June 17, 2025

Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read

Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read
Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player icon
Season 7

In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ delves into the death of Boston police officer John O'Keefe and brings you into the investigation of his girlfriend Karen Read to finally answer the question…Did she do it?

Chapters
01:44 The Life of John O'Keefe
12:36 Adjusting to Parenthood
14:30 New Neighbors and Community
24:19 A Night Out Turns Sour
33:36 The Emergency Call
49:33 The Heartbreaking News
54:01 Family's Desperate Drive to the Hospital
1:06:44 Unraveling the Mystery of John's Death

Follow “Crime Wire Weekly” on it’s new channel HERE:
Apple Podcasts
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-crime-wire-weekly/id1815864889
Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/show/3zyrgjtW6gLUVbicJaYXV9?si=0dbf4983938344a2
Amazon Music
https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/3738411d-828e-4138-9976-223ab5de2c87/the-crime-wire-weekly

SOURCES
https://www.cartwrightfuneral.com/obituaries/John-J-III-JJ-OKeefe?obId=29113887 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/236494717/john_j-o'keefe/photo
https://whdh.com/news/john-okeefe-was-a-veteran-officer-and-devoted-father-figure/
https://www.today.com/popculture/officer-who-appeared-police-reality-show-bostons-finest-dies-2d11638373
https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2014/01/16/two-young-canton-kids-lose/40602672007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/07/who-karen-read-trial-murder-case/83476129007/
https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/04/these-are-the-20-people-you-need-to-know-to-follow-karen-reads-2nd-trial.html








WEBVTT

1
00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.119
Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

2
00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:12.480
stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

3
00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:15.119
so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

4
00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:24.920
even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

5
00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:28.039
and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

6
00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.719
dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

7
00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:52.679
evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

8
00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.719
for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

9
00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.960
not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, it's

10
00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.799
kJ here back for this episode of Unspeakable. How's it going?

11
00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.799
What you're doing? I just damn near knocked the whole

12
00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.159
microphone and stand off the table. I guess I got

13
00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.319
so excited to press the button. Formal apologies to Jimothy

14
00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:13.799
for almost tearing down his studio from top to bottom.

15
00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.599
Now listen up to this. I know for a fact

16
00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.799
because people be messaging me that a bunch of y'all

17
00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:24.280
are following or at least have heard about this case.

18
00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:26.719
So I know. Look, I gotta jump on the train

19
00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.760
to dude. I gotta get this one done, and I've

20
00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.359
got to give it to y'all. So here we go. Now,

21
00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.680
I will start out and tell you this is gonna

22
00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:37.719
have to be a multi part. But trust me, you

23
00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.280
can cool your jets because you're gonna want the full

24
00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.799
Manti on this one because it gets cray. So go

25
00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:47.560
ahead and give this one a listen and make sure

26
00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.319
you listen in order as I release these. So, I

27
00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.959
want you to come with me to Massachusetts, specifically the

28
00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:58.120
areas of Canton and Boston. Okay, this was the home

29
00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:02.000
of twenty six year old John o'keith. And I know

30
00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.000
right now I just said that, Dame and sudden y'all

31
00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.840
are like, oh, no, she didn't. She's doing this one already. Yes, ma'am,

32
00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.919
I am you message and you shall receive. So let

33
00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.960
me give you a little background on John. Okay. So

34
00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.159
John was born and raised in Braintree, which is about

35
00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.800
twelve miles south of Boston if you don't know that

36
00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:22.120
area like I did not. And his parents' names were

37
00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.240
John and Margaret. Miss Margaret went by Peggy, and they

38
00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:29.120
were the proud parents of three kids. Kristin was the oldest,

39
00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.800
John was the middle, and Paul was the youngest. And

40
00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:35.319
their home was one of those homes that was full

41
00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.360
of love and commitment to family. No doubt, they were

42
00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.759
a tight knit group. John was referred to as Johnny

43
00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.680
by his family, and he was gonna be successful, just

44
00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.599
like his siblings were. He graduated from Braintree High School

45
00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.919
and then he went on to graduate from Northwestern University.

46
00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.639
But that was not enough for John. He also wanted

47
00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.560
to continue to level up, and he did so by

48
00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.319
earning his master's degree in criminal justice from UMass, which

49
00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.159
he would then turn around and turn into a career

50
00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.400
in none other than law enforcement. A man after my

51
00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.319
own heart in this one, I can tell that he

52
00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:16.400
and I have very similar likes and goals I guess

53
00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:18.719
in life, so to speak. And his career would be

54
00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.680
a fulfilling one too because he knew, beyond a shadow

55
00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.319
of a doubt that he wanted to help people. That

56
00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.400
was something that just was intrinsic in him to help people,

57
00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.879
and so this would lead him to become a police

58
00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.840
officer with the Boston Police Department. Specifically, he worked the

59
00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.560
roads as a patrolman and he was now in his

60
00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.840
sixteenth year as a Boston Police officer. He loved his job,

61
00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.560
he was good at it, and there's a difference some

62
00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.599
officers show up for a paycheck. Some of them show

63
00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.800
up to be the job, to do the work. And

64
00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:53.919
John showed up to do the work. He was good

65
00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.919
at it, and his drive to help people was something

66
00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:00.199
that led him to this career. And he did us

67
00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:06.400
that he would also have his life change because of

68
00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.199
this drive to help people. And I'm gonna it would

69
00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:11.080
change in a drastic way, which I'm gonna get to

70
00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.319
in just a second. Matter of fact, it would change

71
00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.720
the trajectory of his life substantially in just a moment

72
00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.639
when I get to that. So, John was devoted to

73
00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.920
loving and caring for his parents as well as being

74
00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.000
close to his siblings. Now, his parents weren't dependent on

75
00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.639
him day in and day out, but he was a

76
00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.600
good son and he wanted to make sure his parents

77
00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.759
were well taken care of. They were just a tight

78
00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.560
knit trio of siblings as well as a tight knit family,

79
00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.879
and they loved one another greatly and deeply. He was

80
00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.160
lucky also that he had a best friend in the

81
00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.199
world named Pat Rogers, who he loved like a brother

82
00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:47.720
as well. Pat and John were not only best buds,

83
00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.839
but they were also co workers at the Boston PD.

84
00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.560
Now Pat. He had been an eight year veteran of

85
00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:59.040
the department as well as a second generation, second generation officer.

86
00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.000
It was just in his blood as well. He was

87
00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.120
a likable guy and so much so I'm not just

88
00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.279
saying this, so much so was he liked that He

89
00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.759
even became somewhat of a star on a TV show

90
00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.639
called Boston's Finest if you remember that, it was a

91
00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.040
reality TV show that followed officers on their beats, and

92
00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.920
he just was liked by the audience. So both guys,

93
00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.399
John and Pat had that unmistakable accent that you just

94
00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:29.680
know is Boston. But Pat was just relaxed and a

95
00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.040
chill dude. Pat was always teasing people. It was always

96
00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.040
in fun. But then could flip a frick and switch

97
00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.920
and be as tough as nails street cop doing what

98
00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:42.519
he had to do to keep order in the streets.

99
00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.600
Now John would really need that best friend in Pat.

100
00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.399
He would need him to show him support because on

101
00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:54.040
November eleventh of twenty thirteen, John's sister, Kristen passed away.

102
00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.319
She had been battling an aggressive brain tumor, a geoblastoma

103
00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.240
is what it is, and she passed away pretty quickly

104
00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.240
after being diagnosed with it. She did die at home

105
00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.199
and she was surrounded by her family, but it was

106
00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.079
a pretty quick demise. Once she was diagnosed, she was

107
00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.920
having headaches and migraines and wasn't feeling very good. Went

108
00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.519
to the doctor and that's how they found this tumor.

109
00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.120
So she had two young children at the time, a

110
00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.199
daughter and a son, and obviously her two children were

111
00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.399
just devastated by the loss of their mama and how

112
00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:34.439
quickly things pretty how quickly things went downhill for their mama.

113
00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.279
But John was there to support his brother in law.

114
00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.800
His brother in law's name was Stephen. Just all of

115
00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.519
them were affected by this tragedy. It affected everyone's lives

116
00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.079
and so he knew that Stephen needed support as well

117
00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.879
as just someone to lean on, and he also wanted

118
00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.920
to show extra love and support for his niece and

119
00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.160
his nephew through the dark days in weeks that would come,

120
00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.480
but John would still be grieving the fresh death of

121
00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.680
his sister when just days later, he was devastated when

122
00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.279
he woke up to the news that his best friend

123
00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.720
Pat Pat had committed suicide.

124
00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:13.480
It was just.

