass man, a grown ass man with a beard and a hairy asshole, and you're using over a little boy. And it makes me want to vomit, right, And honestly, iime, can you it kind of inspires my you know, justice driven inner serial killer, Like it makes me so angry when people prey on children. But that's what Jeff did.

13:16 And Jody, you know, he you know, Jody is scared of Jeff, but he's also smart enough to assess and properly so that at this point Jeff is sick like mentally. Now, don't get it twisted, all right. I don't mean sick like he needs a pill. I mean sick like he needs a solid ass whooping. But I don't get the feeling Jody. You know, a child wanted Jeff hurt necessarily. He just wanted Jeff to stop hurting him. If that makes sense, I don't. It's almost like as a child. I don't see from what I've read and learned that Jody had he hated what Jeff did, but I don't know that he necessarily hated Jeff because he thought he was a friend. It's like that misplaced love for someone, and it's heartbreaking, you know, to even say that a child would have more empathy for his adult abuser than the adult and that just isn't the proper order of the world. But that's kind of what was going on. And to fully understand that hole that Jeff had on Jody, she on this little nugget. Jeff was secretly sleeping in the storeroom at Jody's house.

14:28 Unbeknownst to Jody's mom. Jeff was telling everybody that he was living at his brother's house when really he had been You know, asking Jody to bring him blankets and to hold the secret. Hey, I'm actually sleeping out in your garage, out in your storeroom, but don't tell anybody. And in all reality, Jeff had been kicked out of his brother's house after a fight, okay, and as usual, he had Jody shouldering the weight of his problems and manipulated him into thinking that he was actually helping by lying to his own mother. That's scary. You know, you're going to learn a lot more about Jeff. But to know that there's a grown man sleeping in your garage and you don't even know, and your child feels like he has to hold this secret, you know, where he's not being loyal to his friend.

15:18 It's just so twisted. Eventually, though, Judy did find the blankets and would question Jody about it, but Jody lied to protect pooral Jeff, you know, his friend. Now, Judy wasn't an idiot though, all right, And she was worried about And this makes me think of my own mama here. What would the neighbors think. Judy didn't want anyone thinking that she was in a romantic relationship or anything with Jeff, and she feared someone might say something and she would lose her kids or something. It just didn't set right with her now. Jeff eventually came over one day like normal, and he asked Judy, Hey, Judy, can I borrow your car? Right he was on hard time, I need to borrow your car and he said, I've got this carpet installation job that I need to go do.

16:06 Fun fact hashtag that wasn't true. What do you know? He's lying again. But Judy agreed. It wasn't out of the norm for her to help him out. He said Jody could go with him if he wanted to, which again wasn't out of the norm. He would go to the store and they would hang out. So remember, you know, Judy agreed because they trusted Jeff. Even though they thought something was off, they still trusted Jeff. And boom, Jody and Jeff were gone in the car and just like that, that's simple. Jeff had kidnapped Jody from his mother without even so much as a fight. Remember, Jeff was charming. He weaseled his way into the family dynamic and he built trust. And that is what is scary about offenders like Jeff. You never see them coming, which means you never see them going with your child. It's so common, it's scary, and it's sad. They are that good, y'all. It's not stupid parents, it's skilled con men that make these tragedies happen. Good people lose their children because of really, really talented con men. And I often wonder how many missing children met this very same fate and the perpetrator is still looking the parents in the face innocently. Really think about that. Children go missing all the time and we never hear from them again. Like Pennywise from the Fricking Drain, a fucking evil clown excuse of a human being plays you like a fiddle

17:38 and your child goes missing. It's not because you're a bad parent either, it's because they're that good. And that's what he did. He kidnapped Jody and he left with him. He takes him without even a fight, and it just it trips me out. So, okay, the good news is this, though, when a child goes missing, and you need to know this, police don't have to wait twenty four hours to respond like they do with an adult. So you hear it all the time on TV, and obviously if you're listening to this podcast. You like crime, and you always hear, oh, we have to wait twenty four hours. We have to wait twenty four hours. You do not have to wait twenty four hours when it comes to a child. Think about the Casey Anthony case, right, her kid was gone thirty one days and she never made a report. That's a felony. Now that case made change. How in the hell can you not report your child missing? You know a kid under the age of ten who depends on someone, Well, Judy was the same. Her baby went missing. Jeff never returned her baby. When Jeff takes Jody, a total of nine days would go by and June, y'all, is in a panic.

