July 15, 2025

Part Five | Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read

Part Five | Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read
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Season 7
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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning, Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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you're back for the other episode of Unspeakable, and this

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is gonna be the final, the grand ending. We will

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finish the care and read case today. I know you're

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excited about that because this has been a long one.

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Before I start that, I want to tell you this.

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So look for those. I'm really excited about them. I

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think they're awesome, and yes I made them, so totally

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stoked about that. Now, last episode we left off with

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a ton of deleted calls by Jennifer McCabe, and there

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was a lot of question about why would you delete

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phone calls in your logs? And then there was a

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whole bunch of chronic calling that was done between Jennifer

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McCabe and John O'Keefe's phone, which was kind of like,

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why were you doing that? And then she explained that

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a way to be butt dials. And so there was

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a whole lot going on when we finished last episode

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about some weird looking stuff going on in the cell

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phone world of all of these people involved. So let's

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pick back up with the date that John died, because

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I know this has been a long drawn out series here.

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He died on the twenty ninth of January. Well, on

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January the thirtieth, it was realized that not only did

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Jim McCabe and Carrie Roberts meet up that day, but

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both of the women and these are the only two

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other women that found John O'Keefe's body with Karen Reid right,

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So both women went to none other than Sergeant Lank's

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house like his personal home where he lived. Sergeant Lank, remember,

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was the first officer that's friends with the in law

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Alberts that went in and talked to them at the

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very beginning that morning, and it wasn't recorded and there

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was no body cam or anything like that. Us women

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went to Sergeant Lank's house. But what's interesting about this

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is that neither one of them remembered to tell the

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police this at any point during the investigation. But they

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also both forgot to mention whenever they were testifying in

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front of a grand jury to see if this should

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go to trial or not. Both women failed to mention

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it to the grand jury that they went to the

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lead investigator at that moment's home, his personal home together. Now,

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the way that this was figured out the records, phone

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records and GPS's were being scrutinized of these women, and

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so that's how this was figured out. Well, now that

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those records and those GPS's were really being looked at,

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the women gave an explanation as to why they were

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both at the very officer's house who investigated this case

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really early on, and when they were both con fronted

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about it, they both had an explanation of why they

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would have been at his house. Jen McCabe said that

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they were there to pick up or they were together. Rather,

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the two women were together because they went to pick

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up Carrie's daughter, who was friends with Sergeant Lank's kids,

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so their kids were friendly, so they had to go

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pick up their Carrie's daughter from the house. But then

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a year later, when they were questioned about that, she

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said that they were dropping off Carrie's daughter. So it

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seems like a small discrepancy in nature. But I may

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need to remind you of this because this is you know,

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we cut off last episode that the day before that

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all took place, Jen McCabe had texted her sister in

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Lonicole Albert the text of quote, we will get more

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info tomorrow end quote. When conveniently, now tomorrow was the

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very day that she and Carrie Robert, We're at Sergeant

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Lank's house. So were those two related in what they

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were saying that we'll get more information tomorrow and then

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they end up at the investigator's home or is that

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just explained away as we were either dropping off or

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picking up a kid, Because it's a different story when

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they were asked at different times. So Jim McKay is

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saying we either were dropping her off or picking her

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up whatever. But you have to ask yourself another question

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about this. How long would that have taken after arrival?

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So I want it before I go forward. If you

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were going to either drop off a kid or pick

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up a kid from a friend's house, how long would

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that take? Do you have a number in your head?

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I'm thinking seven to eight minutes, even if you have

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to wave and say hello or whatever. Seven to eight minutes.

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Now I wouldn't think that they would be talking because

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an investigator would realize that this is a suspect slash

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witness at his home the day after a body's been found.

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But whatever, we don't all think the same. I'm thinking

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seven eight minutes, say hey by, all right, see you later.

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Do you think it would take forty five minutes to

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an hour to either drop off or pick up a kid?

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Because Karen Reid's team realized this, and only then did

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Jen McCabe suddenly remember that Sergeant Lank's wife had come

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outside when they were there, and she had gotten in

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the car and spoke to Carrie and Jen. Sitting in

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the car, she said, I never went in the house.

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I forgot about this. Lank's wife came out, she got

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in the car with us, and we sat in the

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driveway talking. But then another problem was raised with that

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because her GPS showed that she did in fact go

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in the house. Your phone shows this, Jen, So what

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is it. You didn't stop, then you did stop for

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forty five minutes, then you're proven to have gone into

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the house. And then she says, oh, well, I may

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have gone inside to use the bathroom, but I know

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I did not talk to Sergeant Lank while I was there.

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But then she was confronted with yet another issue. Initially,

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she claimed that they left John's that day and then

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dropped Karen's daughter at Lan's, saying, we went together, We

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had Karen's daughter, We went to John's house, and then

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we went to Lank's house. But again that peschial cell

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phone showed something different. Jen McCabe left her house, did

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go to John's house. I believe it was had to

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do with kids again, exchanging kids. But then she went

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back to her house, and then she went to the

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in law Albert's residence i e. Her sister's house, and

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then she went to Sergeant Lank's house for almost an

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hour and then back home. So again after she was

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faced with this information, she then remembered, Oh, yeah, we

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went by the house, but again only after GPS proved this,

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and she says that they they just drove by the house.

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She says, we did not pick anybody up. We didn't stop,

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We just drove by the house, just randomly drove by

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on the way to Sergeant Lank's house. That she completely

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forgot to mention it, and even though it was completely

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out of her way, she and Carrie just drove by

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her sister's house just to look at it, but didn't

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pick anybody up. So were the women all getting together

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and then going to Lank's house to quote get more

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information to ensure that their stories aligned or is this

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all just a forgotten coincidence? I know I think that

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that stinks, but I'm gonna let you decide what you think.