125
00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.639
November nineteenth, literally days later after losing his sister and

126
00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:19.920
It's like you just never really know what people are

127
00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.160
going through, do you. It was out of the blue,

128
00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:28.279
it was unexpected, and Pat, this jokester and also this

129
00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.319
father to be with his girlfriend who was pregnant at

130
00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.439
the time, was gone. He just, I guess, lost his

131
00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.279
battle with depression. And John took this hard. To lose

132
00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.199
your sister and your best friend within just days of

133
00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:48.000
one another was rough. Now. One thing that became, I guess,

134
00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:52.199
a bright side to things was that, although feeling this

135
00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:56.920
tremendous loss on two fronts, when Pat's son was born,

136
00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.240
John was named the godfather of his best friend's baby boy.

137
00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.560
And what a moment that would be. When Pat died,

138
00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.800
John believed it was his role and he stepped up

139
00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.480
to the plate and he decided that he was going

140
00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.399
to help Pat's girlfriend out during her pregnancy. That was

141
00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.680
his role as the best friend, and he was the person.

142
00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:20.680
He was not in the delivery room when the baby

143
00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.879
was born, but he was the person that came in

144
00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.279
right after she gave birth. He remained a constant presence

145
00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.879
in that child's life thereafter. And as far as best

146
00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.600
friends go, John is everything that you would hope for

147
00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:38.519
and a best friend in your absence. You know, when

148
00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:43.120
I do my live shows, I have a security person

149
00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:47.480
that comes and he's law enforcement, and he actually reminded

150
00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.840
me of this because he's a police officer and his

151
00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.399
best friend was killed in the line of duty. His

152
00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:57.279
best friend had a baby boy right there when that happened,

153
00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.480
and so my security still, to this day it's been

154
00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:07.200
what ten eleven years, still takes care of that child

155
00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.279
and is in his life and takes him fishing and

156
00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.159
does all the things that you would pray a best

157
00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.720
friend would do. So this is something that was just

158
00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.279
very touching to me because it does mean so much.

159
00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:23.720
So John would revel literally in his new godfather's status,

160
00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:30.679
but again that would soon be overshadowed again by sadness because,

161
00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:36.399
unimaginably and almost unbelievably, just two months after losing his

162
00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.559
sister and his best friend, his brother in law, his

163
00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:45.960
sister's husband, Steven, would also pass away unexpectedly from a

164
00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.159
heart attack, and this left those two children, John's niece

165
00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.600
and nephew completely orphaned of parents. I mean, Stephen literally

166
00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.440
was barbecuing and having a good time in the backyard

167
00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.480
with the kids, went to bed and never woke up.

168
00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.000
So this is obviously as you can imagine. I mean, hell,

169
00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:06.000
I'm only ten minutes under this episode and we've had

170
00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.399
three deaths, and this is just devastating for everyone involved.

171
00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.960
But John's heart for his family and for helping people,

172
00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.960
like I had mentioned just previously, would shine through in

173
00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.080
a moment like this because although he was single and

174
00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.159
he had no children of his own, John decided then

175
00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.639
and there that this was his role to rectify. He

176
00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.600
would make the decision to change his entire life as

177
00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:38.679
he knew it in an instant, to become the parent

178
00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.639
to his niece and his nephew, obviously not take the

179
00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:46.159
role of their mother and father over, but to become

180
00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.200
that constant that they would need in raising them. He

181
00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.279
made the selfless decision. He owned a condo. He decided

182
00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.159
he was going to sell his condo. Why because he

183
00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.360
was going to go take all of his things and

184
00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.000
move into his late sister and brother in law's home.

185
00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.320
Because this was the only quote unquote home that those

186
00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.360
kids knew, and he wanted them to be able to

187
00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:12.559
keep one last shred of normalcy in their lives, and

188
00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.120
he didn't want to have to just upend them completely

189
00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.240
and move them to his condo, so he sold his

190
00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.600
and he moved into his late sister and brother in

191
00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:25.279
law's home. So between John, his parents, and his brother Paul,

192
00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.799
those kids had a fortress of love and support surrounding them.

193
00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.639
His job too, which this was impressive to me. His

194
00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.799
job too, was very accommodating to this big upheaval in

195
00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.799
his life because they decided then in there that they

196
00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.519
would transition him from that patrol job on the road

197
00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.159
to more of a roll behind a desk with daytime

198
00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.080
hours so that he could be there for these kids

199
00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.679
and not be working night shifts. So he was reassigned

200
00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.440
to the sex offender Registry unit, and the change in

201
00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.919
his scale suited the demands of his new life requirements.

202
00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.519
It was a big shift. I mean, single guy now

203
00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.440
a parent of two and all the loss that was

204
00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.840
around him, plus moving, plus now changing his job and

205
00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:15.559
his role. You can imagine that's a lot of change

206
00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.799
in a short amount of time. But luckily for John,

207
00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.720
he also had friends that would come to his aide,

208
00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.080
swoop in and would go above and beyond to help

209
00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.039
him not only as a new dad, but also with

210
00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.320
that steep learning curve that comes with parenting and he

211
00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.600
didn't have that. I mean, he loved his niece and nephew,

212
00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:36.279
and he had been there in their lives obviously since

213
00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.080
they were born. But there's a difference between coming in

214
00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.320
on the weekends and loving and hanging out and powing

215
00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.519
around with your niece and nephew to now you're their parent.

216
00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.399
That role is very different. So one such friend that

217
00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.279
came in and was a genuinely huge help to John

218
00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.120
was a woman by the name of Carrie Roberts. Now

219
00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.879
Carrie was married and she had two kids of her own,

220
00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.519
and she though was just a good friend to John.

221
00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.039
John and Carrie had a long history too, so they

222
00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.279
met in high school together. They played soccer. I also

223
00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.679
believed that John took Carrie to homecoming one year and

224
00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.639
that they were they that good of friends. I'm not

225
00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.879
saying that they were best friends after high school, but

226
00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.240
they remained in the area of one another. They did

227
00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.399
remain friends, and when John's sister and brother in law

228
00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.000
passed away, Carrie really jumped in and was able to

229
00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.679
help a lot too because her kids were friends with

230
00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:36.080
John's nephew. Or Carrie's son was friends with John's nephew,

231
00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.559
so they had that relationship there as well. So Carrie

232
00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:41.320
would do things like, hey, look, I can pick up

233
00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.279
the kids. I can take them to school if they

234
00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.000
had practiced together, she would help out with that because

235
00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.000
Carrie's son was the same age as John's nephew, and

236
00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.320
they had gone to preschool together from pre school forward. Really,

237
00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.600
those kids had gone together to school, and they played

238
00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.039
baseball together, and they were buddies. So John really leaned

239
00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.679
on Carrie to help him as an instant dad, and

240
00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.879
he would soon become very close again with not only

241
00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:14.799
Carrie but her husband. John's parents would also become much

242
00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.679
closer and tighter with Carrie and her husband due to

243
00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.279
their constant interactions and helping out with the kids. Really,

244
00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:26.080
just a beautiful symbiotic relationship between a lot of people

245
00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.039
with the nephew and niece in mind from the get go.

246
00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.039
So the kids home that John had moved into that

247
00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.559
were his brother in law and sisters, was a very

248
00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:41.120
very nice home, and that home was stationed next door

249
00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.639
to a couple called the mccabes, Matt and Jen McCabe.

250
00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.759
They had four daughters, and so John and the next

251
00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.200
door neighbor, the mccabes, they would then become close friends

252
00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.320
as well, living next door to one another. Now, after

253
00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.720
living there for a few years, years would pass and

254
00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.679
in twenty eighteen, John and the kids would eventually move

255
00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.279
to another home, and this home would be what I

256
00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:10.759
would consider theirs as a new family. So it wasn't

257
00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.639
that he was just getting rid of their old home.

258
00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.120
It was that some time had passed and they wanted

259
00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.639
to have a fresh start as their own. You know,

260
00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.320
he was solidified as their guardian, as their parents, so

261
00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.440
to speak, and so they got this new house as

262
00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:27.480
their own. Now, this home was located in Canton, and

263
00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.399
his new neighbors there would also become good friends with

264
00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.320
John as well as his kids or his niece and nephew. However,

265
00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.799
you want to look at that. Now, this family was

266
00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.120
the Albert family, and this family consisted of Chris and Julie,

267
00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:45.240
who also had three sons, Chris, Colin, Chris Junior, Colin,

268
00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.480
and Dylan. Now, I know I've introduced a whole lot

269
00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.720
of people here in a short amount of time, So

270
00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.919
for purposes of storytelling and keeping everything straight, I'm going

271
00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.559
to refer to these couples as old neighbors and new

272
00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.639
neighbors because they're going to be mentioned throughout the story,

273
00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.960
and there's also going to be a ton more people

274
00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.720
that are involved. But I have to introduce all of

275
00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.679
these people into the story. You'll understand why as it unfolds.

276
00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:15.159
All right, So, John, now that time has passed, was

277
00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.840
no longer single by this point either. He had rekindled

278
00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.639
an old flame with a woman named Karen Reid. John really,

279
00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.159
as far as his family was concerned, had only had

280
00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.519
two real I guess you'd call serious relationships that they

281
00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.399
knew of, and serious meaning he dated these people for

282
00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.919
an extended period of time, maybe like a year or more,

283
00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.360
not just a week or two or something of that nature.