18:41 She does what any mother would do. She's not even eating, she's waiting by the phone. She's calling everyone she can think of. Where in the hell did he take my son? And a nationwide man hunt would actually ensue over this. Jeff though, y'all, he really didn't have a plan for all of his scheming, all of his conniving, He did not have a plan. So overall he just claimed, and this is kind of twisted, that he wanted June to meet him and that they would become a family to become a family together. But that's a bit construed considering he's raping her child. Don't you think I think that claim is just a cover for his more sadistic wants. I don't buy that. I just that's sorry. I don't buy that. When Jeff takes Jody, immediately Jeff decides, look, we're gonna take the car, but we're gonna go get a bus and we're gonna take off into the sunset. Now what does he do when they get on the bus? I know you want to know, right, does he feed Jody? Did they talk about the plan? Does he ask him are you okay? Are you scared? Nope? He doesn't. He actually goes and makes friends with some old ladies, which he was probably trying to steal their money. I don't know. He shaves his beard, clearly not because he wanted to change his appearance or anything, right sarcasm. But then he promptly begins making out with some random woman on the bus, Like what you know, I'm always shocked, how to hell all these people always just find

20:12 somebody willing to sleep with him and suck face with him on a bus, because like I worked hard to find me a good husband, a good man like and there are just people out here making out with random women on a bus. What a kid they kidnapped anyway, because that's normal, right, but strangely and I thought this was interesting. And when you're getting into the psyche of a kid who's been kidnapped and is also a rape victim, Jodie mentions that he was actually jealous in a weird way because Jeff took him but was giving attention to someone else. And I think there's such honesty in that.

20:52 You know that he says he was jealous, because that's a weird emotion to say there because he didn't want to be raped. He did not want to be having sex with Jeff. But in a way, it's kind of like it's not sexual jealousy. It's more of so, you kidnap me and you're abusing me, but then you're you're going to ignore me for someone else. I kind of like, what a situation to be in as a kid, to be so confused and have this misplaced understanding of what the relationship is, and then also proving his ability to oversee the child he's been raping. He looks at Jody and then he offers Jody the opportunity to quote unquote do her if he wants to do you want to do her? Jody say, fucking kid, y'all. It's an eleven year old kid who has been kidnapped, and this pervert's over here making out with random women and then offering for this kid to jump in on it. It's just it's sick. It's twisted, and it is sick. I mean, in the meantime, a mental patient on the same bus gets kicked off the bus forgiven BJ's to people like, clearly he's taken this child to a safe place. Can you imagine what in the hell is going on on this bus? And this kid is just sitting there, like, what has happened? I had of a good family.

22:18 How am I here? You know? Now Jody ends up falling asleep after looking at Jeff like he's a freaking psycho, and he finds himself on skid row in California. And I know that this happened back in the eighties, but the mother in me is like cringing, and I'm scared, and I even know the outcome of the story. But in this moment, when I found out that Jody was on skid Row with a rapist. It just everything in me hurts, you know, I want to go save this kid. What in the ever loving world must Jody have been feeling at that point. You know, he's far away from home and he's in a mind now to show how conniving Jeff really was. They were completely out of money when they got to skid Row, but Jeff was able to swiftly solve that problem.

23:12 He bought a karate magazine when he got to a store, and Jeff calls a man named al Garza from that karate fighting magazine and he claims to this guy that his van was stolen on a karate trip with these kids. And he asked Garza, hey, you know we're like in this karate family together, right, like you and me? Bro. Is there any way that you would be able to help a fellow, you know, karate instructor out. Would you be able to wire me five hundred and fifty dollars to help Cohn number one? Would you ever think to do that? Just as a normal sane individual. I think I would go sit on the corner and put my chin in my hands and pout before I would think to go con somebody from a magazine out of some money. But then, in an attempt to make even more money, Jeff, who cares for Jody so much, asks him, Hey, will you sleep with men for money to help us out? Can I pump you out? Which Jody emphatically declined to do.

