Megan's Law

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my own personal life and I feel
like I need to share it with you.

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But my daughter, my youngest daughter, she's seven, she came home

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yesterday and told me that her friend
told her that she thinks that her boyfriend

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Jamie, maybe using her just for
smoothie money. And I'm like, oh

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my god, here we go now. I just I can't have anyone in

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second grade treating my daughter this way. What I'm gonna do, Oh my

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goodness. But my little girl looked
me in my face and she's snapped me

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right back into and she said,
Mama, you don't know Jamie like I

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do, and he ain't no gold
digger. So I just thought i'd let

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y'all know, y'all be on the
lookout watch the news, because if Jamie's

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using my baby for her smoothie money, we might have a problem at the

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elementary school. I'm just playing,
but anyway, that's the drama in my

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life. I hope that your drama
is as not serious as mine is.

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But we're going to jump into a
pretty serious story today, and you know,

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I got to think him, Okay, a lot of laws that we

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have in terms of crime, right, my brain's always just going off out

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down rabbit holes and try and thinking
about things. And I was like,

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you know, a lot of laws
come about and I don't think that people

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know where they originated from. And
so I thought to myself self, you

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maybe you should do an episode on
some of these laws that people are familiar

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with or maybe they're not, but
where did it come from? And what's

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the story behind the law that came
to be? And so today's episode is

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going to be about Megan's Law.
If you've never heard of it, well

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I'm going to teach you all about
it. But this case was kind of

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one that kind of hit me in
the gut because, you know, it

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interests me why where they come from. But it also is part of the

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reason that we have broad sweeping changes
in our society when it comes to crime.

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And I thought that this one would
be an important one to share because

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there are people in our society that
pay a mighty cost, and that cost

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that they pay may result, you
know, in the loss of their lives

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and the loss of their children,
and they pay a huge cost for the

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changes that are made to benefit you
and me. And so this episode is

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obviously going to be dedicated to Megan's
law. So where does it start.

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So this takes place in nineteen ninety
four, and Megan Kenka was seven years

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old in nineteen ninety four, and
she lived at thirty two Barbara Lee Drive

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in Hamilton Township, New Jersey with
her parents, and their names were Maureen

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and Richard Kenka, and she also
had two other siblings. Now, Megan,

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y'all, was this feisty little thing. She loved to play outside.

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She was an outdoorsy kid, and
she was always outside riding her bike or

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playing or just you know, having
fun in the sunshine. And she loved

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the color pink. She was just
your typical, bubbly little seven year old

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girl that had not a care in
the world. She had this long brown

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hair and the biggest chubby cheeks and
these sweet little eyes, and she was

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just a cute little thing and she
was just always wanting to have fun and

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wanting to play. Now, one
of her favorite things to do though,

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it was to ride her bike.
And she really liked to chat with the

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people, like in her neighborhood.
She was a friendly little kid and she

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would she would talk to people as
she rode her bike. And this neighborhood

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was an average neighborhood. It was
like one that probably most of us live

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in. And like most of us, the Kinkas did not know every single

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person in their neighborhood, and a
lot of people don't. I'm lucky I

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live in a neighborhood where I actually
do know everyone, at least their names.

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I don't know that we hang out
or anything, but I know most

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of the people in my neighborhood.
And this neighborhood, though, was one

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where that everyone didn't quite know everyone
really well. But mainly it was just

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waving hello or nodding and you know, how are you doing as you walk

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by, you walk your dog,
you ride your bike, and just a

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nice neighborhood. Well as people went
on and just live their everyday lives.

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And they lived in a house.
Across the street there was an elderly lady.

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Her name was Miss Chiffeli and she
was seventy two years old, so

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an older lady. And then down
the street, Megan had a friend that

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she loved to play with. Her
name was Courtney and she would you ride

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her bike down there and she would
play from time to time. Now,

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remember this is in nineteen ninety four, so this is before you know,

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the huge scary events that have been
done against kids that have made the news

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in huge proportion, like they were
like you know, the Columbines of the

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world, or the sex trafficking.
You know, in the nineties, this

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wasn't something that was really broadcast all
over the internet or the news, And

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I think that people lived in a
much more an environment where they didn't quite

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realize the dangers that were out there
everywhere, especially at home. Right,

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you go home and you live there, and it should be a safe place.

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And I don't think that these parents
quite understood the threats that are out

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there constantly. And that's not their
fault. It was the nineties. Things

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were just a little bit different.
And in the nineties, I think those

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were probably the last generation of kids
to jump on our bikes and go ride

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off and be gone all day long. We drank from the water hose.

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And then things started changing in our
society. But back then, you know,

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little bubbly Megan, she was always
out and about doing her thing,

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and she was so bubbly even that
even their mailman, their longtime mailman.

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His name was Frank Ratkowis. He
had delivered mail to that neighborhood and to

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that house for twenty four years and
little Megan's only seven, so he has

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delivered mail her entire life. And
even he knew Megan because since he had

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been delivering the mail so long,
he had been talking to Megan when he

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would deliver the mail. And she
had recently let mister Frank in on a

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secret, okay, and that secret
was that she was waiting for a letter.

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It was going to come in the
mail, and she was super excited

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about this letter. And he was
said, who is going to write you

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this letter? Who is mailing you
a letter? And she said, it's

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my friend, and I cannot wait
to get it. You know, think

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about that excitement as a child,
when you were a little and you got

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something in the mail. I can
remember that, and that was like the

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ultimate. That was the coolest,
right because we didn't have text message in

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and all that. Back then,
you were getting a letter in the mail

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and she was checking the mail religiously
and she kept asking for it, and

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he said that excitedly she had for
a week straight said do you have my

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letter? Is my letter here?
And he said, no, not yet,

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Megan, but it's coming and when
I get it, I'm gonna give

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it to you girl, all right, mister Frank And she would just wait

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every day for that letter. Well, on July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety

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four, that is the day of
this event when it would start, and

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Miss Kenka came home and she decided
that she wanted to lay down and relax

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at the house right after work or
whatever she did that day. So it

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was about six thirty pm and she
went and she laid down to rest,

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and while she was resting, Megan
asked, can I go out and play

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down the street with Courtney? And
her mama said, sure, no problem,

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you can go play. I'll be
here. So after a while,

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Miss Kenka rested and then she got
up and she was going about her business

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and that's when she decided, you
know, it's getting kind of late.

