Oct. 21, 2025

Conspiring To Murder

Conspiring To Murder
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Season 8

KJ explores the 1996 murder of Ezekiel Fonseca Jr. in Houston, TX highlighting betrayal by his wife and a young boy.

Timestamps
06:34 A Shocking Carjacking Incident
15:07 The Murder
17:45 The Family Dynamics
21:39 Arrests and Confessions Begin
24:52 Mark's Troubled Background
27:45 The Dangerous Gang Life
32:49 Mark's Connection
38:36 A Cycle of Violence
43:53 The Investigation Unfolds
49:30 Carmen's Involvement Revealed
55:05 The Conspiracy to Murder

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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You're back with another episode of Unspeakable? What is going on?

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I am so excited. I hope you can tell in

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my voice how excited I am because I finally get

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to roll out a huge announcement for everybody, and it's

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that you want more Unspeakable. You're about to get it

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all right, because I've got a highly produced, highly detailed,

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long series that is going to be dropping starting on

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November third, where I do cover the highly requested over

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and over and over again. Derek Toddley, I'm gonna do

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the series on the South Louisiana serial killer. I'm gonna

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go in depth. If you came to my live show.

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There's even that I did on this a while back.

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This is gonna be even more detailed than that live show.

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So you're not gonna be hearing the same thing, and

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I cannot wait to let y'all hear it. It's highly produced,

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it's gonna be different than my regular episodes, and so

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for the very first time, I'm gonna let y'all hear

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the trailer for DTL. Here we go. Take a listen.

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In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper

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secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,

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a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Dereck Todd Lee was

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a man whose charm masked a sinister reality. He was

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a monster. Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile,

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led a double life that would unravel in a series

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of murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and

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the surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and

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murders began to surface, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,

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igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was

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just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer eventually

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known by just three letters, would reveal not only the

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depths of Dereck Todd Lee's depravity, but also the resilience

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of those most affected by his evil acts, the families

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and the survivors. This is DTS. Yeah, so what do

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you think? Do you like it? I've been working so

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hard and as much as you think you know about

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a subject, and I'm telling you I'm well versed in

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his cases. There's always more to learn, there's always more

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people to talk to, there's always more I can do,

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and so I think you're going to really enjoy this.

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And so this is not going to fill up your

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week as far as I'm concerned. Starting November third, you

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will get your DTL episodes on Monday, Then on Tuesday,

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if you're a Patreon member, you'll get your regular episode,

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or Wednesday if you're a regular listener, and that's fine too, right,

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You'll get your regular episode in the week, and then

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on Fridays you get your Crime Wire weekly episodes with Gemini.

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So full week coming, and I'm just so proud and

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ecstatic that we were making these moves. So get ready,

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mark your calendars. November third, it's heading your way. I

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also need to be screaming from right here in the

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studio all the way to San Antonio, Texas to miss Ronda. George,

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how are you, Miss Randa? I hope you see me

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waving at you. Thank you so much. I've loved talking

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with you on Patreon and we've had some really cute conversations,

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and so thank you for supporting the show. You're the

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best and you make the difference. So thank you. All

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right now, I know I just said she was in

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San Antonio, Texas, but we're gonna go right back to Texas,

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but in Houston, Texas for today's episode. Jimothy's doing something

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weird right now, and he's walking over here. I don't

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what are you doing?

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Okay? Can you hear me? Now?

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Yeah?

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I don't have my headphones on. Do I sign? Okay?

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It sound good?

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So do I sound like Elvis?

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Yes?

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Okay? Good? All right, everyone. I have a surprise for

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kJ that she is.

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Looking at me now like she has no idea what

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I'm doing, because she does not.

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I did not tell her about this.

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So she is going to talk to y'all for a

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minute and give me just about thirty seconds to grab something,

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so talk to me.

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Well, hey, I have no idea what he is doing

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right now. He usually won't. Ever nobody interrupts somebody while

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they're podcast And so where are you going?

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This is he's a happy birthday. Oh my god, Unspeakable,

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Happy birthday to Unspeakable. Happy birthday, Kelly, and Unspeakable, Happy

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birthday to you.

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Look, y'all, I can't sing, but.

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I have a cookie cake that has no writing on it,

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because hey, that will require planning.

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I don't do.

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So.

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I had planned on it saying happy birthday and Speakable,

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But y'all, today is exactly three years since Unspeakable started

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episode one.

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So happy birthday to Unspeakable. And I don't even know

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if she likes cookie cake.

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Yes I do. I love it, and thank you so much.

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You're welcome, and I am going back behind the board

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now where.

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I belong, Get back in your corner. Oh my god, no,

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I love cookie cake. And if I come back next

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week and I'm fourteen pounds heavier on camera, we know why.

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Thank you, Jim, Hey, thank y'all. Really a lot, this,

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y'all know, started out as a I don't know what

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a hobby I guess to see how it would go.

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And I never would have imagined three years ago that

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i'd be doing this the way that I'm doing it now.

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So and Jim, thank you, by the way, from my

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heart tears, thank you so much for telling me that

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I could do this when I really didn't think I

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could and I couldn't believe anyone would listen. But here

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we are, y'all, all right, back, here we go. This

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is awesome. So but we're going to go to Texas.

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But we're going to be in Houston, Texas, like I said.

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And it was five days before Christmas in nineteen ninety

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six when an elderly gentleman named Bob Boney, which I

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kind of liked the name. I think it's gonna neat.

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But Bob Boney realized he needed to get some gas.

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We all do this right, Oh my god, I'm low

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on gas. I better pull in and fill up the

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tank before I run out. So he turned his blue

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Cadillac into this nearby convenience store and then he got

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out and started pumping his gas. It was a normal thing.

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It was about nine pm, but it was in a

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well lit area and it wasn't a place that you

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would really worry about as far as filling up the tank.

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So after the pump clicked, it said gold, Hey, you

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got enough gas. He said, well, let me go inside

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and let me pay. So he hung up the pump

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right back into the slot and he went inside to

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pay the clerk. So he and the cashier when he

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got in there, they exchanged some basic niceties, and then

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he headed back out to leave, and he unlocked the door,

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slid into the seat, and he got settled to start

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the car. But as he turned to pull the door shut,

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he was met with a loaded pistol in his face.

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And I'm gonna tell you something. People who have had

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guns pulled on them, whenever they are asked by police

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what kind of gun is it, the standard answer is

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it was a big one. And the reason is because

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if you're watching me a podcast on Patreon right now,

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we can pretend my eyeglass case is a is a gun.

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It's because when someone pulls it and they put it

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in your face, like I'm doing right now with my

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eyeglass case, it looks really really big. Okay, it's a

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scare tactic, obviously, But he turns and this gun is

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in his face, and the man holding the gun very

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pointedly and without any hesitation, said give me the keys

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and get out of the car. Well, Bob's a smart man,

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because he complied. He got right out of the car.

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He put up no fight, and the guy jumped in

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the vehicle and sped away, And just like that, in

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mere seconds, mister Bob stood there with nothing. He was

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lucky to be alive, but everything just drove away that

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he had worked so hard for. So he went inside.

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He reported that carjacking to police, who responded, and the

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story when they got there was absolutely confirmed by a

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witness who was there, saw it happen and was completely

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terrified thinking that that old man was going to be shot.

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So her name was Kim Trujillo, and she watched it

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all go down. She got a really really good look

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at the suspect and she was able to give that

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description to police. But here they were just like any

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other carjacking that goes on in these cities, and they

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had little to go on other than this woman's description.

