Obsessed: Zachariah Anderson Part 2

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So we're going to jump right on
into this one. This is going to

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be the part two of the Obsessed
episode of Zach Anderson and a quick recap

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of last episode because we did have
Christmas right, and so there was another

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episode in between last one and this
one. But quick recap just for you.

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Sadie Beacham was dating Rosalio Gutierrez and
he had stopped answering his messages and

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his text. It really kind of
made her nervous, so she went to

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his apartment to check on him,
and that's where she found a blood covered

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apartment and no Rosalio. There was
a medium ish sized rug that was obviously

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removed from the apartment after there had
been a bunch of bloodshed there and after

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what appeared to be an attack had
taken place. So Sadie immediately pointed her

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finger at her ex of many years
and also the father of her children.

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His name was Zachariah, will call
him Zach, and she said, look,

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he's been stalking me. I believe
that he had broken into Rosalio's truck,

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his registration had been taken, some
personal information was on that, and

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I'm really worried that he might have
something to do with this. So police

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did look further into those claims,
and they also believed that Zach had the

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motive and the means necessary to possibly
be responsible for what had happened to Rosalio,

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and so looking further, police also
found that he had a phone that

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had the you know, some software
on there that he would be able to

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basically track Sadie. And there was
some other circumstantial evidence and that's kind of

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where we left off now. Sadie
believed that he was tracking her, but

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she also thought, look, he's
also recording me, like my voice as

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well. Somehow he's knowing what's going
on, and so why would she think

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that? Will you tell me what
you think? Okay? On May thirteenth,

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that is when Sadie went to go
see Rosalio, and so she said,

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we were gonna go to his apartment. We're gonna have some food,

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and we were gonna watch some movies. And so while we were hanging out

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at the apartment, Rosalio said something
to her, This is not a direct

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quote or anything, but something to
the effect of, hey, do you

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want to watch this show or do
you want to watch something else? And

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he mentions another show. Suddenly,
right after, like right after those words

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come out of Rosalio's mouth, Sadie
receives ding a text. A text message

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comes across on her phone and the
text is from her children's father, Zach,

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And what's super creepy is that the
text message is an exact quote,

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like an exact quote of what Rosalio
had just said to Sadie. How could

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he possible know what had just been
said between two adults who were home alone,

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no children in the house, and
they're in an apartment that's Rosalio's.

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How could that be? How could
that possibly have happened? So later on,

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when questioning him, he says,
oh, that was an accident.

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I didn't mean to text you.
It was just an accident, Lati Da.

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But technology on his cell phone at
that moment is going to indicate that

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too, was a lie. And
it's kind of something that I don't think

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can be explained away. See,
when that text was sent, Zach's phone

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was going off at a Kenosha tower, and not just any tower, Okay,

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it was a Kenosha tower that was
the closest tower to rosal Leo's home.

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And Zach didn't live near Rosalio.
Zach lived in Mekwan, So it's

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not this random tower in Kenosha,
it's the one close to where Rosalio lived.

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And not only does this put Zack
by the apartment at the exact time

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of the conversation, but it also
places him at the location, literally quoting

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what is being said inside Rosalio's apartment. I don't believe in coincidences. What

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do you think I would be a
little I'd be a little bothered by that.

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So then on May fourteenth, Zach
is now basically looking for a confrontation

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based on some of the text messages
that were exchanged between he and Sadie.

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Sadie wasn't texting him loving messages.
He was sending her messages and basically taunting

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her. So on May fourteenth,
at four thirteen pm, and I'm giving

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you these dates to kind of help
you with the timeline. Here he texts

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her and says, Hey, you
want me to stop by to meet Junior

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tonight And Junior was another name for
Rosalio at four forty one, So about

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a half an hour later, he's
still on that topic and he's saying,

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you know, can I stop by
and I could you know, maybe I

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should come meet him? And really
it's not a nice type of Hey,

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maybe I should stop by and we
could, you know, meet each other

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and be friendly since you're getting to
be in a relationship with him and we

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have children together. It was more
of like taunting her and trying to provoke

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her, But it really comes across
as he's trying to say, I want

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a confrontation with him, not legitimately
meet him. He also says things to

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her in text messages to the effect
of, and these are not my words.

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I want to be very clear,
these are not my words. But

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you know, he says, you
race down to Kenosha every chance you get

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to lay down with some Down syndrome
Mexican version of your father. You know,

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I have a lot of people that
I know and I admire with down

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syndrome, one of which who is
a listener, and he he graduated from

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Southeastern recently. So to use that
as an insult, I'm not sure it

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really is going to meet the mother
of being an insult. And if you

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if Zach didn't care, then why
does he need to insult her, her

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or new boyfriend. I don't know
that that's you know, it's not really

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following the dynamic of oh, I
don't really care what's going on in your

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life. So Sadie text ros Leo
at one point thereafter, and she says

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to him I want to be yours. Okay, she says, I want

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to get more serious. I want
this to be just me and you.

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You know, I want to dedicate
and be committed to you, and I'd

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like for you to be committed to
me. Once that message is sent,

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that is when things seemed to really
kind of start downward spiraling, because on

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May fifteenth, that's whenever Zach Anderson
went and took out fifty thousand dollars in

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cash from his bank account. Now, law enforcement when they went to go,

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you know, check his home and
see what they could find for evidence

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wise, he still had forty six
thousand dollars worth of that cash literally like

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in bank bags bound together. And
so while having fifty grand doesn't mean a

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lot of anything, it really kind
of makes you wonder, why would you

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go pull fifty grand out of the
bank and then still have it if it

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wasn't being held for purposes that you
might could maybe go on the run,

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you know, if you needed to
and you had a lot of cash to

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get out of Dodge real quick.
You know. Again, it's not criminal

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to take money out of your bank, but sure is questionable. So May

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fifteenth, he takes out all this
money. And then on May seventeenth,

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two days later, that's when Rosalio
is attacked and goes missing. So kind

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of keep the timeline going in your
head, because you know, in law

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enforcement, and I think in every
aspect of life, totality of circumstance matters.

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It's not just the little nitpicky pieces, it's all of it together that

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kind of paints a picture of what
might really be going on here. So

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then two days later after Rosolio goes
missing on May nineteenth, that's when that

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detective lorn On Shoots originally had responded
to Rosilio's apartment. He saw the blood

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dripping down the walls and he says, look, it was outside on the

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exterior mailboxes outside of the apartment,
which was in like a hall area,

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and it was dripping down the doorframe. There was blood, you know,

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in the apartment. It was around
the TV. It was you know,

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pulling on the back of the couch
where you would rush your head. It

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was on the cabinets, he said, it was on the ceilings. He

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knows he noticed two that if if
you were to stand outside of Rosolio's apartments,

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okay, and there was like a
wall of a wall of mailboxes right

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where you go check your your mail
in an apartment. But he noticed that.