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Megan hadn't come back in the house. Let me go find Megan. So

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she starts looking for Megan, as
most parents would do, and she's calling

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for and Megan is not answering her. So she becomes a little nervous and

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so she goes outside and she starts
asking the neighbors, hey, have you

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seen Megan? And nobody knew exactly
the last minute that they had seen Megan,

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but most of them kept echoing the
same sentiment that we saw Megan.

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She was just out here. We
saw her. She was riding her bike,

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and a lot of neighbor neighbors,
like a bunch of neighbors told miss

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Kanka that they had, you know, they had seen her in the neighborhood

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earlier a little while before, and
that they verified, yep, she was

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on her bike and she was riding
around the neighborhood and she was playing.

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So as Megan's family went house to
house to house to see where she was,

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neighbors started coming out to try to
help her find her because they became

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more and more nervous whenever time was
passing by and nobody could find Megan.

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So neighbors started coming out and helping
to look for her. And another neighbor

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that was in the neighborhood said that
he had seen Megan right before dinner,

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right before he went to go have
dinner, and that whenever he saw her,

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she was going through the neighborhood with
her friend Courtney, and so this

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neighbor's name was Jesse, and Jesse
was talking about how he had just bought

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a new boat and the boat was
in the driveway, and so he was

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cleaning up his boat, and the
girls had stopped by and were, you

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know, just saying hey and talking
about his boat. And his boat,

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by the name was called the Sun
Station, and the Sun Station was outside

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of the house, and he was
cleaning it and working on it, and

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so the kids were interested in the
new boat, and we're talking to him

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about it. Now. His name, like I told you, was Jesse,

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Tim and day Quass, or Tim
and day Quass, however you want

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to say it wherever you're from now. Jesse lived across the street. If

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you remember, I just told you
there was a seventy two year old name

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Miss Chiffelli that lived across the street. Jesse lived with Miss Chifelli along with

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two other grown men in that house. And so whenever, you know,

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they were outside, the kids were
used to seeing them and so they they

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would hit chat. It wasn't a
big deal. Now. Shortly after Megan's

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disappearance and after searching and Sir and
Megan not turning up anywhere, and the

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neighbors are looking and nobody can find
her. That's when Miss Kanka said,

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Okay, enough is enough. I've
got to call the police. And so

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she went ahead and made a call
into the police to say, oh my

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god, I cannot find my seven
year old daughter. Please help me now.

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When the police arrived at Barbaraly Drive, she was ready. She had

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a photograph of Megan, and she
also had a description of what Megan was

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wearing when she last saw her,
when she went out to play. So

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she gave all that to the police. And she also gave the police a

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pair of shorts that were not the
exact same, but we're very similar to

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the ones that Megan was wearing when
she disappeared. And so I thought I

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would tell y'all this too. On
a side note, it is always good

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to have a current photo of your
child with you at all times on your

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phone or at the house, a
picture you know that's current, because you

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never know when you're gonna need it, and it never fails at places,

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kind of like if you go to
Disney World or you go on vacation,

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you're at the beach and your kid
goes missing. Take a picture when y'all

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go on these trips so that you
have literally what the kid is wearing and

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looks like at that exact moment to
share with police, because it's a very

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helpful thing when you know exactly what
they're wearing. Now, when the police

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got there, it was Hamilton Township
Patrol Officer Paul Seats and Officer Mike Smith

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that arrived at their residence, and
they got there at about eight forty nine

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pm. So Meghan's mom had said, yes, you can go out,

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and she had left the house around
you know, six thirty. It's now

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eight forty nine, so it really
hasn't been that long in terms of,

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you know, a kid outside playing, but it's horrible, horribly long whenever

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it's your kids can't find where could
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hours, So, after searching the
Kanka's house and property because the police wanted

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to make sure she wasn't hiding and
under a bed or locked in a closet

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or something like that, they went
out and said, yeah, we need

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to start talking to the neighbors.
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neighbors, and Officer Seats spoke with
that neighbor across the street. Jesse the

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one who had been cleaning his boat, and he asked him, hey,

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have you spoken to Megan? And
he said, yeah, I did,

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and a lot of the other neighbors
verified yeah, he was out cycleaning the

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boat he spoke to Megan. So
they knew that she had been there and

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had an approximate timeline, and they
said, okay, well when did you

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last see Megan? And he said
he saw Megan riding her bike around two

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thirty pm that day. Well,
that kind of conflicted with what everybody else

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was saying as far as the timeline
goes, because the neighbors were giving a

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later timeline than what Jesse was giving. But people make mistakes, and so

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the police said, let me ask
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exactly when you last saw Megan?
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at two thirty and then he said, oh, yeah, I also saw

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her riding her bike in front of
her house and that was more around five

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thirty to six. So the police
were kind of intrigued by that that he

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kind of got the last time he
saw Megan. So they continued to question

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Jesse, and you know, they
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it just was a conflict in the
timeline, and so they started asking about

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who else lived in the home with
him, and that's when he said,

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oh, yeah, there's two other
guys that live here with me and miss

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Chaffelli. So Jesse explained to the
police officers it's me, and then it's

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miss Chaffelli's adult son. His name
is Joseph Chaffelli. And then there's another

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guy named Brian Jennen and so all
right, maybe it's kind of a different

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dynamic. Three adult men, one
elderly woman, but hey, it's her

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older son, adult son, and
two of his friends. You know,

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maybe they're helping around the house or
whatever, and it's making her life easier.

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So they started questioning about Joseph and
Brian, the two friends, and

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said, well, where were they
around this time? And Jesse actually had

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an alibi for him. He said, well, they were not here.