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But I mean, the suspect she described looked like damn

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near anybody in the area based on the description that

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she gave. So they were going to keep an eye out.

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They were going to be looking for the vehicle. And

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then they put out bolos letting the additional shifts that

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would be coming on. Look y'all be on the lookout

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for this blue Cadillac. It was carjacked. If anything. Right

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now in the story, we can all take a collective

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sigh that mister Bob was okay and that he was

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able to get a safe ride home that night. But

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a few miles away was where Ezekiel Fromseca Junior and

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his wife of twenty five years. Her name was Carmen.

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They had created their life together and they were the

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parents of four children who they proudly passed down their

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Hispanic culture while raising the kiddos in the Sagemont subdivision

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which is right there near Houston. Now. Carmen, the doting mother,

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loved her children and she cared for them at home.

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While Ezekiel, who was known as Big Zeke or just

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Zeke before his children were born, but I'm going to

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refer to him as Big Zeke so we can tell

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the difference. He worked hard to provide for these kids

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and to provide for Carmen. So he was employed at

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Crown Cork and seal in Sugarland where he spent his

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days on the manufacturing floor. And he was referred to

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as Big Zeke because one of his sons was named

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after him, and he was lovingly referred to as Little Zeke.

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And we have this in my own family. There's Big

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Jerry and Little Jerry, and we know the difference. And

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it was almost Christmas time as this story begins to unfold,

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and the stores are booming with sales for the holidays.

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It was cold outside and that joy in the air

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was palpable. Even those that were working outside doing these

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construction jobs, they were getting excited too, and that included

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Johnny Mendoza and all of his workers and his construction

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crew because they were working on a portion of the

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Texas eight Beltway, but they were looking forward to their

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upcoming time off. They were excited to get some well

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needed days of rest and relaxation for the holiday. When

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they started their early morning routine for the day, there

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was some work to be done in that area. Thus

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they realized pretty quickly that there was a vehicle that

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looked to have wrecked in the early morning hours of

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December twenty second, but it was still on the roadway,

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so they went to investigate, although they hadn't heard a

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crash or anything like that, so they went to go

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kind of see, well, what's going on with this vehicle,

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And as they got closer, they observed a white Lincoln

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town Car and was up alongside a concrete barrier on

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the side of the roadway. The vehicle wasn't severely crashed,

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so it wasn't initially apparent if it had actually crashed

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or if it was just parked there or ran out

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of gas or something along those lines. But even if

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it had broken down, the driver's side door seemed really

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close to the concrete barrier. The front bumper did have

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some damage to it, but also as the workers walked up,

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it became pretty obvious that there were bullet holes down

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the side of the car. Luckily, though, as they approached,

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there was no one inside of it, but that was

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until they got up on it and looked inside and

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then realized that there was an adult male inside the

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car and he was slumped over the console with blood everywhere.

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The air bag had deployed and there was blood all

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over the air bag as well as the interior of

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the car. This had been a very very brutal incident

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that had taken place. So the workers ran to call police,

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who arrived on scene, as well as an ambulance that

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was called for the gentleman. So the EMTs jumped out,

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they ran up, they were going to start rendering aid,

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but they very quickly realized that this guy was beyond help.

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The man had actually been dead for a while. His

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left hand was dangling down from his maroon coat, and

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his gold watch was still on his wrist. His body

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was slumped over to his right and kind of leaning

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over the center console. The airbags were deployed, like I said,

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and there was a lot of blood in this car,

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more than what you would expect for this crash of

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this level, and an air bag just deploying. So the

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medical examiner is going to be called in obviously, and

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are the coroner's office, and police and detectives get there,

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and they realized that he had gunshot wounds all throughout him.

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He had them in his head, they were in his chest,

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and then there were bullet casings strown about the ground

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right there nearby. So this told investigators that the man

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was lying right where he had been shot, or at

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least nearby, because it looked as though the vehicle may

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have continued to roll to where it had its final stop,

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and that murder weapon, based on those casings, was a

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nine to milimeter So, in an attempt to idea the victim,

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officers looked for his wallet, but they realized that was

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missing too. So what an odd combination of events because

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this looked to be a drive by but also a robbery.

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Those two don't typically go together. That's just not the

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norm a drive by shooting, and we all know about

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these to some extent. Those are usually done for retaliation,

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you know, turf wars for gangs, but not precursors to

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robbery on a highway. That's just not how this usually goes.

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I mean, the shooters in a drive by, they want

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to shoot quickly and then keep moving. That's the purpose

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of the drive by. If not, it's called a stop

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and shoot and rob you know. So it just wasn't fitting.

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They would be able to run the plates and check

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their registration though, and make an ID, but before that

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would happen, a woman would come upon the scene and

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jump out of her car, running towards the police and

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not wanting them to interfere with their investigation. Or get

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up in the middle of a crime scene. They're like, wow, wow,

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whow back up, what are you doing? What are you doing?

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But she's like, no, no, no, no, no. My name

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is Carmen Fonseka. My name is Carmen. That is my

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husband's car. So when she says this, they're like, oh, okay,

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hold on, and they're more obliged to wanting to talk

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to her. So she obviously didn't know that he was

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still inside of the vehicle, and so she explained to investigators, Look,

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my husband didn't return home last night, and that's not

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normal for him. So you know, here's his car. Where

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is he?

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You know?

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So while this wasn't normal that he didn't come home,

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she was even more alarmed when a coworker of his

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named Philip ol mixin as, how I believe you would

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pronounce that. But Philip had called the house asking, look,

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is is your husband coming to work because he hasn't

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shown up this morning. That was the very morning that

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they found the body. So she then confirmed her husband's

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name was Ezekiel Fonseka Junior, and freaking out, she had

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jumped in her car and she was driving along the

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route that she knew he normally took to see if

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she could find him. She said, I thought he might

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have broken down or run out of gas or something

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along those lines. But she never could have imagined that

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she would find him, or she didn't know it was him,

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but find his car and it be considered in the

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middle of a crime scene. And this was more than

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just a random shot or a stray bullet too, if

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that was even going to be considered an investigator's mind,

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because he was absolutely, without question, the intended target of

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this shooting. So Ezekiel had been shot at least seven times.

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The bullets had struck him in the head, in the torso,

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and in the neck, and in very rapid succession, he

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never stood a chance. Once that trigger was pulled by

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whomever was behind it, they unloaded and those bullets, a

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lot of them made contact with what they wanted. So

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understanding what she now had just driven up to, Carmen

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was horrified. She was beside herself, but she agreed, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I'm gonna come back and accompany the police to the

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station to talk more, because this just wasn't the place,

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the best place for her to be. While she's talking

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to the police, I'm sure we can all imagine. So

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gathering more information about their family life, police did realize

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that there were struggles in the marriage, but this was

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nothing outside of any dysfunction that over half of the

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population is living through today. It was nothing completely and

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totally wild, I guess, as you would possibly call it.

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So as far as who was in the home, police

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wanted to know, Okay, let's first identify who all is

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in your home and let's get some groundwork about Big

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Zeke's life. She said, we have four children, and I'd

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already mentioned that to you, and that the relationship between

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her kids and their father was also a typical relationship.

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His namesake, Little Zeke had his fair share of trouble

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with the law, but not he was He wasn't one

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that would have anything to do with his father's murder. Okay,

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so you know, she protected her son. She loves her son.

