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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast. Or I tell stories of real

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crimes with real victims whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey y'all, kJ you're back

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for a new episode of Unspeakable.
I hope you've been having a great week

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so far. If if you're a
Patreon member, you're listening on Tuesday,

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it's only the second day, so
I mean, it can't be that bad,

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right, But I hope you all
are doing great. I've got a

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couple of shout outs for you that
I want to say hello to some people

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all the way from New York.
What in the world New York, Miss

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Lisa Frankoski, Hey, Lisa,
Uh, I didn't go to Frankosky almost

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said that. I went to New
York for the first time about a year

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ago, and I had such a
good time. We stayed for a week.

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It was amazing, and so I
plan on coming back. I just

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I'm so excited about having somebody all
the way from New York join, Thank

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you so much. And then I've
got miss Jen Ross from Michigan. Hey,

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Jen, how you doing. I'm
so glad to have you join the

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crime family. It means so much
to me. Your support literally is the

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difference, and I work hard to
give y'all quality content. Thank you so

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very much from the bottom of my
heart for joining. And then I've got

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two people from Wisconsin. I've got
miss Kristen. I think it's Millius,

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Melias Millius. Hey Kristen, thank
you so much, as well as Lorie

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Dunaway, Hi Laurie. So glad
to have y'all join in. And certainly

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not least, but the last one
on my list today is all the way

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from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, mister
Richard Sobers. And I've enjoyed speaking to

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you, mister Richard a couple of
times. We've already messaged back and forth,

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and it's just been a pleasure to
speak with you. And I'm not

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gonna share what you said your former
job was, but I really appreciate your

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service and thank you so much for
everything that you did in that in that

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field. But today's episode is gonna
be again. It's gonna be another one

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from Louisiana. But it's a case
that's always been intriguing to me, and

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it's gonna be about Vincent Marinello and
his wife Elizabeth. So it's around two

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thousand and five, and y'all,
there's a lot going on in New Orleans.

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And if you, you know,
are not from here, you wouldn't

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You wouldn't know about I guess the
inner workings of the city, but most

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most people flock there from all over
the world during Marti Gras time, which

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is coming up soon, and locals
know that the city isn't to be taken

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lightly. Crime rates are through the
roof in New Orleans, and robbery and

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pickpocketing, those are all common problems
while you're there, and while walking the

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streets of the quarter, as it's
known, is a great pastime during the

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day after dark, y'all, things
can get a little sketch, all right.

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But before taking on the nitty gritty
of the city, I want to

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talk about the good parts. The
lais Le Bontenroula if you will, right

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letting the good times roll, And
I'm going to focus on Canal Street for

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right now. If you've never been
there, it really is a sight to

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behold, even if you you know, it's just beautiful looking at all the

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old buildings and the architecture and the
smells, not so much because it's kind

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of stinky, but that charm of
days gone by, to walk through the

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streets of New Orleans, it's just
something that if you've never done it before,

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it really is a good time to
have. And I'm gonna be taking

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my family. We go to New
Orleans every year for Marti Garras. We

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say a prayer before we leave.
We hope we don't get shot. Hey.

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Matter of fact, like four or
five years ago, where we went,

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we were partying. We were having
the best time, catching all the

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beads, and then you hurd a
little pop pop, and somebody got shot

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in a porter potty. And I'm
gonna tell you, I'm not laughing at

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someone getting shot, but I'm laughing
at the fact that if you're gonna shoot

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me, please don't shoot me while
I'm using the restroom. That's probably not

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the time ideal to do such a
thing. I'm busy, wait till I

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step out. But he yeah,
he surely did. He got popped in

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a porter potty all right now,
at a grand one hundred and seventy one

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feet wide Canal Street, it's more
than just a major downtown thoroughfare. If

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you know, looking at it back
and forth, if you just watch,

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you readily see street cars and taxis
and pedestrians and they're just making their way

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through the city. And for two
hundred and sixteen years, specifically, it

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has served as an entertainment district.
And my family, like I said,

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we go there all the time to
enjoy not only the parades, but the

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food man, the food y'all.
It doesn't get any better. And it's

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actually king cake season right now as
I record this, I got me some

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at home waiting. Don't play with
me. When it comes to a keen

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cake, I'm gonna tear it up. This story, though, is going

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to take place a little bit later
in the year than Carnival time as we

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call it. Specifically, We're gonna
be about August of two thousand and six

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and forty four year old Mary Elizabeth
Norman Marinello affectionately known as Liz to those

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that loved her. She was living
there, but she was born in Mississippi

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in nineteen sixty one. And y'all, she was a beautiful woman. She

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has this brownish auburn hair and light
eyes. Her teeth were something you noticed

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in a photo. She had these
shiny, pearly whites. And I didn't

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know Liz personally, but I can
tell you that just looking at her and

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learning about her, she was a
catch. Okay, this was just an

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all around This was a good woman. And she worked as a respiratory therapist

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at a children's hospital. And she
was a divorced mother of one daughter.