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Maybe they just don't have a good memory of what

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they did that day. And the texts and her phone

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were also being scrutinized in relation to this even more

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because remember the family group text that I mentioned last episode,

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specifically where she was telling the people in her family

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Carrie is here, meaning at the mcab home, because she

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said she had asked Karen to come over to go

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over a timeline. Okay, remember that. Well, this was also

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on February first, one day before she handed over her

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phone to police. They were trying to put a timeline together.

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The day before she turns over her cell phone to police,

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and then a few days after that, Jen mccab calls

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Trooper Proctor, who she claims she doesn't know fourteen times.

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I'm gonna sprinkle something else in here that it was

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just too glaringly obvious for me to ignore. So I

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just want to add this in. Okay, the day after

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John's death, Jen McCabe went to John's house and said

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she wanted to see the family, She wanted to share

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in their grief, She wanted to show her love and

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support at the house. Okay, lots of people were there,

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People were in and out, they were dropping off food

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and doing those things that we all do during times

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of grief when there's a loss of somebody. And Jen

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McCabe stayed for a few hours at John's house. And

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this in and of itself is normal. I don't have

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any issues with that, except when you mix it with

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everything that I've just mentioned. Plus, she continued to stay

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in touch with Carrie, a woman she wasn't previously tight with,

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and after John's death, all of a sudden, they just

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are staying really She's staying really tight with this woman

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that she was not friends with before, really tight. And

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she said this was because they just became close friends

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after John's death and they had bonded through the trauma.

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But if that's all it was, then why was Jen

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McCabe asking Carrie to call the DA's office and ask

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questions for her. Why wouldn't Jen McCabe just call herself

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unless you didn't want the DA's office to know it

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was you that actually had the questions, maybe because you

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might be a suspect in something. She also knew that

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Carrie was also following the case closely on TV. Carrie

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was even going to court hearings because she wanted to

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know what happened to her friend. Carrie wanted to know.

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Carrie knew a lot. Like I said, I feel like

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Jen McCabe was using Carrie as a pawn. She was

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a tool in the game, and it kind of seemed

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like Jen McCabe went to John's house to go listen

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and maybe see what was being said at the house.

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I know that's a reach for some people, but she's

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not directly being involved or calling the DA's office herself.

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She's getting Carrie Roberts to do it. And then she

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goes and stays a couple hours at a house where

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most people were just staying for a little while, dropping

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off food and doing their thing. But I'm gonna let

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you decide what you think there. But back to Karen's SUV.

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So by now Karen's SUV data had been pulled because

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they had the vehicle in custody, and it gave a

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lot of insight to her driving the night of John's death.

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Because this has been huge what exactly happened while she

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was parked in front of the house. So what I'm

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gonna tell you is based on experts explanations of her

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vehicle's movement the night of John's death. And I'm basically

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gonna be summarizing here to get to the point, because

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I mean, I could spend a whole hour just on this,

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but you're not interested in that, I'm gonna sum it

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up for you, So here we go. A digital forensics

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expert analyzed the data from the SUV and identified what

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we're referred to as two triggering events. One was the

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vehicle turning on, which was at twelve twelve, and the

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second one was nineteen minutes later, and it was a

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three point turn that was made. So in that three

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point turn that was done, the data from her SUV

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showed that her SUV drove forward about thirty five feet

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before backing up roughly sixty two feet. But here's the thing.

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At seventy four percent throttle, which meant she was gassing it,

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and she reached twenty four miles per hour going back

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that sixty two feet. So I want to start out

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with saying that's fast for anyone to drive in reverse,

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and a reasonable person, I would say, would know that

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this was not appropriate. But I wanted to make sure

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I was really clear on how far that was. So

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I did what I do, and I know that I'm

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distance challenged. I couldn't necessarily narrow that down to put

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in a perspective in my mind's eye, so I googled

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it sixty two feet is the length of a bowling lane,

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So you're driving almost twenty five miles an hour in

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reverse the length of a bowling lane. So her car

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was also a smart car in terms of electronics, and

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her car would beep if she was close to something

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as well as she had a three hundred and sixty

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degree overhead camera on that SUV that showed all of

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her surroundings, assuming that she was even looking at it

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at that rate of speed. So I want you to

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get a picture of what all she would have had

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in her cabin of her vehicle and how fast she

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was going. According to John's phone, he didn't move after

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twelve thirty two, So if you add nineteen minutes to

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the time of the vehicle being turned on, it equals

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the time that John was believed to be hit and

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the time that his phone stopped moving. So the reason

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that I'm saying add the nineteen minutes is because I

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just told you her vehicle was turned on at twelve twelve,

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so I don't know. You know, she's in the front

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of the house. She cuts it off. She Karen Reid

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said that she sat out there a long time, but

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before she got pissed off and she left the house.

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So if the car turned on at twelve twelve and

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then the next triggering event was nineteen minutes later, if

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you add them together, you get the same time that

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John's phone stopped moving. That's why I'm telling you that.

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So after that event, John's phone didn't move again until

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six h four a m. I think you're kind of

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getting what I'm getting at It almost makes perfect sense

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that she would have hit him, like literally, the times

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add up perfectly that he stopped moving at that time.

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But the other issue then became that John's phone may

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not show that it's moving anymore, but his health data

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app did on his phone. It showed that John took

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eighty two steps over three minutes minutes, which included three

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flights of stairs. So, looking at this the end in

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law Albert's home had a basement. It also had an upstairs,

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but it was plausible to say that John could have

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gone in the house and then down to the basement

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and then carried back up after an altercation. But the

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data also showed that this happened between the twelve thirty

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one and the twelve thirty two timeframe, in which if

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you remember which I know you don't. That's why I

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keep having to go back and forth and tell you this.