24:18 That would be a no, I'm not going to do that. Kudos did the kid for standing up for himself. It's just to me amazing that they weren't killed either, because, by the way, both Jodi and Jeff had the same level of education. They're both in skid row on a sixth grade education level. Like the blind leading the blind here. But remember, Jeff had charm and he had charisma, as most convicts and con men do. He was a former marine, he had a black belt, he was outgoing, he was strong, so he had what it took to con people that that's what he was good at. So they do get that money and they go find a tell and as heartbreaking and as gut wrenching as it is, this is the night that Jeff, because he has total access to Jody with nobody around, he forces Jody, eleven year old boy, to have sex with him all night long. I don't know what the feeling is right there, but it's you know, I don't know, I don't know how you're supposed to feel about that. This kid, you know, and nobody can protect him. He's stuck. So like the typical groomer, right of a pedophile groomer. The next day, when they wake up, he does something fun with Jody. He takes him to Disneyland. What a twisted like okay,

25:51 Michael Jackson, like, what are you doing? But he takes them to Disney World. They ride rides, they eat all of the food, they have fun, and it just seems like such a pedophile thing to do, be horrendous to a child all night long against their will. But then quote unquote make it better, put a band aid on it with a trip to a theme park. So, in a feeble attempt to also hide Jody, Jeff would soon make Jody go and they would dye his hair. His hair was like a lighter blond color. He would dye his hair jet black. So it's not like Jeff isn't trying to connive and scheme and change his appearance either. He wanted to keep him. And then, strangely enough, Jeff makes Jody call home which was kind of bizarre to me. And Jody gets to talk to his mama for the first time since he had been taken, and I can't fathom what the relief in poor Jody's you know, his poor mama must have felt in that moment, only to be filled with complete, sheer terror that your child's been taken and you can't find him. You know, now, don't think for a second that Jody's family just sat there and did nothing. Once they realized he had been taken. They were frantically looking for him in this timeframe. Jody's uncle even had driven to Texas and found Jeff's mother's place to try to go track him down there, and they just weren't there. Remember, though, Jeff was literally like a transient at this point. He didn't have a car other than Jody's MoMA's and he didn't

27:25 have that anymore, So it's not like they could be looking for that car. They weren't a bus. He had no real money, Jeff had no credit card, so it's not like they could track him down through purchasing of a credit card for a location. And y'all were in the nineteen eighties. Nobody has a cell phone you know what I'm saying. You can't just track a cell phone. Maybe you had like a bag phone in your car, like those huge bagphone things at four dollars a minute, but there was no modern day technology to track him and to track Jody. I mean, what an absolute task to know this whole world is out there and your kid's gone. Now. Jeff's sister, her name was Elda, would tell Jody when he got there to excuse me, tell Jody's uncle when he got there looking for them, that maybe they ought to know something. And his uncle's like, okay, what what do we need to know? And he's like, she goes, you know, Jeff is actually a child molester. Right.

28:22 My jaw dropped when I found that out. He was already known by his family to abuse kids, and now is the time you decide to drop that bomb on everybody? I mean, good god, what in the hell? And from other things I've researched and and some other avenues I went down to learn about this story, Jeff's family spoke to Jody's family. It's not like they didn't know one another, and you knew he was a molester, and you never thought to bring that up to somebody, So the FBI would be involved by this point, and they would tap the ochet's phones and Jeff would claim when they made the phone call that they were in New York when he spoke to June, but the FBI knew better they had her. June asked Jeff what time is it to see what he would say, and when he gave the time, the FBI knew he was lying because the time he gave was wrong for the time that it should have been in New York, which is pretty smooth, right way to go. FBI will played my boys, so just simply figuring out that he's got to be lying because the time isn't correct. And Jody would again talk to his mother and was so excited to talk to her that he kind of went on a little you know, word vomit and was saying all sorts of stuff, and he mentioned, Mama, guess what. I got to see a live movie being taped while we were here. It happened right there in front of me on the street, and

29:52 you know, me and Jeff were out and about walking, and they did that. They took the scene over and over again, and I got to watch it happen and June said, really, son, what movie was it? And Jody replied, Mama, it's The Hill Street Blues BINGO. The FBI then made their phone calls and they found out where The Hill Street Blues was being filmed, and they narrowed down the actual location of where they were so pretty smooth. They just kept them talking and were able to figure out their approximate location. The other mistake Jeff made was that because he was broke, when he was calling the Plochet home or letting Jody call home, he had them calling collect Well. Judy, being a smart little lady that she is, she asked the phone company for the cost of the call and the location of where the call had originated, and they were able to verify it for her and the actual location was Anaheim, California. Now thirty eight that's going to come into play in this little story here. Thirty eight has got to be Jeff's most unluckiest number ever. Why well, they were in hotel room number thirty eight, Gary Ploche, Jody's daddy was thirty eight years old, and the number thirty eight with a dot before it will come into play here shortly as in a thirty eight my friends okay. Shortly after the calls