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They were actually out shopping together five
thirty and seven. They were out,

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they weren't even here, and said
the police were like, okay, so

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could they couldn't validate where Meghan was
last seen and he's like, no,

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they wouldn't know because they weren't here. So the officer was like okay,

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well, you know that makes sense, but nothing else was really standing out

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to the police as something that they
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it now is about ten pm and
there's four officers that approach the Chiffelli home

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and the reason that they went was
that they wanted to try and obtain consent

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to search the house. So this
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You got go cut a warrant,
you know, it's your probable cause and

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all that. They walked up and
said, hey, would you mind if

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we come and we look and search
the house for Megan. Well, mister

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Chiffelli the sun was like, yeah, no problem, absolutely, no problem

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whatsoever. He let them in the
house. He agreed and said you can

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search it. He said, you
can also search my yard, you can

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search the boat, you can search
anything on the property and look for Megan

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because you're not here. And they
found that to be true. The police

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searched everything and they never found Megan. She wasn't there. They didn't even

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have like a hint of her being
there. Now during that search, one

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of the officers, his name was
Officer Nelson, which is taking note of

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things that he did notice around the
home and he did notice that there was

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a big, heavy, brown blanket
that was being washed in the washing machine,

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but I mean whatever, we all
washed our blankets. And while he

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did think it was kind of unusual
and it was like a big, big

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blanket that was being washed, none
of the residents at the home were considered

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to be suspects and so the police
kind of poopoed that idea and they kept

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on their search trying to find where
Megan could possibly be. Now time goes

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on, it's now twelve thirty am
and Megan has still not been found,

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and no one has had a hint
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two detectives on the case, their
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came on the scene. And then
there was another detective, Sergeant Stanley that

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showed up. So they really were
working this case hard because y'all, kids

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can't go missing. Adults have every
right to not answer the phone and go

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missing, but anyone who's a child
like this, who can't take care of

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themselves themselves, this is a big
ordeal. We need to we need to

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make sure that they're found. And
so all of these detectives show up and

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they did get Chiffelli to sign consent
for them to look at the home again.

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They just felt like, almost in
their gut, that they needed to

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go back to this house and look. So Jenin Chiffelli and Jesse Tim and

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Deequas were also at this point separated
and they were questioned individually and in different

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areas to try to see what are
their stories and do they line up.

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So while they're being questioned, the
house is being searched, and that O'Dwyer

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found what he said appeared to be
four pairs of women's underwear and one of

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them had a Teddy Bear pattern on
it. And where they found it was

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pretty suspicion because they found it under
Chiffelli's bed. So they're like, oh

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god, you know, here's Teddy
Bear underwear under his bed. Why does

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a grown man have underwear under his
bed? Based on this discovery, the

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officer came out. He went ahead
and read mister Chiffelli his Miranda rights and

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wanted to question him. So he
comes out, you have the right to

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remain silent. Anything you say,
Kennon will be used against you in a

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court of law. You have the
right to an attorney if you cannot afford

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when one will be provided for you. Do you understand your rights? Well,

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Chiffelli not only agreed, yep,
I understand my rights, he waived

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his rights to remain silent and said, I'll talk to you. I'll tell

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you anything you want to know.
Extremely helpful, and he explained, Yeah,

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that underwear is under my bed.
It belonged to an ex girlfriend of

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mine. It just was under the
bed. There's nothing about that. It's

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not it's not even a kid's underwear. Well, O'Dwyer went back and looked,

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really really looked at the underwear really
well and said, you know,

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actually, I think I do agree
with him. This is adult sized and

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it doesn't seem to have any connection
to Megan's disappearance. She's seven. These

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are big underwear. It wouldn't have
fit her anyway. So Chiffelli also gave

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the officers an alibi and was even
able to provide receipts proving that he and

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Jennen were not at the home that
the time that Megan disappeared. And receipts

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are pretty damning, you know,
I mean, you can't be in two

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places at one time, you know. Now, again, it's the nineties,

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so I know someone's gonna say,
well, why don't they just go

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check the cameras. It's the nineties, don't forget that. So I also

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wanted to explain this. So sometimes
the word alibi sounds like you're lying,

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you know, in the film,
well what was his alibi? You know,

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it sounds like what is your you
know, what are you going to

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try to make up to say that
you weren't where you were supposed to be.

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But I want to make sure everybody
understands alibi does not mean a lie.

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It just means an explanation of what
you were doing at the time in

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question, which makes it impossible for
you to have been there. You know.

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It's just basically offering an excuse,
but one that can be either validated

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or not validated. Well, theirs
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So then the officers moved on and
they went and they interviewed Brian Jennen,

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the other man, and they did
not read him his Miranda rights. And

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I know you're gonna be like,
what they you know, they're breaking the

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law. Well, no, they
didn't read him as miranda rights because according

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to those detectives, they didn't find
anything suspicious in Jennen's room, there was

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nothing there to make them feel like
he was going to be questioned in an

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accusatory you know, fashion or anything
like that. They were just trying to

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obtain information from him. And Jennen's
account also aligned with Chiffelli's that they did

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not divulge at any diverge at any
point. They totally lined up with what

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the other one was saying. So
after they questioned Chaffelli and Jennen, the

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officers then called Jesse into the room. He was not read his Miranda rights

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either, because, same as the
other fella, they didn't find anything in

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his room that seemed suspicious, and
there was nothing in the house that seemed

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suspicious, and they were just trying
to get additional information that these guys might

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have in reference to where Megan could
be, and the other two had no

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clue. Jesse explained that, look, I don't know where she is.

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I had gone out that day with
Jennin and Chaffelli and that's when we went

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to purchase the boat. Then when
I got home, I parked the boat

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in the front of the house and
I did speak to Megan. I'm not

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going to deny that they asked him, well, how did you even know

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Megan? He said, she was
just a neighborhood child. She was.

