Vigilante Part 3 | The Jody Plauche Interview

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey y'all, kJ here,

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I'm back for another episode of Unspeakable. How are y'all doing? Thank you

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so much for tuning in. I
cannot express to you how excited I am

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for today Because I have a guest
in house. You're probably able to guess

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who it is now based on the
last episode that I've released. But I

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grew up with the legendary story of
Gary Ploche and the love he had for

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his son in my house. I
knew about it since a childhood, and

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I feel so blessed and honored that
I actually have Jodi Ploche here today.

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How are you doing today? I'm
doing great? How are you? I'm

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wonderful. I was almost like,
it's not starstruck, but I was almost

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like, wow, the real guy, you know, like the man the

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story you know. Whenever I first
met you, I'll tell the listeners real

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quick. I didn't think you'd answer
me, but I actually reached out to

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you and my husband was getting a
tattoo one day, and you answered me,

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and I was like, oh,
I'm coming to meet you then,

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and I went up to your work
and we had a good time talking about

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your story and everything. So my
listeners have heard the story of your dad

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in the previous episode that I've released. That's great. Now they'll have to

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go through it again. Oh no, right, Normally, whatever I do

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an interview, I gotta go.
Can you tell the listeners just a little

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bit about what heaven? No,
I handled that we skipped that point.

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Yes, Indeed, what I want
to focus on today obviously is you,

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and but also your daddy and your
siblings and your mama um, because from

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my viewpoint, and I'm sure people
have all sorts of their own thoughts,

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but your daddy was a victim.
The whole family was, yeah in this

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story, and I think sometimes that's
skipped over. They look at the action

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of what happened, and that you
know, Jeff was ultimately killed by your

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father. But um that said,
you know that said, let me just

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clear up one misconception. Okay.
A lot of times when I hear people

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talk about this story, especially if
you go on TikTok or you go on

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YouTube, they'll say that, you
know, when Mike Burnett yelled at my

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father Gary, why why Gary?
He looked, no, Actually it was

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Bud Connard looked at my dad and
said, you know, like, why

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why would you do that? Or
something something that effect. And my dad

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said, if he did that to
your family, you would have done the

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same thing too. You don't know. Now. The misquote is he if

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he had done it to your son. He did not say if he had

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done that to your son, right, He said if he'd done that to

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your family. And that's the one
point that I want to get clear.

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If you go, if you go
to my website, you can go and

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watch the unedited video. It's graphics
of warning and tell me your website.

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It's a www. Dot Jodi Ploche
dot net dot net. That's Jo d

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y P l aucche dot net.
Okay, and it's the unedited video.

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If you put the headphones on and
listen carefully, you can hear Bud.

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I think he kind of cusses out
my days, like, you know,

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why the hell would you do that? And he my dad. He was

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kind of looking down and you see
him look up, and he goes,

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if you'd done that to your family, you'd have done the same thing too.

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You don't know, right, And
so I wanted to clear the up

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right. Yeah, And hey,
we'll put a link in the show notes

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for our listeners if they want to, just go straight to it and click

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it. And and that's kind of
where my mindset is. You know,

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I grew up I'm not kidding you. You know my whole life knowing that

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a father's of your dad was always
the pinnacle of what is a father's love.

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And I don't mean going and killing
people, but I mean that your

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dad loved you and your family so
incredibly much that he couldn't live with the

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fact that that happened to you.
And you know, I say a lot

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of times to my listeners, justice
in the court system is not justice.

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That's I call it the injustices.
Yeah, it's it's okay. You know,

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you're a bad guy. Okay,
go to prison. But if you're

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the victim, and you're the victim's
family, especially what you went through,

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um, I don't fault him.
You know what I mean for wanting personal

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justice. Vigilante as your shirt says, right, vigilante justice. I mean

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you gotta look at the look in
nature. I mean a bear. You

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know, you don't mess with a
MoMA bear's cubs. And that's what Jeff

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did, basically, you know,
he missed with my dad's kid. Um,

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I just I sent you a link
I think of the news article and

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yeah, Idaho or whatever. Yeah, and we actually covered that in our

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real life Real crime Daily. So
the guy went and killed the whole family.

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Yeah, and he used the meme
of my dad and I'm like,

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look, I said, I tweeted
this out yesterday. I was like,

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my dad would not condone that.
My dad. The only reason why Jeff

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daddy shot Jeff, who says it
is because what Jeff du set did to

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me period, right, you know, Daddy wasn't out hunting pedophiles. He

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wasn't now killing um, you know, registered people on you know. Yeah,

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but he didn't go kill Jeff's family
and he killed Jeff. He killed

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Jeff. And and um, maybe
we give a lot of latitude for parents

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that love their kids that much to
kill somebody, because obviously I don't want

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to trivialize someone dying. You know, Jeff did die, okay, And

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but Jeff earned it. And I
hate to be blunt like that, but

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Jeff earned it. Um. And
I didn't even go in any details in

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my book. If I could do
any details, and you know for a

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fact that he truly earned it.
Well, I'm willing to go there wherever

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you're willing to go. But um, I don't want to truly you know,

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Um, I don't want to upset
you in any way. I won't

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get upset. Okay, Yeah,
first of all, let's say that two

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or second of all whatever, Number
one, how amazing that you have chosen

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to share your story and not pretend
it didn't happen. Because tell my listeners,

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you've you've spoken in a lot of
places about your story. Oh yeah,

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just recently in April, I drove
up to Richmond, Virginia, and

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I spoke at the Virginia's Sex Offender
Treatment Program conference and really, well I

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was the final keynote speaker. So
I'm going to New Orleans tomorrow. I'm

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on the board for the Louisiana Foundation
to Gainst Sexual Assault. So it's definitely

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something that in nineteen ninety eight,
when I had graduated from LSU in ninety

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seven, I moved to Urban Texas
because I had gone two years at North

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Lake College. So I moved back
there and I looked around for a job

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coulding final when finally I opened it
up around the nation and I ended up

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in German County, Pennsylvania, which
is just outside of Philadelphia in Norristown,

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and I worked there for seven years
as a certified sexual assault counselor, crisis

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counselor, and education specialists, and
so I would go into the schools and

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do prevention programs for the kids.
Eventually I became the supervisor of community education

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programs and I did that for five
years, so total time that victims services

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were seven years and five. My
dad had a stroke in April and I

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took two weeks off because I had
the vacation time. I took two weeks

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off, came down, brought him
to his doctor's appointments as rehab physical therapy,

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and that's what I kind of made
a decision. Okay, you know

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what, I've got seven years.
I got five years experience of being a

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supervisor. So I was like,
you know, it is time to come

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home. And I came home,
and I moved back home in July of

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two thousand and five, right before
Katrina and my parents were separated. At

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the time, Daddy was living by
himself, so I moved home. And

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my mother was living in Biloxi at
the time, and her apartment was right

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on the beach. I mean it's
right across the beach road and it got

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wiped out in Katrina, so she
really didn't have a place to stay.

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She end up standing a female trailer
for probably a year, and my younger

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brother had a second child, and
they convinced her, look will pay you

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to come babysit, and she would
make more money living back home. So

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then my mother moved back home.
So then it was my mom and dad

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and me, and then eventually Daddy
a stroke how to go to nursing home,

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and Daddy ended up dying in October
excuse me, October of twenty fourteen.