31:30 were made, officers were able to find the hotel where they were through the phone calls, and or the officers would storm the hotel with their guns drawn. And one officer politely exclaimed to Jeff, and this is a direct quote, I ought to punch you in your fucking mouth. Right. Well, step aside, sir, because you ain't met met Big Papa ge Ploche yet. A punch ak will be much in the long run. But now, Jody, y'all, he's still a kid, right, And he says that he was initially mad when he watched the police come in and arrest his friend Jeff. You know, they put him in cuffs, and it was just upsetting to Jody, Wait, what are you doing? This is my friend, because remember Jody saw Jeff as a friend, not as an abuser.

32:17 It was like a misplaced affection at best. But perception is reality to anyone, and that includes a kid. Sure, he's doing these horrible things to me I don't like, but he's also my friend. And we go and we watch movies get filmed, and we go to Disney World. And it's not that he's like a child, like a five year old, but he's still a kid. Immediately, just almost immediately, Jody begins being questioned about sexual abuse he may have endured, and Jody would lie. I can't imagine the range of emotions this kid was dealing with, but I can imagine that as a young boy, and the societal standards that we set for boys and their manhood, it must have been overwhelmingly humiliating to have to think about telling male detectives what he had been dealing with, let alone, he didn't know these men, and I can see why that would be a lot, you know, And just as a bit of information for you today, if sexual abuse is something that you ever encounter with the child that you love or that you know, we do things a little differently today. It's called a c AC interview, and this is for kids who may have experienced any type of trauma. But c AC stands for a Child Advocacy Center and you have these everywhere throughout the United States because kids need to be handled with care, you know, in essence, after a trauma has occurred, and that's the purpose of the CIAC interview. They take place in like a comfortable room with it's got soft seating, it's got couches, stuffed animals, they can color,

33:47 and even if they're not little bittie kids, it's still a comfortable setting to take away stress from the child and hopefully they would be more likely to talk. And here the kids are going to be asked non leading questions and then the kids, hopefully we'll share what they can and what do I mean by non leading? Today? We are not going to look Jody in the face and say did he rape you? You know, did he stick his penis in your butt? That's not how the questioning would go today. It'd be more like, hey, Jody, you know how old are you? Buddy? All right, tell me what's going on? You know where you've been in the last few days. And they're not leading questions, they're just letting the kid take control and share at their will and discretion. Now, these interviews are also always filmed, which is important, and commonly there'll be another child advocate that's listening in and assessing from another room, and the person that's in the room with the actual child would be wearing an earpiece, and so both advocates could kind of discreetly share information to help them during that interview process and help with the questioning, because again, if you lead, then that could be a problem court if it came to it that, oh will you put that in the kid's head? All right, But Jody would continue to lie when he was questioned about if he was raped or anything had happened to him. But one thing he knew for certain was that he was given an exam at the hospital where swabs had been taken, amongst a whole lot of

35:19 other testing, and he may have been a kid, but he realized, look, I can lie right now. But he also knew when those tests come back, the science isn't gonna lie. He knew in his heart Jeff was going to be busted for what he had done, but he just didn't want it to be him saying it, you know, he didn't want to be the one that said it. The doctors had done rectal exams, they had done oral exams on him. Even during the testing, Jody still continued to lie. However, I'm telling you, the truth is going to get know home one way or the other. And it was in due time and just kind of an off topic thing. Odie did write a book about his experiences and something It's not funny, but Jody has an interesting sense of humor, but this was kind of funny. He said, I just couldn't believe, you know, basically, like all the things they were doing to me.