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I knew her just from playing in
the neighborhood and she and her friend Courtney,

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you know, both between five five
thirty that day. We're talking to

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me while I was washing the boat. And that's about it. There's nothing

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more to it. Jennin and Chiffelli
could not confirm or deny the claim,

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because again, they really were out
running errands at the time that all of

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this would have occurred. So as
the questioning continued, Officer A. Dwyer

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noticed something about Jesse that kind of
raised his HM flag. You know what

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I'm talking about, hmm, that
gut. And it has to do with

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body language. And I know,
if you are new and you haven't listened

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to previous episodes, no worries,
go back and listen to nineteen Day Devil,

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because I explained this. But body
language is everything when you're questioning somebody,

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and when you're questioning somebody who has
nothing to hide, body language should

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be open. Okay. I don't
mean you're like splayed out in a chair

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necessarily with your legs open, you
know what I mean. But you're comfortable,

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you're seated, you're talking. You
might be leaning in and listening and

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absorbing the information and giving back,
you might be recalling. But Jesse's behavior

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and body language was a little different
because it was noticeable to Adwire that Jesse

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was shaking. He was physically shaking
while he was talking to the officer,

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and he also noticed that he was
perspiring heavily during this questioning. It wasn't

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even like he was attacking him in
the questioning. It was just like an

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interview, like where were you?
What were you doing? And he is

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physically shaking and heavily perspiring. Now, in and of itself, that might

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not mean anything. Maybe you shake
because you have Parkinson's. Maybe you sweat

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a lot because you're fat and overweight
and sweating is something that happens to you.

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Or maybe you sweat because you're really
skinny and you have a diabetic issue

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in your sugar is dropped. There's
a million reasons why people of anybody's type

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might shake or they might perspire.
But it is quite interesting that we're asking

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you about a missing child and you
are shaking and sweating, and the other

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ones aren't right, Like, which
one of these is different. So I

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spoke to a lot in that Dakota
terrya case about his body language and how

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he behaved in that seat. Remember
like the grooming behaviors and all of that.

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And one thing that Jesse did that
might sound familiar to you is that

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whenever the detective started questioning him a
little bit more, and if you're watching

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me podcast right now, he crossed
his arms like this if you're looking at

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me, so he crossed him across
his chest and he was kind of holding

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himself, which, if you remember, that is a comfort that's a comforting,

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soothing behavior that people do, but
it's also a barrier that people set

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up between themselves and the person and
questioning them. Even though it's not necessarily

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a real barrier, it's still a
barrier and it makes you feel like you're

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a little more safe. So the
officer decides, or the detective decides to

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kind of close his proximity to Jesse. And remember Detective Awden did that too

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when he got into detective room.
He kind of would lean in close,

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was off that space, not give
you that, you know, personal space

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that people want. And whenever he
sat down closer next to Jesse, Jesse

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not only had his arms crossed,
but Jesse then crossed his legs and then

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turned his body away from the detective. And that is closing yourself off.

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And it's kind of strange when someone's
talking to you to turn your body away

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from them, right, Why would
you turn away from someone who's talking to

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you. And we all know this
if we are Unspeakable fans, And it's

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because you are trying to get away
from the person asking you the questions.

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You're trying to create distance and close
yourself off to what is being asked.

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And so that detective noted that,
y'all, detective work is not just like

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a science. There is an art
to it and you have to know what

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you're doing. And that's why experience
is so necessary to become a detective.

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Right. Well, based on Jesse's
account of what happened that day come by,

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with his level of nervousness and the
confirmation that he himself gave that he

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was alone at the time of Megan's
disappearance at the house, nobody else was

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there, the officers felt like,
you know what, I think, maybe

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we need to question him just a
little bit more. Everyone's pointing at Jesse,

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00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.359
even his roommates weren't there, and
he looks nervous, af right,

409
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.559
something is up. So they say, you know what, Jesse, we'd

410
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.039
really like to interview you some more. But y'all they wanted to do it

411
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.599
on their own turf, okay,
they wanted to raise that discomfort level.

412
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.559
And so they asked Jesse, hey, would you mind coming on down to

413
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.440
headquarters with us. We would just
like to interview you a little bit more

414
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.039
in depth down at the station so
that we can, you know, we

415
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.039
can record it and have a record
of everything that occurs. And Jesse says

416
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.920
sure, no problem. So the
officers are like, come on, come

417
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.640
with us, we'll bring you.
But then Jesse pipes up and says,

418
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.319
no, I think I want to
drive myself. I don't want to ride

419
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:03.720
with you. Okay, no problem. Oh. So the officers said,

420
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:10.279
we're going to follow you to,
you know, to the questioning site so

421
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:11.920
they can keep their eyes on him, right, So he says okay,

422
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:17.519
and he does. He complies.
He drives all the way to headquarters to

423
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.759
speak with them, and at this
point the officers really felt like they did

424
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:26.160
not need to speak with Chiffeli or
jenin the roommates anymore because just based on

425
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:32.000
the way Jesse was reacting and behavior
behaving, their red flag they're ding ding

426
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.880
ding. Their flags were just raised, right, So they did not ask

427
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.599
the other two to come and speak
at the station. So when they get

428
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:45.160
there, it's now approximately two fifty
in the morning. When they get there,

429
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.440
Jesse is read his Miranda warnings at
this point because now it's a little

430
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.200
more official. We want to make
sure that you know that you have the

431
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.640
right to remain silent and all that
jazz. They followed all of the rules

432
00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.039
to a t and they even had
Jesse sign a form willingly that stated he

433
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.359
understood his rights, but he was
going to completely and totally waive his right

434
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.599
to remain silent, which sounds good, right. He even said, I

435
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.720
don't even want a lawyer. He
said, I'll talk and I don't need

436
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.920
a lawyer. I don't have anything
to do with this. And he said,

437
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:22.400
I want to help in any way
that I possibly can. Now I

438
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.119
want you to think about this too. It's two thirty in the morning.

439
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.720
At two fifty in the morning,
she has been missing. Little Megan has

440
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.440
been gone since about six thirty the
night before the gut wrenching horror that that

441
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:40.480
family must have been feeling that their
baby girl is missing and everyone saw her

442
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.920
but no one can find her must
have been the most sickening feeling ever.

443
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.319
A neighbors had been out looking for
her. Hell, even Jesse was out

444
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.480
there looking for her, and they
could not find her. There was no

445
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.759
trace of her anywhere. And I
know my mind as a mom is like,

446
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.359
oh my god, did someone pick
her up in a car, throw

447
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.400
her in a car and take off
with her. The only thing that would

448
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.079
make me think no at this point
was that the parents did find her bicycle.