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So now it's just me and my
mom. My little brother and his

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kids lived directly across the street.
That's why I'm gonna go watch the game

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tonight, and so you know,
now I'm a fifty one year old grown

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man who lives at home with mommy. Well, you know what, I

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don't fault you for it. You
know you've been through so much and you've

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I know you've done interviews a way
bigger than mine, and I acknowledge that.

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But this means a lot to me
and to my listeners because many,

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many of them have reached out and
said thank you for teaching about grooming of

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families. Thank you for teaching about
the grooming process, because I had no

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clue. And some of them even
said I made my kids listen to it

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so that they would understand. Now, obviously, I want to say this

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real quick. If you do have
kids with you in the car, we're

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gonna go ahead and ask you that
maybe you don't want to you might want

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to stop and pause it for a
second and see. And I did an

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interview years ago. I'm gonna say
the same thing here. No, I

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think you should use this as a
learning moment. Talk to your kids.

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Let them listen to this. Okay, you think so, I do all

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ages, all ages. I'll try
to keep it clean, Okay, well,

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so let me let's start here.
You're kidnapped, all right, by

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Jeff. Would you consider that because
something else Saul said, you begrudgingly went

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with him, Like it wasn't like
he grabbed you and you know, threw

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a sack of your head and forced
you in the car. Where the begrudgingly

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probably came from is he had told
me he had gotten in some financial problems.

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He'd written some bad checks, so
he was facing a court date and

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he owed someone money. And he
told me he's trying to get the board

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of money, but if he can't, he's leaving it in him when he

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goes, he's going to California to
contake me with him. And that was

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the closest I ever came to telling
because I didn't I didn't want to go

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to California with him, right um, But also I didn't feel like I

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had a chance. So whenever he
came out of house it was a February

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nineteenth Sunday morning, and his brother
dropped him off, he asked, my

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mom, can I borrow the car? I gotta go look to see if

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some carpet it came in because another
student his parents were building a really nice

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nice home. I mean it's like
a million dollars home now. And his

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brother had a corpet company, so
his brothers spos too and saw the carpet.

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So that was what he used as
the distraction to get me alone.

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Then we went to his brother's house
in Gonzales, picked up some personal belongings,

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belongings, and then we went to
Port Arthur, Texas, where his

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mother lived. And his mother lived
next door to his sister, and so

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we stayed there. Sunday night,
his mom called my mother and sai,

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Jeff's got Jody. My mother's like, he's got school tomorrow, get him

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home. Jeff said he was going
to New York. He told his mom,

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going to New York and the bus
is going to go through Baton Rouge.

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You know, we'll drop him off
at the bus station. And his

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mother was like, fine, Well, we didn't leave until Tuesday morning,

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like eleven o'clock out of Orange,
Texas. Well, my mother by that

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time, my mother, her brother
who worked for the Sheriff's apartment, and

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a couple other detectives or deputies from
the Sheriff's apartment in Baton Rouge. They

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went to put off say they literally
just missed us. I mean, we

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may even pass each other on the
interstate, right and you didn't you didn't

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think to pick up the phone and
call your mom or were you told not

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to that didn't have access to it. I mean Jeff's mom didn't. I

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don't think have a phone, okay, and there weren't cell phones back there.

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I tried to text my mother,
but she didn't listen. Not kid

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back then, we didn't we didn't
have the technology. And that's one of

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the things I talked to my business
partners about, like, if we ever

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do this into a movie, I
was like, I'm willing to modify it,

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Like I'm willing to say, you
know, if you want to have

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it to where you're looking and having
the perpetrator email and text or go to

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answer, if you want to put
those motto modern day threats in my story,

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I'm fine with that. But you
know, no one's picking it up

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so so, and I know I'm
kind of all over the place here,

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but I'm trying to think about you. You're how old at this exact moment.

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Well, I was kidnapped, Yes, I was eleven. You're eleven

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and an eleven year old boy,
and obviously he's been abusing you, right

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for the past year. Did you, in your eleven year old mind,

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Not now, but in your eleven
year old mind, did you recognize I'm

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being abused or were you having trouble? No? Absolutely, I knew you

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knew it was wrong. My mother
used to make a swatch after school specials

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and you know TV made for TV
movies and stuff like that, and there

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was one one called Fallen Angels about
child pornographer where I was taking pictures of

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the kids. And so my mother
told me there are grown ups out there

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that will do bad things to children. And so, I mean, the

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first time Jeff ever tested my boundaries
and put his hand in my lap,

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I was like, oh, he's
one of those, you know. But

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when you're in it, it's like, you know, well, why didn't

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you tell or why didn't you say
something? Then? I don't know because

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I freaked out, right, because
I'm sure you were like, wait a

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minute, and what if I'm wrong? And yeah, and the groom and

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normally the initial inappropriate touch is something
that can be joked away or said that

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it was an accident. That's why
I like people who and I get people

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get criticized me for saying this,
But like ticklers, people who like to

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tickle just annoy me. They really
bother me. And I know not every

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tickler is a pervert, but guess
what ticklers are perverts or ticklers? Yeah,

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well yeah, so it's not all
one way, but it is one

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way the other. And so they
do things like brushing their hand across the

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private area and they can dismiss it
away as an accident or put the kid

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in their lap and kind of wiggle
around and then say, oh, I

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was just so my eleven year old
mine year old mine um recognized when he

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barely put his hand in my lap
and then took it away. I was

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driving a car, and I thought, oh, you know, okay,

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well, maybe it's an accident.
It was a stick shift. He had

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to put his hands somewhere. Yea, he didn't maybe he didn't know we

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were in my lap. Yeah.
So but if I look back, if

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I look back, so like a
month earlier, I think he really started

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testing my boundaries and getting it where
we were comfortable with him being around our

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private parts. He'd make us do
a split and he would be like karate,

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yeah, yeah, oh you gotta
be you gotta be flexible and here

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you know, oh you type right
here, you're right there, and he's

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you know, hitting between our legs
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one of his ways of just kind

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of making it just seem normal,
right, And so the um first time

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it went more than touch, more
than outside external touch. All right,

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so can you explain about you're eleven
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ten year old man, ten year
old mine? Um? The first time

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that I you know, I can
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was before after, but I mean
we're all, you know, in the

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same a couple of weeks span,
we went crawfishing, and what Jeff would

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do is he had to fighting team. So he had like probably seven kids

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and him, So it's probably eight
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or it may have been three and
three. But we were going crawfishing and

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Jeff put me on the end of
the bed and then he was next to

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me, and then they had like
the two other kids, so he had

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kind of built the wall from himself
from the other two kids. And remember

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too, this is the eighties.
This is not with today's knowledge and today's

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in your face, you know,
know all of this information, right,

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this is nineteen eighty three. Yeah, and we're doing crawfishing nets. We're

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going out in the swamp and we're
gonna, you know, get crawfish.

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And this is back when alligators were
I think on an endangering species list because

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I would never go back in those
woods again right now, because the alligators

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will get you. Yeah. I
see alligators around there all the time.

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It's right there Airline Highway if you
exit like you're going to Grammarcy. Yeah

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right, I mean underneath that bridge, and there's some railroad tracks right there.