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Look, if you were going to
do some type of like blitz attack

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on somebody, that you could knock
on the door and then crouch or kind

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of hide behind the wall that was
there. And if ross Leo would have

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looked out of his door, you
know, his peep hole or open his

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door, he might not have seen
or probably would not have seen someone that

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was hiding. And it was just
perfect for a blit style attack because it

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would have been hard to see someone
if they knocked on the door. Not

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to mention, if you remember last
episode, he was expecting a visitor,

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that woman that was going to come
meet him, and she ended up going

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to the wrong apartment complex, so
it wasn't so far fetched to think,

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oh, that must be her,
and he would have opened his door and

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then been attacked right there. There
was also another officer, his name was

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Van Wi, but he believed,
based on the evidence at the scene,

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that there had been seven separate events
that had taken place in that apartment,

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based on all of the blood evidence. I don't mean seven separate as in

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different days. I mean just like
seven different points of contact with Rosolio's body,

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whether it was a knife wound or
hit with a bat or a piece

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of wood or whatever it was that
he was you know, beat with.

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So that same day police went to
Zach's home and they found a burn pit

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there, and so they were kind
of searching through that burn pit. And

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then they also went to a family
farm that the Anderson family owned, and

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they found a second burn pit there. So the contents of the burn pits

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are what was left behind it,
you know, was in the burn pits

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was of considerable interest to police because
clothing was being burned in these burn pits.

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Now, look, it's not criminal
by any means to burn clothes.

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It is strange as hell, though, to be burning stuff in pouring down

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rain. So it kind of makes
you think, or it made me think,

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what would be of such urgency that
I would need to go burn during

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a rainstorm? Because I don't know
of any urgency of where I would need

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to burn right then, right then
unless I was trying to get rid of

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something that could not wait and it
needed to be destroyed, not buried.

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It had to be destroyed, burned
up. So again, totality of circumstance

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here, seven inches of rain had
fallen and the pit when police got there

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it was still smoldering, meaning it
had been being burnt and turned and used

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during this rainstorm. And so they
looked further. They found jeans that were

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burned in there, bleachs like a
bleach bottle, socks, underwear, and

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even weirder, steel toe boots.
Why would you burn that in the middle

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of a rainstorm. And upon further
inspection, police also noticed what looked like

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an underwear band from some fruit of
the loom underwear. They found blue jeen

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buttons, They found those components to
the steel toe boots. There was a

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melted bleach bottle. Like I said, and it's it's hard to deny that

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it looks pretty weird to be burning
clothes and regular trash on a rainy day.

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Again, not criminal. You can
burn whatever the hell you want,

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but you put it into the circumstances
of what's happening here and that just seems

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a bit odd. So, based
on this information, along with all the

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other evidence from episode one, on
May twenty first, twenty twenty, Zach

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Zachariah Anderson was arrested for stalking,
okay, not for rosal Leo and how

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the fact that he's missing. But
they felt like police said, there's enough

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evidence here, we're gonna arrest for
the stalking charges. So when law enforcement

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apprehended him and they got his phone, they found a screenshot of a section

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of the registration from ros Leo's truck. So, if you hadn't broken into

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the truck and you hadn't taken that
information, why would you have a picture

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of the registration on your cell phone? What would you need it for?

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Why would you have that? I
can't even think of a reason of why

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you would need that. And on
it they even can see a signature section

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for the person it ended up being
Rosolio's stepfather. But you know, he

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had signed apparently for the truck.
I don't know if he was a co

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sign or what it was, but
he had signed something. His signature was

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on that registration and it also had
Rosolio's Kenosha address written on it. Again,

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circumstantial, completely strange if you have
nothing to do with this guy and

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you don't know him, right.
So police even went and they questioned neighbors

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and they said, look, did
you hear anything suspicious? Was there anything

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out of place? One neighbor.
Her name was Marissa Swanigan. She came

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forward and said on May seventeenth,
Yes, I heard a loud bang,

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and she said it sounded like someone
had fallen or something big had hit a

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wall. Now, if you remember
from episode one, another person that police

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had a word with was Christine Rimsburg, and that was Zach's girlfriend at the

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time. Zach is literally staying four
or five nights a week at her home

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and when she was interviewed in May
of twenty twenty, she said that their

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relationship had been going on for about
a year and when they questioned her about

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his whereabouts on May seventeenth, she
verified Zach was with me the whole time,

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But it turned out after further review
that this was actually a mistake.

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Zach was not with her. Even
her sister, Casselina Rimsburg that's her younger

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sister, agreed, No, Zach
was not with us. He did not

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spend the night on May seventeenth.
He did not spend the night with us

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the day that Rosalio is believed to
have gone missing. So a further research

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of the phone records would be done
and it would be noted by police that

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Zach's main cell phone, which remember, he had a bunch of phone.

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It was noted that his main cell
phone was turned off between the hours of

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seven forty two pm and eleven nineteen
pm on that very night of May seventeenth

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when Rosalio went missing. So the
argument was made, look, the phone

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he uses every day to contact people, the one he uses day in and

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day out, just happens to not
be answered or used and is turned off

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from seven point thirty or roughly seven
thirty to roughly eleven twenty that very night,

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and was the only phone he had
with like the smart capabilities that would

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have been able to track him,
and it just so happens that phone was

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turned off and he did not return
any calls or any text that had been

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coming in from multiple people, including
that same girlfriend, Christine Rimsberg. She

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tried to contact him multiple times because
she was expecting him that evening. She

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was saying things like what are we
gonna have for dinner? She was talking

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about a movie or what they were
gonna watch, and then finally she kind

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of gets frustrated and around it's around
eleven nineteen pm, says, Okay,

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I'm going to bet right because he
never showed up. And she doesn't know

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why you won't answer the phone,
And then he gets a hold of her

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after that and says, oh sorry, I actually had fallen asleep. What

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so you just happen to fall asleep
between that time and never show up at

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the house you were expected to be
at to have dinner with the person you

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were expected to have dinner with,
and then no explanation other than oh I

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fell asleep. And it's kind of
interesting too that he would have had time

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to drive from his home in Mekwan
to Kenosha, admit the crime, and

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get back to the Mekwan area,
pick up that phone that he hasn't been

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answering, and now conveniently text her
and say, oh sorry, I fell

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asleep during the exact hours that it's
believed that Rosalio Gutirez was was hurt and

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never seen from again again. Coincidence, I don't know. So Sadie and

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her daughter ended up having a conversation
together on the eighteenth, the day after

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Rosolio was an answer in the phone, and I can't imagine what it must

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have been like for her daughter to
have a conversation where her mother's crying because