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So when she wasn't working, Liz
liked to do outdoor sea things. She

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liked to garden and ride bikes and
just really enjoy the great outdoors. And

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when she was able to, she
also liked to go into the movies and

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seeing plays. I'm sure she was
able to enjoy a show or two at

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the famed Sanger Theater right nestled right
there on Canal Street with its lit up

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sign promoting the latest shows. And
without question, she loved and lived for

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her daughter. Now she would find
herself caught up in an eight month whirlwind

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romance with a famed sportscaster from the
area named Vince Marinello. And he had

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been married before to his second wife, actually Andrea Marinello, but they had

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long been separated. He was single. He was charismatic, and everyone at

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the time knew who Vince was.
He has that thick New Orleans accent,

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right, he had a thin frame, this thick, wavy hair, and

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he had the confidence of a king. So he started his career reporting for

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the Saints, and he really liked
being in front of those cameras. I

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can't blame him starting with the Saints, right, who'd at baby? Y'all

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all know or should know by now
that I am a Taysom Hill fan,

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and if he ever needs some mortal
support, I'm there to give it to

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him. I love me some Taysom
Hill, and Vince loved him some Saints

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too. Now. When Vince spoke, people listened, and they knew they

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would get great coverage of whatever story
he was covering, from sports to tragedy.

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Vince was the man on the scene
and he was featured on multiple radio

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and television channels in New Orleans,
and he served as an in house television

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host and analyst at the Fairgrounds race
Course from nineteen ninety until two thousand and

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five. But Vince did a good
job, y'all, and he would eventually

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climb his way to sports director of
NBC affiliate WDSU in nineteen ninety two.

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He was a very passionate guy and
it showed plainly put. Vince was a

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liked media personality and he covered many
aspects of the city, which would eventually

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come to include the complete and utter
devastation created by the powerhouse storm Hurricane Katrina.

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Now, Katrina is a famous storm. I think everyone in the world

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has heard about Katrina and it and
what it did to the city. And

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I remember Katrina well. The stories
are horrifying of what people went through.

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And if you don't remember, I'll
refresh you real, real quick. Katrina

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was a devastating Category five Atlantic hurricane
and it caused one thousand, three hundred

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and ninety two fatalities. That's insanity. And it caused nearly one hundred and

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forty five billion dollars in damages in
late August two thousand and five, and

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it was just under a year prior
when Elizabeth and Vince had met. When

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he was emcing for an event to
get some extra cash. This was in

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February and it was at the Rock
and Bowl. So that's a bowling alley

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and a dance hall mix, and
it's known for its zydaco music. If

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you don't know about zydeco music,
go listen. It's very Louisiana. His

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magnetic personality and his larger than life
essence caught the attention of Liz, and

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he seemed fun, and he seemed
a man that was well known and he

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was well respected, and that was
just really attractive to her. Now,

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you know. Sure, there was
a bit of an age difference between the

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two of them. Liz was forty
one and Vents was sixty six, so

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there was a gap, right,
but the intrigue outweighed that age gap.

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They began dating almost immediately. They
just had a chemistry that they couldn't deny,

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and after just eight months of knowing
one another, they sealed the deal

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with a marriage in October of two
thousand and five. After all, y'all,

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the heart wants what the heart wants, right, and they were really

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devoted to one another. But a
little over a year would pass, and

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as the marriage settled and the hot
and heavy you know, it waned a

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bit a few cracks in Vince's persona
on camera and in front of others versus

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what was being experienced at home.
They became a little more glaring to Liz.

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So in front of others it was
all front stage, lights on,

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smiles, you know, showing with
that upbeat personality shining through, and people

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loved it. But at home,
when the attention of everyone else was gone

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and the lights were off, Liz
was realizing maybe she missed a few red

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flags that she probably should have noticed. But again she was caught up right.