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But that night he kept playing with
me and rubbing me, and I

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tried to pretend like I was sleeping. And so now the delima seems like

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an appropriate child reaction because you don't
it's an adult, and you're like,

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oh my god, does he know
he's doing this or why is he doing

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this? Let me just pretend like
it's not happening. Well, this is

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the first time I realized, Okay, everything else hasn't been an accident.

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Yeah, okay. And so the
next day, the next day we were

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at the crawfish bowl. We caught
a good bunch of craw fishing, so

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we're having to crawfish bol We had
to go run to the store to get

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something right Hollow Community Park on the
bottom and we're running up to the store

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and he goes, Joey come ride
with me and said I was all right,

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so all right with him? And
that on that drives when he said,

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Hey, I'm going to ask you
something. He's like, you,

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you don't say anything to your parents
about what I'm doing. And I was

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like doing what I was playing dumb
and that's when it escalated. Okay,

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now you might want to put the
earmups on, hit the uh, you

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know, have your kids play your
ears. But that's when he took it

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to the next level. That's when
we went to Houston and he was like,

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now I'm gonna formeral section. He
didn't say it that way, and

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so he did that that night.
Did he attack you or was it more

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like sitting here we were stand here. No, we were in a van

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riding home from the karate tournament and
he said, Jody come up here and

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I'll go up there and all the
kids and they just whispered in my ear

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you know tonight I'm on Yeah,
And well John lean movie was on,

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turned it off although the kids were
asleep. He just went on uncovers.

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What a bastard. That was April
of eighty three. And so after that

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was done, your mind is aware. I'm freaking out, yeah, you

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know. And there's no other adults
to speak to. And well, the

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other thing that really freaked me out
is because I didn't know why he would

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want to do that. I don't
I didn't know the point of it.

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I always knew it as an insult. You would tell other kids, Hey,

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you do this. Yeah. Well, and this is important for anybody

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who's been through any kind of sexual
trauma. Is your body is your body,

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okay, and so your body is
going to respond. Yes, when

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he went under the covers, I
got erect and finished finished. Yeah you

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know, and that's a natural body
response. Yeah, that's gonna happen,

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whether it's Jeff Doo said or you
know. Yeah. But and how confusing

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for a kid though, because you
don't understand sex. You just know what

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your friends have talked about right at
school, and you don't understand necessarily the

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purpose or the reality of what sex
is. And then this happens to you

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and you're wondering why me, did
you sort of think maybe you did something

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or no? Because my mother,
I use the term prepared me because she

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had talked. We had talked about
it. So this wasn't something that was

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completely It would be different had I've
been like six years old, right,

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you know, But I was ten, and I you know, I can't

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say this, um. And it
has to do with the holidays, okay,

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um, So I knew at that
age that, you know, certain

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things weren't real that I've been told. My mother had warned me against sexual

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predors or people who pray on children. So I mean, I never once

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ever blame myself. I love that. That's great. But that's why it's

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important that people listen because that is
what I think a lot of people have

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that guilt. You know, Let's
say some stepdad molest's stepdaughter from eight to

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thirteen. You know, from eight
and a half to thirteen, it's gonna

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have adult feelings, you know,
and so what's happening is bad, but

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your body is sending confusion messages.
So that's why when I think people grow

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up after the stepdad stops and then
they were like, well why was I

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enjoying that? Well, your body
was responding, you weren't necessarily enjoying it,

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right, and yeah, and there's
a difference right between your physical response

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and your emotional mental and you know, wants and needs. So m So

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he continued that on what type of
basis would you say, Oh, it

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was regular. For the next month, it was every day. And then

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that's when he said, I'm like
he'd be cleaned. That's when he stepped

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it up and he said, now
I'm going to do this to you.

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And so, so you knew from
May of eighty three till Anaheim, California,

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till February of eighty four. I
mean it was pretty much every day,

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sometimes two times a day. Did
he have a signal or something he

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would do to let you know that's
what or would he just say it?

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He would just say it, wow. Yeah, there was no hidden signal.

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He'd be like, all right,
go going to bathroom. I'll be

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in here in a few minutes.
And now we're in karate practice. I

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mean we're doing jumping Jackson. There's
twenty people in there, and I'd say,

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oh, I gotta go to bathroom, and I'd go into bathroom and

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then I guess he'd be like,
hey, you come up and lead the

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class. And then that while they're
leading a class and people are doing punching

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the kickids and jumping Jackson sit ups, he's in the bathroom, blest to

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me. So, um, what
does he does? He say anything else

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about it? Like, did did
he try to make you feel like he

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loved you or anything? Or did
he He did a lot of things that

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were fun. He did a lot
of things that you know, kids want

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to do. He'd let us stay
up lady, let us run around.

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He take us to the movies,
we'd go to the arcade. He give

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us money, biased presents. I
mean, all of that. All that's

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part of the grooming process. And
that's why children don't tell. It's easier

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for me just to put up what
Jeff was doing than to upset my parents.

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And I mean we saw set my
dad gut right, and I don't

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blame him. So were you ever
injured? No? And need help?

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No? No, that's good.
So and he um, whenever, I'm

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kind of all over the place right
now, but these he was a gentle

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job molester. While um, and
how old was he at that time?

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I've kind of he would have been. He was twenty five when he got

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shot, but he has only been
twenty five for a couple of weeks for

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a month, so he was he
was twenty four, while most of us

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agree and you were not his first
victim that and did they ever document any

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of his future or his other victims. I know that Jeff can confess to

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two other people in the plane right
at home, and the police officers,

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you know, had to inform the
parents about what had happened. And one

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of the fathers of one of the
other who would have been the older of

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the three. Um, him and
my dad were friends. And so that's

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kind when my mom and dad split
up that summer in July and end of

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July beginning of August, he was
the one that was kind of putting pieces

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together because as the end of that
year came to the beginning of the next

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year, all this pressure is going
up on Jeff. Now, I do

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want to say one thing, okay, because this is important to me because

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it's still out there. My mother
and Jeff were not dating, okay,

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And I do address this in the
book, and I also mentioned so what

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if they were, doesn't give him
any right to me. All that would

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have done was to give him access
but he didn't. He already had that

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access. Right. So the rumor
that my mom and dad, my mother

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and Jeff were dayton well started by
my dad, you know, because he

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but did he believe that, like
in your dad's heart? Did he believe

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something was going on at the time? I believe he did, yeah,

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But I think later he knew,
he knows for a fact that they weren't.

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But it putrided. Okay, so
let's talk about your daddy now as

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a victim for a second. Put
yourself in his shoes is what I want

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to tell people. He's raped your
son and you not that it's true,

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but he feels like he gave access
to you, to him, and then

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he let you go on trips with
him, and you know, you're looking

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back, going on, my god, my child. My job in life

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was to protect him, and I
had no idea how do I not know

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my own child. But also he
believed in his own mind that Jeff was

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also messing with his wife, I
mean, his whole family. So when

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he turned and said, if this
happened to your family, you would it

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make sense to me. He felt
victimized the whole way, right, in

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every way that you a person could
be victimized, and you're his child.