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her boyfriend's not answering the phone.
She's really worried that something bad has happened

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to him. And the reason I'm
saying I can't believe what it must have

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been like to be the daughter is
because the daughter had more information than I

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think. She was emotionally mature and
ready to be in possession of See Sadie,

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he believed that Zach had been stalking
her via those cell phone and that

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tracking software. But what she didn't
know right was that her daughter had been

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taken along for some of the stalking
behaviors, and it went much further than

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just tracking her. Zach and Sadie's
daughter had information that her dad had straight

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up asked her to be a spy
for him on her mother. He had

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given her a G six Moto phone
and told her to record her mom whenever

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her mom got upset, and Sadie
eventually found that phone. Right, well,

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if Zach hadn't actually been doing this, then there's a really, really,

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really strange another coincidence that when police
were doing the search warrant for Zach's

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laptop, they found those very recordings
from that very phone that was mentioned on

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his laptop, thirty six recordings to
be Zach and it's the daughter in Sadie

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talking with him and arguments and it's
all backed up. And they also see

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a folder that is really obviously a
problem if you're paying attention to this case,

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because it's a file that's labeled Rosileo
Gutierrez Junior. He has a file

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on his laptop and so they open
it, and when they do, they

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find picture after picture of screenshots of
ros Leo's Facebook photos, photos of him

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with his kids, just tons of
photos of this guy. And it's also

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got an electronic map that's pinned to
the actual location of ros Leo's home.

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So I don't know about you,
but what in the deadly attraction is going

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on with that? That's really hard
to explain. I cannot think of a

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legitimate reason of why you would need
any of that information, But whatever the

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reason, it sure looks like an
obsessive sign of dangerous behavior to come.

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So when the daughter was asked about
her whereabouts prior to the day Rosaleo went

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missing, specifically they were going back
to April twenty fourth and twenty fifth,

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she stated that her dad drove her
to her mom's house that night, interesting

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enough, left the four year olds
home alone sleeping, which sounds extremely dangerous,

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and she says this was in the
middle of the night, under the

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cloak of darkness. Right when they
arrived at her mother's home, they turned

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into the driveway, but then the
daughter specifically says, but then dad backed

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out of the driveway and kind of
moved to another parking place a bit away

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from the home. And that's when
she says she watched with her own eyes

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her dad jump on the porch of
her mom's home and looked through the window.

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And while he was doing that,
the daughter also claimed that Zach was

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recording with what she called a handheld
recorder, not like a phone, but

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a handheld recorder. And once he
was done recording whatever he was according through

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the window, she said her dad
then went around and placed another phone that

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he had in the air conditioning like
insulation and I'm guessing it was like a

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window unit, but the up in
a little blank space to record sound.

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And then the daughter said he came
back to the car. So when he

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gets back to the car, he
looks at the daughter and says, hey,

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do you want to see what they're
doing? And so she went along

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with it and said okay, and
got out of the car, and they

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went together up to the house and
they looked inside of the window. Now,

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this is creepy behavior, and it
makes me angry because as a child

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of divorce myself, I know what
it's like for adults to maybe have intentions

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that make sense in their head.
But it absolutely is inappropriate behavior and it's

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the wrong actions to take to drag
a kid into it. Kids don't have

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a place in divorce. They should
not have a place in divorce. They

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shouldn't know anything. And I know
they weren't made okay, but I'm calling

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it a divorce, whatever, a
separation or a break. You know,

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kids should be oblivious. They just
need to know the minimum. We're not

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gonna be together anymore, and we're
gonna work out other you know, other

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plans. But they shouldn't know any
of the adult side of things, no

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matter how hard that is. And
as a parent myself, you know,

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kids are gonna feed off of your
requests and your guidance because you're their parent

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and they love you. And I'm
not sure, and you know, this

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is speculation, of course, but
it almost seems like was he trying to

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turn the daughter against the mom?
And then if that's the case. What

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about what could have happened when he
took a twelve year old at the time

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up to a window to look in
and spy on a mother and boyfriend who

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think that they're alone. What if
it would have been more than just sitting

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on the couch and you've brought your
daughter up to see that. That would

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have been so incredibly traumatizing to that
kid. As if this this behavior isn't

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already confusing enough. You love both
of your parents, and then one of

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them is asking you to do something, and out of love for your parent,

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you go along with it. Then
the daughter goes into detail about how

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her dad, when they got up
to the window, made her take her

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shirt. If you're watching me,
I'll do it, but take her shirt

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and cover her nose and her mouth
when they got up there because he didn't

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want her breathing on the window and
causing it to fog up. Those are

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details I don't think a child would
make up on their own. You know,

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it's very detailed for something a kid
might would have made up. And

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then when the daughter looked inside the
window, she said she saw her mom

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and rosso Leo sitting on the couch
together. And the child even got emotional

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at this point when she was telling
that part of the story. She said

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that they were just listening to music
and that's when she and her dad then

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left the porch, and she says
they got in the car, but then

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her dad took back off his sandals
once they got to the car, and

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then went up to Roso Leo's car
and took a picture of his license plate.

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And then she said, he took
the recording device from the air conditioner

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unit, rang the doorbell, and
then they took off in the truck.

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And as they drove away, she
said her dad tried to play the recording

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that he had just gotten from the
phone he had placed in that window or

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in that air unit, whatever that, but they couldn't hear anything. And

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if you remember, Sadie even said
when her doorbell rang that night, she

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got up and looked, and she
saw what looked to be his truck driving

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away. How could this kid possibly
make that link if she hadn't been there.

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I just don't see that happening.
And then she says, when we

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returned home, Dad just basically told
me to go get some sleep. He

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dropped me off, and then he
left again after about three am, so

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she gave a little bit more detail
on the plan. Her father also had

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some which I mentioned in the first
episode, about lying and pretending that her

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mom had abandoned her. The little
bit of detail she added was the fact

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that her dad coached her that,
look, you're going to dial the number,

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but as soon as it rings,
hang up, so it won't actually

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ring on your mom's end. And
they're going to do that a couple of

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times so that it looks like you
kept trying to call your mom and then

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she wouldn't answer the phone. Another
time, the daughter gave more information.

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And this little girl, y'all,
is a queen. I cannot tell you.

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This is a This kid right here, this is where it's at,

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because this little girl does not falter. She does not take crap from anybody

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who questions it. She knows what
she knows, and she says what she

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says. And I think that she's
an absolute queen for this because she's young.

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Current time, she's fourteen, but
when she was this was happening,

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she was twelve, right, And
she says, look another time that it

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was the early morning hours. It
was about two o'clock in the morning.