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Karen's phone had already connected to John's WiFi by then,

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so it's just not jiving here. The vehicle data of

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Karen's SUV also did not show a collision in the

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data of her car, But to be fair, the experts

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also said that a human versus a vehicle's velocity at

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the speed she was going, he wouldn't weigh enough to

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register a quote unquote crash on the data. So the

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fact that but it wasn't there didn't mean anything in

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that regard. Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today?

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Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

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what happened in New York.

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It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

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you about yesterday in Louisiana.

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So if the health app is to be believed, then

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Karen couldn't have possibly hit him. The time doesn't work,

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but if the phone clock is to be believed, then

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she could have. So this is where I'm gonna insert

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my personal thoughts here. My own daughter and it was

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very bizarre that this happened. But my own daughter and

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I were looking at her health app about a week

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ago and it showed on her phone that she had

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gone up two flights of stairs that day when she

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had been at work in a one story building, and

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we laughed about it. She's like, what stairs did I

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go up? I said, I don't know. That app's stupid. Well,

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knowing what I know, I know that that happened in

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my life. Knowing what I know, I'm more inclined to

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trust the phone time, not the health app. And I

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even went to the health app myself in my phone

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to look at it, and the app says explicitly that

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a flight of stairs is logged if a person experiences

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a ten foot elevation change. So that got me going hmhm,

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because the average home in the US has nine to

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ten foot ceilings for reference. Okay, so it would be

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hard to fake that type of elevation change or to

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simply just get it wrong and then three times at that.

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So I don't know where you would stand with that.

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I know in my personal experience, I've seen it's wrong

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on the health Data app. But it also says that

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there's a ten foot elevation change required for it to

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show a flight of stairs. But you do you. I'm

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just telling you the facts of what were presented. So

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now let's go to Karen's tail light last episode. I

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told you all about the tail light pieces that were

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found after none were found the first search, and there

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then were more pieces found later on. And then the

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more pieces that were found were never documented nor photographed,

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yet they were turned in as evidence. So how could

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this possibly be explained? Well, Karen's team believed that the

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light may have been cracked when she bumped into John's

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car backing out the morning when they went to go

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find him, but the prosecution's case was that she hit

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John and the tail light shattered at the scene. The

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snow then must have inhibited the collection of all of

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the pieces, and so that's why they were found over

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the next few days, including a whole ass shoe of

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John's that was missing. So let's back up here for

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a second. When when Karen's car was taken into custody,

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there was a trooper. His name was Nick Barrows. Okay,

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Trooper Nick Barrows was called out about two thirty pm

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to go and get Karen's SUV. He was called by

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Trooper Proctor, and Trooper Proctor said it was to be

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seized because it was used in a homicide. And by

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the way, I want to make sure you understand this,

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I'm talking about the very same day of John's death.

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He already called this trooper who was with another agency,

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by the way, to say we're coming to get this

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vehicle used in a homicide. This is the very same

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day that he's dead. How did he come to the

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conclusion of homicide so quickly. Well, Trooper Barros was from

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another agency, like I said, but I want to make

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sure to point out he was no way affiliated with

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state Police or with Canton PD. What this was was

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a was basically a courtesy call. Proctor called that agency

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because it was a different jurisdic jurisdiction Proctor was going

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to have to go into this other jurisdiction, which is

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where Karen's parents lived, where the SUV was parked. Now

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to go get that car. So as a courtesy, he

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made the call to say we're coming in your jurisdiction,

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and the trooper from that jurisdiction would come and meet

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Trooper Proctor while the exchange happened. Okay, So Trooper Barros

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made it to Karen's parents' house around three twenty seven

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PM and he watched the entire thing go down. When

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Karen's vehicle was being towed away, a company named Diamond

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Towing arrived and they had a flatbed truck and they

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loaded Karen's vehicle on to that truck. Now, Trooper Proctor

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and his boss, which is Buchanic, they were on the

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scene as well. They were there with Trooper Barrows, but

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they were inside talking, I'm assuming with Karen's parents or

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whomever was in the house. So when Trooper Barrows got

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out of his unit when he first arrived, he walked

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up to Karen's vehicle that was being towed and he

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specifically walked around the vehicle all the way to the

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back and he stood there and he watched her vehicle

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being loaded on to that flatbed, and he noted in

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his report because he had to write a report too.

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Anything that happens, there's got to be a report written.

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He noted in his report that the right rear tail

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light was damaged, but his report stated that there was

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a crack in the light and that only one piece

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was missing. And the wording on the report said the

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light was quote not completely damaged, and that the piece

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that was missing was roughly six inches by three inches.

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So his report stated that there's a crack, but it's

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not completely damaged. And he was shown this trooper was

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shown a photo from evidence of Karen's rear tail light,

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and they said, is this the condition of the tail

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light when you were watching it being towed? And he

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stated that the light in that picture was and this

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is a direct quote, absolutely not in the same condition

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that the light was when the vehicle was being towed.

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He said, this picture is absolutely not the same as

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the condition of the light when it was being towed.

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And he specifically said that the middle section of the

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tail light was intact when he saw the vehicle. The

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only thing that he mentioned was missing, he said, was

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this tiny piece and he said it was nowhere near

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what that light looked like now in that photo. Trooper

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Baros not only wrote a report about this, but he

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also noted the exact time when he quote unquote cleared

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the scene. And I want to explain what this means.

