Dec. 23, 2025

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Season 9
It's Christmas Eve and as is tradition, KJ goes unfiltered answering the questions asked by the listeners and supporters of Unspeakable!
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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, caj

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here back with another episode of Unspeakable. And this is

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going gonna be a little bit different. It's right here

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before Christmas, and so I wanted to end off this

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year doing an AMA or an Ask Me anything, And

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so i'd pose some questions out to my Patreon members.

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And I got a lot of really good questions. And

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so I've got producer Jimothy with me here and he's

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gonna ask me the questions. You got them? Print it out, right,

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I have him print it out. Okay, good, he's gonna

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ask me the questions. I'm gonna do my best to

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answer them. And hey, if you have more questions, send me,

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shoot me some messages, let me know, and I'm always

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happy to answer off the cuff and tell you what

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I really think. Also, just so you know, there is

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no video to this podcast, because there isn't.

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That's one way.

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But we were trying to get we have some production,

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a lot of production going on today, and so we're

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just jumping in here with our voices.

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All right, So you want me to just go ahead

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and just.

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Hammer away, do it.

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Ask me some questions and I'll answer to the best

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of my ability.

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All right, k Jay.

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This first one is from Andrea. And Andrea says, you're

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my favorite podcaster except for Jim Chapman.

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Wow, thank you, Andrew.

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She didn't put that doing an excellent job. The DTL

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series is awesome.

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Scares me so bad.

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A couple of items from the Cootie story. What happened

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to the children?

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Great question? So because they are miners, I'm gonna limit

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I think a lot of what I do know about

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the children, But from what I have been told from

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people who are in circles with the children, I believe

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that they are being raised by family members. But I

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believe they're being raised by family members on Kayla's side,

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now that's and I believe that's not a direct quote

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me on that. It's just based on some things that

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I've read. And like I said, some people who know

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them personally said some things to me that make me

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believe that, so they're in good hands. And that to

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that note, I want to add something to this. You know,

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just because somebody does something terrible doesn't mean that their

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family is terrible, you know. And Kayla has good parents,

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She has nice parents, She has kind parents. And I've

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never met them, but that's been told to me by

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people that know them. That her mother is the type

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of person that would give you the shirt off of

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her back, that her sister is a kind woman, and

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that you know, she she does everything that she can

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to be a good person. And I think sometimes it's

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just kind of devastating when someone does do something like

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this and then people automatically turn around and try to

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apply it to the entire family. It's not right, you know.

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So the kids are in good hands, being raised by family,

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and I think it's I think it's appropriate.

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Very good.

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And she had a follow up to that, and she said,

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in general, do you think with serial killers it is

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nature or nurture?

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Or a combination of both.

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All Right, I think that that's a great question, and

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I'm going to go on both. Okay, and here's why

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whenever you're looking at sexual deviance. Okay, they did a

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lot of studies on these that I've read, and it's

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believed that you know, you have your neurotransmitters in your

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brain and dopamine and all of that. Well, they did

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studies on people who are like arsonists, and I know

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you asked about serial killers, but arsonists and other types

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of crimes too, and they found that they had higher

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levels of certain types of these neurotransmitters in their brain,

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and they believe that there is a science to it

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that would be nature. Now, when it comes to serial killers,

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I think that they've got some type of hang up

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that a lot of times I see is probably a

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social construct, and that they were born into poverty, single

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parent household. They weren't raised to the best of their abilities,

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but not all of them, because if you look at Dahmer,

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Dahmer had a great dad. But for the most part,

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I think that there's some type of maladaptive repet sponts

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to something in their life, and as a result of that,

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they just latch onto the wrong thing, and then they

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start building up these fantasies and these wants in their

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minds until they just can't I guess control it, and

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they just spin out and they go do whatever it

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is that they that they desire and that they want.

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I also know that there's a whole lot of sexual

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deviance in serial killers, whether it's suppressed or not. There's

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ones that they go and they kill children because they

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are like your male homosexual killer serial killers, and they're

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trying to suppress that homosexuality. They don't want that to

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be seen on the outside, and so that's what makes

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them drives them to go do these things in darkness.