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She says, it was a school
night and my mom had gone on this

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little mini vaca without us, so
my aunt was watching us. Now,

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it wasn't really her aunt. It
was like her mom's best friend, and

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they just called her aunt like people
do. And she said, I went

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to bed and then I woke up
to my dad standing over me in the

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house and it kind of shocked her, and he told her to get up

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and get ready, so they were
gonna, I guess, go to school

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and the brothers were woken up.
She was woken up. She says,

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it was like four point thirty in
the morning, and it was really unexpected.

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It kind of spooked her because it
was bizarre, and no one had

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told her that her dad was going
to be coming to get her to come

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get them. And she said,
just the time of morning was weird.

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It was bizarre, and why was
my dad standing over me and waking us

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up? Now? You know,
in less seriousness, I guess Of other

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experiences the daughter went through, She
also mentioned that her dad liked to call

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roso Leo derogatory names. You've already
heard one that I mentioned earlier, but

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some some of them, she says, were so derogatory. She didn't even

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really want to say them aloud.
But one that she would mention was that

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Zach always called Rosalio booger. Okay, and so she was asked, well,

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why would your dad call him booger? I don't you know. I

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don't get the connection there, and
she said, because Zach saw Rosalio pick

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his nose and wipe it on the
mom's couch during one of his stalking events,

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so he liked to keep bringing that
up and call him booger. If

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anything, these examples of behavior are
a mix of childish and alarming. But

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what stood out considering the fact that
Rosalio was now missing, is the fact

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that the daughter also told police that
her dad told her that he was going

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to quote show Rosalio who the man
was. So what do you think that

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means? So, you know,
it really bugs me thinking about children that

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are caught up in divorce or in
breakups or whatever. And when kids are

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you as tools to get to get
you know, what a parent wants.

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And so I went to the Childmind
Institute and I was kind of looking through

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some of their information about children of
divorce, and there were three things that

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I thought were kind of important here
the first one, don't make a kid

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choose. If you make it a
test of loyalty that a child has to

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choose, children are going to feel
as if they're only allowed to love one

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parent, and if they love the
other parent, then it's going to be

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a betrayal of the first parent.
And it really feels like that's what's happening

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here. If you make your kids
choose who to love, what are these

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poor kids involved? And then another
thing, it says, make sure you

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don't ever confide in your kids about
divorce. You should insulate them from the

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conflict. You shouldn't be sharing information
about it with them, even if it's

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tempting. Right, even if you
think the other parent has done wrong,

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or their attorney or some has done
you wrong, you still want to keep

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your kids out of that legal battle. Their kids. And then another big

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one, don't use them as a
weapon. It's like divorce one oh one,

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break up one oh one, and
everything they listed, it seems was

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being done to this daughter. You
know, both people were probably good parents

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before the divorce or the breakup process
started, but now because you're angry with

406
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:33.680
one another, you're gonna start nitpicking
everything about the other one and it's irrelevant

407
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:38.359
if she was on the couch with
roso Leo making out, it's irrelevant.

408
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.200
You know, it doesn't matter.
Why would you do those things and why

409
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:49.119
would you drag your kid along?
And when asked where and what they did

410
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:55.839
on May sixteenth, this is the
day before roso Leo was attacked and went

411
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.720
missing, the daughter said she rode
to the family tree farm in a van

412
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:04.119
that her dad owned, and when
they left her dad's house to go to

413
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.759
that family tree farm, she specifically
said that her twin brothers were in the

414
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.680
back seats and she was in the
front seat, and when she was asked

415
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.000
was there anything else in the vehicle, she said, well, I did

416
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.960
see a chainsaw in the van.
And then when they arrived, she said

417
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.839
they stayed at the tree farm for
a couple of hours, and something that

418
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.759
stood out to her too was that
her dad borrowed her grandfather's work boots.

419
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.119
When they came home from the tree
farm, she said they rode home in

420
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:34.920
that exact same van and described the
van as a carpeted van. Everything was

421
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.079
normal and it was just another day
in their lives. Now. What was

422
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.400
really interesting to investigators about that was
the fact that when Zach was asked about

423
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.599
the vehicles he owned and the ones
that he used, he blatantly failed to

424
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.000
mention this very van He only mentioned
another vehicle he owned, which was an

425
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:57.519
Audie, and he sticks to the
story that the Audi is as means of

426
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.079
transportation. But the actual fact was
that stein Rimsberger remember his girlfriend, she

427
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:06.400
had been driving that car because her
own car was having issues, and so

428
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.400
he hadn't been driving that car at
all. Really, so why would something

429
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.920
so obvious be quote unquote forgotten.
I mean, a work vehicle that you

430
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.720
drive your kids in as well as
go do work in. You failed to

431
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.640
mention. You just forget to mention
that's the vehicle you're in day in and

432
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.559
day out. Is that a failure
to mention or is that a convenient omission?

433
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.359
How do you forget a vehicle that
you wrote it? You don't,

434
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.200
that's the answer, you don't.
So police also talked to Zach regarding his

435
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.960
knowledge of Rosolio, and there's no
way that Zach did not understand how important

436
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.279
this moment was. Whenever you think
about the fact that Rosalio is missing,

437
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.039
right, so you've got to understand
that this is really important. That you

438
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.519
give all the information you have.
As an innocent person, you need to

439
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:04.119
say everything you can to I guess, exonerate yourself from any suspicion. And

440
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:08.039
knowing how important it is, he
still tries to give the officers the impression

441
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:13.159
that he doesn't know Rosilio. He
says something to the effect of him being

442
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.719
some Mexican guy and he thinks that
they call him junior like something to that

443
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.679
effect. He denies knowing anything really
about him at all. He denies ever

444
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.440
being to Rosilio's home. Deny,
deny. But what he's not realizing is

445
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.719
that simply cannot be true what he's
telling the police, because based on his

446
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.000
own electronic evidence, his text messages
and his own phone, they know that

447
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:44.320
he was there on May thirteenth.
When you start lying, the cards are

448
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:49.760
going to start falling. So when
the police go back to look at this

449
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.679
vehicle that the van, they find
something even more interesting. The carpeting that

450
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.280
was in the back of the van
had been cut and it was cut down

451
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.239
to where the electronics were like basically
exposed, you know, it was like

452
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.239
down to like the plastic flooring that
would be underneath or the metal flooring whatever.

453
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.360
That would be underneath the carpeting.
And on top of that, a

454
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.159
notation is made that there's now bleach
stains on parts of the remaining carpet that

455
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.199
weren't cut away. And when that
daughter, they asked her, hey,

456
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.400
what was the condition of the van
whenever you went to the tree farm.

457
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.199
She was very adamant. It was
full of carpet, There were no bleach

458
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.920
stains. It was just the regular
van. Daddy had a chainsaw in it.

459
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.519
La Ti doc So. On May
eighteenth, the day after Rosalio is

460
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.719
believed to have disappeared, where was
zach right? What was he doing?