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Whenever you arrive on scene as a police officer, you

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have to radio in when you arrive, and then when

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you clear the scene, you have to radio out that

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you're leading the scene. So leaving the scene or clearing

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the scene means that your mission is complete. And in

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his case, that Karen's vehicle was gone, it was being towed.

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The time that he cleared the scene was at four

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seventeen PM. And I'm being so specific right here because

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it will matter. Even the cameras at the read home,

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at the parents' home, captured the towing process and their

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cameras showed this happening, and you can see the car

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being towed up and guess what. The tail light in

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the back of that car is definitely way more intact

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than the evidence photo in the reports by trooper You

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can see it with your own eyes. And by the way,

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I do have pictures of this that I will put

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on Patreon for you. You can go make your own

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judgment call if you don't trust or if you want

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to just make your own judgment call either way. So

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Karen's defense team got to wondering how the hell could

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the tail light change so much from the time that

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it was towed to the time that the evidence photos

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were taken. Well, Karen's vehicle was reported to have been

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towed to the Canton PD Sallyport as evidence already, so

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they wanted to go. The team wanted to go look

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at the video of when the car was towed and

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compare the tail light to the condition upon arrival versus

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when it was first toad from the read parents' house. Well,

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issue number one, Karen's vehicle or the light nor the

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light were photographed when they first arrived at this sally port,

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so the comparison would not be possible. There was no

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picture to compare when it first arrived. Another issue was

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that the crime lib had trouble removing her tail light initially.

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So Gallagher, who works for the at the Canton pdee

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the Lieutenant Gallagher, he called and had another Canton officer

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show up who works on their fleet vehicles. This is

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very commonplace to have an officer that works on the

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fleet vehicles. That officer came to assist and pull the

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light out. Well, since they struggled pulling the light out,

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was it possible that it was broken at that point? Well,

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no one has mentioned this as an issue at all,

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So to guess that or infer that, no one has

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said it, and I think that that would be improper.

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No one has testified or made a statement that that happened. Well,

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the video at the sally Port showed that the vehicle

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arrived by tow truck at five thirty seven pm, but

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that was now not matching Proctor's report. His report said

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that he took custody of the vehicle at five point

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thirty pm. But remember I just told you he actually

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took custody of it when it left the Reeds Home

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back at four fifteen, four seventeen timeframe. This is gonna

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matter in a huge way in just a second. Okay,

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hang with me. The car arrived via tow truck to

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the sally Port and Trooper Proctor as well as Chief Berkowitz,

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the chief of Canton p D. They walk in that

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sally Port shortly thereafter, and the camera shows Proctor is

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standing near the rear light of the car but it

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was on the opposite side of the car. Have y'all

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ever seen the movie Speed. It's got Sandra Bullock in

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it and Keanu reeves the bus Speed. Yeah, it's a

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great movie. Jim loves it. Yeah, you'll leave that in. Okay,

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we'll leave that in for y'all. Yall can hear Jim

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be excited? Okay, great movie. But the way that they

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got busted, Do y'all remember how they got busted when

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they were trying to trick the bad eyes. It's because

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the video looped to show It was supposed to show

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that they were all seated, but the woman, the little

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Asian woman, slightly moved her arm and that's how the

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bad guy caught on because her arm would move, it

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would jerk and say he was like, wait a minute,

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this is loop ah right, And that's how the movie

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kind of goes Well, what happens here is kind of

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along the same lines, because while the defense team is

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watching and really scrutinizing this video, they noticed that suddenly

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someone appears out of thin air in the video at

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the very corner of the screen. It's like, what the hell,

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how did someone just appear? Did someone has this film

477
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.960
been edited? How did someone just appear? So a closer

478
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.680
look and y'all, it's up in the corner corner. It's

479
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:41.200
not the center of the frame. So you would have

480
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.720
to really really be looking to see this. But show enough, woop,

481
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.400
somebody just appears. So a closer look would show that

482
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:54.599
either the video had been edited or quote randomly missing

483
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.480
a portion of the tape endo quote like you know

484
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.240
when right when by the vehicle, What do you think

485
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.000
is it randomly missing a piece of tape? Or do

486
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.319
you think that someone edited it? Well, when they looked

487
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.640
at it even closer, try to understand what was going on,

488
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:18.039
Karen's defense team noticed something else. The video was actually mirrored, Okay,

489
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:24.480
mirrored meaning flipped. That would mean that Proctor when he

490
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.839
walks in, he's actually on the right side of the

491
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.559
rear of the vehicle, not the left. That means he's

492
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.039
standing right next to the tail light. That is going

493
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.880
to be argued as in a different condition than when

494
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.440
it left. And he uh the read home and he

495
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:46.400
took possession of the vehicle, so he's right out. You

496
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.440
can't see him. He's behind the vehicle and he's on

497
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.039
the right taillight. What the hell is he doing? So

498
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.519
why does someone magically appear in this edited video that

499
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.279
it looks like? And then why is it mirrored? Y'all?

500
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.279
It's a lot, it's a lot to take in. So

501
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.000
that's when the defense had an aha moment. They're like,

502
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:11.960
hold up, hold the fucking phone. No light pieces were

503
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.720
found in the first search after John's body was found. None.

504
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.400
Then that's when that SRT team was called in. But

505
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.680
they were called in and didn't show up until around

506
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.920
five pm. The reports even said this, and that's when

507
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.799
they found all of those pieces that no one had

508
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:37.839
seen before and a shoe. Well, whenever Sergeant Propters asked

509
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.319
about this, he's like, wait a minute, no, no, no, no, no,

510
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.319
that's not what's going on here. That must just be

511
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.960
a typo on my report. But it sure seems a

512
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.119
little more sus when you have a you're saying it's

513
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.000
a typo on what time you picked it up. But

514
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.720
combined with a mirrored video as well as someone magically appearing,

515
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.160
I don't know, y'all. Coincidences, I don't believe in them.