36:12 And then he says something to the effect of and doctor jelly hands and the huge swabs, talking about you know, like the jelly they used to do the exam. Whatever you said, doctor jelly jelly hands and the huge swab. He said, it kind of sounds like a rock band, doesn't it. And I'm like, Jody, I's so get you, because I use humor in the most inappropriate times, but it's kind of like the way I deal with things. But this poor kid not only had been sexually abused and raped and all of this, now he's in another room and he's getting prodded and poked and checked again. So once all of this had been completed, Jody would actually be sent into a protective custody situation for a short amount of time. It was kind of like a home setting with other kids.

36:52 And he said they did things like playball and you know, they would get fed and whatnot. But it wasn't a long term thing. It was just a transitional thing from point A to point B. Because remember this was a huge ordeal, this kid being kidnapped, going across state lines. We've got the sexual aspect of it, and they you know, there was a lot that had to be handled there. And then Jody would fly home on his first flight ever, and he says, what a cool experience for a kid, even though under such strange circumstances he got to fly in an airplane. Just shows his you know how juvenile of a kid. So there is this video of Jody when he has his freshly dyed hair, that black hair in the airport when he sees his parents for the first time after he's rescued.

37:39 And I am going to post those videos on my Facebook and my Instagram. You know, if only that were the quote unquote happy ending that the movies always make things out to be right. Oh he made it home. Life's good. But remember victimology and victims are very similar to like rocks thrown into a pond, that rock enter the water, but there is an absolute ripple effect and many people suffer when someone is victimized that they love. So Gary was elated when Jody returned and he was thrilled that Jeff was now out of the picture. In Gary's mind, his family was back together and he was no longer the outsider. They had found his boy. He was back as the dad, and he was the family man over his family, and he just was thrilled to have them all in one place. But the story isn't over just because Jody was found. When they got home, Jody would immediately again have to start answering questions from Baton Rouge police department. Now the questions kept coming. Did Jeff touch you? Did Jeff molest you? Did Jeff have sex with you? Where did you go? What did you do?

38:52 And guess what, y'all, Jody continues to lie. To understand this, though, you have to think like a kid. It was not to protect Jeff for all the horrible things that he had done to Jody. Jody was protecting himself. Quite frankly, y'all, Jody thought Jeff would find out and come kill him if he said anything. He was genuinely scared of this man. I mean, if he's capable of tricking your whole family, of raping you, kidnapping you, taking you across state line, you know what else is he capable of? Think that through, Jody would even later say that he became irritated at articles that were written about him because adults would almost dumb him down and would say things like Jody was too young, or Jody thought this was a game, and it absolutely was not true. It was a very serious situation that Jody may not have completely understood why this happened, but he definitely understood that it was very wrong and he did not like taking art in it. He wasn't five, he was eleven. He was an eleven year old little boy, but he still had some knowledge that this is just incorrect. Matter of fact, I'm gonna let y'all in on a little secret.

40:12 I actually know Jody personally. I know Jody in person, and I'm about to be super blunt here, but when we were talking one time, I asked Jody about the abuse Jeff did to him, and I asked him something to the effect of, did you hate it when it was happening? And look, I know it sounds dumb at first, but what I wondered was, did you just go through the emotions as a child, because obviously don't understand the purpose of sex as a child, or had you been emotionally tricked and thus attached in some misplaced love sort of way to Jeff. And so I hope you understood what my question meant. Of course, I'm not saying, hey, are your old kid who will enjoyed that? I'm asking.

40:59 I want to to the emotion behind it, you know. But his answer surprised me. Okay, and I'm gonna be blunt, So I hope you don't have anyone in the car that you wouldn't want to hear me. But he looked me straight in my eyes and he said, and this is a direct quote, I hated sucking a man's dick, if that's what you're asking me, And no friendship would ever change that point made, point made. He knew that this was terrible, and the friendship didn't change that. But anyway, Jody would settle into his home life again. He even returned to school, and when his mother and father would try to comfort him or help him, he would tell them all he wanted was to be a kid.