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Here's a baby, right, you
know. And I know he had a

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drinking problem. The only person that
thinks he had a drinking problem was my

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mother, which is a drinking problem. Yeah, you know. I mean

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he would His job was to entertaining
clients. Okay, he was heavy equipment

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salesman, so his job was go
have lunch. So he's wake up in

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the mornings. Hey, you want
to have lunch, meet me over to

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Cotton Club. So he'd go have
lunch, and then after he'd go to

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the office, maybe do a little
paperwork. Hey it's happy hour. I'd

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meet me at the happy hour,
and then he'd go from three to five,

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and then five thirty he'd be at
our practice because he's our coach,

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so very involved, as he was
involved in every sport we ever took.

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He was my first football coach.
He was an assistant of the basketball coach.

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He even on the cycer coach.
Never play cycer's life, but he

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was always around young and the kids
us and he was always he was always

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there. But again he would go
home or he would go out entertain clients.

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Then he'd come home drunk with the
whiskey. Uh, you know,

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I don't want to say it with
the kids. Yeah, and want to

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be with my mother And it just
wasn't work. It just well and it

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just got old for her. So
I can totally see her point. Not

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want to put up with a drunken
man coming home. And for Daddy,

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he's like, he'd have money night
football parties. You have his friends over.

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Okay, he say, he have
like six or seven friends over.

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Well, guess what. My mother
was the maid, she was the waiter,

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she was the clean up crew.
And you know, Daddy's like,

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hey, it's great drinking beer with
my friends. And he goes passes out

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while she's cleaning up the house back
up. So I could see where that

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got on her nerves. So yeah, and then finally when he she said,

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here, you just gotta stop,
and he wouldn't, so she's like,

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you gotta go. So he went
and stay with my grandparents. Okay,

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I gotta say this. I think
part of why I love your daddy

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too is never met the man of
damn my life. But it's because it

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reminds me of my daddy when and
it was the same time frame. The

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cloth from the clothing to the glasses
to the snapbacks and the shorter shorts like

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I just and my dad loves to
drink and have a good time. He

408
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says that we're a we're a drinking
town with a football problems. That's how

409
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:18.799
my dad just and he likes to
say, Hey, come over, we'll

410
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.000
put some dead shit on the pit
and we'll cook it and we'll tell we'll

411
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:23.519
talk shit. I'm like, that's
great, I'll tell you a funny story.

412
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.960
But what let me tell this.
I got so tickled about him because

413
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.079
I watched a video that they did
on TV about that you had told me

414
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.359
to watch. Yeah, and I
got so tickled when they said he got

415
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:40.039
busted because he was cheering. That's
now been banging a beer on the table.

416
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.200
Oh look, shoot, shoot channel
that was Channel two again, Daddy

417
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.119
was a Channel two. There's like, uh so the story is it was

418
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:48.799
my parents were separated. My dad's
been telling my mother, Look, I

419
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.079
haven't had a drink in a month, and all of a sudden, LSU

420
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.559
had an opening game for the football
season start right, So the local news

421
00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.960
is doing like a local news story
at a local bar called a gotten club,

422
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.359
And who's on the news with a
beer going. So he's telling my

423
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.720
mother one thing and she turns on
the news. There is a bear in

424
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.319
his hand. I don't know why
that tickled me so bad. I loved

425
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:11.680
it. I'm like, look,
would you do it? Gary? Look

426
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:17.480
at you boy? But all intents
and purposes, your daddy was not didn't

427
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:19.960
have a criminal record. Um,
he was not a troublemaker. He would

428
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.640
he think when he was in high
school, he would get in fights,

429
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.319
okay, because he was five to
seven, and so you know, he

430
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.279
would get picked on, and um, he developed a attitude of like,

431
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.160
if you know, the guys would
be like hery, man, what you

432
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.720
looking at? If someone said what
are you looking at? To my dad,

433
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.480
he'd hit him Gary. Yeah.
And so my mother only saw him

434
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:44.359
getting one fight. This was at
the vineyard and my dad's friend was about

435
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.000
to get a fight and my mother
was sitting between my dad. My mother

436
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:49.359
was here, and then the friend
and then the guy he was getting a

437
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.039
fight with. So my dad's wanting
to leave and my mother's like quite quite,

438
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.240
I'm trying to listen and dads like, come, let's go listen,

439
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.039
and he's like, Jim's about to
get in a fight. My dad was

440
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.240
like what. Well, as Jim
and the guy were walking outside, my

441
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.839
dad followed him and that guy,
Jim was taking off his jacket and when

442
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.880
he did, my dad went and
hit him. And my mother said,

443
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.680
you know, beat him up pretty
good. But so other than you know,

444
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:15.279
some fisticuffs in his youth, but
he wasn't out selling drugs and you

445
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.519
know, you know, abusing women. He was just being a dad,

446
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.160
typical American home with your same struggles
and and loved his kids. Yes,

447
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.279
he was not a violent drunk.
He wasn't a mean drunk. Actually he

448
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.079
was probably a too friendly of a
drunk. Yeah, but uh no,

449
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.240
he was very very he was the
life of the party. Yeah. And

450
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:38.119
so when you and I'm kind of
going back and forth, but you know,

451
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.119
I just want to establish for the
listeners that your dad was not some

452
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.640
drunk who didn't take care of his
kids. He loved his kids. He

453
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:49.240
his whole identity was being in your
y'all's father and being a family man.

454
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.400
And I think that's part of the
victimology of your dad and what he was

455
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.599
going through was that he felt like
his identity and everything he lived for was

456
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:02.200
being stripped away from him. And
what's in the center of it is Jeff.

457
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.119
And but Jeff did that very calculated
right to get a hold of you,

458
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.559
and he never touched your brothers though
correct there was an I don't want

459
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.799
to tell their stories. There was
an incident one time where like he was

460
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.359
telling my brother like to you know, getting your under roar or take your

461
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.839
under rare off or something like that, and my brother remembers me looking at

462
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.119
Jeff saying, Jeff stop, and
then Jeff did so. Other than that

463
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:26.799
kind of a little question, Well, I don't know if he tried to

464
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.240
test their boundaries at all, but
you know, I passed the test,

465
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.799
and so you know, when they
make that investment, you know usually it's

466
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.440
going to be a year or two, right because they're full, they're they're

467
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.119
very invested in what they're doing.
They're not going to jump on and rape

468
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.000
immediately. That's a slow, methodical
process. Your mom has to be comfortable

469
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.680
with him. Your dad got comfortable
with him, even invited him over for

470
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.640
dinner. And I compare it to
like women who are abused, like they're

471
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.279
like, he was so nice and
charming when we first started. Now he's

472
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:53.359
controlling. Well, well, yeah, he's not going to tell you in

473
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.359
the first day, what are you
doing? We're in net right, you

474
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.079
know. But once you get a
relationship, once he's got you, once

475
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.680
you've moved in, and then he's
gonna be like, ain'twhearing that? You

476
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.440
know? So it's kind of yeah, Jeff's gonna be as delightful as he

477
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:11.039
can be at the beginning, you
know. Is there anything that you're And

478
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.799
this is not in a negative light. I'm just asking because if there was

479
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.839
a kid being abused right now,
okay, which there are in the way,

480
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.559
are right? I don't know?
Um, but what if anything,

481
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:26.240
could your mom or your dad or
your siblings have done differently or said Is

482
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.119
there anything they could have done or
said that would have you felt like gave