284
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.159
John had dated a woman named Amy, but they broke up,

285
00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:46.879
and then he originally had met or dated Karen back

286
00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.279
in two thousand and four, but they broke up because

287
00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.480
she ended up moving to Ireland for work. But then

288
00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.759
during twenty twenty they reconnected. Now, remember what's going on

289
00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.919
during twenty twenty there was a pandemic going around, COVID

290
00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.840
and all of that. It's during that time frame when

291
00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.400
a lot of people were spending time at home. John

292
00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:09.160
reached out to her via Facebook and they reconnected and

293
00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:15.200
again romance blossomed from that connection. So Karen, she's a

294
00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.880
rather petite woman. She's forty four years old at this time.

295
00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.839
She's got long brown hair. It's accented with some blonde highlights.

296
00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.680
She's a naturally pretty woman. And if I had to

297
00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.279
give you something to I guess compare her to, I

298
00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.319
would think along the lines of maybe the singer Sheryl Crowe.

299
00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.920
She kind of has that vibe about her. She worked

300
00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.599
in finance, and she was a very educated woman. Looking

301
00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:41.759
back on her life, I did a little digging about her,

302
00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.400
and she had attended private Catholic school as a kid.

303
00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.000
She was someone that was a member of the National

304
00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.039
Honor Society in high school, where she was well liked

305
00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.359
by her teachers. They remembered her as someone that they

306
00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.759
considered to be a girl that was going to go places,

307
00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:03.079
very strong willed, bright, someone that would speak up and

308
00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.559
just bound for success as far as they were concerned.

309
00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.559
So she graduated high school. She then went on to

310
00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.960
college where she earned not only her undergraduate degree but

311
00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:18.519
also her master's degree in finance at Bentley University in Waltham, Massachusetts.

312
00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.640
And while she was there, she was also a presidential

313
00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.759
scholar after she would graduate, she then would turn around

314
00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.039
and pour back into students I guess she would say

315
00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.240
in that area, because she would in turn become an

316
00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:35.000
adjunct professor at the very college that she had graduated from.

317
00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.559
Her dad, too, from what I understand, was president of

318
00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.480
that university or worked high up at that university, and

319
00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.559
so it was a proud moment for her father as

320
00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.920
well as for her to follow in her dad's footsteps there. So,

321
00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.680
as this story is really starting to unfold here, John

322
00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.799
and Karen have now been dating for about two years.

323
00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.359
Obviously this is a serious relationship, so much so that

324
00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:05.279
she really cared for the kids as a motherly figure.

325
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.640
She was absolutely inserted into their lives. I would almost

326
00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.960
go as far as to say step motherly in that role.

327
00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.720
She wasn't just a girlfriend that came and saw them

328
00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:20.119
every now and then. She genuinely cared about these children.

329
00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.680
She cared that they did well, that they succeeded. She

330
00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.640
doted after them, and they wanted her at this point

331
00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.279
a part of their lives, and they she was very

332
00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:35.000
built into their lives. Now, this would lead to fights.

333
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.720
I mean, it wasn't the perfect situation. I don't care.

334
00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.960
How much you love and care for people, you're gonna argue.

335
00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.119
And a lot of these arguments that started were really

336
00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.880
between John feeling like Karen was spoiling the kids and

337
00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.519
that she was doing too much. You're doing too much, Karen,

338
00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.319
you know, for the children, and she needed to quit.

339
00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.680
An example of this would be that she would take

340
00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.400
the kids out and get them dots dunkin donuts and

341
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.839
coffee or whatever before she would take them to school,

342
00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:05.799
stuff like that. But he felt like she did it

343
00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.039
too much and that maybe they were getting just a

344
00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.160
little too accustomed to all these extras. Now, this was

345
00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.680
now during COVID and if you remember, during the COVID era,

346
00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.480
the kids were all all over the US, kids were

347
00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.920
taking classes remotely. We weren't actually in session at school.

348
00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.599
The kids were doing school via computer by and large.

349
00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:26.960
I mean we did that here. And again, I was

350
00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.279
a school teacher then, so I know this drill that

351
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.599
we were trying to teach by computer, which was a nightmare,

352
00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.559
but that's what we had to do. Now this would

353
00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.599
be perfect really for their household though, because Karen, at

354
00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.480
her job, was able to work remotely as well, and

355
00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.680
she could stay home with the kids a majority of

356
00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.240
the time while John was doing his job at the

357
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.319
police station. So they really had this kind of routine

358
00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.359
that they were in. Karen's routine is that she would

359
00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.880
stay at her own house. She did own her own home.

360
00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.279
She wasn't mooching off a John or anything. She would

361
00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.039
stay at her own home on Mondays and on Thursdays,

362
00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.839
but the other days she would stay at John's and

363
00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.400
help tend with the kids. Monday was kind of like

364
00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.440
her reset day, I guess you would say. She would

365
00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:09.440
go home and reset at her life and her home

366
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.720
and take care of the things that she needed to

367
00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.039
take care of. And then Thursday she needed to be

368
00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:14.720
at home because that was the day that she would

369
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:19.319
teach her adjunct classes for the university. So that was

370
00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.200
kind of the routine during the week. And John and

371
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.200
his brother Paul were very close. They spoke constantly like

372
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.599
tight siblings would do. Whether they were meeting up, having

373
00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:33.079
lunch or dinner, or texting. They were always in communication.

374
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.880
And this included that Paul and John also liked to

375
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:40.599
vacation together and with their respective families so to speak.

376
00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:45.279
So for example, the New Years of twenty twenty two,

377
00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:47.359
so the end of twenty twenty one. Rolling into the

378
00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.319
year twenty twenty two, they were all in Aruba doing

379
00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:54.400
a celebration. Paul and his family were there as well

380
00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.759
as John and Karen, and even some other couples and

381
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.839
people were there as well. It was kind of like

382
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.000
modgepodge of friends and friendship group. Karen and Paul's wife,

383
00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:10.400
Aaron got along really well too. Paul liked Karen, Aaron

384
00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:14.119
liked Karen. The groups just melded really really well together,

385
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:19.200
and the two women, Aaron and Karen, really became actual

386
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.680
friends during this time. They would chitchat over the phone

387
00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.359
while they were driving, they would do things that girlfriends

388
00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.519
would do, and that's kind of how it goes right.

389
00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.119
You want to be friendly and loving and invested in

390
00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.880
the person that your dating's family, and so this was

391
00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.960
completely normal. And because of the kids, and because of

392
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.119
them all working together to help each other out with

393
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.960
the children, that relationship just really blossomed and everybody got

394
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.960
along well. Now, John in the meantime, wasn't someone who

395
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.440
would just quit being friends with somebody just because he

396
00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.960
moved away. And so when he did move from the

397
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.720
children's initial home to the new house, that would become

398
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:06.880
their new house as a family. He would eventually introduce Karen,

399
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:11.880
his girlfriend, to Jen McCabe. Now, Jen McCabe, remember that

400
00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:16.160
is the wife neighbor at the old house. Now why

401
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.359
did he introduce Karen and Jen McCabe to one another? Well,

402
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.599
they were friends. He was friends, and he wanted to

403
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:26.359
know one another. But also both women suffered from multiple sclerosis,

404
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.720
and so they were able to talk to one another

405
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.519
about their struggles and help one another and give tips

406
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.039
and tricks, and it was just something that kind of

407
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:41.559
bonded the women together. Jim, did you see what happened

408
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:42.359
in Texas today?

409
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.119
Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

410
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:46.319
what happened in New York.

411
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.279
It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

412
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:49.880
you about yesterday in Louisiana.

413
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.799
You know what, we should do a podcast about it,

414
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.440
And with that we did.

415
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.279
Crime Wire Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have

416
00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:58.279
dominated the week.

417
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.960
We cover trending crime from all over the country and

418
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.480
even sprinkle in a few globally.

419
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.359
Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to

420
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:08.920
your podcasts.

421
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.079
Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

422
00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.920
in the description of this podcast.

423
00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:25.640
It was also a commonality that these two women would

424
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.920
be around each other at social outings and social gatherings

425
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.759
and events, so it just made sense that they would

426
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:33.920
know each other and become friends. So I want to

427
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.039
fast forward now to January twenty eighth of twenty twenty two,

428
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.400
and this was a Friday. So John's brother, Paul was

429
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.559
a coach for both of his daughter's basketball teams. Being

430
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:50.079
Paul's kids, Paul coached his own kids basketball teams, and

431
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.400
so he spent the evening doing just that. There was

432
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.880
games back to back, and so he was coaching. Now.