516
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.200
And if he had the vehicle at four fifteen pm,

517
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.480
yet he lied or errored, made a mistake, as he said,

518
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.640
it would have been an hour and fifteen minute error.

519
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.480
And then the video received was clearly edited and mirrored.

520
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:23.200
And the other unrelated officer from another town said that

521
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.359
the light was nowhere near the condition that he was

522
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.920
seeing in this picture when it left his possession. So

523
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.160
it sure seems like that left enough time now think

524
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.519
about it. That error on the report now left a

525
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.960
little bit over an hour where someone I don't know

526
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.920
could have possibly further broken the tail light and then

527
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.400
brought the pieces to thirty four Fairview to help out

528
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.359
his friends before the SRT team got there to do

529
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.039
the additional search. It sounds crazy until you put it

530
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.400
all together. And now his report showed that there was

531
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.920
some extra time there over an hour, and he's standing

532
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.799
right near the tail light that is now in much

533
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:12.640
different condition than it left the read residence. The incorrect

534
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.640
report time also adjusted in that regard for there to

535
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.960
not be enough time for him to go and disperse

536
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:26.839
more light fragments because he narrowed the window of opportunity.

537
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.400
So I don't know, y'all, this looks more like on

538
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.880
purpose than an accidental error on what time he says

539
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.359
he got the vehicle in his possession. It stinks. All

540
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.519
of this combined it stinks. So continue on with the

541
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.119
crime lab doing its thing. During their processing, they identified

542
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.839
glass on the back bumper of Karen's vehicle. That glass,

543
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.240
when it was tested, was found to not match any

544
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.960
glass from the vehicle. So still to this day, still

545
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.640
right now as I am recording this, I have no

546
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.000
answer as to where that glass came from, and neither

547
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.160
does anybody else. I have a theory. Okay, I can't

548
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.039
prove it at all what I'm about to what I'm

549
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.319
about to say, but it's clear that the light was

550
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.359
broken after it went into Procter's possession, or further broken

551
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.599
after it went in Proctor's possession. There's no other thing

552
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.440
that you could think happened here. With everything combined, it

553
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.960
almost seems like maybe someone used a similar glass like

554
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.519
John was holding and drinking when he got out of

555
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:38.400
the car, to further break the tail light, so the

556
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.319
pattern break could possibly be similar. I can't prove that

557
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.200
at all. I'm telling you now, I'm saying allegedly because

558
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.839
I can't prove this, but there are still to this

559
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.559
day no answers as to where this random glass came from.

560
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.559
It didn't come from the light bulbs in the rear

561
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.640
of the light. It didn't come from the tail light.

562
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.000
No one can match it to anything. So where did

563
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:03.799
this rando glass come from? Still no answers. They also

564
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.800
found zero blood, zero from John O'Keefe on that vehicle.

565
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.599
So now you're saying to me, Karen hit him and

566
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.719
killed him, but no blood transferred, none transferred on this vehicle.

567
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:24.000
They did recover one one hair, one single hair on

568
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.760
the back quarter panel of the vehicle, but that meant

569
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.159
nothing to me personally. I mean, he's in that car,

570
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.719
he's out of that car all the time. His hair

571
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.000
being there doesn't tell me anything, especially one like one

572
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.639
hair doesn't tell me anything. So as far as the

573
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.920
lab and John's clothing was concerned, it too was tested

574
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.800
for DNA that clothing and an animal DNA expert was

575
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.880
used for this because remember those scratches looked like a dog.

576
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.559
They look like a scratch and a bite. Well, they

577
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.320
did not find dog DNA. Did not find dog DNA.

578
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:03.440
But the reasoning would make complete sense because even according

579
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.840
to the dog expert, dog nails are made of keratin.

580
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.199
Keratin degrades substantially in that weather that they had with

581
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:18.480
the snow turning water, the cold conditions, and especially if

582
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.360
it was not collected correctly, that's it made sense that

583
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:26.960
there would be no dog DNA on the clothing. But strangely,

584
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:32.320
you know what they did find. They found pig dna.

585
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.320
No explanation there, really, they found pig dna. So it's like,

586
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.719
are there any rogue pigs running around out in a snowstorm?

587
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.039
That that's kind of crazy. So they talk more with

588
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.000
these with these experts, and the expert says, look, we

589
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.880
would need an actual claw from Chloe the dog to

590
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.440
test for scratching from an animal, but that wasn't provided

591
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.920
and it wasn't able to even be obtained because the

592
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:04.199
in law, Albert's, had since gotten rid of Chloe. Now

593
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.840
this became an argument too, They say we didn't get

594
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.480
rid of her, we re homed her. They also said

595
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.000
that Chloe had already gotten in a fight with other

596
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:18.199
dogs and even a person. Actually two women in recent

597
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.119
history went to the hospital trying to break up a

598
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.480
fight between Chloe and another dog. So they said they

599
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.440
they gave Chloe to some farmer in another state, right

600
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.599
whenever this happened. So I'm also going to add here

601
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.119
that they got rid of their home as well. The

602
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.119
in law Albert sold the family home that had been

603
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.239
in their family for fifty years. After this happened. The

604
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.440
in law Albert said that they had discussed this for

605
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:48.960
two years and this wasn't weird because their kids were

606
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.320
all growing up and about to be gone, and so

607
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.039
they were wanting to downsize because it was just too

608
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.239
much house. So some believed it was to get rid

609
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.000
of the house because something happened in that basement, maybe

610
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.559
a fight or something. Because guess what else, The in

611
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:08.000
law Alberts refinished their basement just before selling it, but

612
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.639
it wasn't fully remodeled, just the basement, and then here

613
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:19.679
ad this twice. The basement was ripped up. It was

614
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.400
done before John died because they said they had a

615
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:29.559
plumbing issue, but then it was remodeled again after John died.