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But even if he was a little badass, he wasn't

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a badass towards his dad. So Little Zeke at this

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point was a younger teenager, and he also had a

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friend that was like family that lived with them. I'm

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not gonna say full time, but he was one of

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those kind of kids that was always at their house

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and his name was Mark. He stayed over a lot.

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But like I said, he wasn't blood family or anything

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like that. But as far as enemies or anyone inside

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the home that would have had a vendetta against Big Zeke,

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absolutely not. She had no clue. And this is almost

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seeming random, although it doesn't to investigators feel that way. So,

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allowing Carmen to now absorb the confirmation that her husband

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had been murdered, she was given room to grieve as

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the detectives continued to work the case. So some three

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days would pass when a blue Cadillac in Angleton committed

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a traffic violation and an officer pulled over that vehicle.

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Now what would have been a rather non serious stop

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to begin with suddenly turned completely chaotic. The car sped

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away and the officer had to start chase this with

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this car, and he chased for ten blocks. I mean,

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this wasn't like it was, you know, they just shot

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off a little bit or whatever. This was ten block chase.

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So when everybody ran and they spread out, they left

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the car. And so obviously a search of this car

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was going to be done. And as you're probably guessing

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because you've been a true crime fan for a long time.

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This was the blue Cadillac of mister Bob's from that

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car jacking just days prior, and so no wonder all

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these morons took off running. Well, during that search of

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the car, thirteen rounds of nine millimeter ammunition was recovered,

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so in and of itself, all right, whatever they found

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bullets in a stolen car, shocker said, no one ever,

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but they take the car, the guys get away, but

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the female is detained. Well, another three days would pass

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when Angleton police officer Richard de Leon induced a traffic

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stop on a red Saturn for another traffic violation. So

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when he approached the vehicle, the driver was a teenager,

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and at first this teenager tried to run away, but

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this time this officer gave chase and was able to

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tackle him and take him down, so he was The

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suspect was handcuffed and he was identified as Mark Sam Arthur. Now,

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during a search incidental to this arrest, a black nine

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millimeter glock was found in the console. So obviously I

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shouldn't even have to explain this. But a kid had

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no good nor legal reason to be in possession of

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this weapon, not to mention that the vehicle he was

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in command of was also, drum roll please, a stolen vehicle.

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So he was taken into custody and police had some

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questions for him. So to be clear, this is the

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same Mark that little Zeke was close, families friends with.

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And I told y'all little Zeke was a little badass too. Well,

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it's no shocker that the people he was running with

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kind of you know, birds of a feather locked together.

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And I know when we're close to people, we sometimes

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don't readily put out to the masses their problems. Okay,

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well this was the case for little Zeke's friend Mark.

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The Fansekahs loved him. They accepted him into their home,

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and being completely frank with you, you and I would

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probably have known better than to let our kid hang

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out with this boy. But they're friends. And why do

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I say this? Is it because I'm mean and I'm judgmental. No,

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it's because it's the fucking truth. It hurts. But here's

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a little background on Mark. He wasn't someone that we

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would want our kids hanging out with, unless your teen

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boy probably did the same shit, And that's kind of

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the gist that I got here. So Mark and little

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Zeke became friends when they were about fourteen years old,

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and they were now seventeen, so they'd been buds for

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a while. And Mark had family that was in Mexico.

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He also had grown up in Chicago, but he was

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now home based in Texas. And his complete heritage I

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don't know, because he never met his dad. He never

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knew who his dad was. What I can tell you

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is that his mother was Mexican Indian and she was

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a single mom, a beautiful woman, and she just seemed

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to struggle with her man choices. There seemed to be

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a lot of revolving doors of new relationships starting and ending,

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and Mark was there along for the ride that said

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she did finally meet and marry a man worth his salt.

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This guy's name was Homer Milburn, and Mark took to

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him and considered him to be his father. Homer was

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the first one to look Mark in his face and say,

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look here, little boy, you need to get your shit together.

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What you're doing ain't gonna work. You've got to be

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a good man. You need to start treating your mom right.

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Quite frankly, you need to show a little damn respect

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all right, So he was harsh with Mark, not that

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he didn't beat him or stuff like that, but he

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was pretty strong with him because Mark was just being

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a teenage thug and ass had and he was continually

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making bad decisions. Ungovernable would be the term that we

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might would use legally about how Mark was behaving. Well,

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when mister Homer really built up Mom and showed Mom

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that she could do this and that he was going

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to take care of her, they came forward on a

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united front and they wanted rules, and they wanted those

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rules enforced in this home. Well, guess what. Mark obviously

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didn't like that. And the thing was, before mister Homer

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came into his life, Mark did not feel that he

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was had love or acceptance with these other men that

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his mother was dating. Okay, so what did he do

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to kind of fill that void? Well, he went and

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did what a lot of young people do. He went

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searching for love and acceptance, male acceptance specifically elsewhere, and

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he found all that he needed in the Maniac Disciple Nation,

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which is a gang that branches off of the Folks Alliance.

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If you know about gangs, you know what I'm talking

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about If not, maybe I can do a further episode

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on that. What do you think? Hey, how about this?

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Y'all message me on Patreon. I'll put out a little

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questionnaire here. But do y'all want to know about gangs?

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Would y'all like would you be interested in some episodes

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explaining those? Because I love I love learning about gangs.

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I've done a lot of research on them and I

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got a lot to share if you want it. But

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I don't want to bore you. But Mark's explanation of

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why he loved his gang was because he claimed that

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the gang had purpose. This gang wanted growth and betterment

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for their community. His exact words were one love one hate,

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you mess with one, you mess with all. Well, that

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sounds real warm and gooey inside, doesn't it. Don't you

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just feel like we all should run out and become

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Maniac disciples. Okay, no we don't, because if you aren't

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with that brotherhood. Here's what a gang intelligence unit from

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the Department of Justice would explain to you about that gang.

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It's a young Latino organization and it did originate in

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Chicago in the sixties. Right now, as we speak, we

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do have active members across the US, but specifically in

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six major states, but I say major states larger states.

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Most members are going to be Puerto Rican males, and

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00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.039
they are going to focus on the street level distribution

465
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:43.960
of cocaine, heroin, marijuana PCP. That's basically the goals and

466
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.359
the inner workings of what this gang does for income.

467
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:52.200
But they also are very very active in criminal additional

468
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.400
criminal activity, but more violent because they are known for

469
00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:01.240
assaults and auto thefts, carjackings, drive by shootings, home invasions, murder,

470
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.920
money laundering, and weapons trafficking. So you're a freethinker, I

471
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.119
hope listening to this, and so I'm gonna let you

472
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.880
decide whose information you choose to believe. You can think

473
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.559
of Mark's description of the gang, or you can choose

474
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.720
the Department of Justice. But you decide because you're a

475
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.519
free person and you're a freethinker. So Mark also was

476
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.240
talking to the police and was like, look, dude, I'm

477
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.400
not into drugs. I don't do drinking. And he said,

478
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:34.319
I'm not necessarily super athletically talented either, And so he

479
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:39.039
had to find a way to establish his value, I

480
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.839
guess to himself, but also to the streets. And so

481
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.680
the way that he chose to do. That was that, look,

482
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.839
I may not be good at basketball, I may not

483
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.519
be a huge guy, and I may not want to

484
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.119
do drugs, but I like to fight. So that was

485
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:58.079
his chosen method method of establishing his dominance amongst his peers. Now,

486
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.480
he had a good friend who she was a little

487
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:07.119
bit older than him, and her name was Nicole Andrews. Now,

488
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.119
listen to me here, I'm gonna say allegedly right now,

489
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.119
everyone hear me say this allegedly because I'm not convinced

490
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:20.319
that that's her real name. Because he had a friend

491
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:26.720
I found in some legal documents named Tracy Goodman. Follow me.