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Plus their pedophiles. I mean, these these killers are and

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so you know, there's just that multi layer to it

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of why they do what they do. I never think

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that you can put your finger down on one thing

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and say that's why they're a serial killer. I think

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that it's like a perfon fixed storm that occurs in

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the wrong person, and that's why they do what they do.

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But when you are raised in a in a culture

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of violent, permissive families, where you're not held accountable for

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whatever reason of your actions, and you are, you know,

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going through the court system even as a juvenile. A

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lot of them will go through the system as a

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juvenile and they won't be held accountable to the maximum

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standard and they'll get slapped on the wrist. Well, of

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course they continue and they escalate and escalate, so it's both.

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There you go.

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It's a long answer. Sorry, my brain was racking, you know,

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twenty years of study trying to conduce, you know, make

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it small.

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All right, And she follows that up with one more question,

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and that is, you're an animal lover. How many pets

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do you have and what type of pets are they.

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I have seven pets. I have a Docsin who is

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my heart and soul. That's Toby Man, Toby Bones. I've

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got two French bulldogs because I breed bulldogs of my

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French cheese, but not like a crazy breeder. Just every

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couple of years we'll breed, and that's Delilah. I have

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one of my friend chies. Her name's Dottie, but we

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call her Pig. I have a cockatoo who is loud

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and obnoxious and he only loves me. His name is Teddy.

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And I have a hamster. I'm not sure what the

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hamster's name is. My daughter calls it something different. It's

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been bear, it's been cocoa. And then we have two frogs. Oh,

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I'm sorry, No, we have three frogs, two tree frogs.

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And then we have a big fat those big fat

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pac man frogs and his name is Chump.

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He covered them all, I think, So all right, let's

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go to the next one.

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And this is from Jessica Taylor and she says, Kelly,

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I'm sure you're not talking about this, but here goes.

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I have an Apple podcast, and my podcast sounds like

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everyone is drunk?

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Can you and Jim helps either what?

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I'm kind of confused. Does she have a podcast and

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it's not sounding right when she's pucing it? Or do

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you and I sound drunk? Or do I sound drunk?

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It sounds like she's listening to.

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Either you or us on Crime Wire Weekly or something,

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and uh, we sound drunk.

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Well, we drink drunk. Sorry, I am affected. No, I

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mean I'm high on coffee and Fiji water. That's all

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I'm drinking while I'm recording. What do you think that is?

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You think she's got a speaker issue maybe? Or or

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is it us? Are we the problem.

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I don't know, girl. I know I'm not drunk when

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I'm on here.

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Unfortunately, if I'm drunk, you will know because Jim would

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not record, you would not hit the record.

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Yeah, if I'm drinking, the last thing I want to

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do is put out a podcast.

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I can promise you.

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Lord, I lose, I lose my mind. I say, ship,

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let's go get my ass. Maybe we should maybe, yeah,

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Kelly after dark. Yeah, I'm sorry if it sound drunk.

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If that's what you mean, if you have a podcast

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and it's not being produced properly or needn't help with that,

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maybe maybe clarify that to me and maybe we could help.

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I'm not sure, but sorry, if I sound drunk, I'm

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not all right.

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We're gonna go to the next one. This is from

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Angela and she says, Hi, Kelly, Hi, Yes, you can

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say my name.

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Hey.

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Un Fortunately, my question is do you do all the

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research on a case or do you have help? Also

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if you ever need help, well, I'm your girl.

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Oh that's awesome. I really appreciate that offer. Actually, I

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do all of my own research now. Every now and

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then Jim will be like, hey, man, awesome case, and

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he'll print me out some stuff he found and give

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it to me. But as far as research goes, I

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am not like your big podcasts with multimillion dollar budgets

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that have a huge research team that you know, basically

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write it for the host and then they just go

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and podcast it. I do one hundred percent all my

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own research, and that's on purpose. That's why I also

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can't put out more than what I'm putting out right now,

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is because I do the own research. Maybe this, maybe

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it's contradictory to to what people want, you know, maybe

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people more episodes. But I want to read it with

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my own eyes. I want to understand it with my

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own thought processes, and I don't want someone else's thoughts

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impeding my view of things. I mean, I want to

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look at I use Supreme Court appeal documents, I use

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court documents, I use official records, and I do my

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best to really vet everything you know. And if I

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want to be solid in my opinion and what I

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tell you and stand on business, I need to do

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the research myself.