483
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.279
you the opportunity to speak up and
say something to stop it? Or was

484
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:38.039
this like a secret that you were
horrified to Um. If I don't have

485
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.599
the hospital report, I would probably
would have never said anything because I and

486
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.039
people saw the other day. Because
when Father's Day, my dad blows up

487
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.319
every year like yeah, Poche Day. Yeah you go on Twitter or go

488
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.799
to I mean I got I gained
like a thousand Twitter followers just this last

489
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.480
week. My little brother he don't
even use Twitter. He got like eight

490
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.559
hundred followers because he just tweeted out
my dad was a kind or something like

491
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.720
that. So yeah, he blows
up every every year. But uh,

492
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.039
he was very very very nice,
kind man, wonderful family man, great

493
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.240
father. Yeah, and um so
let's talk about we all we know what

494
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.079
happened right that he and I told
the story in the episode. But he

495
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.400
you know, shows up at the
airport's pre nine to eleven. Obviously he

496
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.559
just walks in and kind of you
know, he never went past the checkpoint,

497
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.759
so you can still get to that
point with a gun in your boot.

498
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.599
And this was his plan. There's
no doubt this was his plan.

499
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:30.680
Um, I don't think he had
a plan. Well, but I mean

500
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.359
he didn't buy chance end up at
the airport. I mean he he knew,

501
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.279
oh he had the gun he had
to boot. I don't think he

502
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.559
had a plan. Yeah. As
a matter of fact, he was just

503
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.200
there just hoping he would walk by. Yeah, and then when he saw

504
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.160
his face then right then that's when
he made the decision that he was going

505
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:51.160
to do it. Yeah. And
um so after that happened, and I

506
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.839
know you're and I don't want to
give away everything in your book because I'm

507
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.920
gonna tell the listeners too that I'm
we're going to do some giveaways of sign

508
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.400
copies from Jody that, UM,
I can't wait to be a to send

509
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.240
to you. It's a great book. By the way, I read it

510
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.000
front to back. I took notes
from such a dork. I have notes

511
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.960
all stuffed in mind. But um, was there ever a point in time

512
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.920
after this happened when you got older, before your dad's stroke, that y'all

513
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.960
ever had, like a man to
man sit down and talked about, Um,

514
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.200
what happened and or was it necessary? I don't even know it wasn't

515
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.119
necessary. What would happen is you
know, occasionally Daddy would get too drunk

516
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.720
and am not a bad guy.
Everybody thinks I'm a bad guy. Everybody

517
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:30.960
just knows me from that, and
he didn't want to be known as that

518
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.119
vigilante guy. He would hate the
shirt that I'm wearing right now. He

519
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.920
would hate it because he doesn't want
to be He would have hated Father's Day.

520
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.240
I think he would have appreciated the
fact that people respect him on that

521
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.839
day, but he don't want to
be glorified and That's why I put that

522
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.400
tweet out there about that guy who
shared the mean before going and kill that

523
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.039
family. My father would not have
known that that's not the same thing.

524
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.759
Yeah, this was murder. Yeah, but I have to throw the button

525
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:03.319
there. But like I would,
I empathize with your dad. I'm a

526
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:10.640
mother of three and I can't tell
you the animalistic thoughts that would go through

527
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.839
my mind if I ever found that
out that happened to my child, and

528
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.079
I would want to stomp a mud
hole through whoever it was. Let me

529
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.319
just say this, anybody who would
find out the details who wouldn't feel the

530
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.160
same way, it's probably a pedophile. And then right, you should be

531
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.279
upset by it. And so I
know you know they came back, So

532
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.920
let's talk about this too. Um, when you went to the hospital,

533
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:36.480
okay, Um, they did the
full rape exam on you, did you

534
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.440
put up any fight or did were
you kind of like resigned to the fact

535
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.400
that it is what it is?
Just a Q tip was nothing compared to

536
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.240
right, right, No, So
I knew. I knew that I was

537
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.480
going to go to the hospital.
I knew that Jeff would be failing.

538
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.440
Back then, we didn't have the
term DNA, but I knew this male

539
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:57.480
genetic material would be on or around
my body. Um, so I knew

540
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:02.599
eventually that the LAD would come back
positive. And so I remember the night

541
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.880
before. It was March eighth,
nineteen eighty four. My mother's like,

542
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.200
Mike Burnette called, wants to come
over and talk to me and your dad

543
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.240
tomorrow. I wonder why, and
I'm thinking to myself, oh no,

544
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.559
So that whole day I was miserable
at school and I got on the bus

545
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.240
and you just internalized all of that
and never said a word. And well,

546
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:22.799
I knew I was gonna have to
face the music. I knew it

547
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.119
was time to come clean. And
I know you're a grown man in front

548
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:25.839
of me, but like, I
want to just hug you and be like

549
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.000
you're not alone, you know.
So I pull up to the bus stop

550
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.279
my mother sitting there waiting in the
car. I said, Okay, this

551
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.000
is what it's gonna be. Yea. So she sits me down on the

552
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.400
couch and she's sitting there and she's
like, um, Mike Barnette came over

553
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:43.480
today and they got the hospital report
back and it came back positive. And

554
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.720
I tried one more aft the stupidness. I was like, well, what

555
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.279
does that mean? And she goes, that means Jeff fulled with you.

556
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.440
And that's when I was like,
well, yeah he did. And she's

557
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.759
like, you know for how long? And I was like about the past

558
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.519
year? And did that just blow
her away when you said a year?

559
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.440
Not? At that point, I
think she was not surprised by anything.

560
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:07.000
I mean, Jeff kidnapped me,
right and did your hair even? Yeah,

561
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.599
I think she probably would have been. Now you know what, I

562
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.359
don't think she would have been surprised
because I think if you go and look

563
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.799
back, because my parents didn't know. And that's why I wrote the book.

564
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:15.920
I want parents to read it,
and I want them to look for

565
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.400
signs that your child might be have
something out of the ordinary going on.

566
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.880
For example, I was into sports. I played. I would leave my

567
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.000
football games to go to my soccer
games. I played basketball, I played

568
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.480
baseball or softball at baseball, So
I was into all these sports. Well,

569
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.000
then once I started taking karate and
Jeff started a lesson me, he

570
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.759
made me quit all the sports.
And what was the premise you need to

571
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.400
focus on? Yeah, so yeah, if you if you see something like

572
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.759
that, I mean that was very
like it was confusing them. My grandfather

573
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.599
even had to talk with me at
false forever. He sat me down and

574
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.640
he's like, look, you know, I'm old, I'm your grandpa,

575
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.960
and you know, one of the
things that makes me happy is watching you

576
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.920
played football and watching you play baseball
and other sports. And you were like

577
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.559
passionate about it. Based on what
things your brothers had said, and I've

578
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.079
read like you were and they always
said the best at it. I'm saying

579
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.359
it. You were the best at
it. You want all the karate tournaments

580
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.760
and and let me say it,
let me, let me brag on you,

581
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.440
Jody, like you were a kicking
ass as a kid, and then

582
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.800
all of a sudden, it's just
karate. I'll say this. I was

583
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.039
nominated for Athletes of the Year for
the East bet Rooge Parish. UM there

584
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:21.719
were five finalists. Um I lost, but I also lost to a friend,

585
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.000
a classmate that I've known since seventh
grade, Daniel Scott. And if

586
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.320
you don't know who Daniel Scott is, at one time, she was like

587
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.360
the female volleyball version of Shack.
She was like the best player in the

588
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:37.119
world. And she made that blow
softened because she went to five Olympics.