449
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.519
But you know where they found the
bicycle in their front lawn. It

450
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.799
wasn't like she ditched it down at
Courtney, her friend's house. She wasn't

451
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.759
knocked off of it, and they
found it a few blocks away. It

452
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.079
was in their front yard. He
was right there, so she must have

453
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.880
laid it down and got off of
it. And she didn't look like she

454
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.240
was hit. So where did she
go? Where could she have gotten to

455
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.119
on her own two feet? So, like I said, it's two fifty

456
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.640
in the morning, and the detectives
decided to switch gears with Jesse at this

457
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.160
point, and they say, look, we want you to give us a

458
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.319
written statement, and we want to
know all of your whereabouts on the twenty

459
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.920
ninth, which was the night before
the day before, we want to know

460
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.799
all of your whereabouts. Where were
you, what did you do? Just

461
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.039
outline it for us, be as
clear as possible. Give us times,

462
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.920
approximate times if you can, and
just give us anything and everything that you

463
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.799
did that day so that we can
you know, pretty much sclued you as

464
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.920
having anything to do with this,
and he says, no problem. Incredibly,

465
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.920
he sat down and he wrote the
statement, and when they got it,

466
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.160
they're reviewing it and the detectives are
like, wait a minute, the

467
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:22.880
written statement is conflicting with what he
previously had stated he did that day.

468
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.599
So something about that is this,
if you're telling the truth. My dad

469
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.240
always said this to me, If
you're telling the truth, don't you never

470
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.400
have to forget what you said because
the truth is the truth is the truth.

471
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.559
You may be awful a little bit
on because of perception of things maybe,

472
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.640
but if you're telling the truth,
things should never change dramatically, correct

473
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.000
like ours should not change, or
what you were wearing shit and change.

474
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.480
I mean, you know where you
were and what you were doing within reason,

475
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:55.119
And something in particular that caught their
eye was that Jesse wrote that he

476
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.079
had seen a victim a second time
on the twenty ninth, which he remembered,

477
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.599
did not originally state he had seen
her a second time. He came

478
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.240
back later and said it. But
now he's saying, oh, I saw

479
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:13.039
her at six thirty, but that
was not the time he gave before.

480
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.319
Now it's even later than he said
that he actually saw her. He had

481
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.240
previously told the detectives he had only
seen her once by his boat. Then

482
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.279
he said, or riding her bike. Excuse me. Then he's like,

483
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.480
oh, yeah, I spoke to
her by my boat. And now all

484
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:34.160
of a sudden, there's a four
hour difference between when he originally said that

485
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.039
he saw her and then when he
last said that he saw her. And

486
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.279
now it's starting to get a little
too fuzzy. That's a big difference between

487
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:45.759
two thirty and six thirty. You
cannot be off that much in your timeframe.

488
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.079
So they questioned him some more,
and they're asking a little bit more,

489
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:57.400
and it's now about four o'clock in
the morning, and Jesse signs a

490
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.759
form consenting to a search of his
vehicle so they don't need a warrant if

491
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.279
he's going to consent and say,
sure, go ahead and search it.

492
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:12.400
There's nothing in my vehicle of any
of importance. So Detective Dwyer goes and

493
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.039
he starts looking through the car,
and he's checking for latent fingerprints. By

494
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.320
the way, if you don't know
what latent means, it means it's not

495
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.639
seen by the naked eye. A
latent print has to be developed, okay.

496
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.920
And he's looking for these fingerprints,
and while he's looking in the car,

497
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.800
he finds a brown toy chest and
he finds a piece of a black

498
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:39.960
belt in the back of the pickup
truck. Now Jesse was standing there,

499
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:45.320
he was present while they were searching
the vehicle, and he's not even asked

500
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.119
any questions. He just pipes up
real quickly and immediately volunteers that, oh

501
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.519
and by the way, I recently
cut my hand on the curtain rod that

502
00:34:53.679 --> 00:35:00.000
hung in front of the glass that
separated the passenger and the cap portion of

503
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.559
the truck, So just know that. And the detectives kind of turned around

504
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:14.079
and were like, okay, like
why would you say that randomly? But

505
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:19.639
was even stranger about it was that
he did have an injury on the palm

506
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.079
of his hand, but they did
not find any blood or skin or anything

507
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:29.239
on the curtain rod. So he's
volunteering that he cut his hand on a

508
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:35.119
curtain rod. But then there's absolutely
zero DNA or blood or anything to verify

509
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.920
what he is saying. It just
seemed odd. But while it was strange,

510
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.320
again, it doesn't necessarily prove anything. I mean, after all,

511
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.960
they found no blood, and he
did cut his hand, and he showed

512
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.840
that he cut his hand. So
you know, it's four am, and

513
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.119
y'all, the family still has no
sign of Megan. They have looked feverishly

514
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:59.920
for her. It's getting pretty sick
in their household, and she simply had

515
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.000
vanished. She was nowhere to be
found. And the search of Jesse's vehicle

516
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.920
was completed, and he was allowed
at that point to leave headquarters, even

517
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:14.079
though everything he's doing is kind of
like going I don't know, man,

518
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.559
it's kind of weird. They don't
have anything to go off of, and

519
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.960
you've got to have probable cause to
go forward. And you are allowed to

520
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.039
cut your hand in the United States
of America in your car, you're allowed

521
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.599
to cut it on a curtain rod. You're allowed to wash your boat,

522
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.519
you're allowed to speak to children.
Nothing he's done while his behavior is suspicious.

523
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.320
Nothing he's done is like saying,
yes, you've done something to this

524
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.159
little girl. But he did promise, hey, if you need me,

525
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.920
I will return tomorrow for further questioning. So there's another detective, Martin Ingebrandt,

526
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.480
and he was called into headquarters around
five thirty that morning because they said,

527
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.119
look, we want you to come
in and see if you can help

528
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.960
us with this can't cut investigation.
This girl is gone and we don't have

529
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.159
any leads. So about two hours
later, it's about seven am, Inga

530
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:07.000
Brandt was sent to Jesse's house and
this time he wanted to go ahead and

531
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.760
get the consent to search the boat
in the yard. He specifically wanted to

532
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.039
look at the boat. So Chiffelli, who owns the property, answers the

533
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.320
door and he says, no problem, you can absolutely have consent and you

534
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.800
can go check the boat. And
so they head out there and they're looking

535
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.280
for fingerprints to try to validate was
Megan here or not. So Detective inga

536
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.320
Brant walks over there and he's at
the boat and he's starting to conduct his

537
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.159
search. But just because he's searching
the boat doesn't mean that he's not aware

538
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.079
of his surroundings and things that are
going on around him. And so he

539
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.199
makes a note, a mental note
at this time that he sees Jesse out

540
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.119
and he's walking up and down the
road and he is walking a puppy dog.