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There you have it, and I want to say something

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on this, and that is that she does do it.

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Kelly. I don't think will ever ever.

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Be one of these people that will allow someone else

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to research for her, she might allow them to do it,

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and then she's going to double check everything, which is phenomenal.

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It's great. And so I can tell you this.

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I have a lot of respect for Kelly that she

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literally does the deep dive herself.

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You know, even if it takes a week.

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And you ought to hear our conversations in here, because

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because she does, she goes really deep and involved. And

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I messed with her about a kid about it. But

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I really have a lot of respect for it because

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her information is accurate, it's right, and she puts a

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lot of effort into it.

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Yeah, And I can tell you this too, which is

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mind blowing. But I've read I'll read books sometimes on

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a crime. Right then I'll go pull and I assume

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the person that's written a whole ass book on something

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has done all the research. And I would assume that

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you know, if you're willing to put it to print,

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that you're accurate. But I can tell you recently, I

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read a book on a crime that I'm covering, and

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then I went to the Supreme Court documents and I

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was reading through the autopsy of the victim and the

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Supreme Court had a completely different record of how many

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stab wounds there were to this victim. Well, I mean

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it sounds great and more salacious if I go with

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the inaccurate number that was in the book. But I'm

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going to go with the Supreme Court record because to me,

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that's as legitimate as it's gonna get. So that's why

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I do it the way that I do it. And

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I appreciate that, Jim, that you have respect for me,

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because it's a lot, you know.

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It is all right, We'll go to Emily Ham and

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Emily says, Hi, Kelly, absolutely, you.

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Can say my name. I always say the names for I.

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Hope, but I don't come across and one as I can't.

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How did you.

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Come up with the name for your amazing podcast? And

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how long does it take to do each episode? And

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I feel so lucky to have you come across, to

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have come across your podcast.

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Two years ago.

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I love a you engage with your listeners and make

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us feel special.

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That's really good.

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That's awesome. And I know Emily. I know herd question

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her picture. She has her little glasses on in her picture.

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She talks to me a lot. So the name, believe

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it or not. When we first were thrown around names,

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I wanted to go with crime Time. I thought it

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sounded kind of newsy and cool, and Jim thought that

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was fricking cheesy. And so we went back and forth,

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back and forth, thrown out ideas, and the gym is

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actually the one who said, what about unspeakable? And Uh,

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I really liked it, because if there's ever a word

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to describe these crimes, it's unspeakable. So I'm giving him.

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I'm giving him full credit for that one. I think

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it's perfect.

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Let's go to uh Mary Reeschard.

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Hey Mary, and Mary says, Hi, Kelly, you can say

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my nay anyway. How many hours do you work on

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your podcast a week now that you are not working

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with the kiddos. Also, congratulations on doing what you love.

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I'm grateful to be able to follow and listen to you.

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You are a rock storm my mind. Maybe we can

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meet one day. I make a mean lasagna. Hey, I

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might want to be.

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Okay, First, Mary, let me tell you this. I thought

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you were joking with me at first, because one of

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my good friends and neighbors has the same name, so

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I was like, wait a minute, So I thought she

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might be playing me, but it wasn't the same person.

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But first all love lasagna, good pick. I'd love to

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meet you too. We're gonna we're gonna have some stuff

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coming up in the future where we can we can meet.

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But what was the question?

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How many hours a week from your podcast?

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A lot, A lot, A lot. So I can tell

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you I drop my kids off at school in the

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morning by seven thirty and I'm on the computer usually

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buy seven fifty am in the morning. And some days

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I now, I mean I take a break to eat

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and you know, feed the dogs or whatever. But I

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can tell you some nights I'm at that computer till

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nine I really am. Most days, i'd say I put

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in I put in a solid eight hours total a day.

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And then what happens is, though you have to research.

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A lot of people think that podcasting is just getting

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in front of a mic and running your mouth, and

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they don't think it's a real job, and they're crazy.

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They are absolutely insane. If they have a good podcast,

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they know this. But you work Monday through Friday, or

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really the weekends, and then Monday through Wednesday, I write

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all day long, all freaking day long, research and writing, editing,

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you know, fixing and all of that. So there's at

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least what twenty four hours of research in three four days,

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and then we record usually what on Thursdays and Fridays

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are usually when we're recording those. So but then I

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go after I record, I go home and I work more.