433
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.400
He was also at the same time in a group

434
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:02.039
text with not only John, but also their parents because

435
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:05.039
John had just gotten some great exciting news and he

436
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:09.440
wanted to share it with the family. John's niece had

437
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:13.000
just been accepted to a private school, which they were

438
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.720
just through the roof about. Very excited. The niece, I believe,

439
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:18.880
was going from eighth grade into ninth grade, so this

440
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.440
was again a transition year into high school. This was

441
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.279
a private school she really wanted to get into, and

442
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:28.160
her best friend, the niece's best friend, also got accepted

443
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.519
to this private school, so it was perfect. Two friends

444
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.839
made it into this private school. They were very excited

445
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.400
that she got that acceptance letter. And then on top

446
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.039
of that, he was super proud because his nephew had

447
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.200
just gotten back some national math scores on this testing

448
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.440
that he did, and he nailed it. He absolutely nailed it.

449
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.839
So John was the proudest uncle on the planet that

450
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.599
these two kids had overcome so much in such a

451
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.000
short amount of time, they were thriving through their struggle,

452
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.400
and just he just could not have been prouder. I

453
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.160
guess I wrote in my notes here he was a

454
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.119
proud uncle dad because again he wasn't trying to take

455
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.359
the role of take the place of their parents, but

456
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.920
he was uncle dad to say the least. And they

457
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.480
all chimed in with excitement. The grandparents were stoked, Paul

458
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.880
was stoked. Everybody was just so excited. So John and

459
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.359
Paul had plans to meet up the very next day,

460
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.720
which would have been Saturday, the twenty ninth, to hang out.

461
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:33.440
But Mother Nature would unfortunately intervene and she would change

462
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.519
those plans because it turned out that a massive blizzard

463
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:42.559
would be pounding the area starting that Friday night and

464
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.480
probably into the midday the next day. On that Saturday,

465
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.960
and this was not just any old snow. This was

466
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.279
a really, really bad one, something that driving in would

467
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.720
have been very troublesome, and staying home and warm seemed

468
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.880
like a much safer and more reasonable plan for the evening. SOSA,

469
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.039
the brothers talked and they were like, look, let's just

470
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.880
put off our plans. We'll see each other another day.

471
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.240
I just don't want to get out, and Paul wanted

472
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.160
to stay home with the kids and just be safe.

473
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.000
So they canceled their plans and they made plans in

474
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.960
the future to do something different. Well before the storm

475
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.680
came in, John's niece and her bestie, who again were

476
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.880
really excited and wanted to celebrate getting into that private

477
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.680
school together. They wanted to celebrate. John said that is fine.

478
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.119
The bad weather wasn't there yet, and so she was

479
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.440
able to go and be with the best friend and

480
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:36.160
with the best friend's family that evening. Around seven pm,

481
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.039
the nephew he wanted to go spend the night at

482
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.160
his friend's house as well, to which John agreed and said,

483
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.759
that's fine. Your sister went to go stay there, you

484
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.799
can go stay at your buddy's house too. So, considering

485
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.359
that the kids were both gone for the night. John decided, well,

486
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.640
I still want to do something, you know, I'm kidless,

487
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:54.839
I want to go out and I want to have

488
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.240
some fun. And the storm wasn't there yet, so that's

489
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.920
exactly what he thought about. Maybe some dinner, maybe some drinks.

490
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.680
That would be a really you know, fun evening, nothing

491
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.279
out of the ordinary. So there was a local favorite

492
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.079
place that was called the Waterfall Bar and Grill, and

493
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.920
this is kind of a pub eatery with things like

494
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.920
hamburgers and fish and salads, and this was just somewhere

495
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.160
that locals like to go. There was also another place

496
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.960
that was kind of nearby, and this place was called

497
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.720
c F. McCarthy's.

498
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:26.319
C F.

499
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.160
McCarthy's is an Irish pub and eatery, so they're cat

500
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.400
kind of all near each other as far as the

501
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:38.079
restaurants are located. So around nine o'clock that night, John

502
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.799
and Karen met up at c F. McCarthy's in downtown Canton,

503
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.319
where they decided to have some drinks and hang out

504
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:51.279
and do whatever. Well, about that same time, old neighbors

505
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.720
Matt and Jim McCabe arrived at the Waterfall Bar and Grill.

506
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.960
Well roughly an hour later, a man by the name

507
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.559
of Brian Albert, who is the brother of the new

508
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:06.880
neighbor Alberts. He showed up and met up with the

509
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:12.359
old neighbors, Matt and Jim McCabe. So I know that

510
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.160
that's a lot going on there, but just hang with me. Well,

511
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.319
about an hour after that, all those people met up.

512
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:23.119
John and Karen left c F. McCarthy's and decided to

513
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.920
meet all these other groups of people at the Waterfall

514
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.880
Grill as well. They were all hanging out having a

515
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.000
great time, and it was really just a lot of fun.

516
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.759
All of these people knew each other and were intermingling

517
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.480
and it just was a blast. Well, they were having

518
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.880
so much fun. By midnight, it was time for the

519
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.759
bar and the grill to close. So when they announced

520
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.079
last call, none of the adults there were wanting the

521
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.920
party to stop. They were drinking. They were just having

522
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:54.559
a blast. So Brian Albert invited everyone, as far as

523
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.720
all those friends I mentioned went, He invited everyone to

524
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.839
go back to his house on Fairview Road. The thing was,

525
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.599
John didn't know how to get there because remember this

526
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.480
isn't his new neighbor's, the Albert's house that he's going

527
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:16.319
to He's going to his new neighbor's brother's house. There

528
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:20.599
was no worries here, though, because old neighbor Jennifer McCabe

529
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.319
called John to give him directions to Brian Albert's house. Now,

530
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.519
I know, right now you're wondering, why would his old

531
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:33.039
why would John's old neighbor know the directions to this

532
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.319
other guy's house and be able to give it to John. Well,

533
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.440
not to confuse you, but Jennifer McCabe is the sister

534
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:46.880
of Brian's wife. All right, y'all, don't even play with

535
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.160
me right now. Okay, if you're watching me podcast, look

536
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.400
into my blue eyes. Don't even play with me right now.

537
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:53.960
I know you're confused. I know you are. I've just

538
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.200
given you so many people a name's I mean, I

539
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.119
was writing a damn thing and putting my notes in,

540
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.799
and I confuse my damn self. So I came up

541
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.200
with a way for you to be able to follow

542
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.759
this and me to be able to tell the story

543
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.079
in a more simple fashion, because it's about to get

544
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.200
a whole lot deeper. Okay, for some clarity, this is

545
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.640
what's gonna happen. Old neighbors were the mccabes. The new

546
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.480
neighbors are the Alberts. Well, the mccabs and the Alberts.

547
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.000
Both of these sets of neighbors they had siblings right well.

548
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:28.359
Old neighbor wife McCabe's sister married the brother of new

549
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:33.920
neighbor husband Albert. So basically there's two sets of neighbors,

550
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.119
new and old, and both of those sets of neighbors

551
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.519
had siblings that married one another. Okay, so from now on,

552
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.519
I'm gonna call those siblings that married each other married.

553
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.880
From the two sets of neighbors, i'm gonna call them

554
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.039
the in law Alberts. So here we go. The old

555
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.160
neighbors are Matt and Jennifer McCabe. New neighbors are Chris

556
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.440
and Julie Albert. In law Alberts are Brian and Nicole.

557
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.880
So old neighbor Jen was able to give John the

558
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.160
address to the in law Albert's house. Now, this was

559
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.279
around twelve fourteen a m. About a minute later, old

560
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:17.759
neighbors Jen and Matt saw Karen's suv. She drove this

561
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.119
black Lexus suv. They saw it pull up outside of

562
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.000
the in law Albert's house where everybody was meeting up

563
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.039
for the after party. Well, whenever they pulled up, Karen

564
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.240
decided that she wasn't feeling well, and she decided to

565
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.839
drop John off at the party at the in law Albert's,

566
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.480
and then she was just going to head back to

567
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.200
John's house to go to sleep. They had been drinking heavily.

568
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.240
She was ready to go. Whatever. Now, when Karen got

569
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.880
back to the house, by that point, it was really

570
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:50.440
really late, or I guess you could say early in

571
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.640
the morning, and the niece had already been brought back

572
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.359
to John's house after spending time celebrating with her friends.

573
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.880
So the nephew was still gone, but the niece was

574
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.480
so now the snow was really starting to fall. It

575
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.160
was freezing and windy. There was really nobody on the

576
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.720
streets as the early morning hours crept by, because soon

577
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.400
it was going to be very, very dangerous to even drive,

578
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.400
So nobody was on the road except for a guy

579
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.960
named Timothy Nutdall now Timothy Nutdall, just so you know,

580
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:28.640
he is a firefighter and paramedic. He was out early

581
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.240
because he decided that he needed to get to the

582
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.880
fire station much earlier for his shift than he normally would.

583
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.440
So this is now the early morning hours of Saturday,

584
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.880
the twenty ninth, and the reason he was out so

585
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.839
early for his shift was because of that again impending weather.