461
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.559
The minute by minute accountability for his
entire day here, it's not exact,

462
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:51.079
but I'm going to give you the
gist of the day he had. So

463
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.239
he did three things that kind of
stand out that day. Number one,

464
00:35:54.280 --> 00:36:00.159
he went to Walmart. Number two, he went and did some work at

465
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.880
a property they called the Cedar Grove
property, which was some demolition type work.

466
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.119
And then he went and picked up
his tax returns. But that Walmart

467
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:15.880
trip had some security footage, and
it's a little bit more suspicion than what

468
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.599
it sounds. First, he went
online and he was searching to see when

469
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:27.400
Walmart opened. And this was done
in the wee early hours of the eighteenth.

470
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.719
Remember Rosalie I went missing on the
seventeenth, the evening of the seventeenth,

471
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.880
On the wee early morning hours of
the eighteenth, roughly four am to

472
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.920
be exact, he's up and he's
searching for what hour does Walmart open?

473
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.400
So why would you be doing that
at four am when you have worked the

474
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.960
next day. It seems kind of
strange, right, So they asked him

475
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.239
about that. But his explanation is
that, look, it was COVID.

476
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.880
COVID was happening, and so I
wasn't sure what the store hours were because

477
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.719
they're weird because of COVID. Okay, fair enough, Okay, I'll bite

478
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.280
on that it was COVID and you
weren't sure when Walmart was opening. But

479
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.840
it does seem strange to me that
if you were supposed to just be up

480
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.880
going about a legitimate day the next
day and working and doing your hard labor,

481
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.760
and you have stuff to do,
that you would be up at four

482
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.079
am, very very very concerned about
what time Walmart opened. Why wouldn't you

483
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:24.039
just wake up that morning at a
regular hour and see if Walmart was open.

484
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.159
Why are you searching it in the
middle of the night. Why is

485
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.679
there a rush to get there so
early? Not a bombshell, but odd.

486
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.559
But adding to that oddness is the
video because when he got to Walmart,

487
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:45.920
it was roughly eight seventeen am and
it was pouring down rain, So

488
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.639
it's not a super busy time for
a Walmart. And again, if we're

489
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.000
going to jump on the COVID train, there's not a ton of people at

490
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.199
Walmart because of the COVID. So
where do you park when it's raining?

491
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.920
I want you to just ask yourself
that it's pouring down rain and you go

492
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.800
to a store like Walmart, where
are you gonna park? Common sense will

493
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.119
tell you most people would park right
up by the door. They don't want

494
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.119
to get wet. They're gonna try
to get as close as they can to

495
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:13.840
the door. Most people would do
that, But not Zach. He parked

496
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:19.639
way far away from the stoor,
like off in the distance with plenty of

497
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.039
open spots, but he is far
away from the door. It's raining,

498
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.440
and he parks at the end of
the Walmart parking lot, not up by

499
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:35.119
the door. So that's weird.
Why would you not do that? Is

500
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.679
there something in the van possibly that
you don't want people just a lot of

501
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.840
people walking past, maybe or anyone
walking past and seeing it's odd. And

502
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.400
then he's seen walking through Walmart with
no mask on, even though he's claiming,

503
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.639
oh COVID. You know, he
was worried about what time they were

504
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.400
going to be they were gonna be
open, and you know, but he's

505
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:59.519
got no mask on. And the
totality of circumstance again here it matters because

506
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.519
when they and searched his home,
they made a notation that it wasn't exactly

507
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.199
the most well kept home. You
know, it wasn't clean to a level

508
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.159
that would indicate a fear of COVID. There wasn't lyesole wipes out everywhere and

509
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.360
all of that. So I'm not
inclined to buy the COVID reason, but

510
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.239
if I did, I'll give him
that. Okay, great COVID. Yeah,

511
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.440
that's why he did the search,
That's why he did all of that.

512
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.559
I'll give him that. Why did
you park so far away in the

513
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:30.440
rain? Combined with what did he
buy while he was there? Great question,

514
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:42.239
I'll tell you. Trash bags,
bleach cleaning wipes and rubber gloves and

515
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.880
then when he gets to the register, he pays with the almighty dollar of

516
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:53.880
cash. Yeah, no red flags
there whatsoever? Right, bleach, trash

517
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.679
bags, cleaning wipes, rubber gloves, pays with cash. It's like forensic

518
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.199
files one O one, how to
get away with murder, you know,

519
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:07.599
saying like alrighty then, but we're
not gonna read into that right now.

520
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.000
It was brought up what trash bags
did he buy, and specifically they mentioned

521
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.800
he bought thirteen gallon kitchen bags,
not huge ones like lawn and leaf.

522
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.599
And so you know, someone you
know has mentioned why would you get small

523
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.760
ones if you're gonna throw away a
body? Okay, well, first of

524
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.000
all, I wouldn't throw a body
away in a whole trash bag. I

525
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.920
don't know that that would be my
motive of operation, right, but let's

526
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.199
say I was. There's something to
remember about what was in that van that

527
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.800
the daughter mentioned, and that was
a chainsaw. That was a chainsaw in

528
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:43.440
the back of the van. His
daughter saw it and mentioned it, And

529
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.960
it surely makes sense to me that
you would not need huge bags for cut

530
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.719
up items or body parts. Now, there's certainly no proof of this being

531
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.519
the case, because to this day
ross Leo's body has never been found,

532
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.639
but it's sure does make a compelling
argument considering we haven't found him, and

533
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:10.280
what are chainsaws for. Well,
disclaimer not to cut up bodies, but

534
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.440
you know, people use things for
the wrong reasons all the time, all

535
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.519
right. So Zach's daughter also had
a little bit more information about some items

536
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.760
at his home around this time too, because she said, when I was

537
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.599
there, I saw down in the
basement. She said, brand new rope.

538
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.679
There was brand new duct tape,
and it was on top of this

539
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.599
little desk chair, like a wheelly
desk chair. And so when police got

540
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.519
there and they were looking at this
location, and this was on the nineteenth

541
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.119
shown off, when they got down
there, there was the wheelly chair,

542
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.440
exactly as the daughter described it would
be, and she was completely right.

543
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.360
But guess what. There was no
rope, there was no new duct tape.

544
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:59.119
So it certainly seems probable or a
likely probability. I guess that if

545
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.199
you wanted to move a body,
a bleeding body at that you could roll

546
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.519
them up in a carpet like one
missing from the apartment, tie it up

547
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.360
with rope, make a strap or
two, and then duct tape up to

548
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.079
try to not have, you know, a mess. So now there are

549
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.599
challenges to this, right, I
mean without a body, no body,

550
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.280
no one hundred percent proof that Rosolio
is dead, right, Well, maybe,

551
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.480
but there are really no other plausible
links that would make sense here.