616
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.719
It would it would take me too much time to

617
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.559
go through like everything in all of this. But basically

618
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.960
one side was saying, yeah, they had to redo it

619
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.639
twice because of sewage issues and so it had to

620
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.760
be resolved before it could be sold. But the other

621
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:49.000
side believed it was because blood cannot be erased. From cement,

622
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.840
and they believe that there might have been blood on

623
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.199
that cement floor, and so it had to be dug

624
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.559
up because not all of the basement was remodeled, just

625
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.800
a section of it, and not once but twice in

626
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.719
just a few years. So I'm leaving again, I'm leaving

627
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.679
that up to you to decide. You can decide which

628
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.960
side of that you want to be on. What about

629
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.679
the doctors involved in all of this, was further testing

630
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.800
done or observation done on John's body, Well, the wounds

631
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.840
found on John were not consistent with a vehicle strike. Well,

632
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.800
at least I'll tell you the ones on the arm

633
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.440
were not. Those looked more like animal scratches and bites.

634
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:30.599
If anything. The autopsy findings found that John did not

635
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.400
this was across the board, did not look to have

636
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.079
been hit by a car. And the medical examiner wouldn't

637
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.039
commit to this as a cause of death because it

638
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.079
was very unclear even with the information provided to her

639
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.880
what happened to John. But she would not say a

640
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.519
car hit him. It didn't look like it. And I

641
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.360
already told you about John's wound, so I'm not gonna

642
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.519
repeat all that here, but I'm gonna add a little

643
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.440
bit more information for your consideration. His blood alcohol content.

644
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.360
This was taken from his eye fluids. It was point

645
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.800
two eight. And by the way, ee fluid blood alcohol

646
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.119
content is a little bit more reliable than say, taken

647
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.679
from the dead body you know, elsewhere, because eye fluids

648
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.480
lag in their reduction rate of alcohol, so you can

649
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.159
get a better testing from eye fluids. So the doctor

650
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.360
that did this, her whole belief was that John had

651
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.119
struck the back of his head, and when he hit

652
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.280
the back of his head, that is what caused the

653
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.440
eye swelling and those eyes to feel full of blood.

654
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.119
They were a result to the back of the head.

655
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.559
The doctor was very clear about this. He had no

656
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.039
knuckle bruising at all. So if he had been in

657
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.840
a fistfight, he would have had knuckle bruising. She said,

658
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.719
he did not have any knuckle bruising. She said, the

659
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.360
bruise that she saw on him she believed to be

660
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.760
from an IV put in his hand. And she even

661
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.480
said because the actual needle point in the hand like

662
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.079
the little hole. She could see it, so when you're

663
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:00.519
looking at the pictures of it, his hands are like

664
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.159
there is a bruise. She said that was from IV

665
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.079
when they were trying to bring him back and try

666
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.920
to keep him alive. She also said, yeah, he did

667
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.119
have rib fractures. So you're like, okay, well the car

668
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.320
could have hit him, and she said nope. She said

669
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:18.800
those rib fractures were consistent with CPR and extensive resuscitation efforts.

670
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.000
She's seen it a million times. And she said he

671
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.760
also would not have died immediately with what was going

672
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:31.199
on here. So, as far as being directly asked, was

673
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.800
John hit by a car? Can you say yes or no?

674
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.960
Her exact words were, quote, it's likely and it's unlikely.

675
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.519
It just depends on too many factors. So they took

676
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:49.039
John's brain. They sent his actual brain to a brain specialist,

677
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.159
and her findings were based just on the injury to

678
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.800
his brain. And this specialist said that the damage to

679
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.880
his brain showed the initial impact was from the back

680
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.719
of the head, not from the front, like a fistfight.

681
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:08.239
So what about in terms of probability, what's the probability

682
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.119
that he was hit by Karen's car based on the

683
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.800
crime scene reconstruction. And I know I'm throwing a lot

684
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.400
at you, but that's just the way we're gonna have

685
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.039
to summarize here. Well, the state did do an initial

686
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.880
investigation investigation using their crime scene reconstructionist, And I want

687
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.159
to give you a little bit of info on this guy.

688
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.440
His name was Trooper Paul and he was certified to

689
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.400
do reconstruction accident reconstruction. How was he certified? I wanted

690
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.239
to tell you this because he had an associate's degree

691
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.880
and then he went to some trainings and took some

692
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:45.400
courses to qualify him for this. So, based on his

693
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:51.320
drawing and his math calculations, he felt that basically Karen

694
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:56.599
hit John. He flew backwards towards the flagpole, and that's

695
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.480
how he got all his injuries. And without going into

696
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.039
specific because it's technical and it's unnecessary for me telling

697
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:07.079
the story, the math wasn't mathing. Even the experts said,

698
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.199
this math isn't mathing where the pieces of tail light

699
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.760
were found. It just did not compute with where John's

700
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.559
body was found. He would have had to have literally

701
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:23.119
flown backwards in the air, purewetted, and then landed where

702
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.960
he was in relation to where the pieces were later

703
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.559
found in the taillight. It just didn't make sense, and

704
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.000
I felt he may know. When I was listening to

705
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.800
this man talk, okay, I personally felt like he may

706
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.239
know how to do accident reconstruction, but he came across

707
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.079
as not well prepared and he was unable to specifically

708
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.960
articulate how he got to the findings that he found.