586
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:47.839
He was afraid he wouldn't even be able to really

587
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.640
make it to work on time if he didn't leave

588
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.799
really early, So he got to the fire station at

589
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.799
around six am, even though he wasn't scheduled to be

590
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.920
there until around eight. He just left early enough to

591
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.759
beat all of that weather. But just as he walked

592
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.279
into the building, the emergency alert tone went off at

593
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.360
the station because a nine one one call had come

594
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.679
in and paramedics were needed stat So he overheard the

595
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.199
dispatch give the nature of the call, which was, we

596
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.679
have an unresponsive mail in a snow bank. And this

597
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.760
was a serious, very serious call in that everyone knows

598
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.519
you can't be out lying in a snowbank. This could

599
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.079
be life threatening. So he wasn't even really dressed for

600
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.400
being on duty yet, but he jumped as quickly as

601
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.000
he could, did the best he could to throw on

602
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.239
some gear. He jumped on the ambulance or the fire

603
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.119
truck to help and see if he could help this person,

604
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.760
if advanced intervention would be needed, because he was the

605
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.599
one that was qualified to do that, he got everything

606
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.440
prepped and ready as they were driving, so that as

607
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.840
soon as he stepped off, he would be ready to go. Now,

608
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.480
the dispatch that came over the fire station was minimal. Okay,

609
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.719
if you don't know how the this works, whenever the

610
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:04.920
nine one one call comes in, the information is taken in.

611
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.960
But then that is just in brevity, just into basics,

612
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.960
relayed to the firefighters that are responding. They get very

613
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.679
minimal information. So they didn't really know what to expect

614
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.639
other than this unresponsive male in the snow blank in

615
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.559
the snow bank. So his questions in his mind while

616
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.119
he's riding is kind of, what do I need to

617
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.559
prep for whenever I jump out of this vehicle? What

618
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.920
if this was a drug overdose? What if this guy

619
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.320
had a heart attack? I mean, it was completely unknown,

620
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.760
And so while he's riding, he's packing bags and trying

621
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.159
to get everything prepped as best he can. But it

622
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.639
felt like it took a lot longer to arrival on scene.

623
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.880
But that's because now that weather really had started coming

624
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.199
down and was a serious issue. It was still dark outside,

625
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.880
the snow was heavily falling, and that wind had really

626
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.840
picked up, so while the firefighters obviously didn't hear the

627
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:56.920
nine to one one call. I'm going to play it

628
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.679
for you now in its totality so that you can

629
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.119
get listen for it and get a feel for what

630
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.360
exactly was going on.

631
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.000
No plus of square line? What is emergency? Yes?

632
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.480
I need someone to come to thirty four can't uh

633
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.800
thirty fourth th of you road and can't in math.

634
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:13.719
There's a man passed out in the snow.

635
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.079
You're in Canton. Hold on, you can't plase you called me?

636
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:18.159
You're connected to know it?

637
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:19.880
Okay, Yeah, I don't know why.

638
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.519
It's a better yet the towns the last line I.

639
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.079
Can keep dead. You need like you got to get here?

640
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.840
Okay, I'm a transcend line can okay, I know where.

641
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:38.199
We are. The blankets, I don't see blankets. Carry someone

642
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.960
to come immediately toch thirty four p of you road?

643
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:41.800
Can't in math?

644
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:42.599
What's going on?

645
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.679
There's a guy on responsive in the snow, in the

646
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.159
snow at thirty yes, thirty four the albert resident. Yeah,

647
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.599
I just broke up and found him.

648
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.679
Okay, thirty fourth of you.

649
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:56.039
Thirty fourth th of you can'ton math?

650
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:57.599
Yeah, not one that's on your.

651
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.239
Al Hello, Yes, I'm sorry. Can you come to thirty

652
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:06.719
four the road in.

653
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.800
Canton, thirty four Fairview.

654
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.039
Yes, there's a man on responsive in the snow.

655
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.960
Okay, the h.

656
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.119
You've got to get here, okay, Okay, what's going on?

657
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:20.960
Is your face down?

658
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:23.679
We just flipped him over?

659
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.119
Okay? And who's that in the background? Is that someone related?

660
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:31.280
That's that's his girlfriend? Name is John A Pee?

661
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:32.559
Okay?

662
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.800
How old is he? John is forty six years old?

663
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.880
Forty six? How long has you been outside?

664
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:39.880
I don't know.

665
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:42.760
I don't know.

666
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.440
He got out of the car and a couple of hours.

667
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:53.280
If he carries he I don't, I don't. I don't know.

668
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:54.000
If he's breathing.

669
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.480
There two women trying to heat to his heat and

670
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:58.320
they're hysterical.

671
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.199
Okay, can you just try to ask you? I know

672
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.119
it's tough, but we already have the fire department goal

673
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:02.599
and they just got.

674
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.800
To know keep breathing, you guys, I didn't seem to

675
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:07.360
be breathing.

676
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.199
Okay. Do they know how to do SUTPR? Do they

677
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:09.760
want to tempte?

678
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:10.239
Right?

679
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.119
Can you guys do CPR?

680
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:13.639
No?

681
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:14.639
I guess he's gone.

682
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.159
Okay. They don't feel comfortable doing so.

683
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.480
I think he's passed away.

684
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.119
Okay, all right, we have the fire department and the

685
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.599
police department on the way. If everyone's a climbing suit PR,

686
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.320
then I can't. I'll hang up with you and if

687
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.280
anything changes, you can give us a call back. Where

688
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.880
are you guys outside, waitt?

689
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.079
I know I know him on the phone with the Andelans,

690
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.199
I know, I know, I know, I know, Honey, I

691
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:43.400
know for carry you gotta get off some money, Kerry,

692
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.039
you got to get.

693
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.199
Off of him, you know.

694
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.400
If there was any alcoholic drugs involved.

695
00:38:49.880 --> 00:39:00.280
Stop, they had been out. They had been out, yes, out,

696
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.519
But I'm talking at maybe and I don't know.

697
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.000
How many he's been in the stuff. Okay.

698
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.280
Is there any bleeding or anything? Maybe it is hit

699
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:08.800
his head.

700
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.960
Out, yes, possibly the bleeding in the face.

701
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.719
Okay, bleeding from the face, all right, yes, how big?

702
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.000
The pull of blood? If there is any something's.

703
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.320
Coming out to note. And one of the women is

704
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.079
doing CPR.

705
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.159
Okay, one of theomen is doing CPR, yes, talking all right.

706
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.239
If she's doing CPR, just let me just give him

707
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:31.239
a callback if he becomes response. Right, But we're on

708
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.000
the way, okay, thank you.

709
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:41.400
Yes, So when the fire truck arrived. There was already

710
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.960
an officer on the scene. His name was Deputy Sarah,

711
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.440
And so Tim Nuddall threw open the doors. And as

712
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.320
soon as he threw open the doors to his truck,

713
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.960
he heard the screams of women happening, and so he

714
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.519
exited and he instinctively followed the sounds of the screams,

715
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.960
which led him to a group of three women that

716
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.400
were standing next to a man that was lying on

717
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.559
his back in the snow. Now, to give you some

718
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.360
directional ideas of what's going on, if you're standing in

719
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.679
the road and you were looking at the house that

720
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.480
they arrived at. Okay, they're looking at a two story home.

721
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.440
It's brick on the bottom and then it's got this

722
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.079
tann vinyl on the second story. A two car garage

723
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.079
is attached to the right side of the home. But

724
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.840
these women are standing off kind of far to the

725
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:29.840
left hand side of the yard. But it wasn't just

726
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.679
in the middle of nothing, way off to the left

727
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.519
hand side of the yard. I mean it's past the

728
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.239
side of the house. It's even further than that. There

729
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.000
was a flagpole that was mounted in the yard to

730
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:41.960
that far left side of the home. It has an

731
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.679
American flag atop it, and then there's a fire hydrant

732
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.920
as well as kind of like a bush right there,

733
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.039
and that's where this man was lying, and the women

734
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:57.440
were now at some point. As someone who's only seen

735
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.159
and been in real snow once in my lifetime, which

736
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.280
was coincidentally this past year and a once in a

737
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.440
lifetime freak event weather event in South Louisiana that was

738
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.000
a lot of snow, this is rivaling that even. I mean,

739
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.760
this is an all out blizzard that is going on,

740
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.280
and these conditions are going to matter as I tell

741
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.079
the story, So please be aware. The wind is whipping,

742
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.119
it's blowing from left to right, which you can even

743
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.639
see in dash cam videos from responder cars. It's wet,

744
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.400
it's nasty. These are absolutely the worst conditions probably possible

745
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.239
to be trying to watch dash cam through. The women

746
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.400
had on hooded jackets and the rainy snow makes it

747
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.039
very hard to see one hundred percent clear, but you

748
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.480
can tell when Tim arrives that he jumps out and

749
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.239
you run straight over to that man. He then drops

750
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.880
down to his knees and he immediately starts assessing this

751
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.719
patient while the women are kind of pacing and moving about.