541
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.280
He has a little puppy with him
and he's taking him for a walk.

542
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.400
So a few minutes later, inga
Brant again looks up and he notices

543
00:37:54.519 --> 00:38:00.760
that there are three garbage cans between
the curb, between the curb and the

544
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.119
side of the boat, and strangely, they weren't there when he first walked

545
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.639
over to the boat. They had
been placed there since he went to look

546
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.480
at the boat, and that kind
of peaked his interest. Why are three

547
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.840
trash cans now all of a sudden
out at the road. So the officers

548
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.800
on scene again obtained Chaffelli's consent,
and they wanted to search the garbage.

549
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.880
They wanted to see what was in
it. So about nine to fifteen that

550
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.880
morning, the officers were turned to
headquarters and that's when they started sorting through

551
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:36.119
garbage. And wow, what a
want a thing to get to do at

552
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.400
nine thirty in the morning, is
digged through somebody's garbage, right, But

553
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.719
nothing was taken from the boat.
They didn't find anything in the boat.

554
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:50.559
As they're looking through the garbage,
the officers did come across three items that

555
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.320
seemed a bit suspicion. Number one, they found a rope and it had

556
00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.320
some knots tied in it, like
a several knots, and they had a

557
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.679
substance on it that looked a whole
lot like dried blood. M maybe we

558
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:12.199
need to check that. They also
found just the waistband of a small pair

559
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.320
of pants that appeared to be for
a child child size. And then they

560
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.400
also found a piece of material in
that trash bag that matched the material on

561
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:28.039
the waistband of the shorts. And
this was kind of like, oh gosh,

562
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:34.519
right, why is this here.
So a little more time has gone

563
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.280
by. It's now twelve seventeen PM
on thirtieth, so it's the next day.

564
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.480
It's only been not even twenty four
hours yet, and detectives called Jesse

565
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.360
in again and they say, look, we want to ask you some more

566
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.039
questions. So they continue to question
him. He does show up and they

567
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.920
ask him again, look, I
know you've told us this, but we

568
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.840
want you to write your statement again
detailing what you you did on the twenty

569
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.400
ninth one more time. If you
could just run through that for us one

570
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.320
more time so that we can make
sure that we haven't missed anything. And

571
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.920
the detectives waited outside of the room
while he wrote his statement, and to

572
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:13.760
me, I'm adding that in just
to let you know, there was no

573
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.960
pressure on behalf of the police officers. They weren't standing over him, like

574
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.320
making him sweat it out or anything. They said, here's some paper,

575
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.400
here's a pen, take your time, write it all out for us so

576
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.880
that we make sure you don't forget
anything. And then they wanted to review

577
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.920
the statement. Well he did,
and then when they got the statement,

578
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:37.480
there were more glaring differences between the
first and the second statement. And again,

579
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.400
y'all, the truth never changes,
so it's super odd that he might

580
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.639
make a mistake once, but now
twice you're making timeline changes and issues with

581
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:53.400
what's happened. Coincidences don't happen in
police work, they just don't. So

582
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.840
the detectives noticed that in his statements
when they're comparing the two of them,

583
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.960
that he is so focused on the
time of six and six thirty. He

584
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.960
just keeps going back to between six
and six thirty, six and six thirty,

585
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.199
and he's almost like he's highlighting that
period of time so much so that

586
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.840
he mentions it three or four times
in the statement, and detectives had not

587
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.480
even asked him about that specifically,
So why does he keep going back to

588
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:27.639
this specific time frame? So,
considering this as a flag, they start

589
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.239
questioning him harder, and they got
really direct with him in these questions,

590
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:38.880
and at one point, a detective
shows Jesse a photograph of the clothes that

591
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:43.639
they pulled from the trash pile.
I remember it was a waistband and a

592
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.480
piece of cloth, and Jesse says, yeah, that was mine. He

593
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.400
said, those are rags from my
job. And that has nothing to do

594
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.920
with Megan. It's rags from my
job. We use torn up rags.

595
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.559
I don't know why you're making a
big deal out of this, but there

596
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.840
was only one problem Jesse about the
rags from his work. The problem was

597
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:09.559
that at ten am earlier that morning
that same day, detectives had brought those

598
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.400
pieces of clothing, those little pieces
of it, from that trash to the

599
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:22.599
Kenka's house, and Miss Kenka,
with absolute horror in her heart, confirmed,

600
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.679
oh my god, those are the
shorts that Megan was wearing when she

601
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:34.159
left the house. So Jesse now
has himself in a bind because the police

602
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.599
already know that they're megan shorts.
And I don't know about you, but

603
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.599
as a mother of girls, and
as a girl myself, a man who

604
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:47.079
can't get his timeline straight my missing
seven year old, and now her undergarment

605
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:53.599
or her shorts that cover her private
areas are not only in your trash can,

606
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.960
but cut to shreds. I don't
know how you could possibly think anything

607
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.880
other than what I'm thinking right now, which is, oh my god,

608
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:09.679
he raped her. So the police
continue to question Jesse until about six thirty

609
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:16.280
five that evening. It has now
been exactly twenty four hours since Megan was

610
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:24.480
reported, or about twenty four hours
since Megan was missing. Okay, all

611
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:31.239
right, So police continued to question
Jesse until about six thirty five PM,

612
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.559
which is almost twenty four hours since
the last time that she was seen.

613
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.840
They did give him and I want
to be completely transparent here, they did

614
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:46.440
give him two twenty to twenty five
minute breaks during this questioning, so that

615
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.159
he could. You know, no
one can argue that he was just being

616
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.079
pounded with questions and never given a
chance to regroup or or you know,

617
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.280
being emotionally toiled with. Here.
They gave him two almost thirty minute breaks,

618
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.000
but they did make him stay in
the conference room the entire time.