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So a lot of hours. It ebbs and flows. There

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you go, and how about the wait, let me tell

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them this. Yeah, for every one hour of podcasting, you

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can guarantee there's eight hours of research and writing. That'll

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tell you that it's one to eight.

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So about I have eight to ten hours an episode? Problemly?

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Yes, yeah, yeah, Oh it's a lot. Yeah yeah.

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All right, we'll go to Mandy Ramirez and Mandy says,

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what started your love with law enforcement and true crime?

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And how do you decide? How did you decide to

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become a teacher, how did it all evolve? Thanks for

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all the wonderful content. I look forward to getting a

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notification every time there's a new episode.

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And she's from Arlington.

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Oh well that's awesome. Hey hey, Mandy, So my love

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of law enforcement, I like I just said a minute ago,

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It actually started when I was little, when I was

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seven or eight. My favorite shows were that Rescue Number

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one and Unsolved Mysteries. I can remember run, you know,

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before we could record the TV. I remember running when

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that music would start and jumping in front of the TV,

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and my mama knew, don't don't interrupt it. When I

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got older, it became forensic Files. I was obsessed with

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Forensic Files and I loved watching Court TV. And everyone

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thought I was a loser for that. You know who

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watches court trials? I just ate it up. I loved it.

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I loved the testimony and the game of law. Now,

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when I started in college at LSU, I had a

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professor named Yoshinori Como, and he was a Buddhist. I

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remember that for some reason. But he just put on

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a masterclass of the very first criminology core I ever took,

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and I ate it up. I read the textbook, which

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you know, you don't want to read a textbook, but

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this was just I couldn't. I could not get enough

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of it. I could not get enough of it. And

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so that's really sparked my love of criminology in college.

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And then Kathy Fonto, if you've been listening for a

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long time, she came and spoke. She was a warden

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at Angola. She came and spoken one of my classes.

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It was a truancy class, and I was sold. From

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that moment forward, I wanted to do what Kathy Fonto

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did and she hired me. That's what took me out

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to Angola and the rest is history. Now, once I

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was out of Angola working at the prison, Livingston Parish

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Public Schools reached out to me, or reached out to

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the prison and said, we're looking for somebody to start

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up a criminal justice class in our parish. We don't

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have one. Do you know of anybody, but they have

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to have a master's degree. Well, I happened to be

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the only one working there that fit the credentials, and

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so they shot me and email and I was like,

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no way, I don't want to go do this. But

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then I saw it was in Livingston Parish, which is

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where I live, and I was commuting. I was doing

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a long commute every day to Angle and back long,

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so I got long. It was a what was it

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one hundred couple of hours? Yeah, it's one hundred and

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something miles. Yeah, so an hour plus each way. But

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I loved it, and so I wanted to do it. Well,

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I said maybe I should try this because I was

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having a baby or I just had a baby, and

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it was closer, and so I decided to take a

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chance and teach. I'd never thought about it, never done

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it before, and then I just fell in love. The

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kids loved it, and you know, when your kids are excited,

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you get more excited. And that turned into a seventeen

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year career. I went through the law enforcement. I went

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through my training while that was happening, because I had

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guest speakers come in and I got really excited by

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our local law enforcement. So that's when I went and

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became a depth beauty while I was teaching, and I

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would actually work night shifts with the Sheriff's office and

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then come home, get hour's rest, and then go teach. Yeah,

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I mean I put in some work, finished out my

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master's program before that, and then it, just like I said,

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just evolved. I went and got trained as a dispatcher

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and certified as an instructor, and so that's when I

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was certifying a dispatch and then podcasting just came. I

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would say, organically, huh, Jim. Jim was there from the beginning.

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I was invited to be on another podcast and I

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came on it. People like to hear me speak, and

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that's how the podcasting started. Yeah, I think that's the

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full scope.

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Well that's right, and so uh we'll go to round

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to George.

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Yeah, help, what's up? Run helped me?

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She says, how long does it take for you to

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research and produce one episode? Your podcast is informative at

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times funny because I love your kjaisms, especially at the

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end of the show, and they are well researched and produced.

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Shout out Jimothy.