709
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.239
And I would personally have to agree that there was

710
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.000
something called confirmation bias in his quote unquote reconstruction that

711
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.599
he did. Basically, when he pulled up, they told him

712
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.719
what happened, and he may the evidence fit what he

713
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.559
was told happened instead of pointing out the obvious flaws.

714
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.519
And I say this because another reconstruction specialist was brought

715
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.320
in to determine what he thought could have happened. Now,

716
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.000
this guy's name is doctor Daniel Wolf. He is an

717
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.920
accident reconstructionist and if you're on TikTok you will know

718
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:24.320
him because TikTok loves him. He's handsome. I'm sure that helps, okay,

719
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.960
But he is clearly more qualified in the physics and

720
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.360
mathematics portion of accident reconstruction versus the officer who made

721
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.960
his report. This guy is an expert. He is a PhD,

722
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.599
very confident, and he's a third party in this case,

723
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.000
with no hiring by either side the prosecution or the

724
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.320
defense in this for his opinion. So the first guy

725
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:51.599
had an associate's degree, a two year community college degree,

726
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.519
and then he did some trainings. This guy that I'm

727
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.199
about to tell you about PhD big time. No fight in,

728
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.079
no dog in the fight. He just came up with

729
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.679
his conclusions. And his specialties include bio mechanical engineering and physics.

730
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.719
So his job that he does is also part of

731
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.480
studying sports injuries because they play a large role. His

732
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.800
company that he works for plays a large role in

733
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:23.119
aiding and better equipment to avoid injuries, and also in vehicles,

734
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.360
so think like sport, you know, football helmets and things.

735
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.480
So he has to actually know the body and specifics

736
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:34.559
to injuries in car wrecks and sports, etc. He seems

737
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.760
very qualified for this, the most qualified person I think

738
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.360
they could find. Basically, his question that he was asked

739
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.559
was how much force is allowed before injuries occur and

740
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.599
what type will they be? So they often use crash

741
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.599
test dummies and they're testing to allow for what they

742
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:55.639
call human factors. And his overall finding and these are

743
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.199
my words, by the way, not his, but his overall

744
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.559
finding was that John O'Keefe was not hit by a

745
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.519
car and his damage to his body would have been

746
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.000
much worse if so. He also said the car light

747
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:13.679
would not have exploded at the rate of speed that

748
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.280
the car data showed. It just wouldn't have worked that way.

749
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.239
Tail Lights are made of polycarbonate specifically because of their

750
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:26.440
impact resistance, and so the curvature, admittedly on a light

751
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.719
at some points does have it can create a concentrated

752
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.079
area of stress. But again he opined this that it

753
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.000
simply was not possible as the state's reconstructionists said it happened,

754
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:44.519
It's not physically possible. So then a doctor, Elizabeth Lopisada

755
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.559
was brought in. She's a forensic pathologist. She reviewed John's

756
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.280
physical injuries and her overall finding was that John's injuries

757
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.000
were not consistent with a vehicle strike. Another doctor, doctor

758
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.840
Marie Russell, she's a dog bite x She said that

759
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.079
John's arm injuries were consistent with dog bites. And I'll

760
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.239
add to this for your knowledge that she was this

761
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.440
was her specific specialty. She was a medical doctor who

762
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.079
studied dog bite wounds for many many years and was

763
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.800
even published in the field. So Basically, what I'm telling

764
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.679
you is that every qualified expert from every angle agreed

765
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.440
that this was not consistent with being hit by a car.

766
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.840
So then why the hell you have to ask yourself

767
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.320
was all the sketchy shit happening by the in law Alberts,

768
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.519
the mccabs and so many officers that knew them. Well,

769
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.920
let's summarize real quick the two overall theories at play.

770
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:48.039
The prosecution's theory was that John and Karen were fighting

771
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:50.760
because he was going to break up with her. She

772
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.639
got mad, she gassed her vehicle and she backed into

773
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.960
him in a drunken fit of anger, and then she

774
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.519
tried to cover it up with all of the calls

775
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.599
and all the searching that she did the next morning.

776
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:09.920
Karen's defense and opposite their theory was that Karen dropped

777
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.239
John off at the party. John went in the house

778
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.800
and was some point, at some point either attacked by

779
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.559
the dog or by a person, and specifically they kind

780
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.039
of were leaning towards at f Higgins, which killed him.

781
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.400
And then they tried to frame Karen with the help

782
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:32.199
of the police and the brother the Brothers in Blue.

783
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.480
So for starters, Karen did go on trial for this

784
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.000
and her first trial ended in a mistrial. It ended

785
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.480
up being a mix of unable to agree on the

786
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:45.679
evidence combined with a confusing verdict form, and the jury

787
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.360
didn't know if basically they had to do an all

788
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.159
or nothing vote or if the multiple charges could be separated.