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It was a whirlwind romance. See, Vince really really liked being a

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celebrity. He loved living the proverbial
high life, even if it was more

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smoke and mirrors. We all know
that a nice purse and expensive clothes don't

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mean shit when it comes to your
bank account, don't we You know,

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a Gucci purse and no money in
your wallet is a friggin joke. And

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the truth is, people pretending to
be wealthy is like a sickness in our

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society. Everything and everyone seems to
be faked these days, don't they Like,

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you can't just be happy being you. Everyone is just dead set on

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pretending they have more than they do, and impressing others is the drug of

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choice. Well, Vince was no
different. The reality was Vince portrayed himself

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to be of status and wealthy,
but in reality, he was broke and

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he made very little money. Now. Years prior, he had made a

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decent living on TV, but there
had been a change in management and he

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was now no longer in front of
the camera. He was even asked to

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take a pay cut, but he
declined and he moved to radio. But

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he soon found that the glamour of
radio wasn't the same as being on TV.

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In Vincent's eyes, y'all, if
the camera wasn't on him, he

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didn't feel like he was being celebrated. He also was making less money regardless

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of the job shift that he made. And I don't want you to get

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this twisted or anything. Liz wasn't
someone after money or anything like that,

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but the truth about how much money
he made versus what she believed to be

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the case before marriage was shocking.
Liz was basically fronting much of the money

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and she was funding the marriage at
this point, and the stressors of the

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financial situation and the disagreements, the
two began having we're building Vince even wrote

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a you know, wrote a note
to Liz at one point telling her and

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he wrote this, this is his
own words. You are cold, sarcastic,

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selfish, unfair, and in general
you've become aggravating. He complained that

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she didn't compliment him enough. This
is a quote, I, on the

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other hand, always tell you how
beautiful you look. Do you really believe

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I like everything you wear? Do
you really think I look at you as

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being beautiful every time? I think
you kind of can pick U up here

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that things were just not going well
to be so early on in a marriage,

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then adding insult to injury, Mother
Nature had her own plans when Hurricane

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Katrina made landfall in New Orleans.
This was on August twenty ninth of two

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thousand and five, and it pounded
the city for days, and when it

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was all said and done, eighty
percent of the city flooded. But there

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would only be one radio station that
remained on air during this time, and

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lucky for Vince, it was the
one he was on, Hot Dog Right.

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He was the one that survived.
His show remained on air, and

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while it had seemed as though his
beloved fame was fading right in recent times,

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the spotlight on his voice seemed to
be a bit of an ego boost

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to Vents, and it made him
feel as though his career might be getting

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the boost he had desperately been wanting. Unfortunately for him, though, he

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too was included in the devastation because
when he got home, his own home

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had been flooded. And so rather
than living this pomp and circumstance he loved

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to portray, he found himself living
in one of those infamous FEMA trailers that

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covered much of the landscape of South
wa And look, if you don't know

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about this, take a minute and
go research those FEMA trailers. They are

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literally infamous. Actually right here in
Livingston. Years ago, you would drive

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down the interstate and you could look
to if you were going, you know,

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eastbound, if you could look to
your left, there used to be

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a I don't know if it's still
there, I'd have to go look.

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But there was like a graveyard of
FEMA trailers. I mean, as far

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as the eye could see, you'd
see all these run down old FEMA trailers

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funded by me and you, and
they were just left there to junkin rot.

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So he had one of those FEMA
trailers and it was parked on his

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property, but certainly did not reflect
that lifestyle of the rich and famous by

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any means. So as the water
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the intimacy of the Marinello marriage.
As if lying about his income he supposedly

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made and the wealth he supposedly had
wasn't enough to put a rut in their

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new marriage. How about your new
spouse being incredibly jealous of your only child,

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that's right, Vents was beginning to
resent Liz's daughter for the attention and

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the love that she received from her
mother. That gives me such ick factor.