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Yes, indeed, so I've answered, I've answered, I've answered. Eight

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hours is legit eight hours for every one hour of

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podcasting research. It takes me about an hour and a half.

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I would say to record a one hour episode because

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sometimes you get stuck on your word. I'm human, I

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get stuck on my words or I'll misspeak, and then

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production that's on Jim, Jim what you say?

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Yeah, so, uh, you know, I would I would say

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the recording time would be considered production time. Then you

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have to or I have to take that edited, I

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have dial the sound in.

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That's a whole separate process.

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And then you got your uplighting time, which is also

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time consuming probably all in I would say each episode

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is a good thirteen hours.

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Yeah, twelve to thirteen hours from start to finish.

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You have to schedule them on the platforms and all

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that sort of stuff, So it's it's work.

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It's a whole lot more worthy that goes into this.

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Yeah.

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You know, you watch people like Theo Vaughn get behind

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the mic, spit out just some hilarious shit, and you

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think that you just hit you know, you know, record

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and then stop and then upload it. People, I really

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think underestimate what it takes to have a solid and

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good podcast. Now the DTL series, that's a different animal.

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Gee whiz. I struggle. I'm just being open and honest.

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I write these episodes myself, but sometimes I struggle when

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I'm doing those. I know Jim works really hard to

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edit those because I want them to be just right.

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I want to say things right. And then we also

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have another friend we brought in who is a producer.

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I'm a shout out Mike Cash if he's listening, and

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he does he adds in those sound effects.

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Yeah, the background kind of the background music and stuff

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is something oh my gosh, I didn't even want to

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want to tackle that in addition everything I was doing,

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because that's that's about another hour and a half to

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two hours.

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And he, Jim, produces a whole lot of other shows too,

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not just me, even though I'm the best in the favorite,

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but I.

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Just can't form that out to a guy that produces

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a law enforcement podcast.

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Yeah, and I just want to give him a shout

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out too, because I know he does that and I

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appreciate that, and he does a good job of it.

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So that's where that's how long it takes and how

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it comes together. But it's a lot of work for

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just one hour.

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Crazy, just one hour.

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And now we're going to go to Likan and Liken says,

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what is a case that you would like to see solved?

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Oh? Easy, it's local and I think that we have

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the answers to it, just proving it's the problem. But

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Wesley Dale Morgan, google it if you have never done that,

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if you're on my Patreon and you're in the chats

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that we have. I posted his little picture. But he

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went missing when he was like two years old, never

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seen or heard from again. They've got an age progression

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that they've done of him. He's he would be in

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his twenties now, but I want it solved because something

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the fair has happened to this child. He was out

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playing in his front yard supposedly, and then he just

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up and went missing. Now further investigation has been done,

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the mom failed I think two polygraphs on that one,

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which is a red flag. And then now there's been

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information released over the years that he may have been

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sold by his mother to allegedly. This is unconfirmed. I'm

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just telling you some stuff that's been thrown around, and

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that he may be living in Texas and having no

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clue that he was bought by whoever's raising him. That

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one I want solved because I want so bad for

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him not to be dead. I want that child to

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be alive, and whatever happened to him, I want him

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to be alive.

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There you go, and we're going to go to Sheila,

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all right, and Sheila says, how do you balance storytelling

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with respect for the victims and their families and do

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you ever feel conflicted about contacting them? Oh?

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Yeah, this is probably the biggest thing that I deal

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with personally, because whenever I'm telling a story, you can

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bet one thousand percent that I have the victim in mind.

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And that I want them to have a voice. The reality, though,

482
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.720
is that some victim's family does not want that voice

483
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.519
to be had by someone other than themselves, which I

484
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.359
totally respect and I understand I do. You can ask

485
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.720
Jim this one. I reach out to family all the

486
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.160
time because I do want their input. They knew this

487
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.519
person better than I ever. Will people put spins on

488
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.960
you know, this spin information that you don't want spun.

489
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.000
Sometimes information that's so pertinent and important to why these

490
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.880
people did what they did, and you know it matters

491
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.680
to me. One victim in particular, I actually, by chance

492
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.279
met this victim's pastor. By chance, I was at a

493
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.319
funeral and that pastor was conducting a family member's funeral,

494
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.119
and we we still speak to this day, and he

495
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.880
made me feel so much better about what I was doing,

496
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.000
because he said, it just shows integrity that you would

497
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.279
want to speak to the family and not skip over that.