492
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:33.359
He met this quote unquote Nicole Andrews in January of

493
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.359
nineteen ninety three, when he was fourteen years old and

494
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:42.039
she was eighteen. When I first learned this, that kind

495
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.880
of was like, hmm, why would an eighteen year old

496
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.359
female be willing to hang out with a fourteen year

497
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.519
old male. That seems a bit of a gap there,

498
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.400
and you have so much different you have different goals

499
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.599
at fourteen versus eighteen. But what it seemed to be

500
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:03.559
was that he tagged along with older people and his

501
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.519
goal here was to be accepted amongst these older people.

502
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.559
That made him cool. He had a super tough guy attitude.

503
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.960
He always was bragging to these people about being in

504
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.079
a gang, and they had hung out for about eight

505
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.039
months or so, but then she ended up moving away.

506
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.279
So he believed that he was his tough, hard thug

507
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.880
you guy. But for the older crowd looking at him,

508
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.680
they kind of laughed at him a little bit. They

509
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.720
thought it was a bit much and that he was

510
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.720
just trying to put off more than he really was.

511
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.559
The reality, though, was that he was a problematic team.

512
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.880
So when the police questioned him about the stolen vehicle

513
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.039
and this gun he was in possession of, he just

514
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.319
couldn't shut up. He just could not shut up. He

515
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.480
was proud of all of his accomplishments. He called it

516
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.319
his machismo chest out. I'll tell you about all of it,

517
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.960
and he wanted to talk. Man, he wanted to talk

518
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.359
about all of his accomplishments. So he would talk about

519
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.759
you know, they would. He ran the streets. He liked

520
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.720
to fight chase girls with his best friend, Little Zeke,

521
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.519
and both of them, he said, were in the Maniac's

522
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.640
Disciple gang. They like to burglarize cars. They like to

523
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.200
rob people in their houses and the police are like, wow, man,

524
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.160
this is so cool. Let me get out my cool

525
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.119
people notebook and write your name in it. And they're like, whatever,

526
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.440
you punk ass kid, Click click, you're going to jail.

527
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:35.119
But that's when the police from the area of the

528
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.519
original carjacking of mister Bob they showed up at this

529
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.519
jail too, because they had been looking for him in

530
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.119
that case and they wanted to have a word with him.

531
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.839
So as all of this is going down, another bit

532
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.759
of information would hit the detective's desk. There had been

533
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.839
a shooting that Mark was involved in. And no, I'm

534
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.039
not even talking about Big Zeke's shooting. But this is

535
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:10.279
an interesting tie nonetheless, And I love learning about investigations

536
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.279
and how they take all these random puzzle pieces scattered

537
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.279
everywhere and they're able just to kind of place them together.

538
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.200
So follow me here. In December of nineteen ninety six,

539
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.079
Mark and another friend. This guy's name is Mason Hughes.

540
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.519
They were both sixteen at the time. They were also

541
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.400
both on the run from the law. Because it turns

542
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.359
out they were hanging out together on the porch of

543
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.319
that friend who I'm now going to refer to as

544
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.799
Tracy Goodman. When they're hanging out on this porch and

545
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.039
another car pulls up to that house, so Mark either

546
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.599
approaches the car or the guy got out of the car.

547
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.400
I'm not sure which direction it went. But Mark and

548
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.599
that man whose name would be referred to as TJ. Gooseman,

549
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.960
they began talking. But that talk started to escalate for real,

550
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.920
unknown to me, And I want to tell my listeners

551
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.519
it's not because of lack of trying. It's because remember

552
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.079
he's sixteen years old at this time. That's a juvenile incident,

553
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.519
and juvenile records are typically sealed. So either way, this

554
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.440
argument is escalating. And whatever the case, Mark pulled out

555
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.039
a nine millimeter and he began shooting at TJ. Guzman

556
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.039
And they'd probably say Guzman, So shout out if I'm

557
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.799
saying that without the right dialect. But after pulling the

558
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:34.279
trigger BA and unloading on this dude, he tore off running,

559
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.799
but he had really nowhere to go. Mark was on

560
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.440
the lamb. Now he knew he had just shot up

561
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.400
this guy, and so he needed a place to lay low.

562
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.160
Well in that incident, that place that he went was

563
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:53.200
none other than Lil Zeke's house. So Miss Carmon Lil

564
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.880
Zeke's mom, Big Zeke's wife. Right, She wasn't one that

565
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.839
would really tell on the kids. And I mean, I

566
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.799
can look down my nose and I can say that's

567
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.119
really really bad parenting, because I do think it's bad parenting,

568
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:11.480
but it's just the way that it was. She wasn't

569
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.319
gonna go out and call the police and say, oh

570
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.240
my god, this boy shot up a house, you know whatever,

571
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.960
he's staying at my house. No, she wasn't gonna tell

572
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.519
him the kids, and since it was really really cold outside,

573
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.400
she convinced Big Zeke to let the boy stay at

574
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:30.240
her house, at their house. So as crazy as that sounds,

575
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.519
really think about this. The boys were honest with her

576
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.720
that he had just shot someone, shot at someone multiple times,

577
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.680
pulled the trigger. But she still protected them because she

578
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.440
didn't really divulge all of that to Big Zke, and

579
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.400
she was able to convince him just let him stay

580
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.319
because it's cold outside. That gun used to shoot at

581
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.519
Guzman that may have been the same gun that was

582
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.359
confiscated from the traffic stop whenever he tried to run

583
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.599
away in that red Saturn you're following me, So police

584
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.000
would take that glock and they were gonna run ballistics

585
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.880
on it. So when the report came back, the answer was, yes,

586
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.440
that was the same gun used in the Guzman shooting.

587
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:21.320
But it was also the same weapon used in Big

588
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.960
Zeke's murder. This was the very gun Mark was in

589
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.800
possession of, the very gun used to kill his best

590
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:37.039
friend's dad. Police weren't necessarily expecting that in terms of

591
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.920
social structure, but I guess badasses are going to be badasses.

592
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.440
It's not that much of a shocker that the gun

593
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.880
was used to kill his best friend's dad. But Mark

594
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.719
now had some explaining to do, so talking again with police,

595
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.480
their main goal was to determine just because Mark was

596
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.639
in possession of the gun at that moment it was

597
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:58.920
confiscated from him, that doesn't mean that he had the

598
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.599
gun the whole time, because illegal weapons get traded and

599
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.559
sold and bought all the time. So who had the

600
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.360
gun and in what time frames did they have possession

601
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.159
of the gun? And remember they're all in this same

602
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:15.719
gang getting these weapons. Was it passed around amongst youth

603
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.719
or was it solely in Mark's possession? They needed to

604
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.280
ask Mark because he had the gun directly at that time.