589
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.440
So the night I lost, well, when I watched her at I'm like,

590
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.320
okay, you know, okay,
I made the right choice. Fine,

591
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.320
that's awesome. Yeah. So your
grandpa picked up one it though,

592
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.760
and said why are you quitting?
They yeah, I mean they all picked

593
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.840
up, but they didn't know why. What was your excuse? I had

594
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.960
to focus on. I like Kari. I like karate. That's my thing

595
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.639
that I like Kardi. Were you
afraid of upsetting Jeff? Oh? Yeah,

596
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.559
I walked on ex shows around Jeff. He was easily upset too.

597
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.119
I mean because he's not at first. I'm talking about, you know,

598
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.639
coming down to the last four or
five months. You know, when my

599
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.920
parents separated, If I went in
road to the store with my dad,

600
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.360
Oh you love him more than me? Yeah, he's my dad jerk.

601
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.719
Yeah, you know, just trying
to throw guilt trips. He played a

602
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.400
lot of mind games, guilt trips, Yeah, just to have that power

603
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.920
over me. I don't think Jeff
ever thought I would tell. And I'm

604
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.679
gonna say this, I didn't not
tell on Jeff to protect Jeff. I

605
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:35.480
didn't tell on Jeff to protect me
because I wasn't confident that Jeff was going

606
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.280
to jail. Now, were you
afraid he would hurt your family? I

607
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.440
was afraid that Jeff was gonna go
through the legal process, get a slap

608
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.800
on the wrist, and then come
back at me if I told on him.

609
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.840
So by waiting until the hospital report
came out, then I could say,

610
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.679
Jeff, you got yourself caught.
I didn't tell on you. And

611
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.239
this is an eleven year old,
ten year old talking to a fricking twenty

612
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:58.480
year old. That's so the weirdest
dynamic that he would even tell you his

613
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.199
private problems, about his money problems
and about this and about that. Like

614
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.760
at twenty something years old, I'm
not confiding inn at eleven year old.

615
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.840
Well, I knew he had money
problems because he used to make me signing.

616
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.880
Then he would make me sign my
mother's name on the back of checks,

617
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.960
and then he say, oh,
that's not good enough to another one.

618
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.199
And so I'd write four or five
checks, or I'd signed four or

619
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:16.480
five checks, and then he'd hold
him and he'd just go cash them whenever

620
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.360
he needed, you know, twenty
bucks. And then when you're passing twenty

621
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.320
all checks here and there, Yeah, nothing, you know, nothing's gonna

622
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:28.920
happen, so um, y'all get
out of town and um when you come

623
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.599
back, I mean, I'm sorry
on your way out of town. In

624
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.039
the book, this kind of I
really sat back and thought about this.

625
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.400
Uh also for a while about when
y'all were on the bus and he started

626
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:43.280
making out with that woman on the
bus randomly, and that you said in

627
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:49.239
that moment you felt it almost a
pang of jealousy. Obviously that's not because

628
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.039
you were, you know, a
homosexual child, you know, chasing after

629
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.400
this adult man. I mean,
this was not right relationship. Then he'd

630
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.159
sinking like he gets mad at me
for riding a car with my dad,

631
00:36:58.199 --> 00:36:59.960
but now he's gonna be making up
with some chick. It was kind of

632
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.719
like almost like maybe jealousy and anger
to combine, Yeah, because you know

633
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.760
he's controlling me. But I'm pretty
sure while he was kissing her, his

634
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.280
left hand was in her purse.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

635
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.480
he had some type of motivation.
Yeah, what a freak like anyway,

636
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.119
but that I'm trying to think about
children who are abused. I'm trying to

637
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.599
think about, you know, the
confusion they might feel too to say Okay,

638
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.320
well I'm jealous of that or I'm
angry about this. But so I've

639
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.679
seen people this is what I'm getting
at. I've seen a lot of people

640
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.039
online go, oh that messed him
up for the rest of his life.

641
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.639
Oh he's gay, he's this,
he's that. I don't care what you

642
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.559
are. I'm not even gonna ask
you that. But did that, UM

643
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.320
hurt to hear or see things like
that? Um? Have you seen things

644
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.679
like that online that people say that, Oh, yeah, I just come

645
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.280
into a guy the other day.
Um, what did he say? Come

646
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.400
on, you know, something like
calling me gay or something or did it

647
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:52.920
make me gay? And I'm like, you know, no. And then

648
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.800
one person said that, oh,
if your dad was a good father,

649
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:00.239
he would never let you get molested
in the first place. And I said,

650
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:01.360
you know what I said, being
a victim, buddy was a pretty

651
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.239
shitty attitude. Yeah, you know, I was like, I said,

652
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.199
I'm pretty sure my dad didn't know, right know, went and bust of

653
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.280
a cap in his ass when he
found out. I mean, I'd have

654
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.320
had more respect for that person that
they said, Hey, man, you

655
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.039
keep really good secrets. Yeah,
you know, it was something, and

656
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:22.639
so, um, when Jeff died
and you found out that Jeff died mixed

657
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:29.760
emotions. It really wasn't that mixed. I would say Jeff was dead because

658
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:31.920
maybe maybe you could agree here or
not or coach me because I don't know.

659
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.840
But like, I just had a
friend that's no longer a friend obviously

660
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.199
that I thought was one person found
out they were another. And when I

661
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.440
found out, I had to mourn
the person I thought they were um,

662
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.320
if that makes sense. So it
was just the closest that me and Jeff

663
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:49.719
had had, regardless of whether or
not um I liked it or not.

664
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.800
I mean I was still close with
him. I was with him every day.

665
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:52.800
We go to the movies, every
day, we go to the mal

666
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.360
I mean we were you know,
I was with him, you know what

667
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.199
I mean. Yeah, So I
was, you know, sad that Jeff

668
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.400
had died. I he was.
I mean, now I'm not that eleven

669
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.360
year old boy anymore. And to
this day, I don't I don't advise

670
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.440
parents taking along into your own hands. I understand why my dad did what

671
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.639
he did, but the most important
thing is for a parent to be with

672
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.480
their child. Dad. Daddy put
himself at a big risk. He got

673
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.519
away with it. He got the
mulligan. You're not gonna get the mulligan.

674
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.119
You're going to jail, So don't
do it. Let the system handle

675
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.599
it badly, but be there for
your child and let your child know that

676
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.280
they can be Okay, that's the
most important thing. What did you need

677
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:35.840
from your family space? I needed
my own um basically, empowerment um.

678
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.320
Basically they let me heal at my
own pace, which was very pretty quickly.