619
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.320
They didn't let him go out and
catch a cigarette or anything like that.

620
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:10.000
And towards the end of this period
of the questioning, at about six thirty

621
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:16.880
pm, six twenty pm, that's
when randomly Jesse says, Hey, I'd

622
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.280
like to speak to my roommate,
Jennen. And they said, you want

623
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.880
to speak to your roommate. Yeah, So they oblige him. They said,

624
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.519
okay, fine, So they went
and got Jennin and they brought him

625
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.599
and they brought him into the room. Now there was also a detective in

626
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.559
there as well. So Jennen spoke
first, saying to Jesse, and this

627
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.199
is a direct quote, they got
you. They got you, bro,

628
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:49.199
They got you. Now I want
to I want to ask you something real

629
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.320
quick. Why would you if you're
someone's roommate and good friend, walk in

630
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.159
and the first thing you say to
your roommate is they got you. It

631
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.119
makes me feel like he knew what
type of roommate he had. That's the

632
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.159
first thing. He says. They
got you, they got you, they

633
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.000
got you. And then he says, you're going to need a friend on

634
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:15.360
the outside, and I'll be that
friend, which again I don't quite understand

635
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:22.599
that, And in response, Jesse
looks at him and then he drops his

636
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.320
head. He just drops his head
down. He looks back up, and

637
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:36.199
he said she's in Mercer County Park. He admits he did get her and

638
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:44.159
he dumped her in Mercer County Park. He then goes on and starts telling

639
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.000
the detectives that Megan was dead and
that he had put a bag over her

640
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.920
head. Now, I'm gonna go
ahead right now and call bullshit. You

641
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.159
don't just be cleaning your boat and
then randomly put a bag on a little

642
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.119
girl's head and her dead. Something's
not that'll make sense. So obviously what

643
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.920
he's doing here is he's trying to
self preserve self preservation. He's given up

644
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.920
some information that he feels like we'll
get them off of his back, but

645
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:14.199
he is not giving the full details
here. I just put a bag over

646
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.960
her head. Why would you put
a bag over her head? And how

647
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.840
long did you have to put a
bag over her head to kill her?

648
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.400
What are you talking about? But
at that moment, they just wanted to

649
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.000
know, Okay, where is she? So he made the confession and then

650
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.519
he says, okay, yes,
I'll show you where she is. So

651
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.719
police put him in the car and
they drive him to the park where he

652
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.119
says that she is. And once
they got there, he gets out of

653
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:44.280
the car and he walks directly to
little Megan's body and there she lay lifeless.

654
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.840
She was lying in some tall weeds
that were concealed from the view of

655
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:53.519
the road, and she did actually
indeed have a plastic bag over her head.

656
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.599
He actually was telling the truth on
that. So while they're riding back

657
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:06.400
to head quarters, that's whenever the
officers question him and say, tell us

658
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.920
what happened. I need you to
tell me exactly what happened. And so

659
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.840
he starts talking to them and he
does tell them what happened. But he

660
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:22.800
gets back to headquarters and he gives
a written statement again of what he says

661
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.239
really happened. This time it was
about seven thirty pm whenever he does this,

662
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.280
and in that statement he says the
following happened. He says it was

663
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:37.920
the twenty ninth. Megan wanted to
see Jesse's puppy, and so she came

664
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.599
over to Jesse's house while the roommates
were gone. He then said that he

665
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.760
brought Megan into the bedroom and I'm
going to tell you that this is this

666
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.320
is difficult, okay, because I
know this is a little girl, But

667
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.039
my job is to tell you the
truth of what happened. Laws were changed

668
00:47:54.159 --> 00:48:00.440
because of what happened here. So
Jesse says he brought Megan into the bedroom

669
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:07.760
and he started to quote unquote touch
her. Little Megan started screaming and immediately

670
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.800
tried to get away from him.
He says that he became afraid at that

671
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.440
point that she was going to tell
her mother, and so he grabbed her.

672
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.400
And when he grabbed her because she
was trying to get away, he

673
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.639
said that was whenever he ripped her
shorts. He said he then grabbed a

674
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:30.159
belt and he put that belt around
little seven year old Megan's neck and he

675
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:36.679
started pulling her back into the room. And then he says that she fell

676
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.320
and she started to bleed. So
he said to stop the bleeding and to

677
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.239
prevent the blood from getting on the
carpet. That's why he placed the plastic

678
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:52.480
bag over her head, he said. He then used a second plastic bag

679
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:59.400
to tie off the first bag.
And about this time is when he says

680
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.000
that chaf fell and Jennen arrived home. So he figured, oh, well,

681
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.039
Megan's dead now, and considering that
he thought that she was dead,

682
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:14.239
he then put her in that large
toy box. He had converted this toy

683
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.159
box into a toolbox that he was
using, so he put her in his

684
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:21.920
toy box slash toolbox, and then
he carried her down the stairs. But

685
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.840
to his surprise, when he went
to go put the box in his van,

686
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.079
he said that he heard Megan cough
and that she wasn't actually dead.

687
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.400
He said that he was going to
dump her body near some power lines,

688
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.639
but he saw a police car there
and so instead he decided to take her

689
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:47.440
to Mercer County Park. As he
was pulling her out of the box,

690
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.239
he decided at that point that he
would place his fingers in her vagina,

691
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.400
and he just played with her a
little and then he dumped her into the

692
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.039
weeds. I want to tell you
something, and right now at this point,

693
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.559
he's pissing me the fuck off,
because there is no way in hell

694
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.079
that all you did was touched that
little girl, her scream and run,

695
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.800
and you what did you do?
You magically just roped her with a belt

696
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.599
that you just happened to have at
hand to pull her back into that room.

697
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:22.199
I'm calling absolute bullshit. What I'm
envisioning happening is he said, sure,

698
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:23.800
come on in, you can see
my puppy. She's in my bedroom.