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Maybe it's the meanness that I've learned
about myself coming out, but it

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gives me total ick when a man
is upset that a woman who grew a

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child and gave birth to her continues
to love their child and give them an

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abundance of attention. Give me a
break, Vince. But he was jealous

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of it and the marriage was failing. Liz was emotionally drained from the fighting,

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the finances they were an issue,
and the disdain that she was,

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you know, feeling from her new
husband towards her child. It was just

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lee Liz in a bad spot.
So after many thoughtful discussions with her friends

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and talking to her mother, Liz
decided, you know, I think maybe

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it would be best if we just
part ways and we go about our lives

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without one another. This isn't working. You know. It was a whirlwind,

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but the wind done bloweth outeth We're
done right. I don't want to

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do this anymore. And in the
summer of two thousand and six, Liz

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Marinello filed for divorce from Vince,
and it certainly wasn't something that Liz had

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taken lightly. She was very distraught. However, she made the decision to

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invest in her own mental health and
she also began seeing a therapist to work

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things out and to have someone basically
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Her therapist's name was Marianne Catalinado and
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and Liz began seeing her for issues
including anxiety and depression, and all of

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it was related to this, these
marital problems that she was having. Matter

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of fact, she had a standing
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pm and she never missed her appointments. At one time, Vince even attended

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those appointments with her, but that
was a thing of the past. They

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were fighting too much, it was
it was a really bad deal, and

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so she just continued to go on
her own and to really, you know,

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work through through some stuff. Imagine
being you know, in your mid

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forties and you've now taken on this, this marriage, you know, your

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second, and it fails so quickly. I'm sure she was just totally appalled

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at everything that had happened, and
then how could I fall for this?

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And then to know that the man
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was a total you know, sham. Really, I can see why you

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might want to go talk to somebody, maybe rethink some yourself, almost like

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what kind of decision making have I
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that's pretty important about Liz's personality is
that she did want to be, you

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know, her best and to give
her best, and that she sought help

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to make sure that, you know, she wouldn't kind of fallen off the

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wagon here. So while I certainly
was not privy to any of their sessions,

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obviously I can imagine that she felt
completely duped and that she was mortified

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right that she had fallen for Vince, who seemed to be a pompous,

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broke, jealous jerk at this point, and not to mention the fact that

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Liz was smart. How could she
misread him so badly and get herself into

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this marriage. She was too old
to be dealing with such lies and this

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juvenile behavior of this man nearly twenty
years her senior, but she was married

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to the man for now. Liz
was strong and she would be able to

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bounce back from this, but she
needed help in understanding and really mitigating her

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feelings about the devastation that had been
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it was August thirty first, two
thousand and six, and Liz had attended

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her appointment with Miss Catalinado, and
the meeting took place at Metorie Towers,

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which is located along Metorie Road,
and that's a main high end resididential and

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commercial thoroughfare, and that neighborhood contains
places like banks and restaurants and shops.

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But it's also a good location because
it's a quick connection to Interstate ten,

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which is, you know, the
interstate to take you anywhere. And that

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meeting went well, although Liz had
found out more about Vincent that made her

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beyond angry and very hurt. In
fact, she shared with her therapist the

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fact that she found out Vince was
still paying his ex wife's expenses, Like

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what, you're still paying for your
ex wife? Not to mention he wasn't

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making much money. He married Liz
and then took her funds to pay his

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ex wife's bills, broomg not to
day stay ten. Do you hear me?

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I would lose my mind? Are
you kidding me? I would be

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mad too. What kind of relationship
do you have with your ex to be

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paying her bills while married to a
new woman who was basically funding your dog

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and pony show? Can you imagine? Then adding insult to that injury.

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Liz was completely flabbergasted to discover that
although Vince and his ex had been separated

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since nineteen eighty, they weren't technically
divorced, not until three days after he

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married Liz, he was still married
to the woman, still paying her bills

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and married Liz. Basically, Liz
realized she was dating and had technically married

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a married man, and that deceit
was unbearable and just sickening. What else

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are you lying about I mean,
that's where my brain would be. You

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don't like my kid, hurriedly married
me. You spend it all, you

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know, you spending all my money. You're still married? What O MG.

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But Liz wasn't a pushover, and
she stood on business as the kids

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would say these days, and that's
right. She told Vince she wanted a

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divorce and not yesterday like now,
I want a divorce now. And she

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made sure he knew. Look,
if you're gonna give me a hard time

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about this, after you've already just
taken me for a ride anyway, she

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said, Look, I'm gonna go
public with the reality that you're a bigamist.

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If you're gonna give me a hard
time, then I'll just let everybody

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know what kind of man you really
are. This is ridiculous. And they

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hadn't been married long and in reality, Liz was actually just hoping to have

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the marriage annulled and just have her
hands washed of it. See, she

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had already hired an attorney. Her
name was Gwen Hanheart, and Gwen had

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filed a divorce petition on Liz's behalf
in July of two thousand and six.