605
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.760
And his answer was pretty crazy because they said, did

606
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.280
you have the gun at the time that Big Zeke

607
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.599
was killed? And he looked him in the face and said, yes,

608
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:39.519
I had it. So you had the gun that killed

609
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.599
your best friend's dad. He said, yeah, it was in

610
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.599
my possession, and it was in my possession when it

611
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:53.440
happened too, basically saying I killed him. But with that revelation,

612
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.440
now there's a million more questions. But he would explain

613
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:02.039
that all wasn't as it seemed. See through the years,

614
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.199
Carmen had become like a mom to Mark after he

615
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.800
had stayed away from his own home. Remember when his

616
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.000
stepdad Homer came in, they started laying down the rules

617
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.960
of behavior and Mark didn't want to follow suit, so

618
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.960
he went and stayed more and more and more at

619
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.199
little Zeke's house and Missus Carmen became like a mother

620
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.920
to him, a mother figure. So Carmen knew that the

621
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.880
boys were getting into trouble, but like I told you,

622
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.519
she would protect them. She wouldn't run and tell the dad,

623
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.559
Big Zeke what was going on. And I find that

624
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.199
to be such a problem. If two parents are not

625
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:46.039
on a united front on kids. Then these teenagers specifically,

626
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.079
they'll figure that out. They will sniff that out in

627
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.960
a heartbeat that they can. You know, these parents have

628
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:56.039
different goals or whatever for them, so she wouldn't tell

629
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.000
Big Zeke if they had got arrested or whatever the

630
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.480
case might be, and so do these teenagers. This equaled

631
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:08.480
love and loyalty. But this also made a perfect home

632
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.960
for kids who are always in trouble. When your mother

633
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.280
and mother like figure looks at you and doesn't hold

634
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.000
you accountable for your actions, I hope we all can

635
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:23.880
agree that that's probably not good. Teenagers need mothers, Teenagers

636
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:28.000
don't need best friends in a forty something year old's body.

637
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:33.400
But eventually trouble would catch up with Little Zeke. He

638
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.760
would be arrested on a completely different incident, but he

639
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.000
was then going to be sent off to juvie for

640
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.280
a long while. So during that time, because Mark and

641
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.320
Little Zeke were homeboys, Mark understood it to be his

642
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.599
job to take care of Miss Carmen, to check in

643
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.679
on her and do all that kind of stuff while

644
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.800
her boy was doing time. That's what homeboys do, right.

645
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.239
We take care of each other, and we take care

646
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.360
of each other's families. So he explained that he went

647
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:04.559
by to check up on her one day and when

648
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.719
she came to the door, he was shocked to see

649
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.719
that all well was not that all was not well

650
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.599
on the home front because Big Zeke had beaten the

651
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:21.159
shit out of miss Carmen. So he told police, They're like,

652
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.480
all right, what do you mean beat the shit out

653
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.280
of her? What would happen? And he says, look, she

654
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.960
came to the door, she had black eyes, she had

655
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.719
chunks of her hair missing from her head. He had

656
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.360
burned her with a curling iron. I mean, it was very,

657
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.039
very brutal domestic violence. And he said. He became instantly enraged,

658
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.079
and he said, miss Carmen, who did this to you?

659
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.440
Who did this to you? And Carmen, you know she's

660
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.519
a small, small little lady, and she looks at him

661
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.519
and she sheepishly admitted it was mister Zeke. It was

662
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.079
a big Zeke. So as a result of that day,

663
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.960
Mark got it in his mind that he needed to

664
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:06.719
equal the playing field, so shortly thereafter, he jumped Big

665
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.320
Zeke and he beat the hell out of him. How

666
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.119
do you like it, man? Huh? How does it feel

667
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.360
to have your ass beat. Over your beating on a woman.

668
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.440
The fuck is wrong with you. Well after the fight,

669
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.480
Mark figured that they were square. It was like one

670
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.760
of those eye for an eye street justice type things.

671
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.880
You're gonna beat on a woman, You're gonna get your

672
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:31.360
ass beat. But later on Mark said that he got

673
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.280
a phone call from big Zeke and big Zeke was

674
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.920
threatening him, telling him, I'm gonna kill you. You little fucker.

675
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.119
Think you're gonna jump me. Your ass is mine, and

676
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.360
so that got him scared. He started saying, look, this

677
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.119
man was gonna come kill me for real. So two

678
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:53.639
weeks after that threat by phone, Mark decided he was

679
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.880
gonna get big Zeke before big Zeke could get Helm.

680
00:39:58.039 --> 00:39:59.519
Of course, he was gonna have to do this the

681
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.400
cowardly though, that's the only option, and he decided that

682
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.159
he was going to do a drive by. He knew

683
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.360
where big Zeke worked, he knew about what time he

684
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.639
would get off, and so his idea was that he

685
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.320
was going to go lie and wait and whenever he

686
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.960
saw the car pass, he got in behind him and

687
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.559
he wanted to be sure that it was him. Though

688
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.119
he didn't want to go shoot up the wrong car,

689
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:28.119
and so he drove up beside him, and whenever he

690
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.960
drove up. At one point there was a sunroof or

691
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.920
a moonroof whatever in the car that big Zeke was driving,

692
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.440
and the light came through and it shone through the

693
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.800
sunroof and for a moment it lit up the face

694
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.920
and he knew he had his target. And he said,

695
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.440
that's whenever I pulled up beside him, and then I

696
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:49.719
started unloading the gun into Ezekiel Fonseka. He had him

697
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.280
multiple times, and then out of reaction he said, I

698
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.119
just sped up to get away. The issue here was

699
00:40:58.119 --> 00:40:59.920
that number one, number one, he was shooting at someone,

700
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.079
trying to murder them. But also big Zeke was bleeding

701
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:10.079
out rapidly, so he slumped over, unable to breathe effectively.

702
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.840
In essence, he's been shot multiple times. He doesn't know

703
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:14.880
who is shooting at him, so out of just sheer

704
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.440
reaction and adrenaline, he punched the gas. He's trying to

705
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.079
get away, but he's now bleeding out profusely. All he's

706
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.960
been shot through the neck, through the chest, and through

707
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.039
the head. He is in dire straits. But that car

708
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:32.639
kept driving well. Mark sped away and the vehicle that

709
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.519
mister Fonseka was driving crashed into those concrete barriers, causing

710
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:41.800
the airbags to deploy and further injuring the already dying man.

711
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.519
And then the car rolled to a stop where it remained.

712
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.920
And that's when Mark had already callously driven away, leaving

713
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:57.599
him there to die alone. And I just think about,

714
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.760
do you all when y'allt to listen to these stories,

715
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.440
do you are you like me? Because I build a

716
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.599
picture of people in my mind, And and mister Zeke,

717
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:14.159
for some reason, reminds me of a student of mine's dad.

718
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.440
Her name's Jalen. Shout out Jalen, my beautiful girl, and

719
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.760
her dad is they're Hispanic, and her dad just I

720
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.880
thought of him in this instance. Her dad is always

721
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.440
dressed to the nines. He always has the best cologne on,

722
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.760
his hair, is always groomed and in place. And he's

723
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.960
a good man and he's a hard worker. And when

724
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.559
I think about someone so that I can humanize it,

725
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.599
you know, I think about someone doing that to a

726
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:47.480
man like that, to know that he was terrified and

727
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.360
that that car was just he's trying to speed away

728
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.079
and then he gets in a car crash and he's

729
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.079
laying there and he knows he needs help and there's

730
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.719
nothing he can do but slump over and bleed out alone.