498
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.359
And so many family members on that note have told

499
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.039
me other people have written books about my family, they've

500
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.240
done movies, they have made literal movies about some of

501
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.319
these victims and not reached out to the family. How

502
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.079
I don't understand that. I don't understand how you do it.

503
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.039
So I will always put up the effort if a

504
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.119
family asks me not to cover certain aspects, as long

505
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.559
as it keeps the case or the story solid and true.

506
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.519
And I'm not, you know what I'm saying, manipulating by

507
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.200
leaving out something super important, then I'll respect that, all right.

508
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.720
Have you ever experienced something Oh and incidentally it is

509
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.720
from Mark. He says, have you ever experienced something creepy

510
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.359
or unsettling while researching a case, like an uncomfortable story

511
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.720
that just stuck with you?

512
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.200
A lot of them, really. I think one case that

513
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.359
has always bothered me is the Piglia case. And I

514
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.599
already covered this one, but it's the one where the

515
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:12.359
dad was chopped by his son with an axe, and

516
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.519
he chopped up his mom too. Mom end up ended

517
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.920
up living, But dad it only damaged the part of

518
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.079
it didn't damage the part of the brain that kept

519
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.759
him functioning, like on a superficial level. So the dad

520
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.240
got up and got the newspaper and bled all over

521
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.960
the house and just all of these things, And that

522
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.680
one just really disturbed me. And then the mother said

523
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.839
that her son did it. But then when she came

524
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.160
back too, and ended up surviving her face as just

525
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.480
totally destroyed. She doesn't remember that, and she stands by

526
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.519
his side still to this day. And I just my

527
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.960
heart heart hurts for her because her son absolutely did

528
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.440
that to her. But that one, that one's that one

529
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.160
bothered me. I just thought of going through the motions

530
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.480
and you're mortally wounded and bleeding all over your house

531
00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.599
before you just collapse, making cereal. Wow, that one bothered me. Yeah,

532
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:01.640
that bothered me a lot.

533
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:05.759
All right, we've got another one. This is from Candace,

534
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.880
and Candace says, if you could interview any historical figure

535
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.039
involved in a famous crime, who would it be and why?

536
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:20.359
Any historical figure in a famous crime? And why? Well, okay,

537
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.759
I would love to I really would love to sit

538
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.680
and talk to Dahmer. I know that's kind of like

539
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.119
a gimme, he's involved in the crime. I would like

540
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.640
to talk to him and pick his brain a little bit.

541
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.119
I really and I know this sounds weird, but I

542
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.119
would really really love to be able to interview victims.

543
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.200
I know that's weird, But if I could talk to

544
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.440
Jean Vne Ramsey Man, I would love to talk to

545
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.640
that little girl. I know that's probably not the angle

546
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.160
they were taking, but that's who i'd want to talk to,

547
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.279
and I want to know what happened to her and

548
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.319
I want to know what she went through. So that's

549
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.559
probably not the angle that you're asking, but I would

550
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.039
like to really talk to the victims.

551
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.039
There you go, It's true, all right. What is the

552
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.880
most surprising thing? This is from This is from Lisa,

553
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.000
and she says, what is the most surprising thing that

554
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.480
you've learned about yourself through hosting a true crime show?

555
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:20.759
I've learned that I am much more in tune emotionally

556
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:28.400
with people than I ever thought I was. Because you know,

557
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.240
some people I know, they can get behind the mic

558
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.880
and tell a true crime story and it is what

559
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.759
it is, just a story to them. I don't know.

560
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.519
To me, it hits different having worked in prison amongst

561
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.440
killers and knowing what their life is like behind bars,

562
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.279
which it's not as bad as people think it is.

563
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.480
And I hate to say that, but it's true. These

564
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.680
are real people and to know, you know, I always

565
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.000
try to put myself in their position. I didn't realize

566
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.480
how personal I take these things. I take it very personal,

567
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.599
and I think maybe it's attributed to maybe back in

568
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.160
a time where I didn't feel protected when I should

569
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:12.000
have been. And so now you know, when I cover

570
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.960
these stories, my goal is to make sure that people

571
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.440
know they were real and that they went through something

572
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:22.480
and they're not just a headline good answer, it's the answer.