699
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:30.719
And that little, innocent little girl
followed that grown man into his bedroom,

700
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.800
at which point he slammed that door
shut. He took that belt that

701
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.159
he already had available, and he
tied that around her neck, and he

702
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:45.119
tried to make her submissive to him. The reason that her face was hurt

703
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.039
and the fact that he says that
she was bleeding is not because she fell

704
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.000
and started bleeding. You don't just
fall and start bleeding. You were choking

705
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.840
the shit out of that little girl
with a belt, and you were slamming

706
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:01.280
her head into something. That's what
happened. So the fact that he's sitting

707
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.119
here and downplaying it. Oh,
and then I just decided to touch her

708
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.079
vagina when I was her vagina,
whenever I was just dumping her body in

709
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:15.039
the woods is an absolute lie.
No way you there's no way that you

710
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:21.400
were not sexually motivated by bringing that
little girl into your home. You just

711
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.360
what you just thought, you would
just touch her privates when you were dumping

712
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.039
her dead body like that somehow makes
it not as bad. Give me a

713
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.719
break, And this makes me sick
about people that do this to anyone,

714
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.360
but specifically children, because you're not
even man enough to admit what you did.

715
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:37.719
It doesn't even make sense. Think
about it. What he just randomly

716
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.559
had a belt and he just happened
to throw it around her throat. She's

717
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:45.440
seven years old, y'all. A
grown man can't grab a seven year old.

718
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.800
I'm five foot four, I'm one
hundred and fifty pounds. I have

719
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.559
a seven year old. I don't
need a damn belt to get ahold of

720
00:51:52.639 --> 00:52:00.679
her. This is what they do
minimize. He then says he left the

721
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.000
park and he went to a wah
wah to one of those gas stations,

722
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.880
and he said he bought a cigarette
and a paper. I bet he did

723
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.079
go by a damn cigarette. I
bet he wanted that that come down from

724
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.840
what he had just done, and
that he was all excited about and then

725
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.199
he returned home. He says.
Then he got home and that's when he

726
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:22.320
decided to rip up her shorts that
were in his bedroom and to go outside.

727
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:28.119
Okay, real quick, he said. Originally that she went to run

728
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.119
and he grabbed her shorts and that
they ripped. Have you ever grabbed someone's

729
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:37.280
clothes and their waist like it just
ripped off of them. No, you

730
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:44.360
were in an animalistic frenzy. You
saw a little girl that you could dominate,

731
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.679
You saw a sexual creature that you
wanted control of, and you put

732
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.719
a belt around her neck, and
you sodomized and raped this little girl,

733
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.880
and you ripped her clothes off in
the process because you were having fun and

734
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.719
you were excited. That's what happened, and just accidentally rip her shorts.

735
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.639
And then when you came home,
you found the shorts and you just decided

736
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.800
then that you would rip them up. Bull shit, No, you did

737
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:13.679
not. Why would you rip him
up then? It doesn't even make sense.

738
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.360
Just throw them away. Why would
you rip him up then? And

739
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:21.000
then to add insult to injury,
he says, that's when miss Kanka,

740
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.440
the mother came and asked him,
Hey, have you seen my daughter?

741
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.800
Have you seen Megan? And that
piece of shit not only told her no,

742
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.440
she's not here, but he said
that, oh, I did see

743
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.920
her out by the neighbor's driveway.
And then he went out there with that

744
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.880
poor mother looking for her daughter and
helped her look for her daughter that he

745
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.480
knew he had just done that too, and went and dumped in a field

746
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:51.599
at a park. What kind of
animal are you? And the sickest part,

747
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.599
guys, the sickest part is that
his statement here still isn't completely true.

748
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.400
He's still not going to give all
the facts. And after writing his

749
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.480
statement, that's when they went ahead
and they took his clothes. They removed

750
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:08.559
his clothes and they fingerprinted him at
about four o'clock am. That's whenever they

751
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:15.559
took fingernail clippings from him. He
allowed it. He was he consented they

752
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.800
didn't have to go get a warrant
or something for this. He said,

753
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.840
sure, you can clip my fingernails. And whenever they clip, we're clipping

754
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.840
his fingernails. That's when another officer, Officer Wilkins, looked at his palm

755
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.000
and said, whoa, that looks
like a bite mark on your hand.

756
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.719
So he flips his hand over and
he starts looking at it, and so

757
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:37.800
he takes photographs and he measures the
bite mark or what he believes to be

758
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:44.280
a bite mark on her little hand. And I will let you know later

759
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.639
on. They have a professional,
a doctor Haskell Askin is his name,

760
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:51.599
and they had him. He's a
forensic odontologist, so which means he can

761
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.519
look at bite marks and he can
determine if it's someone's teeth or not that

762
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.320
made impressions, and he would actually
go look at this. He performed a

763
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:05.880
bite marking analysis of the defendant's hand
and he determined that Megan absolutely was the

764
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.039
person that left that bite mark on
his hand. Her teeth left the very

765
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.119
wound on that man's hand. And
I can just see this little girl fighting

766
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.800
for her life, doing everything she
can to get this man off of her,

767
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:23.840
all the way down to biting her
a biting him, and he still

768
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:28.000
has absolute disregard for her. And
even if he did do this to her

769
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.599
exactly like I've told you so far, why when you heard her costs,

770
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:35.599
why didn't you open that box,
have a hair a decency about you and

771
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.480
go throw her in her in her
yard? You know what I mean?

772
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:43.440
Like just a shred of decency,
something anything, but no, you went

773
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.639
and dumped her dead body and then
helped her mother search for her. I'm

774
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.119
gonna have to stop right there,
y'all were about an hour. I still

775
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:50.960
have a lot more on this case, so we're all going to do a

776
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.840
part two on this one. And
you know what, whenever Jesse was being

777
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.400
interviewed and he was nervous and he
was sweating and all of that, it

778
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.400
kind of makes me have almost like
an evil smile about me because I hope

779
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:06.559
he was having an absolute internal melt
down. I hope his blood pressure was

780
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.360
through the roof. I hope he
was scared out of his mind, much

781
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:14.360
like little Megan I'm sure was.
But you know, you gotta remember,

782
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.039
don't put yourself in these positions if
you don't like them, because interrogations,

783
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.239
y'all, they're a whole lot like
eating taco bell. It's really hard to

784
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:22.039
have fun when you're about to ship
your pants