679
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.000
Um. That was another thing I've
read. Oh, him and him

680
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.159
and his dad didn't talk for years. I'm like, that's that's bull I'm

681
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.280
like my dad. He went to
the mental facility for a month after he

682
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.920
got out of jail because he shot
him on a Friday. Couldn't post bell

683
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.000
till Monday morning. Then he went
to the mental facility. We would go

684
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.199
visit him. He was a different
person. He had shaved his beard,

685
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.800
he quit shaking. He was all
shaky beforehand. I mean he mentally,

686
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:07.840
he literally had a mental breakdown.
I mean, yeah, that was That

687
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.400
wasn't your just regular, everyday average
bad news. Your wife separates, your

688
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.559
kid gets kidnapped, you find out
he's being raped for the last year.

689
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.920
Yeah, that's not your regular everyday
bad news. So and it wasn't in

690
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.000
your face in the eighties. That's
something else. So like rape and child,

691
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.039
you know, and murder and all
this kind of stuff. It wasn't

692
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:29.480
in the news like it is today. I know. You know what made

693
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:35.559
it into news like it is today, Daddy Garry. Yeah. But um,

694
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.719
you know a lot of people empathize
with him or sympathize with him because

695
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.360
I mean, one of my favorite
quotes, it was, you know,

696
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.280
online or whatever, somebody said that, you know, if Jeff du said,

697
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.440
doesn't molest Gary Ploche's son, then
Gary Ploche probably never commits a crime

698
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.920
in his life. And another person
commented, and it's my favorite comment.

699
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.679
He said, Gary Ploche was not
Gary Ploche until he had to be Gary

700
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.360
Ploche. I know, I love
it, and that's a fact, you

701
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.159
know. And I think part of
the today's times to the frustration and why

702
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:14.440
I love your dad even as an
adult, is because we all talk about

703
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.239
what would we would want to do
to somebody, but now we know,

704
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.519
and now we know we can't because
like you said, he got the mulligan,

705
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.559
but Daddy did it. Man,
Daddy protected that boy. But I

706
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.159
do want to say this, and
I look, Jeff's a son of a

707
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.000
bitch. Okay, I'm saying it. Yes, did his family ever reach

708
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.719
out to you after the fact in
any way? I mean, you went

709
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:36.679
to his mom's house when you were
kidnapped. Did they ever knew? No?

710
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.559
No, after Daddy shot Jeff.
No, we did. Now we'll

711
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.800
see this. One time I was
going to the record store as me and

712
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.519
my little brother. My little brother
had had an incident at the swimming pool

713
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.920
where he just stayed underwater a little
longer than he shouldn't, and so he

714
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.239
had to stay in a hospital.
And we got out of hospital. We

715
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.840
went to the music store right around
the time Michael Jackson's History album came out.

716
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.440
And then we were walking into the
store and who comes walking out but

717
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.679
just brother So and what's his brother's
name? This is rolland rolland's been on

718
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.679
the radio, Rolls Rolin's great Roland
was a good guy, right, and

719
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:15.320
he just retires recently. So and
so I see rolland Roland had a cast

720
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.360
on. Mikey's face was all scraped
up from where we had to revive him,

721
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.400
so his face was all marked up. So they're kind of like,

722
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:22.840
you know what happened in your hand? What happened in your face? And

723
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.960
I was like, yes, I'm
just coming in here to new Michael Jackson

724
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.639
album. And the guy who was
with him goes that child molested someone,

725
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.119
want to take him out, And
I was like, this didn't just happen.

726
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.440
Oh my god, Like this guy
clearly doesn't know who who we are.

727
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.400
Oh my god, Oh my god. That sounds like something that would

728
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.000
freaking happen to me. I always
have footmouth syndrome and say stupid. I

729
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.920
mean me and Roland just kind of
leaks you, like, you know,

730
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.480
have a good day and you haven't
really spoken to you. I haven't seen

731
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.719
him since then, but I mean
I wouldn't mind. I mean, you

732
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.079
know, I mean they didn't do
it. Yeah, I mean and and

733
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.039
I even made the point of the
book rolling of all people could be the

734
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.920
boast upset because he fought in Vietnam, and part of fight in vietnams protecting

735
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.480
the United States Constitution, which says
the criminal has a right to a fair

736
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.280
trial by jury of his peers.
We're rolling foot for that right, you

737
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.880
know. So Jeff did deserve his
day in court. I wish Jeff would

738
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.679
have got his day in court because
Jeff made a comment over the phone tape

739
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.400
recorded phone call Toby, mother,
meet me in New York if you ever

740
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.880
want to see Jody alive again.
So when he made that statement, simple

741
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.840
kidnap and turned into aggravated kidnapping,
which is mandatory life. So Jeff was

742
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.320
going to jail for aggressive his life. Yeah, and I was. And

743
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.440
he was even lying about where y'all
were too, Yes, we were in

744
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.280
California. He was telling my mother, what is that about. I've never

745
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.840
really understood that, because didn't he
did he really want to meet with your

746
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.920
mom? I don't. He's a
psychopath. I have no idea what the

747
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.559
hell he was thinking. But I
love your candor. Yeah, you know,

748
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.400
it's just like I don't know what
the hell anyway? I mean,

749
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.639
who I mean, he didn't even
have a plan. I like y'all walked

750
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.679
around and when and saw a movie
get shot at one point right Hill Street

751
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.000
Blues. We were walking down,
just walking and we've gotten to the bus

752
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.239
station around six o'clock in the morning. We hung out there till the sun

753
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.599
came up. Then we just kind
of walked around downtown in La And as

754
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.679
we're walking down the street there's cop
cards and its cameras lights, and Jett

755
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.480
didn't want to go down to it. But they had just filmed the movie

756
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.639
The Toy here in Baton Rouge with
Richard Pryor and Jackie Gleeson, and so

757
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.159
we went out there one day to
watch them shoes. So I recognized it

758
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.960
as being like a film, so
I said, no, come on,

759
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.320
let's go. So we spent probably
two three hours watching the film, just

760
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.039
one scene over and over again for
Hill Street Blues, which aired the night

761
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:28.480
before the shooting. Oh wow,
So do you um when you went back

762
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.559
to school? Also, after all
this was said and done, I know

763
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.039
you wrote about how you got to
be kind of the cool kid and say

764
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.679
I got to see that be shot, you know, the movie or whatever.

765
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.039
So I got to tell the class
about it and how the whole thing

766
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.079
went down. So when they saw
it, they knew that I had actually

767
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.440
watched it. No, But the
funny thing is when I got to school

768
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.599
my first day back, my mother
had dyed my hair from black. It

769
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.400
was kind of like orange, like
any Lennox and sweet dreams were made of

770
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.320
these. You were like jays.
You were like all sorts of different colors.

771
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.480
So I walk into the gym.
And so I walked into the gym

772
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.360
at the opposite end of the gym
where my friends were sitting on the stage,

773
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.519
and so I walk over and they're
just kind of staring at me.

774
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.119
They're like and the whole gym got
quiet, like, oh, he's here.

775
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.000
So I walk over and I'm looking
at my friends and they're just kind

776
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.519
of just looking at me, dumfounded. And I my first words out of

777
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.599
my mouth was what y'all looking at
me like I've been kidnapped or something.

778
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.239
Yeah, And then they all started
laughing, and then you know, girls

779
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.079
came and hugged me. And then
I go to home room. I walk

780
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:29.239
in the home room, have Big
Sciences Welcome back Jody. All the kids

781
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.360
in the class signed it, and
then they had a current event board and

782
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:36.320
they had my picture on the current
event board and my signature. Well,

783
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.719
I guess I'd sign a piece of
paper and they put it up on a

784
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.440
bit the current event board. Well, right above that was an article that

785
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.119
said boy in plastic bubble dies.
So I looked at the classes that said,

786
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.880
well, all didn't give me much
of a chance, did Yeah.