41:47 I want to go play and I can feel that as a mom wanted to just coddle him and hold him and say are you okay? What can I do? And you know, really he just wanted space. He wanted normalcy again. He wanted to go out and lay, and he says that's what his mom let him do. His mom said, go play, and he went out in the neighborhood and he was the happiest he had been in a long time, just being a kid playing ball with his brothers and his prins. Now he went back to school, and when he went, he says, the reactions ranged. Some kids cried when they saw him, some were happy, and some were just complete assholes, if you want to be frank. One kid, he says, even started talking shit about him, and you know, Jody didn't appreciate that, obviously, But on the bus ride home that afternoon, the kid got the ass kicking of a century by other kids. Because even kids understand that there's lines you don't cross. And I don't condone violence, but I'm just saying, you know, watch your mouth, right. So, a normal life was what Jody had for a brief moment there until the hospital report came back, and that report would forever set into motion a change of events that literally set the precedent for retaliation of a parent for the abuse of their child. When the report came back, the news was broken to Gary and June by the police that Jody hadn't just

43:20 been you know, messed with, he had been raped. When they found out, and I had y'all, I know the story, and I know if you're watching, if you're patron member, I don't know if you can even see, I have goosebumps like my whole body. Because it's one thing to think something may have happened to your child. The ball game changes when it is solidified in science that another man's reproductive you know, spices are found in and on your child. And they were both visibly shaken and outright stunned when they got it put in their face that this is what happened to your child. So June brought Jody back in and she questioned him again. At this point, Jody realized, look, they all know the truth. The jig is up. And he said that he felt an immense amount of relief when he just got to tell the truth. He just let it out, Yes, this is what happened. And you know, June is devastated.

44:30 And while Jody may have felt a great sense of relief that he got to tell, the pressure and anger for Gary, his dad was just starting to really brew. It was starting to brew at levels that nobody could imagine. The one thing that Gary could say when he was faced with the facts of what Jeff had done to his son was, and I quote, Jeff's a dead motherfucker. And I feel that in my soul. I I wasn't there, but I can feel what he meant by that. Now, June did not hide the fact from from Jody that Gary knew all of the details and that he was big mad. But it Jeff big mad. So speaking of Jeff, at this point, Jeff was being returned to Louisiana to face his charges for the Jodie case, and it would be flight five ninety five to Baton Rouge. That would be Jeff's flight, and he was accompanied by Mike Barnett and Bud Connor, and it was roughly nine thirty Friday, a Friday evening. But no one would tell Gary anything about this, and the police had even mentioned, don't tell Gary when we're bringing Jeff back because he was so angry. And I'm telling you on a parental level, other adults got

46:06 it, he's big mad. We don't want to let him know when Jeff's coming in. During that flight, though Jeff would confess to the molestation. But I want to say something real quick. Molestation is not the same thing as rape. So woo, who you admitted that you molested? I want to make sure rape is the term we use here. He penetrated that child. He didn't just touch him, which is horrible enough, but he raped that child. He made that child commit sodomy or he committed sodomy, and he made that child perform oral sex. He did things unconscionable to Jody. But he did confess it to Bud Connor because he said, well, you know, Bud, since you're a Catholic, I feel comfortable and so I'll go ahead and I guess I'll confess this to you. What No religion matters now, Now religion matters, Jeff. Now that your cause it matters, God matters to you. Get out of here. Jeff also, now at this point, would claim that he was sexually abused as a child, even though no proof was ever really found of this, And honestly, to me, seems pretty convenient. Make yourself the victim, right, Oh, I'm a victim. Therefore I've acted in this way. Try to mitigate your actions.

47:22 But fun fact, guys, fun fact. Most abuse victims do not go on to become offenders themselves. They don't. Now, I'm not saying that offenders were not likely abused, but what I'm telling you is that abuse victims do not always go on to become offenders themselves. And I am offended on behalf of victims everywhere that he would even imply that that was an excuse. So Jeff even cried on the flight, y'all, and he told of relationships relationship that he had with other kids too. Now, don't get it twisted. Relationships here means molestation and rape. Relationship with a kid. Calling it a relationship is as politically correct as saying undocumented alien. It's as politically incorrect as saying, oh, we're no longer going to call them drug dealers.

48:27 We're gonna call him street pharmacists. Yeah, we're gonna just church it all up. No, all of that ship's illegal. And I'm not getting political here. I just want to I want it to be what it is. You raped children, you didn't have relationships with them. I have relationships with people at church. I have a relationship with Jim at work. I have relationships with my students, meaning that I love them and I want to take care of them, and I want them to grow to have beautiful lives. A relationship is not the same thing, Jeff. You were raping children. You're a fucking pedophile, and you're a danger to society, specifically society that can't protect themselves, very young kids. He even literally, y'all loses all composure at some points, and he would continue to tell his versions of the truth, but he would continue to tell a whole lot of lies to and manipulation tactics of telling the story. But most impressive lie, the most impressive lie, was that he didn't he didn't stop with Jody because they loved each other. And Jodi, an eleven year old boy who had been kidnapped quote unquote, wanted it. He wanted it, sure, Jeff, Sure, that's what he wanted. What I see as an eleven year old boy that wanted to learn karate, wanted to learn how to fight, wanted his family back together, wanted his as to his dad to be proud of him.