752
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.320
The body of this man was roughly fifteen to twenty

753
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.400
feet off the road, and it was it was in

754
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.920
the yard, okay off the road and near this flagpole.

755
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.599
So Tim checked for a pulse in the man's neck.

756
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.840
He looked for signs of breathing, and he was not

757
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.440
finding anything. To the touch, the man felt frozen. He

758
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.360
literally found no signs of life. Now, as is I

759
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:27.360
guess you'd say common practice. Other paramedics that arrived jumped

760
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.760
off of the trucks and they run over there to

761
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.599
I guess to a follow up assessment and kind of

762
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.480
check each other to see if they're coming up with

763
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.559
the same assessment of the patient. And they all agreed.

764
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.360
At that point they came to the conclusion that this

765
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.400
man was not alive. This was probably not gonna end well.

766
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.400
So Tim stood up and he walked over to the

767
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.519
group of three women to explain what they had found.

768
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:54.000
But just about that moment, another paramedic yelled out, hey, man,

769
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.480
wait a minute, I think this might be workable. This

770
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.199
might be workable, and so Tim stopped what he was

771
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.280
doing and he went back over to the body, and

772
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.519
that's where they started to proceed. They felt like maybe

773
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.760
they could revive this guy. Now, his core temperature wasn't

774
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.320
quite low enough yet that they felt like he was

775
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.840
flat out dead, and so they decided they were going

776
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.159
to work this like a hypothermia cardiac arrest type situation.

777
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.559
They didn't know how long he had been down either,

778
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.199
and so they wanted to do everything that they could

779
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.880
and not just give up on this guy. His fingers

780
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.400
were white, white, white, and they were stiff with poor

781
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.119
blood flow, and so to just kind of give you

782
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.559
the visual, this just it wasn't good at all, but

783
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.320
they were going to try. So when Tim ran back

784
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.039
to the guy and he dropped down to his knees,

785
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.159
he grabbed an oxygen bag. He put it over the

786
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.519
man's mouth and he started to try to ventilate the

787
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.920
guy and pomp and give this guy oxygen while the

788
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.599
others started doing the CPR compressions. Now, with zero medical history,

789
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.639
you can imagine that it would be extremely difficult to

790
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.760
ascertain exactly what even like where to even start as

791
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.599
a diagnostic on this guy. I mean, they had nothing

792
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:05.440
to go off of it other than he's really cold

793
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.760
and in the snow. So as Tim was pumping that

794
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.519
oxygen mask. Manually, he looked up at the women and

795
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.400
he kind of focused on this petite, middle aged female.

796
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.800
She had long brown hair, and she was standing really

797
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.559
close to him. He also noticed in the moment that

798
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.559
he looked up that that woman had blood on her face.

799
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.239
Now what they would come to find out that the

800
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.440
blood on her face was actually from her attempting to

801
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.559
give CPR to the downed man before help even got there,

802
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.840
So hoping maybe she could shed some light on what

803
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.719
it was wrong with the man, considering she was willing

804
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.119
to get his blood on her face, Tim asked her, Hey,

805
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.159
do you know him? Do you know him? Like what's

806
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.599
happening here? But the woman was so extremely frazzled, she

807
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.320
was almost in shock that she was unable to give

808
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.159
much information. She was visibly upset, very shook by everything

809
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.679
that was going on. The scene was now very chaotic

810
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.199
with sirens and respet and everybody trying to ascertain what

811
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:06.000
was going on. So watching this woman, she was a

812
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.239
mix of pacing back and forth and then kind of

813
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.000
like running and pacing. Then at times she would just

814
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.400
bend over, almost like she was in physical pain. Just

815
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.519
she had her hands over her face, complete distress. She

816
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.760
would cover her mouth. She just put was in disbelief,

817
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.360
literal disbelief of what was what she was seeing. And

818
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.960
I'm gonna tell you it's very genuine what you see

819
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.360
in this woman. She is all out panicked. So Tim

820
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:37.079
is asking anybody, do y'all know what happened to him?

821
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.400
But no one was really saying anything. They didn't know

822
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.480
what happened, and so he just turned his direction back

823
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.119
to assisting and diagnosing him as best he could medically,

824
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.519
and just focused on trying to do his job. It

825
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.480
was kind of irrelevant at this point if nobody was

826
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.760
going to be able to give him a very direct answer.

827
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.639
So as they worked on this guy, they got him

828
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.239
on a stretcher and they rushed him into the ambulance.

829
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.039
And when he was loaded on the stretcher, despite there

830
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.840
being six inches of snow if not more, everywhere, there

831
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:11.920
was grass directly beneath where the man had laid, as

832
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.599
well as his cell phone was underneath him. My point being,

833
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.039
he wasn't It wasn't like he passed out in snow

834
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.039
because there wasn't any underneath him. He was flat on grass,

835
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.599
and then the snow had piled up around him. So

836
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.199
this indicated to them that, you know, he had been

837
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.760
there a long time for someone to be laying down

838
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.519
on the ground in snow. So they hooked his tongue back.

839
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.800
They prepared to intubate him, and they heard noises as

840
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.079
they were suctioning out his airway. Before they were intubating him,

841
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.119
some blood came out of his throat, mucus came out,

842
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.000
and so they stripped him down to remove all that

843
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.960
wet clothing. They put the heater on full blast to

844
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.199
try to warm him as best they could, along with

845
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.880
some other methods, but mainly trying to get him to breathe.

846
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:00.320
Now.

847
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.079
During their assessment, they did note that there was a

848
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:08.519
massive hematoma or a big bomp on his right eye.

849
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.559
He also had these deep but not bleeding scratches almost

850
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.639
from his shoulder, maybe his mid bicep area, I guess

851
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.360
you would say, down to about his wrist. He also

852
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.639
had some blood on the back of his head, but

853
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.039
the injury in that time was just unclear because of

854
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.679
everything that they were doing and because they weren't able

855
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.960
to necessarily roll him and check him head to toe.

856
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.679
So the ambulance drove as fast as it possibly could,

857
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.280
but it had to be cautious as well, so that

858
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.559
they could make it to the hospital without crashing. This

859
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.519
weather now was even worse. It was just deteriorating by

860
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.320
the moment. But they did eventually arrive at Good Samaritan Hospital,

861
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:51.079
where they gave report to the physician who would then

862
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.360
take over the man's care. It was not good at all, y'all.

863
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.599
The man's body temperature was only eighty degrees upon arrival.

864
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.440
So for reference, your body temperature should not drop below

865
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.719
ninety seven. Okay, once that occurs, you're now in There's

866
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.760
different stages of hypothermia, but once hypothermia starts, your body's

867
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.880
going to react in pretty negative ways. So if you

868
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.639
are ninety five degrees, you're considered to be at mild hypothermia.

869
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.960
If you're eighty nine degrees down to eighty two degrees

870
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.599
your moderate hypothermia. This man was at eighty degrees. He

871
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.079
was in severe hypothermia. And all of this matters because

872
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.760
once you get into that level, you're looking at severe

873
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.920
renal problems, cardiac problems. Your central nervous system is going

874
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.920
to suffer consequences as well. Because I mean, at first,

875
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.280
when you get cold, your body will start shivering in

876
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.320
an attempt to increase your core temperature. But this is

877
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.639
going to increase your heart rate, your respiratory rate, your

878
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.000
blood pressure and all of that. But when the body

879
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.480
drops below ninety five, the more it drops, the more

880
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.760
those reactions that your body does to try to save

881
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.800
itself they are going to diminish, and eventually they'll actually

882
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.280
just become inhibited, where your body can't do what it

883
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.920
needs to warm itself up. So while all of this

884
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:13.880
is going on, I mean, they are doing everything they

885
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.079
can to try to bring this guy's temperature up. People

886
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.880
who knew the man started to arrive to the hospital

887
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.159
and it became very clear, very quickly, based on everyone

888
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.239
showing up and talking, that the man that was lying

889
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.280
in the snow and non responsive in the early morning

890
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:36.159
hours was John O'Keefe. The three women who were tending

891
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.239
to him in the snow that morning whenever they called

892
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:44.079
nine to one one where his girlfriend, Karen Reid, Jennifer McCabe,

893
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:48.079
his old neighbor, and Carrie Roberts, the friend from high

894
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.360
school who had jumped in to help take care of

895
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:57.079
the kids. So Carrie, as you remember, she was very

896
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.719
good friends. Now with John's parents, they'd become very close

897
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.280
through all the tragedy and through taking care of the kids.

898
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.199
Well after the ambulance had taken John, Carrie called her

899
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.480
husband to let him know what had happened, and then

900
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.000
she knew, I've got to call John's parents. I have

901
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.119
to call his mother. But it was still very, very

902
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.599
very early in the morning, but that didn't matter to her.

903
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.360
She knew that she had to talk to his mom

904
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.239
and had talked to his mom now, So she called

905
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:26.360
and when the phone answered, she let them know, Look,

906
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.960
John's been in an accident and you need to get

907
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.840
to the hospital. And poor John's mother shrieked out over

908
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.239
that phone. Oh my god, I can't do this again.