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Vince had already left that marital home
that they once shared. That was around

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August first, and almost immediately on
August second, that same attorney, Gwen

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had prepared an amended petition asking that
the marriage being nulled due to the bigamy

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issue. At the time that Liz
married him, so that had grounds to

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stand on. He couldn't have technically
married her he was already a married man.

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She didn't sign up for this and
she wanted no part of these lies.

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But she wasn't having an easy time
getting through to Vince because he seemed

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to suffer from a bad case of
narcissism. I get really irritated these days.

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I know this isn't about me,
but I get irritated these days.

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I don't know about you, but
everything seems to be a disorder, right

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like as if a doctor could fix
it. I guess he would fall then

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into the category of narcissistic personality disorder. But I mean where I come from,

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he would just be called an entitled
asshole. Okay, but potato patato

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whatever will give him a medical diagnosis. But basically, this type of person

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is someone who has an unreasonably high
sense of their own importance and they literally

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seek others' attention with no other reason
but to have those people admire them.

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It's not about the other people,
it's about them. He wanted other people

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to admire him just because he was
the great Vince. The tricky side of

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this is that narcissists mask extreme confidence, but in reality they're really not sure

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of their self worth and they're easily
upset by the slightest criticism. And y'all,

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I am no man hater by any
means not. I'm just going to

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say that Vince suffered from a chronic
case of that extreme fragile masculinity that you

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hear about. I mean, his
ego was made of eggshells. He was

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bothered by, but not the consequences
of his own actions and the lies in

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the marriage, but bothered by the
idea that he was so ingrained in society

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and people thought so much of him
that this information, if it was leaked,

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would derail his so called career comeback
that he was so desperately trying to

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get. It was basically a shit
show. And Liz was over it,

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all right, and she wasn't going
to fight about it. She was over

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it. So she completed her session
alone with her doctor Catalinado, and she

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said her goodbyes to her therapist.
She gathered her things and she headed to

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her car. So it was roughly
three point fifty eight pm. Her day

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was coming to an end. She
may have needed to run to the grocery

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store or make a few phone calls
or something along those lines, but she

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was in a decent place at the
moment, and although she and Vincent were

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estranged at this point, she still
had a good head on her shoulders and

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she knew she was going to get
through this. So she exited the building

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and she quietly walked to her car, which was parked towards the middle of

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the parking lot, and she was
likely looking for her keys in her white

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purse as she approached her vehicle,
and just before she opened the car door,

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a man approached her. Now whether
he spoke to her or not is

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unclear, but as she looked up
at him, and before her brain could

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even process what she was seeing,
the man raised a thirty eight Special and

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shot her twice directly in the face. She didn't even have time to raise

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her arms to defend herself. The
shots were fired rapidly, bow bow right,

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one after the other, and her
lifeless body collapsed directly to the ground,

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where she laid sprawled on her back
as the warm blood slowly pooled around

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her shattered head and the bullets entered
her head and would seal her fate because

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she didn't stand a chance. As
quickly as that man had approached Liz,

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he was gone, but not without
being seen by witnesses. A nine one

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one call was made by a clearly
distressed female witness from her eyes if it

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looks like head. Police were quick
to arrive at the scene and the witnesses

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stuck around telling them of the shooter's
grand escape. They described the shooter as

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a scruffy old guy with wild hair, and they mentioned he had a beard

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and a mustache, and he had
like beady eyes, so they had a

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pretty decent description of what this guy
looked like. One witness, her name

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was Patricia Whitey. She explained that
she exited the building at approximately the same

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time as Liz, and that the
man, which she described as having a

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fake looking beard, she didn't think
it even looked real. Wearing jeans,

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a hat, and a long sleeved
flannel shirt. He made her very nervous

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when she saw him in the parking
lot because he just struck her as out

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of place, and he looked odd, and just his being made her nervous.

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And then another man, his name
was Stanton Bundy. His office overlooked

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the parking lot, and he said, immediately after he heard those two shots,

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he saw a scruffy old guy riding
a bicycle through a row of cars

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in the parking lot. And then
another resident said that he saw the same

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guy who caught his attention because he
seemed really overdressed considering how hot the day

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was, in a flannel shirt and
he was peddling furiously to leave the parking

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lot no more than thirty seconds after
he heard the shots. So this fella

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was His description was pretty clear.
All people said they saw the same guy,

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and the truth seemed to be that
someone waited for Liz to exit the

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building, walked up and shot her, then simply jumped on a bicycle and

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rode away, and by the time
responders had arrived, that assailant was long

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gone. So back at the hospital, amazingly, Liz was still alive.