552
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:35.199
Also, when you take into consideration
the van's missing carpet and the bleach clearly

553
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.800
used to clean the van, it
looks pretty bad. Added to that now

554
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.440
the fact that blood evidence was found
in the very van two despite what looks

555
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.840
to be a cleanup of the back
of the van, there was one spot

556
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.039
that was remaining, and three people
from the crime lab gave the opinion that

557
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:00.320
what was found in the van was
blood and belonged to Rosolio. When Zach

558
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:07.000
left that Walmart too, he didn't
go home. It was pouring down rain.

559
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.880
You're gonna go do construction, I
guess in the rain, I don't

560
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.480
know. But he didn't go straight
home. He went to other areas and

561
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:22.079
those were near a state park and
another of other remote locations where there are

562
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.159
hundreds of dumpsters, and there are
tons of wooded areas all over Wisconsin,

563
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:34.599
Wisconsin, and it seems kind of
reasonable to think that you could be scattering

564
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.440
remains as you went along to all
of these remote areas. Now, on

565
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:44.599
December of twenty twenty, based on
everything I've mentioned so far, they upgraded

566
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.519
the charges against zach He had originally
been arrested for the stalking charges. Now

567
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.440
the homicide charge was added to his
case. After that, DNA evidence from

568
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.519
the van came to light, and
on February twenty eighth of twenty twenty three,

569
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:04.679
that is whenever the Wisconsin versus Zachariah
Anderson trial began, and y'all the

570
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.960
fight was on. Okay, Now, this is kind of interesting to me.

571
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.320
The Kenosha County Circuit judge that presided
over this trial, his name was

572
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.760
Bruce Schroeder. And if that sounds
familiar, it's because he is the same

573
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.480
judge that presided over the Kyle Rittenhouse
case. If you followed that case.

574
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.320
Now, it's important to remember that
evidence of motive, okay, which if

575
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.360
you're like, oh, he had
the motive, he had the motive,

576
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:32.559
okay, Well, evidence of motive
is not enough to convict someone, you

577
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:38.559
know. No one has to prove
their innocence in court. It's the state's

578
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:45.320
job to prove they are guilty beyond
a reasonable doubt and beyond a reasonable doubt

579
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.760
is like you know, common sense. It's a person that has reasonable prudence.

580
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.760
How would they observe this information?
And you can have a few small

581
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.239
doubts of exactly what might have happened. You don't have to have a video

582
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.840
of the whole thing. But beyond
a reasonable doubt, if you are beyond

583
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.559
a reasonable doubt that this guy likely
did this, then we're gonna convict.

584
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.920
So on day one of the trial, which is actually technically day two because

585
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:19.039
they had some issues the first day, the judge gave this direct quote to

586
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.639
the jury. He said, give
the defendant the benefit of the doubt.

587
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.480
Okay, And I think that's fair
and that's true. You give the benefit

588
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.360
of the doubt to the defendant.
Make the state prove their case. He

589
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.719
does not have to prove his innocence. The state has to prove his guilt.

590
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.360
Some other information that was brought up
during the trial and during the prosecution

591
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:45.400
was that Zach actually had a really
large marijuana growing operation. And his daughter

592
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.679
testified to this and said he had
a really complex watering system. She said

593
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.960
he had seventy two plants and that
there was a drying station. She said

594
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.880
he had mushrooms that he stored in
baggies in the fridge, and they said,

595
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.360
okay, well, if you know
this, what did they look like?

596
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.199
And that little queen got up there
and said, well, I mean

597
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.719
they were really thin and an off
white brownish color. And it's funny when

598
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.800
you listen to this little girl get
up there, and I'm just so proud

599
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:16.599
of her as a woman, that
that little girl got up there, and

600
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.400
she was fierce, y'all. She
stood her ground. She knew what she

601
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.920
knew, and nobody was going to
change that. And it's funny because she

602
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.880
would get up there and she would
even rebut like on some of the photos

603
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.119
and the statements when they would try
to, you know, say things that

604
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.559
you know, what is this what
now? I don't know about that,

605
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.719
but I do know this right.
She was very clear. And she also

606
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.320
testified to the fact that her dad
had told her, oh, I got

607
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.719
rid of all of that. I
don't do that anymore. But it was

608
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.719
obviously not true. He had lied
to his daughter too, as evidenced by

609
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.280
the findings in the home, because
they actually found all that cash and the

610
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:59.719
dope too. Whenever police went and
executed their search warrant. That little girl

611
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.960
was a g she held her own
and she did really well. I was

612
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.320
proud of her for being a fourteen
year old girl. Zach's attorney came forward

613
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.400
and was like, no, this
is all speculation, y'all don't know.

614
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:14.360
You know, there's explanations for everything. And so one thing they tried to

615
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.599
say was that that speck of blood
that was in the van there, they

616
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.880
tried to imply that roso Leo left
it there himself, because there were some

617
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.400
text messages between Rosalio and Sadie saying, you know, I should go over

618
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.000
there basically and pay him a visit. He wants to break into my truck

619
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.199
and he wants to intimidate and do
all these things. Well, maybe I

620
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:36.480
should go pay him a visit.
And he did in zach Uh In fact,

621
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:42.920
look up Zach's address. There's no
doubt about that. But GPS confirmed

622
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.280
that ross Leo was home for twelve
hours after he did this. I mean,

623
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.159
he didn't even go there. So
to make an argument that for some

624
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.880
reason Rosalio broke into the van and
then left a spot of blood, like,

625
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.079
what was he doing in there?
What is breaking into the back of

626
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.320
a van and leaving a dotta bull
like what was what was his goal?

627
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.360
His goal in those text messages was
to say we should go beat his ass

628
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.159
because he won't leave us alone.
I don't I don't buy that he went

629
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.760
to go break into the back of
a van. Why, I mean,

630
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.800
what are you gonna get there?
So I didn't buy that. Then,

631
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.159
you know, there was the argument
of there's no body. There was no

632
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.719
blood stains on Anderson's clothes. Anderson
did have a permit to burn things at

633
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.360
his house. Well, I wouldn't
think there would be blood on his clothes.

634
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.119
I think he burned the clothes that
he killed him, when of course

635
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.039
there's no blood on him. Three
people from the crime lab came and gave

636
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.280
their professional opinion that what they found
in that van was blood and that it

637
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.159
belonged to Rosalio. So it kind
of came down to me when I was

638
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.039
listening to believability versus credibility, and
all evidence backed up what Sadie and the

639
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.920
daughter kept claiming and saying. Now, I don't know about you, I'm

640
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.880
just gonna be honest here that if
I looked I looked up older pictures of

641
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.480
Zacharia Anderson and I found him to
be a handsome man. There were some

642
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.480
people that sat behind him during the
trial, and there was a gentleman,

643
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.000
and I'm gonna say, an older
gentleman I don't compared to me. And

644
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.519
I believe it was his dad.
I don't know that to be a fact,

645
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.840
but he was a handsome man too, and they resembled one another,

646
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.440
and I could see the attraction and
I could see the charm in Zach.