50:01 He wanted to love his mom, and he was trying to take care of what he thought was a friend. And you were a wolf in sheep's clothing who manipulated and took advantage of a child. And by the way, even if Jody claimed to the police or to Jeff that he wanted to go, and eleven year old cannot consent to sex, but also to leaving town without parent or guardian approval, so that dog don't hunt there either. A boy, Okay, he can't consent to leave with you. Sorry, if you're in love with an eleven year old. So, while Jody certainly cared about Jeff as a person, he adamantly hated Jeff while he was being molested.

50:45 There's no gray area there. Jeff was playful, he was fun and all of those things. But the realization is that this was all part of his grooming tactics. He had to be those things to gain Jody's trust, and they had been successful tactics. That's what mollusters do, That's what rapists do for children. Now, Gary is still steadily brewing, y'all, in his hurt and in his anger. His drinking problem became more pronounced at this time, and I don't blame him. So let's get into the psychology behind Gary stressors, his victimization, and his ultimate unspeakable actions that are to come.

51:30 Okay, he had been kicked out of his home. His sense of normalcy had been taken from him, and that had exacerbated his drinking issue. He definitely hated being away from his kids. That made him drink even more. Gary defined himself by being a father and a dad. That was his most prized accomplishment in life was his children. He had also heard that another man was spending a lot of time with his wife. Gary wanted to repair his marriage, but the drinking was in the way. Jeff was helping and that the kids had a mentor while he wasn't there every other weekend. But now Gary has found out that he invited Jeff into his home and then Jeff was having sex with his own child, and it threw Gary into a world of unraveling. Guilt, remorse, and the feeling of failure as a dad and as a man became a driving factor in Gary's need to vindicate his son.

52:47 And that is what the end of the story is about. In Gary's mind, it's vindication. He had to be part of the punishment because he was the one who invited Jeff into his home. Home. In his mind right, he knew that he would be arrested and he would be punished, but Gary did not care, and guys, at this point, Jeff's days are numbered. On March sixteenth, Gary was at a restaurant bar type situation and it happened that a friend of his who worked at a local news station, mentioned to him that Jeff would be coming in on a flight that very day. The police were careful not to tell Gary anything, but I'm telling you, friends do what friends do. And they were talking when Gary realized in that moment that Jeff would be at that airport that afternoon. He finished his drink, he left, and he drove to the airport. When he got there, he walked in and he was able to make it to a pay phone bank. Remember this is pre nine eleven, okay, and he didn't have to go through all that actual security to get to the waiting area.

54:07 Back then, you could just walk through pretty much turnstile things, and then you only went through security once you were about to board the playing type thing, if you call it that. It was different. And he made his way to a set of about twelve payphones, and that's when he realized, I don't even know where Jeff would be coming in. You know, I have no idea where Jeff's coming in, But he knew that if he saw him, it was on. So he made his way up to those payphones, and he realized when he looked up there were a few TV camera people setting up, and he's not a fool, figuring that they were there to get a video of Jeff. He surmised that Jeff must have been scheduled to walk past those cameras at some point. So there Gary stood a broken man who felt completely defeated and like a total let down as a father.