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She was alive, y'all, with
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she reached the hospital, her family, I'm sure was immensely scared, but

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her family did have some hope to
cling to. So based on a publication

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that I read from the American Association
of Neurological Surgeons, they were writing some

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articles I found specifically giving attention to
patients with gunshot wound head trauma. So

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this is likely what lives endured whenever
they roll them into the hospital. Right,

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the patients are aggressively resuscitated upon initial
arrival at the hospital, and if

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blood pressure and oxygenation can be maintained
in that victim, an urgent CT scan

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of the head would have been obtained. Now, once they do that,

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the doctors are then going to determine
the level of consciousness, and they do

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this on what's called a Glasgow coma
scale, and that scale is from one

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to fifteen, and any patient that
has a score of less than a seven

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or eight is considered to be in
a coma because basically they're trying to say

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what is the degree of brainstem neurological
function that this person has. Now,

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I want to tell you something about
this. I don't know what her family

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went through and they were getting this
information and how horrible it, you know,

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they felt. But I can tell
you. I have a own personal

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experience I'm shortly share with you,
and it has to do with my own

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husband, who suffered a traumatic brain
injury years ago. And this was something

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that his mama well documented as it
was happening. And you know, I

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don't have access to Liz's medical records
for obvious reasons, but I wanted to

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share my husband's Glasgow Coma score so
you can hear exactly what my family was

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told when we were facing the exact
same situation. It was not a gunshot

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wound. I will tell you that
it was from a motorcycle accident. But

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he too, you know, suffered
severe brain trauma and this is what the

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doctors said to us. I'm going
to read this from a book that his

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mom made for him, and you
know, it's got some personal stuff in

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there, but hey, you're a
listener, right, you deserve to hear

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it. I'm looking at the book
and it's got kind of the story of

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what happened to my husband and how
that he was going to have to go

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into surgery and he was basically in
the fight for his life. His leg

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was partially amputated, which is why
he had to have a major surgery,

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but his head, his brain was
swelling and so it was causing severe problems.

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And on this Glasgow coma score they
look at your eyes open, your

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best verbal response, and your best
you know, motor response. Remember if

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you score really low, that means
it's bad news. Well, my husband's

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eyes did not open spontaneously. They
did not open to speech. They would

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open only if he was put in
further pain. His eyes would open.

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The best verbal response we got,
you could have a high score of being

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oriented. Then there was confused,
Then there was inappropriate words. My husband

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scored a two with incomprehensible sounds,
so he couldn't even put words together.

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It was just noise basically that he
was making. And then his best motor

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response he did not obey commands,
he could not point out any pain.

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He scored with a withdrawal to pain
only, so you know he was not

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doing well. And then the doctor
even there's a note on here that says

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that it was not looking good.
And the doctor said that he had a

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seventy percent chance of dying. And
that's basically what our family was left with

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to cling to in the waiting room. Seventy percent chance of not surviving is

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gut wrenching, to say the least. And just to add insult to that

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injury, just a personal story,
my husband's brother had already been killed in

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a boating accident, so his poor
mama went through a lot, you know.

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So I don't know exactly what Liz's
scores were, but I can tell

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you that no matter how much you
love someone, you can never love them

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back to life. Unfortunately, all
you can do is pray. And Lucky

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for me, the prayers were heard
and answered, and my husband did survive.

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Not only did he survive, he
went past any milestone they expected him

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to ever make. He was supposed
to be in a nursing home, getting

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round the clock care, nearly vegetative, and he's not. You know,

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he's my husband, and he's a
great daddy. Liz was facing one,

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not to mention, two bullets to
the face, which is obviously going to

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be devastating as it passes through that
vital brain tissue, and it injured important

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vascular structures inside of her head.
And it's common that immediately after being shot,

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a rapidly expanding blood clot in the
brain will critically compress the brain tissue,

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which is what results in that immediate
death like at the scene, but

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if you survive that initial penetrating blast, the issue then becomes the increasing pressure

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inside of the skull. So,
as Liz lay severely wounded and clinging to

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life at the Charity Hospital Trauma Center
in Elmwood, Dennis Thornton, who was

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the commander of the Jefferson Pear Sheriff's
Office Homicide Division at the time, he

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had been assigned scene investigator, and
he had spoken to many people at the

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scene, including Liz's therapist, who
said her husband was aware of the standing

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appointments because he had attended the sessions
before with her, as I had already

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mentioned to you. So police tried
to contact Vents to say, oh my

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god, your wife's been shot.
You know, we've taken her here.