909
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.559
I cannot do this again, because remember John's sister had

910
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.800
just recently died, and now this mama had another kid

911
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:53.679
that she might lose. It's just unbelievable. Well, while that

912
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.480
was kind of going on, I'm telling you things simultaneously,

913
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.679
the officers that were on the scene had put girlfriend

914
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.320
Care and old neighbor Jim McCabe in the back of

915
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.920
their cruisers so that the two women could warm up

916
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.159
and to try to help keep them calm and out

917
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.039
of the way, and that's when John was rushed off

918
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.000
to the hospital. Well, Karen got out of the police

919
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.519
unit at that point and she grabbed old friend Carrie's

920
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.800
shirt and she was screaming, is he dead? Is he dead? Carrie?

921
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.119
Tell me is he dead? And Carrie said no, Karen,

922
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.320
I don't think so. They were working on him. They

923
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.840
wouldn't work on him if he was dead. You know,

924
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.719
he's not dead. They wouldn't work on him. If he

925
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:35.239
was dead. They would have just left him. And was

926
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.760
just kind of clinging to the hope that maybe there

927
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.719
was a miracle in that he would survive. So Karen

928
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.039
jumped in Carrie's car and the two ladies drove to

929
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.679
go pick up John's parents to get them to the hospital.

930
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.400
Why did they go to get him, Well, John's parents

931
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.039
were kind of elderly as well as they weren't equipped

932
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.800
with a vehicle that could drive in this type of snow.

933
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.440
Plus they were stressed out and they were scared, and

934
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.119
so Karen knew that she needed to go help them

935
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:07.719
get from point A to point B. John's mom, while

936
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.000
they are going to pick them up, got on the

937
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.239
phone and she rang her other son Paul and said, Paul,

938
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.519
you've got to get to the hospital. Your brother John

939
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.559
has been in an accident. I don't know much else. Please,

940
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.320
you've got to get there now. Paul jumps out of bed.

941
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.360
All he did was throwing the clothes near him, brush

942
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.119
his teeth, and he jetted out the door. He wanted

943
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.760
to get to his brother, and he was thinking, you know,

944
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.280
John is tough. He's a police officer. I mean, hell,

945
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.880
he's been hurt before in the line of duty. Maybe

946
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.440
it's not as bad as it seems. Maybe he just needs,

947
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.840
you know, some extensive care. Maybe he's gonna make it.

948
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.360
I don't know if this was more of hope or

949
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.519
if this was Paul trying to just keep himself in

950
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.280
line with He had to get to his brother, and

951
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.440
his brother was gonna be okay. But he drove as

952
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.599
fast and carefully as he could to get to his brother.

953
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:55.000
Well.

954
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.039
Back in Carrie's vehicle, Karen grabbed her phone and she

955
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.920
called her own. She was freaking out. She was crying.

956
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.159
She said, Oh my god, if John dies, I'm going

957
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.840
to kill myself. I can't do this. If John dies,

958
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.920
I'm going to kill myself. Well, alarmed by this, Carrie

959
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.280
snatched the phone from Karen and she got on there

960
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.679
and she said John is not dead. He is on

961
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.360
his way to the hospital. They are working on him.

962
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:21.440
Well.

963
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:26.239
Karen's mom told Carrie, look, take her purse away from her.

964
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.400
She's got medicine in her purse because she's acting suicidal

965
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:31.960
and saying she's going to kill herself. Will you just

966
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.079
please take everything away from her. I don't want her

967
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.199
to hurt herself. She's in a panic. Don't let that happen. Okay,

968
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.719
I'll do that, Carrie thought, as she continued to drive.

969
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:49.880
In the meantime, the police got word that the girlfriend Karen,

970
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.880
was saying these things and that she wanted to hurt herself,

971
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.079
so they placed a call to the friend Carrie, who

972
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.280
was driving, and said, Carrie, can you please re turn

973
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.000
Karen back to the scene. We need you to bring

974
00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.119
her here because of her erraticness and that she's freaking

975
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.880
out and we don't want her to hurt herself. Carrie said,

976
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:14.000
no problem. Now this happened before Carrie made it to

977
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.719
get the parents, okay, So she turned around. She brought

978
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.599
Karen back to the scene, released her to the ambulance

979
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.000
that was waiting. There was another ambulance that had arrived,

980
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.880
and then she turned around to go and get the parents.

981
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.000
So I'm trying to make this kind of make chronological

982
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:35.320
order for you. So whenever, whenever Carrie got to the

983
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.039
parents' house, they were ready and waiting. They were dressed

984
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.679
and in the doorway, ready to go. They jumped in

985
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.639
Carrie's car and they drove to the hospital. It took

986
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.119
them a while to get there. I think it took

987
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.119
him like forty five minutes to an hour because of

988
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.559
the weather. So during that drive they were limited on information.

989
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.760
How was John, what had happened. Carrie was also limited

990
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.639
in information other than he was in the snow. We

991
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.079
tried to help him. The other issue was this was

992
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.840
still during COVID because of the restrictions. The parents were

993
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.320
worried they weren't going to be able to get into

994
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.960
the hospital. So what they did while they were driving

995
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.239
was they called another niece of John's mother. So basically

996
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.599
I guess it would be John's cousin. She worked at

997
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.639
the hospital, and so they thought maybe she could give

998
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:26.320
them more information about John. They also called a cousin

999
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.400
of John's who happened to be a nine to one

1000
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.480
one operator to see if she could give them more information.

1001
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:34.039
But all the nine one one operator cousin could really

1002
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:36.840
tell them was that, look, he was very, very cold

1003
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:38.840
when the call came in. They said he was needing

1004
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.400
to warm up. This was really bad. You know, he

1005
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.039
might have had hypothermia. But other than that, there was

1006
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.920
really no more in depth information that they could get.

1007
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:53.800
So about the time that that happened, the girlfriend Karen

1008
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.679
called friend Carrie, who's driving the parents from the ambulance,

1009
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.199
and she says, oh my god, God, I don't know

1010
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:04.119
what happened. I left him at the party. I don't

1011
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.800
know what happened. Like, how did this happen? Why was

1012
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:11.199
he in the yard? Well, John's mom is in the

1013
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.400
car hearing all of this, and she yells out, what

1014
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.360
do you mean you just left him? Well the dad,

1015
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.960
John's dad was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1016
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.079
He put his hands up. He's like, stop, stop, stop,

1017
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.159
this is too stressful. We don't know what happened. We've

1018
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:27.519
all got to calm down. And they hung up the

1019
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.800
phone and they just said, let's get to the hospital

1020
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.159
and figure out what's going on. But the longer that

1021
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:34.639
it took to get there, the dad became more distressed.

1022
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.320
At one point, he slammed his hands down on the

1023
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.119
dash of the car and was like, oh my god,

1024
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.039
he's gone. He's gone. They didn't actually know this, okay,

1025
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.880
but Dad was just becoming so overcome with emotion that

1026
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.840
he was starting to lose hope. That ride, like I said,

1027
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.800
took almost an hour, and it was it was just quiet,

1028
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.239
just painfully quiet. They didn't know what to say or

1029
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.159
what to do. But they eventually made it to the

1030
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.559
hospital and they were able to meet up with John's

1031
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:01.280
brother Paul.

1032
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:02.639
Well.

1033
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.199
When they were allowed to go into the hospital and

1034
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.039
someone grabbed Carrie and was like, I think you might

1035
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.079
want to go clean up in the bathroom. That's when

1036
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.719
Carrie looked down and she had blood on her arms

1037
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.480
and on her hands because she realized, oh my god.

1038
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.280
She didn't even notice it, but when she was trying

1039
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.119
to help John in the snow, she had gotten the

1040
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.159
blood all over her. She had even driven in the

1041
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.039
car with the blood on her arms while she had

1042
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.679
John's parents in the car. So she was led to

1043
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:32.840
a bathroom where she cleaned up. She kind of was

1044
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.159
thinking back through what had happened and how yeah, she

1045
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.360
had wiped blood from his face, and then at one

1046
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.800
point she had towels in her car when she was

1047
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.000
back at the scene when she first found John in

1048
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:44.559
the snow, and she had yelled out and said, get

1049
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.119
some towels, get some towels, bring them to me. There's

1050
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.320
some towels and blankets in my car. And if you

1051
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:50.880
listen to that nine one one call, you even heard

1052
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:54.599
the caller say, I'm not seeing towels, I'm not seeing blankets. Well,

1053
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.159
that's what had happened. In her mind, all she could

1054
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.360
think to do was to try to warm his head

1055
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.199
and warm him. And so she had gotten all those

1056
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:03.920
towels out of her car and was trying to pack

1057
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.679
them around him. But with nothing left to do now

1058
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.280
that she had washed off, but just wait, Karen became

1059
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:15.280
distressed and she asked a hospital worker, where is your chapel.

1060
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.199
I need to get to your chapel. They let her down.