55:07 Blue jeans, a maroon purplish striped shirt, a white baseball cap, sunglasses, and a thirty eight in his cowboy boot. So he's full of nervous anger. And that's when Gary walked to the pay phones and made a call to his friend, whose name was Stinky. You know there's going to be a story there when your friend's name is Stinky and he gets him on the phone and he says, Stinky, I'm gonna shoot Jeff. Now you can imagine Stinky's like, wait, what, no, man, you know, what are you doing? You can't do that, And he says I'm gonna shoot him. About that time, the plane landed unbeknownst unbeknownst to Gary and Jeff was going to be escorted into the lobby of the airport. Truth be told, Jeff was actually nervous that his own brother may try to kill him for being a molester, and he had vocalized that too Bud, one of the cops that was escorting him. So Bud and Jeff as they walk into the airport, see the news cameras and Bud tells Jeff to just keep walking and put your head down. He tells him, your job is not only he says, my job is not only to escort you, but also to protect you. Just keep walking. Now, imagine that they're walking, Jeff's

56:37 handcuffed, Bud's got him, and about that time Gary told Stinky on the phone they must have taken Jeff another way because I don't see him. But right at that moment, the lights of the cameras popped on. Gary looks up and he lays eyes on Jeff. Two set. Jeff continues walking, doesn't see Gary and kind of looks up towards the camera and he almost has a smirk on his face, and without missing a beat, Gary says into the phone, I'm getting my gun out of my boot. You're gonna hear it. And at that next moment all you hear is wow. And there, for the first time ever recorded on live television, a dad made good on his word. Gary Ploche put a bullet through Jeff's head and the force of the bullet broke Jeff's neck as he fell to the ground. Gary then calmly turned and hung the phone up that he had never put down. And this is where the famous words and the title of Jody's book were yelled for everyone to hear. Barnett grabbed Gary's arm and he takes the gun from him and at the exact same moment yells why Gary. Why. You'd have to

58:07 see the look on Gary's face, But he was an absolutely broken hearted man who just did what he felt he had to do. And the camera's caught it all. They look and point at Gary and he drops his head and then he looks up once at the camera. But it's not a look for publicity. It's almost like a shameful head drop. But there's solace in that man's face, and his face says it all. Never again. Jeff Dusett would die a few days later in the hospital. Never regaining consciousness. Now, believe it or not, there is still a ton of unknown details that I have that I'm going to release as a Patron only episode. Tons of stuff. I mean, there's so much left of the story it'll blow your mind. If you want to hear everything left, you can join Patron at your leisure at Unspeakable the podcast dot com if that interests you. Now even crazier is that I have a super awesome treat for everybody next episode, next week's drop, I will have a special guest, mister Jodi Ploche himself in the studio and we are going to talk about the story, and you're going to get to know the man that grew up knowing that his dad would do

59:40 anything for him, and he kind of gets to tell his story from his own mouth, and I'm just so honored that he would come and talk to me about his experiences. Something else I have to surprise you with is that I have two autographed copies of JODI's book, Why Gary, Why, Then I'm going to give away as well as one audio version. Are you interested in in win in One? Do you want an autographed copy? Do you want to read it yourself or listen to the audio book. Well, I got three ways that you can enter to win one, and you're gonna it's so simple. All you have to do is share this episode that you're listening to. I'm gonna have it posted on Facebook as usual. All you got to do is share it. That's all you gotta do, and hey, tell people to listen to it because I think it's a pretty good story.

1:00:30 That's the first way you can do it. Another way you can do it is y'all should know by now that I'm up for two podcast awards. If you will go vote and then take a screenshot of the end you know of you voting, where you can see that you voted for me. I'm gonna have a Facebook post where I'll ask you to post your screenshots there in the comments. That's another way for you to enter to win. And then finally, next week, after you hear Jody the episode with me of me, of Jody and I talking, if you will share that episode, I'm gonna pick a winner from that share as well. So you have three ways to enter, three chances to winner. All you have to do is click the share button and vote. So if that interests you, please help a girl out and it's a great book, y'all. And it's also the audio version is narrated by mister Toby tom Play. He does a great job, and it's a great listen while you're traveling or while you're cleaning your house or whatever it does that you do. But if anything, I hope this episode opened your eyes not only to predators but also to the undying love of a father.

1:01:39 And something that struck me that Jody said about his father was that mister Garry was always a good man. But I also watched Jody Quiver one time when he looked up and he said, Jeff made a very nice man do something very bad. But you know what, y'all, I don't blame Gary Ploche. My parent heart overrides the process of law on this one. And I'm not even gonna lie about it, right or wrong. I'm gonna leave the judge into God. But all I can say about being here on earth is that if you come to the South and you rape a man's child, you better watch your back, because down here, if you fuck around, you will find out. And I never met mister Ploche, okay, so I never got to ask him what he felt when he pulled the trigger that day. But if I had to bet, I think his only answer would be recoil.