787
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.880
And so if you look if you
google, google when the Boy in the

788
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.800
Plastic Bubble died. I also mentioned
Michael Jackson under Grammys. You google.

789
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.360
I like, that's how I can
remember dates. So I'm like, okay,

790
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.519
in February of well it would have
been Yeah, February would have been

791
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.159
beginning the March nineteen eighty four.
You google when the Boy in a Plastic

792
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.519
bubble died, and it would have
been a current event at that point.

793
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.039
I got you, So are you
tired of telling your story? That's why

794
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.639
I wrote the books? Yeah,
so that have been just read it.

795
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:15.559
It's like, is it aggravating when
people like and you say, hey,

796
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.199
will you come to my focaut?
No? No, no, no,

797
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.920
no, no, no no,
trust me, there's so much value though

798
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.480
in your experience. Well, trust
me. There's nothing more I'd rather do

799
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.079
than Joe Rogan's podcast. That would
be life changing to me. Joe Rogan,

800
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.559
if you're listening, we'd like to
add Joe Rogan, Um, Kelly

801
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.599
and Jody Can I Can I come
along and just watch? No? But

802
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.559
Um, that'd be amazing. Yeah, he's a cool dude and he's he's

803
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.519
no hold I mean I did the
math. I mean he has like what

804
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.840
eleven million listeners. I think it's
closer to twelve. But if you use

805
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.639
the eleven million, I know,
like if someone goes on the line and

806
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.480
buys my book, because it's been
out for almost three years and I can

807
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.119
look at total number sold, total
money earned, and I make about eight

808
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:58.000
dollars a sale. Yeah, okay, so if one half of percent of

809
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:02.280
Joe Rogan's You're done. Rah,
I'm getting a new fence. There you

810
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.679
go. So let's talk about the
book real quicks before before you wrap up.

811
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.000
Um, I didn't know this.
But what's funny is I bought the

812
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:14.079
book before I even contacted you,
and um, it was. It came

813
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:15.880
in by Amazon. It was sitting
on the table by the couch and my

814
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.320
mom called me. It was so
weird, and I answered the phone and

815
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:20.639
I said, hey, Mama,
what are you doing. She's like,

816
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.599
Kelly, did you know that there's
a Why Gary Why book? It was

817
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.000
so bizarre, and I was like, yeah, sitting right here, I

818
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.639
got it. And Mama was like, that's the Gary when you were little,

819
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.000
you know, And and so I
read it and that's when I contacted

820
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:35.880
you. But you told me the
cover is actually a very deliberate, and

821
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:37.119
I'll put a picture of it online
for people and all that. But it's

822
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.719
a very deliberate cover, right if
you if you google my name. I

823
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.960
did an article for The Advocate when
the book first came out, and they

824
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.840
got pictures of me. I'm holding
my dad's shirts. So my dad had

825
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.519
on a purple and white striped shirt, and so it's the pattern of the

826
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.079
book. Is the pattern of the
shirt. Yeah, I like that.

827
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:59.199
It's you know, I owed to
your to your dad. If you could

828
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:04.159
say one thing to your dad right
now today, what would that be,

829
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.079
would have anything to do with this
or would it just be I love you

830
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.239
to my dad? You know,
what would it be if I could say

831
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:15.599
one more thing to my dad?
I'm proppy. Thanks, Thanks, not

832
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:22.199
just for this but for everything.
Yeah, it's a good daddy. You

833
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.599
did that on purpose. Sorry.
I want you to know in my heart

834
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.039
how much I love your father.
And I never met him a day in

835
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.719
my life because I believe in him. I believe in his goodness, and

836
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.199
I believe that he just wanted to
save his boy and his family. And

837
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.559
I think that's one of the most
um honorable, honorable things that a man

838
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.320
can do you know in our society, take care of your kids, love

839
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.159
your kids. Ye, well,
I'm gonna put a link. Sorry about

840
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.360
that, I'm gonna put a link. I'm gonna put a link on there

841
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.079
for people to buy your book.
I hope that y'all will guys and support

842
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.719
him. And and um, that's
not why he came on. I got

843
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.199
one funny story. I don't like. I don't like choking up. Okay,

844
00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.840
sorry, um, but uh,
the first time I spoke after daddy

845
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.320
died. And if you if you're
not if you want to go go on

846
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.360
ESPN, go to YouTube. We
go to ESPN E sixty a time to

847
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.760
kill that. It's like a fifteen
minute kind of ESPN. What ESPN E

848
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.440
sixty six a time to kill?
Okay? And so I should usually show

849
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:21.400
that at my presentations. And it
was a national conference here in Bataruge that

850
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.840
I was speaking at and I went
and I had, like I said,

851
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.159
this was the first time I would
get up in a speech after Daddy died.

852
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.320
And I showed that video and I
got choked up, and so I

853
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.760
had to go back to speak,
but I couldn't. And so they're like,

854
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.599
okay, you can go ahead and
start, you can start, and

855
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.280
I'm like, I need a minute. Yeah, And finally I wanted to

856
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.119
say unfortunately my father passed away last
year. But all I could get out

857
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:52.880
was daddy died. Your heart.
So I had it. Like the next

858
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:54.840
week, I had a presentation in
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and I said,

859
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:58.360
all right, before we start this
video, which don't remember, my dad

860
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.159
died. So I got it out
of the way. Wait wait, I

861
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.719
have to insert this. I know
we were wrapping up, but I have

862
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.719
to tell you this. So I
went and spoke before um, the Louisiana

863
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.400
Sheriff's Association a few years ago,
okay, and I was trying to promote

864
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.519
criminal justice program and all that.
Anyway, Well, when I got in

865
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.000
the room and I saw all the
sheriffs standing there, you know those are

866
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:19.039
like my people, man, I
like, look up to the you know

867
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.280
it just it was like my and
I got so choked up that I literally

868
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.159
opened my mouth and I went that
noise. I sounded like a dinosaur like.

869
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.480
I stopped at the lady that was
with me looked at me, and

870
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.840
she goes, um, she doesn't
normally croak like And then I finally got

871
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.800
it out, so yeah, to
become overcome with um, you know,

872
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.599
emotion. I get it. I've
made a fool of myself a time or

873
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.880
two. So but look like I
said, I'm gonna put the link on

874
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:50.239
there. We have one audio giveaway, right so if you like to listen.

875
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.320
Um, obviously you're a podcast listener, right if you're listening to this,

876
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.599
But if you want to listen,
I'm gonna be giving away one,

877
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.079
um audio listen for free. And
I have two signed books by mister or

878
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.960
Jodi Ploche himself, and UM,
I can't wait to give these away.

879
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.159
And I really appreciate you coming and
telling your story, um, you know,

880
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.000
to help people get the truth,
you know, in the whole truth.

881
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.920
Well, good, thank you for
having me, and good go Tigers

882
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.440
LSU Baseball. Tonight, y'all.
That's when we're recording this, and I

883
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.079
hope that we win and we take
that World series. Y'all. Take care