731
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:07.679
It is the most drive by is not enough for

732
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.599
what this victim went through. For the news to say

733
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.400
a drive by shooting occurred on the Beltway, one man

734
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:19.000
was found dead, that's not what happened. This was predatory,

735
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.159
This was horrific, and it was a monstrous end to

736
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.119
someone's life. So where did Mark go after he shot

737
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.000
up this man? Well, he went to a girlfriend's house

738
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:35.639
because he needed to lay low. And this was a

739
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.400
great story and all when Mark explained this all to them,

740
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.920
but police took issue with a few facts from the

741
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.599
actual scene. So Mark, man, look, thank you so much

742
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.119
for giving us this full admission of what happened. You're

743
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.320
really making our job easy. But we have a couple

744
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.199
questions for you where the scene actually is. Because I've

745
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.159
said this before, I believe it with my soul. Crime

746
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.880
scenes speak to you. That's why I like looking at

747
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.960
crime scene photos. It tells me a story that nobody

748
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.920
could really explain to me. A picture's worth a thousand words.

749
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.960
So number one question was how did you drive by

750
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.320
and actually shoot with such accuracy, Like, how did you

751
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.400
have your eyes on the road in traffic and shoot

752
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:26.480
with such great accuracy? I just did it? Man? Is

753
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:26.960
that good?

754
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:28.559
Okay?

755
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.639
Well, then the next question we have is then why

756
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.400
were there bullet casings that were very very close to

757
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.719
the car. Because if you've never shot a pistol before,

758
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.400
it's real simple. Your point and you pull the trigger.

759
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:48.280
But the chamber where the where the round comes out, okay,

760
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.599
the ejection port, it's gonna come back out. So the

761
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.480
spent the bullet goes out of the gun, but the

762
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.599
casing that the bullet is in is going to be

763
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.239
ejected out of the ejection port, and it's going to

764
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.840
be shot up and over your right shoulder. So if

765
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.039
you were in the car shooting him, where would those

766
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:12.079
casings land in the car or from the distance as

767
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.760
you were traveling shooting the gun. But some of these

768
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.840
casings were right outside of the car of Big Zeke.

769
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.320
It doesn't make sense, and science does. It just doesn't

770
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.880
work that way. So there wasn't quite an answer to

771
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.119
that question. And then the next question was do you

772
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.360
have any reason to know why Big Zeke's wallet was missing?

773
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.440
But he didn't really know anything about that, And so

774
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.239
some question I have this wasn't necessarily one that the

775
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.559
police had. They may have asked it, but something I

776
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.559
had was I sat back on this and I said,

777
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:50.800
hold on a damn second, Why would you think someone

778
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.280
that you already beat the brakes off of you weren't

779
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.840
afraid to approach him then and just manned a man

780
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.199
beat him up. Why would you think that he'd be

781
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.599
able to kill you now all of a sudden, so

782
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.519
you beat him up, but now you fear for your life.

783
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.239
And just the egotistical way that this teenage guy Mark

784
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.119
would talk, it just didn't seem to drive for me personally,

785
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:20.119
it just didn't ring true. So they're asking these questions,

786
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.239
they're trying to really get the answers here, and they

787
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:27.639
wouldn't quite get their answers to those questions. So when

788
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.119
Carmen was advised listen, I hate to have to break

789
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.960
this news to you, but your own son's best friend

790
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.719
is who murdered your husband, she was shocked. I mean,

791
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.360
how could this even be true. I let him in

792
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.800
my home, you know, I cared for him, I fed him,

793
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.519
I loved him like my own and we put a

794
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.800
roof over his head. We took care of him. There's

795
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.280
no way did he really kill him? And they're like, look,

796
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.599
it's it's true. We know for a fact he admitted it.

797
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.119
But for her to think that he was capable of

798
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.880
killing someone like them, the people who cared for him,

799
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:11.079
that was just too much. But she did also tell

800
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:17.480
the police that Mark was right about one thing. She said,

801
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.599
big Zeke had been abusing me. This wasn't anything new.

802
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.639
So maybe Mark took that truth just too personal. And

803
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.880
he was just young and a dumb kid, and you know,

804
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.559
I was being beaten, and maybe it seems like he

805
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.159
thought it was the right thing to do to go

806
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.920
get even you know, young people are impressionable, they make

807
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.960
rash decisions. But I just can't imagine he would take

808
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:46.480
it that far. So when police addressed the disbelief that

809
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.079
he drove himself to the drive by, all right, so

810
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.760
back talking to Mark, that's when he finally cracked and

811
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.199
he said, all right, look I had an accomplice. You're right, okay, fine,

812
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.159
And he I did that accomplice as Mason hughes, that

813
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.440
other boy that he was hanging out with, He says

814
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.400
he was the getaway driver. He held the car steady

815
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.079
while I shot all of those shots into the unsuspecting

816
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:14.880
mister Fonseka. So obviously police want to go now have

817
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:20.119
a word with Mason. Who Mason is just not a

818
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.480
name for a thug. I'm sorry, I just I would

819
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.159
hate to be named Mason Hughes and go to prison.

820
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.440
That's all I'm saying. But anyway, so police went to

821
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.519
go talk with Mason, who, look, he admitted his role

822
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:36.719
in driving in the murder, but he swore two things.

823
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.679
He said, I didn't know that this was going to

824
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:42.599
go the way that it was that it went. But

825
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.239
he said I never robbed that man because remember the

826
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.360
wallet was gone. He said, absolutely not. He said, we

827
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.599
drove up Mason did shoot at him, and then he

828
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.559
said we never stopped the car. We never got any

829
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.199
closer from the driving vehicle. He said, he shot, I

830
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.480
drove away. He said, I'm telling you that I was there.

831
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.840
I did participate, but we did not rob that man,

832
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.559
and we didn't even stop the car. No frickin' way.

833
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.320
But police are adamant, y'all, the scene tells a story

834
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.119
and it did not align with what the scene was showing.

835
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.199
So on January the sixteenth, Carmen was brought back into

836
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.079
police and they were gonna have they were gonna talk again,

837
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.760
and she was the one closest with the boys and

838
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.440
the one who was being abused by her husband, and

839
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:35.480
now he had ended up dead. So, as you can imagine,

840
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.440
we need to talk to you a little bit more

841
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.920
because you know, you're a victim in this in so

842
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.639
many ways. They also had something that they wanted to

843
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.360
ask her about, because phone records also showed that she

844
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.400
was the last one to speak with her husband before

845
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.880
he was murdered. And you know what was that about?

846
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.639
She said, oh, absolutely, yes, I talked to him. He

847
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.199
would always call me on his way home from work,

848
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:06.519
and so he called me and said, hey, i'm leaving work.

849
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.000
I'll be there shortly. She said that, of course, yes,

850
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:16.719
what's your point? Well, our point is that, why then

851
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:22.639
did you immediately hang up with him and then call

852
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.320
this number? Who is this number? This looks like it

853
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:31.800
goes to a pager And she was surprised by that question.

854
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:38.079
She said, oh, yeah, well I paged Mark. Okay, so

855
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.559
your husband calls you and says he's leaving work, and

856
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:46.639
then you page the boy who then kills him. Shortly thereafter,

857
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.239
Are we missing something here? And she said yeah, but

858
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.320
there wasn't like a real reason. I mean, he was

859
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.920
staying here on and off and this was this was commonplace.

860
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.719
I paged him because I need to to him, like

861
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.199
to just talk. I mean, I don't know exactly what

862
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.440
we said, but that's that's all. That was okay, and

863
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.400
that was true. There was there was communication to that pager.

864
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.599
All right, Well, then we just have another question for you,

865
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.800
and it's gonna have to do with life insurance. Do

866
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.800
you have a policy on him? And yes she did,

867
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.199
and it was two hundred and twenty thousand dollars worth

868
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.639
of policy and that's certainly a lot of cash. And

869
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.760
so this is that fine line that you tread in

870
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:38.840
an investigation of Carmen's a victim. Her husband has been murdered,

871
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:41.119
and you don't want to point the finger that she

872
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:42.960
may have been involved in this, but there is there's

873
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:44.480
a lot of things you gotta admit that kind of

874
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:48.360
look squirrely and they have to be explained away. So

875
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.039
after a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure is applied.