647
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.039
If you looked back at the photos
of his that he's got a thousand watts

648
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:29.239
smile, and he's he's got his
shorter haircut and these big blue eyes,

649
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.719
and you can see, you know, there were photos of him fishing with

650
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.800
his family and you know, hugging
up on his on his family members,

651
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.760
and you could see baby shower photos. And there were photos of him which

652
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.840
looked to be like on vacation,
building sand castles with his with his kid.

653
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.400
And you know, you can't take
humanity out of this. I do

654
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.639
believe that Zach loves his children.
I think that he was extremely misguided with

655
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:01.159
the daughter. The obsession came and
over overtook him. But I'm gonna tell

656
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:06.159
you, there were there were specs
of light that I saw in Zach that

657
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.679
I could see the attraction in him. A couple of times during like deliberation,

658
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.320
I saw him and his attorney kind
of smiling and talking about things.

659
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.239
And another time the judge kind of
made a little joke and he kind of

660
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.079
laughed and kind of smirked. When
his daughter was up testifying on the stand,

661
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.639
you could see the light in his
eyes that he loved that girl.

662
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.199
He loved that little girl. But
it doesn't it doesn't outweigh what he did

663
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:45.480
to Rosalia. So another thing that
came forward too was a jail house snitch.

664
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.159
Now, I'll be the first to
tell you I'm not big on jail

665
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.639
house snitches. I think that they
have a dog in the fight. Usually

666
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:59.880
it's that they're gonna get some type
of benefit from testifying. But this guy's

667
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.800
was Markwan Washington, and he was
facing some really serious federal charges, okay,

668
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:07.760
but he was behind bars with Zach, and he said that they had

669
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:14.199
bonded over some common criminal activity type
stuff they had talked about, and there

670
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.880
was some credibility there because Mark Kwan
was able to tell the details about the

671
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.760
case, such as whenever like the
police raided Zach's house, and they found

672
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.400
that money and weed. He knew
that. He also described the house.

673
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.280
He said it was a crappy little
house, but in a nice area.

674
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:36.519
And he even went so far as
to say that Zach kind of told him

675
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.760
that if you're going to commit a
murder, it takes a lot of work,

676
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.920
and you have to figure out ways
to track people and stalk them because

677
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.440
you have to learn their habits and
learn what they're up to before you can

678
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:52.000
find your moment. You know.
He even, amazingly, according to Markwan

679
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.760
Washington suggested, look, if this
was something you were going to do,

680
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.320
you know, trackers are easy to
get on Amazon and be worthwhile to look

681
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.480
into. And then he said that
Anderson admitted to him that he stabbed Rosoleo

682
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.280
and then basically just blacked out right
and that and I believe that I think

683
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:14.280
that he got enraged and he just
whether he blacked out or not, he

684
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:19.039
did it. But you know,
I believe that I think that's true.

685
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.440
So the defense brought up Zach couldn't
have possibly done this. He had back

686
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.280
problems and he would not have been
able to carry Rosalio, you know,

687
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.639
to the van. Well, my
brain went immediately went no with enough adrenaline,

688
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.880
you can do anything. I mean, they got moms that lifted cars

689
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.599
off their kids before in history,
whenever they thought their kid was gonna die.

690
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.119
So, in terms of the how, Mark Kwan was actually able to

691
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.920
answer that, he said, how
did you lift that guy? You know,

692
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.559
he was kind of a thick dude, And Zach told him, well,

693
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.800
I'd been working out at that point. I was really really strong and

694
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.880
I had such adrenaline, he said, I was, and this was a

695
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.280
quote like Superman, and he said, the combination of the adrenaline and working

696
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.440
out got me gave me the ability
to do it solo. And he said,

697
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.000
I was in much better shape when
I first came into jail than I

698
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.079
am right now. And so in
terms of the why did you do it?

699
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.639
Markwan says that Zach told him that
his ex was getting serious with this

700
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.199
guy, and he wasn't happy that
she was happy, and he didn't want

701
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:24.400
his kids around their relationship. Markwan
also said that around the jail Zach had

702
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:29.280
a nickname. They called him Houdini, and when asked why would they call

703
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.800
him Houdini, he laughed and said, because the dude straight up knows how

704
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:38.000
to make a body disappear, and
Markwan said that he felt like Zach walked

705
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:42.360
around the jail kind of wore that
as a jacket. He was proud of

706
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.159
it and told Mark Kwan, Yeah, I got rid of the body in

707
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.440
trash bags. I dumped it like
trash. And he said this is a

708
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:55.519
quote. Once it's gone, it's
gone, basically saying nobody, no case,

709
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:01.679
that's not the case. He er
though, if you're looking at it,

710
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.679
you don't necessarily need the body.
And we know that because he's being

711
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.039
prosecuted. So something else that happened
that was crazy, and I'll put a

712
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:14.320
picture of this on my Patreon too, is that on the eleventh day of

713
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:20.320
the trial, the state got pretty
upset. A prosecutor got pretty upset with

714
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:27.119
Zacharia Anderson because he said that Zach
was trying to communicate with his minor daughter

715
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.440
and that there was witness tampering going
on. Well, the judge at first

716
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.079
was like, I don't think I've
seen it. I don't know what you're

717
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:37.719
talking about. But then camera footage
from the courtroom goes and you can clearly

718
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.800
see Zach making eye contact with his
daughter and he takes his pointer finger and

719
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.880
his thumb and he pinches his lips
closed, like saying, close your mouth

720
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.960
is pretty compelling if you look at
the photo. But after ten hours of

721
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.239
deliberation, Zachariah Anderson, now forty
two years old, was found guilty on

722
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:06.599
all four counts, two counts of
stalking, first degree intentional homicide, and

723
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:12.039
hiding a corpse. Zach did make
some statements before sentencing, and he flat

724
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.039
out denied any wrongdoing in the case. He said, look, did I

725
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:21.320
have marijuana possession? Yes? And
he sounds genuine in that statement. He

726
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.480
kind of started wanting to talk more, but his attorney gave him a look,

727
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.000
and he kind of looked at the
attorney and then he had a piece

728
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.599
of paper and she he kind of
flips over the piece of paper and abandons

729
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:35.400
it looks like whatever he was about
to say, And he said his family

730
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.719
didn't get to speak on his character
and he didn't think that was fair.