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You might want to get up there, you know. They tried to get

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in touch with him, but he
just wasn't answering the phone. He wasn't

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at home aka the FEMA trailer,
he wasn't anywhere, And it wouldn't be

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until ten thirty that night that a
colleague who worked with him named Bob Mitchell

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would get a whole events and share
the horrible news and so Vince shrieked through

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the phone, is she alive or
dead? But for the moment he got

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good news. For the moment,
Liz was still alive. Unfortunately for Liz,

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though her family and her loved one's
prayers would sadly not be enough to

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save her from the horrific attack she
sustained that day, and Liz would succumb

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to her injuries shortly thereafter, around
two am. This was now a murder.

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It's well known that when you're you
know, starting to investigate a murder,

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you're going to go from the inside, you know, people who are

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closest to the victim, and you're
going to work your way out when you're

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trying to look for suspects. And
going through a bad divorce made Vince the

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prime suspect. So when police finally
spoke to him themselves, they wondered why

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he was nowhere to be found during
their original attempts to contact him, But

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he actually had a valid reason.
Despite what you may be thinking, Vince

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had been to Mississippi at the time
of that shooting because he had been invited

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to watch a Saints football game at
the home of an ex girlfriend, and

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this did check out all right,
and you can't be at two places at

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one time. So this was looking
to be another incredibly sad and senseless killing,

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you know, due to a robbery
gone wrong, which wasn't too far

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fetched considering the ridiculously high crime rates
of New Orleans. Lucky for police,

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though, the investigation would start off
strong in that there was a security camera

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facing the Metaie towers, and the
footage therein was pretty telling. It clearly

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revealed a person standing in and then
moving about the parking lot right before the

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murder. A school teacher also came
forward. Shout out to the school teachers.

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Never underestimated we're paying attention or not, but a school teacher came forward.

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Her name was Lauren White, Miss
White, and you know, I

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know you're like, what would a
teacher know about a murder? Well,

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really, she just held actually a
small piece of a large puzzle that was

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going to be put together. See, she was a teacher at a grammar

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school and she had taken note on
the three afternoons that led up to the

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murder. She was outside with students
and she kept noticing a man who appeared

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to be a vagrant riding a bicycle
towards Metorie Towers. Now, that was

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the three days before the murder.
And what really made her notice him was

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Number one, she had to protect
her students, right, and the possibility

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of this vagrant near the school was
alarming to her because she said he looked

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really focused and he had really scary
eyes. Those are her words, very

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focused with scary eyes. And number
two, Miss White stayed that he wore

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the same type of clothing each of
the days that she saw him, and

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that in and of itself concerned her. It was just odd, right,

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he had the exact same clothes on
every time, and those clothes sounded much

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like what the woman said at Metory
Towers that the bad guy was wearing that

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shot her. And she also mentioned
that she saw him travel in the direction

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of Metici Towers on the day of
the murder, but this time, the

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day of the murder, she didn't
see him return. So were those three

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days leading up to this possibly a
run through or practice for the murder to

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come That teacher felt like this guy
was involved somehow, or at least matched

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the description that the other people had
given. Within days of Liz's murder,

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the police would be confident that this
was not a botched robbery. Matter of

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fact, Jefferson pair Sheriff Harry Lee
literally called this a hit job to the

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media. This is totally off off
topic, but I wanted to tell you

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all this because I was researching this. And did you know that Sheriff Harry

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Lee's sister was the first Asian Playboy
model centerfold? Now you know? But

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back to the story at hand.
This was a hit job and they were

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gonna investigate it as such. It
wasn't random, this was a planned attack.

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Now I'm gonna have to break this
into two parts because you won't want

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to miss all of the little details
and a little curveball I'm gonna throw your

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way at the end of next episode. Look, when it's all said and

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done, good things take time,
and I don't want to rush and give

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you less than you deserve because honey
dust settles, but I don't