1061
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.519
She went in and she dropped on her knees and

1062
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.920
she started to say a prayer for her friend who

1063
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:27.079
was in desperate need of a miracle. She said her

1064
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:33.159
prayer and she then walked out to where right before

1065
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:34.960
she had gone in, when she was washing her hands,

1066
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.480
a doctor Rice had summoned the family together and asked

1067
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.559
them to come back and talk to them in his

1068
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.320
doctor's office off to the side at the at the

1069
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:47.559
emergency room. Well, when she came out from the chapel,

1070
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:53.360
that's whenever the brother and the parents were now returning

1071
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:57.000
out of the doctor's office from the talk. Now, as

1072
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.960
this was happening, Carrie had won wanted to see John,

1073
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.360
and so she had walked in to try to comfort

1074
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:06.800
John into his room in any way that she could.

1075
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.119
And but once she stepped in, the site was just

1076
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:14.119
it was awful. John had on a net brace, there

1077
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.880
was blood on the gurney. The site was just really

1078
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.559
too much for her, and so she just had stepped

1079
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.840
out of the room. And that's whenever John's family all

1080
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.639
kind of appeared together. John's mom, Miss Peggy, was she

1081
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.039
was motherly, she was tender, but she used all of

1082
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.519
her strength to announce that despite all of the life

1083
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.719
saving measures that they had done, the doctor just broke

1084
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:45.199
the news to her that John was dead and that

1085
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.400
he would not be leaving the hospital. And it was

1086
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:52.320
just a gut punch to the soul of everyone that

1087
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.559
was standing there to say the least, the tears began

1088
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.920
to fall, and the reality that she had not lost

1089
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:02.280
just one child, but now two who was almost unbearable.

1090
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:03.880
You know.

1091
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.920
Don't also don't forget now that there are two children

1092
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.960
involved that had not only lost their mother, but then

1093
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.599
they lost their father, and now shortly thereafter, their uncle

1094
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:18.400
turned guardian of the last eight months was now dead

1095
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:23.000
as well. And perspective at this point, I think, is everything.

1096
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.239
And it's just mind blowing to me, even on my

1097
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:30.199
worst days, to think what people go through in this lifetime,

1098
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.400
and these children had experienced so much loss in such

1099
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:39.920
a short amount of time. It's almost unfair how things

1100
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:44.079
work well. The family once they broke the news, they

1101
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.159
wanted some privacy, and they wanted to walk in and

1102
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.000
they wanted to see John. So John's brother and parents

1103
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:54.119
were going to go file into the room to delay

1104
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.840
eyes on their son and their brother for one final time.

1105
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:02.599
And while they're walking towards that room, it was like

1106
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.719
nobody really knew what to think or what to say.

1107
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.239
He went to a house party and then he died

1108
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.320
in the yard somehow, like, how did this even happen?

1109
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.559
Make it make sense, you know, And they're all up

1110
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.039
in their head. They're walking towards the room. And as

1111
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.280
they're walking towards the room, they passed by Karen, who

1112
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.440
had been brought to the hospital by ambulance. She was

1113
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:28.039
still now absolutely hysterical. She was so hysterical that she

1114
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.440
was having to be restrained by hospital staff and medical personnel.

1115
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.239
And she was screaming out to the family in pain

1116
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:38.000
as they walk by, is he dead? Is he dead?

1117
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.559
My God? Tell me? Is he gone? Is he dead?

1118
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:43.920
And she's just screaming at them. But they were in shock.

1119
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.880
They're just trying to absorb it all in what's going on,

1120
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:49.920
And so they just kept walking in their own grief

1121
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.679
and in their own sadness. And they turned the corner

1122
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:56.159
and entered his room. So they walked up to their

1123
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:01.840
family member here, their son and their brother, and they

1124
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.360
looked him over closely, trying to wrap their minds around

1125
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:08.679
what could have caused this, because it literally didn't make sense.

1126
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.719
When they entered the room, it was quiet, There was

1127
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:16.000
no beeping, there was no busy sounds of machinery because

1128
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.480
it was no longer necessary. John was gone, and only

1129
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:24.000
his battered body really remained. So his brother Paul approached

1130
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.639
almost cautiously, not wanting to really take in what he saw.

1131
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:33.519
But John's appearance was beyond someone who was just cold

1132
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.280
and needing to be warmed up. What they had been

1133
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:43.599
told grossly understated the scene that they walked into. John's

1134
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.119
neck was stabilized, he had on a net brace. He

1135
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.480
still had the electrode pads stuck to his chest. Now

1136
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.960
they're not connected anything, but they were on his body.

1137
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.679
Both of John's eyes were black and purple, much looking

1138
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.840
like what you see like the mask on a raccoon.

1139
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.119
His eyes it spread from side to side, and it

1140
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.960
was black across his eyes, black and purple. And his

1141
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:15.800
eyes were so black and purple and swollen with blood

1142
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.280
that his brother thought it looked like there were golf

1143
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:24.239
balls underneath his eyelids pushing them up. They were that swollen.

1144
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.119
There was blood dripping from his eyes, blood dripping from

1145
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:32.239
his nose, and the pillow that John's led head lay

1146
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:38.519
on was also soaked in blood. And seeing really just

1147
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:41.000
this was all he could really see. While standing next

1148
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.159
to his brother, he kind of looked down at his

1149
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.159
arms and he noticed that there were scrapes and wounds

1150
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.400
on that right arm, lots of linear, almost scratch marks

1151
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:55.039
that were deep, and they went from his like I

1152
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.199
told you, like from his mid bicep down to his wrist.

1153
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.800
His right hand had a large bruise on it and

1154
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.480
it was on top of his hand, almost circular in shape.

1155
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.239
It extended from the from the where the wrist bends

1156
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.159
down to the first set of knuckles, and it covered

1157
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:16.760
the pinky finger to his ring finger. That whole area

1158
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.239
in those knuckles, like the whole thing was black. And

1159
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.320
it didn't take a rocket scientist in that moment to say, Okay,

1160
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.239
John didn't just freeze. He had been through some type

1161
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.239
of horrific trauma and he had been left for dead

1162
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:33.400
in the middle of a blizzard. So his mama held

1163
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.159
his held her baby boy's hand, and she cried as

1164
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.440
she looked him over. Just not prepared for all of this,

1165
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:44.000
and no mother should ever see her baby in that condition,

1166
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:48.079
but this was her reality. And while she's looking him over,

1167
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.599
she looked down at John's wrist, which was still wearing

1168
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:54.400
a blue rubber bracelet from his sister's death that he

1169
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.840
had worn every day since the day that his sister

1170
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:02.400
Kristen had died, he never removed it. Well, Mama Peggy

1171
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.039
gently removed that bracelet from her son's hand, and she

1172
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:09.599
immediately slid it onto her own wrist. This was now

1173
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.519
going to be her burden to bear. She was going

1174
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:16.840
to carry both John and Kristen as memories and not

1175
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:20.639
as current loves of her life. Her children. She went

1176
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:24.639
from instantly the mother of three to the mother of

1177
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:30.519
one in less than a year. And I want to

1178
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.639
tell you something real quick. I remember my mother in

1179
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.719
law telling me one time how horrible the question was.

1180
01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.159
After so, my husband had a brother who passed away.

1181
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:44.400
He was killed in voting accident, and someone came up

1182
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.199
to her after the accident that did not know her,

1183
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.519
was in a meeting or something, and she said, well,

1184
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.719
you introduced herself, and the woman said, well, how many

1185
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:56.440
kids do you have? And she told me that the

1186
01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:01.159
grief that stabs you in the chest when someone says

1187
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.280
how many children do you have? Because you don't know

1188
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:08.679
how to answer it, because I had two children. But

1189
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:10.480
then do you say I have one child or do

1190
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.039
you say I had I had to now I have one?

1191
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:14.719
And then if you say that, then what do I

1192
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.840
do explain that one's dead. I don't want to explain

1193
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.119
all of that. I don't want to say all of that.

1194
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.639
But if I say I had two children, then it's

1195
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:24.679
like ones not here, and I have to acknowledge that

1196
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.840
they lived and that he's real. You know, it's not

1197
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.800
you always have children, and that just I don't know.

1198
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:33.920
It's not lost on me how that must feel, the

1199
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.840
grief of that explanation of how do you go? How

1200
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.559
do you explain that to people? And this was just

1201
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.800
not once, but now twice that this woman had to

1202
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:48.280
live this reality. But now the main question became why

1203
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.119
was John in the snow? To begin with? How did

1204
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:54.119
he get there? And how the hell had he been

1205
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:59.360
injured so terribly based on everything that they knew so far.

1206
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.320
While in an effort to uncover the answers to all

1207
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.840
of these questions, it would soon become apparent that the

1208
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:10.239
blizzard that blew through would be nothing in comparison to

1209
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:13.760
the shit storm that was about to erupt in Boston

1210
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.360
that no weather man could ever predict