731
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.880
And he said, I didn't kill
someone, but if I did, it

732
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.639
would have been unintentional. And that
kind of I went, what in my

733
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.199
head, what do you mean if
you did, it would have been unintentional.

734
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.199
And I think there's insight to that. I think that he wanted to

735
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:59.559
go beat the shit out of Rosolio, and he took it too far.

736
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.960
He said, though I am not
guilty. I'm not guilty. I'm innocent.

737
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.960
And you know, maybe Zach isn't
this crazy, dangerous man in every

738
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.719
aspect of his life, but he
sure does seem to be a problematic lover

739
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.599
right. The judge said, though, I'm not going to comment on what

740
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.320
type of person you are, but
what you did was horrifying. And then

741
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.119
Zach shook his head in disagreement,
and the judge snapped back at him and

742
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.440
said, you, sir, the
jury has found you guilty of such.

743
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.639
You can shake your head now,
but the jury has found you guilty.

744
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.639
And then the judge said, whenever
Zach was speaking, he had mentioned what

745
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.960
did he deserve, And the judge
said, I'm not going to talk about

746
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.000
what you deserve. It's not my
job to say what you deserve. He

747
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.559
said, and honestly, there may
be even vigilantism in the future due to

748
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:52.800
the enormity of these types of crimes
that keep happening. I though, don't

749
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:58.000
get to dictate what you deserve.
The judge asked Zach during sentencing, did

750
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.199
you even think about the people you
love. When you did what you did,

751
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.880
did you think about your family?
Did you think about your kids?

752
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:09.039
Did you think about Rosa Leo's kids? I mean, my god, you're

753
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:14.639
doing more than just getting what you
want. You're destroying lives all over the

754
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:21.000
place. And then Judge Schroeder ultimately
sentenced Zach Anderson to two years in prison

755
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.559
with two years of extended supervision for
each of the stalking counts. He got

756
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:30.480
an additional six years imprisonment and five
years of supervision for the hiding of the

757
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:36.280
corpse, and then finally he was
handed down a life in prison sentence for

758
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:42.920
the homicide. After Zach serves the
shorter sentences for the lesser counts, he

759
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.679
will be eligible for early release after
forty years. When he was told this,

760
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:50.880
there wasn't much emotion that was shown
other than what looked like a mix

761
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:55.280
to me of like defeat and aggravation. But a victim impact statement was read,

762
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.840
and I want to tell you all
this. I know I've told you

763
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.320
the gist of the case, but
this is where it matters, Okay,

764
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.960
this is where the victims come in. Sadie got up and gave her victim

765
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.079
impact statement, and she said,
you know, our daughter is in a

766
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:15.400
very fragile emotional state because of this. She blames herself for things beyond a

767
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.599
child's control. And she was crying
when she was telling this, and I

768
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.039
just my heart. I wanted to
hug Sadie. You know. She said,

769
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:27.840
our boys wonder if they're going to
be adults when their dad gets out.

770
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:32.519
And then she said something about knowing
and that the intentions behind his big

771
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.039
blue eyes and that slicked black hair. She said, I know the intentions.

772
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.079
And she mentioned that she was going
to continue to teach their children the

773
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.519
good things about him, even though
his family continues to slander her name and

774
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:51.880
does not pursue a relationship with the
children. He did seem like he was

775
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.079
stressed at the thought of not seeing
his daughter, and so he brought that

776
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.519
up, and the judge did not
rule on that. He said the daughter

777
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.239
didn't ask for no contact. So
Zach will have the luxury of seeing and

778
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.719
talking to his children, but rosso
Leo won't. And Zach's going to get

779
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:14.280
to celebrate holidays and birthdays and milestones
in life with his family, but roso

780
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:20.239
Leo will not. The argument that
some have posed is that there's no proof

781
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.920
that roso Leo is dead, and
y'all, that is absolutely a ridiculous one.

782
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.360
There's blood all over the apartment,
missing rugs, no shows to camp

783
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.760
that he was supposed to go to
with his kids, no bank transactions,

784
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.960
no money withdrawn, no vehicle usage, no credit checks, no cell phone

785
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:39.719
or credit card usage, no contact
with his kids or his parents for years.

786
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.440
Give me a break. You are
wilfully ignorant if you want to believe

787
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:52.039
such an idea. There's still a
reward by the way out there for Rosolyo's

788
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.920
remains, and his mother said that
she's praying one day that maybe hikers or

789
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.159
hunters or someone might actually find his
body. All his mother would say to

790
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.719
the Anderson family was that if ever
you know, they would put themselves in

791
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.800
her shoes. What if it was
there Zachariah who was missing, wouldn't you

792
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:15.079
want answers to I've also got a
link to Rosolio's celebration of life, and

793
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.599
you can really get to know the
people in his family and get to learn

794
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.519
about him. But there was a
poem that his mother read at the funeral,

795
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:27.960
so I was going to read it
for you real quick. She said,

796
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.599
I would give my life to have
you back, said his mom.

797
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:37.000
I know you would, said her
son. I cry each night for you,

798
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.119
said his mom, and I catch
all your tears, said her son.

799
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.800
I pray for the day that I
can see you again, said his

800
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.280
mom. Close your eyes and you
can see me, said her son.

801
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.719
You are the first person who loved
me, and you are the first person

802
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.440
I loved. You were always there
when I needed you, and you always

803
01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:00.360
knew when I needed a hug.
I'm here for you now, Mom,

804
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.800
in your heart and in your soul. I did not take your heart with

805
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.719
me. Instead, I left mine
with you to hold. One day I

806
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:12.119
will take your hand and lead you
to paradise. But until then, my

807
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.880
beautiful mother, when you want to
see me, you only need to close

808
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:22.199
your eyes. So nobody no case. Was Zach's statement right, Well,

809
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.360
that looks to be untrue, along
with many of the other inconsistencies with Zach's

810
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:31.400
claims. There has been a case, and he has been found guilty on

811
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:37.639
all counts. Zach was the one
who had the means, the motive,

812
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:44.960
and the opportunity. And Zach was
set on revenge for losing control of the

813
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.599
mother of his children, and he
was mad about her happiness, But you

814
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.440
cannot create your own storm and then
get mad when it rains. And my

815
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.760
heart aches for Rosolio's family and for
his children that were left fatherless in this

816
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:05.880
case. I can't imagine the thoughts
roso Leo's family must be feeling of wanting

817
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.639
to get even with Zach for taking
away their beloved son, father, and

818
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:15.320
friend. But the thing is normal
people don't exact revenge on their adversaries like

819
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:21.599
a savage animal. Rosso Leo's family, I'm sure is hurt beyond words,

820
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:27.920
but for them, revenge isn't necessary
because, like clockwork, the Karma bus

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01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:29.159
always arrives on time,