876
00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:03.039
Carmen did say, okay, look, in conversation in the past,

877
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.639
I have confided in the boys that big Zeke was

878
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.679
problematic in my life. Okay, no one wants to be abused.

879
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.719
They can see the abuse. Yes, I said that he

880
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.880
was not a good husband. Yes, I said all of

881
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.400
these things, but it's true. Well, more interviews with Mark

882
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:28.960
would bring to investigators' attention that after the time when

883
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.119
big Zeke was murdered, Mark said that he met up

884
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:38.239
with Carmen at a gas station like like the same night.

885
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:44.559
And knowing that Mark admitted to shooting Zeke, this is

886
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.760
kind of interesting, okay, So they asked her, okay, well,

887
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.639
or they asked, excuse me, rather, why did y'all meet

888
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.360
up at a gas station the same night that he

889
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.760
was murdered? And he the kid, you know, Mark goes, oh,

890
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.599
I had to give Carmen his wallet. I hang on second, well, well,

891
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.960
what lollo, I thought you said y'all just drove off

892
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.920
after the drive by. Why also, would she think you

893
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:14.039
had his wallet? So he says, oh, oh, oh, okay,

894
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.480
all right, well all right after the drive by, and

895
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:18.800
by the way, I'm going to give you a time

896
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:25.400
from here. Six hours after the drive by, Mark went

897
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:30.480
and drove by the car again, but this time he

898
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.599
was alone when he went in and drove back to

899
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.519
the crime scene. He got out and he said he

900
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.800
walked up on big Zeke and something I read said

901
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.440
that he heard a squeaking noise like he was making

902
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.000
a big Zeke was not quite dead or his body

903
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.760
was at least making some kind of squeaking noises. And

904
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.239
so he pulled out the gun and he unloaded in

905
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:59.239
him again at close range. So this answered that question

906
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.559
of why the casings the police were right. The casings

907
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.400
were right there because someone had shot him at close range.

908
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.599
But it was six hours later he shot at this man.

909
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.760
That man laid there bleeding out suffering. No one really

910
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.440
noticed him because it was through the night. It just

911
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.719
looked like a car pulled over because his body was slumped.

912
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.280
And then this bastard goes back six hours later and

913
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:28.000
shoots at him again. And then he explained that he

914
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.880
then opened the door, he pushed up on Zeke big Zeke,

915
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.519
he rolled him over a little bit, and that's so

916
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.280
he could pull out his wallet. Bingo. Mason was telling

917
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.360
the truth the whole time. They didn't stop. When he

918
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.519
was the getaway driver, Mark went back rolled him over

919
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.440
and got his wallet and after Mark emptied the wallet

920
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.199
and took out all the contents, he threw it out,

921
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.360
and investigators were able to confirm that he was telling

922
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.000
the truth because he showed them where he threw that wallet.

923
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.519
But now he had incriminated Carmen because Carmen is saying, no,

924
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.679
it was just by chance. We talked and yeah, it's

925
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.440
not not normal, you know, for me to go meet

926
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.800
him at at a gas station. That's not weird. I

927
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.559
mean that I took care of this kid. So when

928
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.599
she was faced with this information, she spilled it. Okay, fine,

929
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.880
we did discuss killing Zeke. Shortly after the shooting of TJ. Guzman.

930
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:30.360
She told Mark in this conversation the route that Big

931
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.920
Zeke took home from work, and then she paged Mark

932
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:36.400
to let him know that Zeke had left work after

933
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.039
Big Zeke called her and said, hey, Han, I'm on

934
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.400
the way home from Mark. And when she says this,

935
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.440
she maintained, but I didn't want him to die. That

936
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:49.960
wasn't my plan. Okay, bitch whatever. But as the two

937
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.559
were basically played against, you know, played against each other

938
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.039
by detectives during all this questioning, they continued to sink

939
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:03.559
each other because Carmen forgot, apparently to mention that the

940
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:08.719
supposedly grieving widow had been the point person from the jump.

941
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.440
The two had literally sat down together and created a

942
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.360
detailed plan of how this was gonna go down. She

943
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.199
had told Mark in the upstairs bedroom of their home

944
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:24.440
she wanted big Zeke dead after realizing that Mark, this

945
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:28.079
teenage boy in her home, wasn't afraid to shoot somebody.

946
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.400
Why did she know that? Because he had just shot TJ. Guzman.

947
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.559
Big Zeke was supposed to be coming home for a

948
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.800
two week vacation that he was looking forward to, two

949
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.960
weeks off of work they get to celebrate the holidays together,

950
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:45.920
and she knew that that was coming and she didn't

951
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.199
want to spend the two weeks with him. She wanted

952
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:53.360
him gone before the vacation. Also because of an insurance

953
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.480
clause of some sword. I didn't dive that deep into

954
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.719
what the clause was, but she needed him to be killed.

955
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.079
In the car, Mark still had the nine millimeter on him,

956
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.239
and so she says, okay, cool. She goes and gets

957
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.480
more bullets and gives them to Mark. Yeah, the woman

958
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.880
who didn't want him to die, that just was talking

959
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.880
about how he was supposedly a bad husband, so they

960
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.880
had decided together that he would need an accomplice, and

961
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.119
that's when they recruited Mason to be the driver. They

962
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.599
went over the route, they sat down, they went over

963
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.320
the route Big Zeke took home from work, and she

964
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.559
pointed them to go past the specific exit called the

965
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.519
Pearland exit, and that's where they needed to wait. Mark

966
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.400
then stole the Cadillac from mister Boney, and get this,

967
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:45.239
he hid it in big Zeke's own garage until it

968
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.079
was time for the murder. He went and he picked

969
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.039
up Mason. They drove to this cul de sac that

970
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:57.079
connected the Beltway, connected the Beltway to another direction, and

971
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.920
that's on the two switch seats. Mason was now driving.

972
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.280
Minutes after they got there and switched seats. That's when

973
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.480
Carmen paged him. They agreed upon Code forty eight right

974
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:11.360
after Big z called to say that he was on

975
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.519
his way home from work. That's whenever that page went through.