573
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.640
Yeah, you know, I love that. All right? We got

574
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:28.079
one more okay.

575
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:33.279
Today and this comes from Kevin, and Kevin says, uh,

576
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.799
if you could collaborate with any other podcaster or expert,

577
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.480
who would it be and what topic would you tackle?

578
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.359
Dang, I mean that's big.

579
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:43.759
Other than me.

580
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.559
Of course, collaborate with this is going to make people

581
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:46.920
want to run.

582
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.200
I know I would be your favorite.

583
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.559
Obviously, this is going to make people roll their eyes.

584
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.319
I know it is. But I met her in real life.

585
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.240
She was the yeah you can last, you know what's coming.

586
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.880
She was the in real life. I like her and

587
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.559
I know people don't, but I can't help it. Nancy Grace.

588
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.880
Jim's laughing. I met Nancy Grace, and that is dynamite

589
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.920
in a small package. But let me tell you about

590
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.000
Nancy Grace. The reason she became the person she became

591
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.000
is because her fiance was murdered, and that absolutely she

592
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.839
came home and found her fiance murdered. That is what

593
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.880
spawned her legal career. That is what spawned her to

594
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:31.759
be so vivacious and so angry when people are getting

595
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.079
away with this shit. It's not fair that woman looked

596
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.680
at her fiance dead on the ground. She never got

597
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.440
to marry him. She saw at that moment her life eviscerated. Now,

598
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.160
obviously she got remarried, she had her twins and all that.

599
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.519
But I met her in real life, and I'm telling

600
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.839
you she's real too. She's as her personality, but she's real.

601
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.720
She is real, and I will never forget being an Angola.

602
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.680
One day working and this inmate came up to me.

603
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.680
He worked on the Angle Light. He came up, which

604
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.640
is a magazine by the way, that you can subscribe

605
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.599
to and it supports prison stuff. But anyway, he came

606
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.119
up to me and we were chit chatting and I

607
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.640
said something about Nancy Grace and his head spun around

608
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.559
and he's like, oh, I know you don't support loose

609
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.880
lips Nancy. And I said what do you mean? And

610
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.359
he was like, everybody knows she lies. Let me tell

611
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.200
you something right now, that woman isn't lie. In that

612
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.359
woman is saying what you don't want to hear. That's

613
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.680
what's happening. And that inmate just looked at me and

614
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.640
I thought, oh shit, I just told him murder or something,

615
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.920
you know, straight to his face. But you know, I

616
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.279
respect her. That's a fact. I would love to uh.

617
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.319
I would love to podcast with her one day.

618
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.200
She's certainly done a great job with what she's done.

619
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.880
And that's all the questions we got, Kjae.

620
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.160
That's good. I really appreciated these and made me think.

621
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.839
And this is on Christmas Eve, so ye got anything

622
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:52.400
you want to say?

623
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.519
Yeah, I want to say Merry Christmas. I hope that

624
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.400
my friend Ronda is listening right now. Ronda is the

625
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.640
mother of the two children, Summer and Tanner, that were

626
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.519
murdered in my Nineteen Day Devil series. I've been watching

627
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.880
her post about how she just wants the holidays to

628
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.519
be over. They're never the same. And I hope she's

629
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.480
listening and she knows how much I'm thinking of her

630
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.440
and that she is the reason and part of why

631
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.920
I do what I do, and that you're not forgotten

632
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.319
on these holidays. I know they're difficult, but anybody that's

633
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:26.119
struggling through these holidays. Man, you're not alone. I promise

634
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.640
you reach out, find your people, find support groups if

635
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.680
you're in grief, and if you're not, I hope that

636
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.839
you just enjoy the love and you have a great holiday.

637
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.359
From the bottom of my heart.

638
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.400
Very good and happy birthday Jesus.

639
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:41.799
That's right, Happy birthday Jesus. You know I'm a Christian

640
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.400
and I do love me some Jesus. So until next time,

641
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.759
I'm your host, Kelly Jennings, and I don't have a

642
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.160
mic drop, so I'm just going to say ho ho ho,

643
00:32:49.279 --> 00:33:01.240
Merry Christmas.