976
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.599
The two teams sat there, they waited for the car

977
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.760
to pass by, and that's whenever they pulled in behind him,

978
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.159
verified it was him, and shot him to death. But

979
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.840
what happened was that Mark started screaming for Mason. Stopped

980
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:29.880
the car. Stop the car, want to get the wallet,

981
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.280
Stop the car. I want to rob him. But Mason

982
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:35.000
was so freaked out by what had just happened, he

983
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.480
just he just tore out of there. He wanted the

984
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.679
hell away from what had just happened. That's whenever Mason

985
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:44.000
and Mark split up. Mason went home. Mark did go

986
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:49.000
to a girlfriend's house, but he called Carmen, and Carmen said,

987
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.360
you better go back and get that fucking wallet. Go

988
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.559
get the wallet. Specifically, she wanted him to go get

989
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.880
the wallet because she told him this kid Mark that

990
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.719
it had over one hundred dollars in it usually and

991
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.639
he could use that money to go on the run,

992
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.639
but you better bring us credit cards back to me first,

993
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.800
can you freaking imagine? So Mark did it. He went back,

994
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.800
He walked up on him, shot him more times to

995
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.239
make sure good and sure he was dead, stole the wallet,

996
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.119
and then they met up at the gas station to

997
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.480
exchange the wallet contents. So the case, as far as

998
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:29.119
you and I are concerned, open and shut now. But wait,

999
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:36.599
there's more. See after his arrest, Mark started writing that

1000
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:41.400
old female friends from that friend from years ago, I

1001
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:43.880
don't know, maybe if he was bored, or maybe he

1002
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.960
was hoping to woo this girl for some commissary money

1003
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.239
or whatever, But either way he started writing her. And

1004
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.280
that said, those letters would be a very eye opening

1005
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.280
thing for in guest investigators, because when Mark was opening

1006
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:03.599
up his heart to his old friend, he mentioned something

1007
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:08.280
that had never been said to police. It turned out

1008
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.039
he was upset because of a baby. What the hell

1009
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:18.880
does a baby have to do with any of this? Well,

1010
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:25.159
turns out Mark and his best friend's mother, Carmen, weren't

1011
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.400
just the mother close son duo we have all come

1012
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.599
to believe. No, this was way more than that. It

1013
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:40.760
turns out Mark had been having a sexual relationship with

1014
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:46.039
his best friend's mother right underneath Big Zeke's nose and

1015
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.840
Little Zeke while he was locked up. Now, I want

1016
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.239
to remind you he was fourteen years old when he

1017
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:56.920
met this woman. He was seventeen years old when this

1018
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:02.159
murder went down. That affair, if you want to call it,

1019
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:07.559
that had resulted in a pregnancy. Seventeen year old Mark

1020
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:11.960
had knocked up his best friend's forty year old something mother,

1021
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:17.559
which also makes her a pedophile. So in his writings,

1022
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.400
he cleared up why he would be so invested and

1023
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.760
willing to kill big Zeke because he wrote in these

1024
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:29.559
letters which that girl kept and even shared with police,

1025
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.920
he was in love with an older woman named Carmen,

1026
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:35.679
but he could never be with her again he had

1027
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:43.440
gotten her pregnant, and Carmen's husband found out. That's why supposedly,

1028
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.239
And I don't know if it's true or not, and

1029
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.000
I'm not putting it on big Zke because I don't

1030
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:51.840
have any proof of it. That supposedly, whenever he beat

1031
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:56.960
up Carmen and she in turn lost that baby, that supposedly,

1032
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:01.880
I don't know what actually happened. The killing that he did,

1033
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:03.840
and the reason he went and he killed big Zeke

1034
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.400
was actually a revenge killing for his baby's death, and

1035
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.760
so that the couple could stay together. She would be

1036
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.679
with him, they would live together in the home, and

1037
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:19.920
they would live happily ever after with the life insurance proceeds.

1038
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.400
And it sounds wild, I know that, and no one

1039
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:30.039
would ever believe Mark, probably, But then Carmen gets called

1040
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:36.719
back in and she confirms this with police. Now it

1041
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.519
all makes sense. A pedophilic woman got pregnant by her

1042
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:45.320
teenage son's best friend, who in turn murders her husband

1043
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.360
so that he can take his life in more ways

1044
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:53.599
than one. Everyone was arrested in this case, Mark Mason

1045
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:59.280
and Carmen. Mason turned state's witness. He agreed that he

1046
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.559
would testify against Carmen in exchange for a deal to

1047
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.280
get ten years in prison. Mark was charged and convicted

1048
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.639
of first degree murder as well as a plethora of

1049
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:16.280
other charges, and he was handed down the death penalty. Carmen,

1050
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:20.760
she was indicted and she was ultimately tried for capital murder.

1051
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.320
She was found guilty and her punishment was assessed at

1052
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.880
life in prison. But then the courts came back as

1053
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:31.760
far as Mark was concerned, because in two thousand and five,

1054
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.199
his death sentence was revoked because the Supreme Court went

1055
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.639
through this whole juveniles cannot be executed, so this then

1056
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:46.519
commuted his death sentence, making him eligible for parole now

1057
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.599
in twenty thirty seven, So is Carmen. By the way,

1058
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.320
So Carmen still today maintains, Look, I'm not an evil,

1059
01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:00.679
seductive mastermind, and Mark I had to do this on

1060
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.400
his own. He murdered big Zeke as a sixth gift

1061
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.480
for me. But I didn't ask for it, and I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever,

1062
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.159
you're sleeping with a teenager, ma'am. You are exactly everything

1063
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.239
you are described as. But I want to give you this.

1064
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:17.559
Netflix even has a special on Mark. Okay, it's on

1065
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:19.519
one of the I Am Killer shows, which I did

1066
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.920
go watch after I wrote this, and I want you

1067
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:27.480
to know this. They pissed me off. They pissed me off,

1068
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:29.119
and I want to challenge you as a listener to

1069
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.599
go watch it, okay, because they make Mark out to

1070
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:37.760
be some kind of poor, poor boy who killed for

1071
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:39.639
love or some shit like that, and that he was

1072
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.400
manipulated and blah blah blah. No, and I want to

1073
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:48.159
stop the agenda and quit with all this fucking propaganda

1074
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:52.440
because Mark Arthur, you can trust in me. I'm looking

1075
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:56.079
into it. And Mark Arthur had a criminal record dating

1076
01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:00.199
back that started at the age of twelve. I had

1077
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:04.159
also been by the way on a massive twenty three

1078
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.280
day crime spree leading right up to the murder of

1079
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:12.280
Big Zeke. He had been a continual nuisance to society

1080
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.639
and he left a wake of destruction everywhere he went. Burglary,

1081
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:22.400
aggravated robbery, assault, car thefts, carjackings and murder are not

1082
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:28.119
all done by some poor old manipulated boy. No, they

1083
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:34.639
just chose to focus on that one aspect. So, knowing

1084
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.079
this story, I want you to do your unspeakable homework.

1085
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.880
I'm gonna call it that. Do your unspeakable homework. Go

1086
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.320
watch I Am Killer Season two, episode five, honorable intentions.

1087
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.000
Go watch that episode and then reflect back on what

1088
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.280
I've told you, and you tell me if you can

1089
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.920
see the agenda that is there. That's what we as

1090
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:59.039
citizens and as freethinkers need to always remember. There is

1091
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:02.199
more to every single story than you will ever know.

1092
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.119
He was a gang member, He turned his back on

1093
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:08.360
his own mother and his stepfather because of the rules

1094
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.800
they employed. He was willing to shoot and kill people

1095
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.920
on multiple occasions. So forgive me if if the show

1096
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:21.079
fails to pull my pity for him. He wasn't a

1097
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.639
soldier of the streets. He was a volunteer of his

1098
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:31.000
own downfall. He traded positive potential for negative attention and

1099
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:35.159
guess what he got exactly what he wanted. And speaking

1100
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:39.760
of Mark will never get to see that parole date

1101
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.199
that he was awarded when his sentence was commuted because

1102
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:48.320
on October twenty sixth of twenty twenty two, a correctional

1103
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:53.320
officer found him dead in his cell from multiple knife

1104
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:59.679
wounds to his neck, courtesy of his own cellmate. When

1105
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:04.639
you actively trade wisdom for weapons, and guidance for gangs

1106
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:10.239
and rules for recklessness, you will reap exactly what you

1107
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:14.000
sew and hell, I mean it even looks like his

1108
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.320
own cellmate agreed with me. Some people need to be

1109
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:20.000
removed from society, no matter how you slice it,