789
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.559
That jury said they did agree behind closed doors that

790
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.519
she was guilty of one of the charges. It was

791
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.880
the involution luntary manslaughter, which was a lesser included, but

792
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.519
they kept debating on whether it had to be all

793
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.159
or nothing on how they voted, and that's why they

794
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.440
became hung. This is per a juror that was on there,

795
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:13.960
and I listened to him talk about it. Some of

796
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.000
the jurors wanted to ask questions, some didn't. The process

797
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.960
was so confusing for them. They are not experts, and

798
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.480
a lack of explanation to the jurors was the issue

799
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.360
so open discussion for lay people. My point here is

800
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:33.920
that it's vital. Yet the fear of persuading an outcome

801
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.599
is what I think the judge was facing, because if

802
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:40.480
you know, they couldn't straight up ask if they were

803
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.159
deadlocked on one but clear on another charge, can we

804
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.840
come to the conclusion or just one or must we

805
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.599
come to a conclusion on all three and the judge,

806
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.440
you know, they didn't get to do that, and everyone

807
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.360
was afraid that they might influence the judge and it

808
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.559
would or the judge would influence the jury and this

809
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:02.280
would become a hot mess. So the mistrial happened. So

810
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.480
that's when the state doubled down and they went after

811
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:09.679
Karen Reid again. And in the second trial, the lead

812
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.519
investigator of this proctor, the guy I've been talking about

813
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:18.239
for five plus hours in this series, the lead investigator

814
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:24.880
did not even testify. How insane is that a state

815
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.760
is going after Karen Reid, not once, but twice because

816
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.039
they are so convinced that she killed John, Yet the

817
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.639
lead investigator, the guy who led the charge against her,

818
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:45.320
doesn't even testify. That's crazy, that's asinine, it's insane, and

819
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.800
it's all because, in my opinion of everything I've just

820
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.320
told you, this case fell to shit whenever Karen Reid's

821
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:56.119
defense team put on a clinic on how to defend somebody,

822
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.840
an absolute clinic on how it's done. And Karen Reid,

823
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.840
i will let you know, was found not guilty after

824
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.760
thirty one days of testimony in her second trial. So

825
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.719
here it is, y'all, the big event. What do I

826
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.960
think happened? Since everyone in their mama has been asking me, Kelly,

827
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.119
what do you think happened? What do you think happened? Well,

828
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:19.320
I'll tell you this. It's something that no one else

829
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.440
has specifically said. But I feel very confident in my

830
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:26.119
theory and that I watched this trial from beginning to end,

831
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.639
and this is my opinion based on everything I personally

832
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:33.159
weighed in this case. I also want you to know

833
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.079
that I cross reference to my timeline to the best

834
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.159
that I could to see if what I thought was plausible,

835
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.159
and it is. So here goes. Are you ready? I

836
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.239
do not think that Karen Reid hit John O'Keefe, but

837
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.840
I also do not think anyone else did either, And

838
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.199
I'm going to defend my opinion. So hold you damn

839
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.360
horses if you're tripping right now, all right, this is

840
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.760
what that I happened. They were all drinking at the

841
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:07.599
waterfall atf Higgins texted Karen while they were there and

842
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.599
was following up on all of their sexy flirting, but

843
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:17.039
per everybody's discussion about this, Karen never answered him. Hang

844
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.320
on to that old neighbor Alberts. That's Chris and Julie

845
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.639
that owned the pizza Alberts. Julie left early because she

846
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.119
had a headache. Chris stayed a little bit longer and

847
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.239
then he walked home, which took him about five to

848
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.880
eight minutes. It was really really cold, and so when

849
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.119
he got there, he went straight up to his room,

850
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.519
he changed clothes, and he got in bed with Julie. Meanwhile,

851
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.440
Karen and John got in her car to head to

852
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.920
the in law Alberts. I want you to know neither

853
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.840
one of them had ever been to the in law

854
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.679
Alberts before. While they were driving, I believe that John

855
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.599
saw the unopened text message from ATF. Higgins on Karen's

856
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.480
phone because it would have right there on the screen

857
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.599
and at the top of the text message list. Remember

858
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.840
she never answered him, and that notification would have been

859
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:12.320
on the iPhone popped up right there as a red circle.

860
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.159
Maybe John thought that it was the directions to the

861
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.960
house because they didn't know where to go. But I

862
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.519
think that John opened her phone and that's when he

863
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.079
found that ATF. Higgins had sent her that text. He

864
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.559
had already confronted Karen in the past about thinking something

865
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.960
was going on. She admitted that, well, I think they

866
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.719
had only been texting for twelve days. Remember, I think

867
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.280
that he scrolled back in those text messages to understand

868
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.079
why they were texting to begin with, and he sees

869
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:47.360
the sexy talk. This would explain the quick shift from

870
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.840
lovey dovey in the bar to fighting in just minutes

871
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.039
during the drive, because everyone's like, how could that happen?

872
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.360
That's how the hell that could happen. So now they're

873
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:02.280
in an argument. They're fighting Ellen Albert, the nephew left

874
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.679
the in law Albert's home at that point. He was gone.

875
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:10.119
The text messages in my timeline show that Karen and

876
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.559
John arrive in front of the in law Albert's home

877
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.320
and they are in the suv fighting out front of

878
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.599
the house. John's wanting answers and Karen is feigning that

879
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:24.159
he is being ridiculous because he knows what he saw

880
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.320
in those messages y'all. But she's feigning that he's just

881
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.079
being ridiculous and you know, you're out of line and

882
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.679
I didn't do anything. He says, Okay, well fine, I'm

883
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.480
gonna go ask him myself. Come on, let's go ask him.

884
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.679
I just see this happening as an argument. Get out

885
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.519
of the car. Let's go. He's in there, Let's go

886
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.960
talk to him. Karen says no. The reason she says no,

887
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.320
she's drunk and she knows she's cooked. She is cooked

888
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.400
if she has to answer questions right there, face to

889
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.519
face with everybody while all of this is happening. That's

890
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.119
when that boy that witness pulls up and he stops

891
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.639
to get his sister. But remember she says, never mind.

892
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.000
When they go to leave the house. The brother when

893
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:07.159
he goes to drive off, John I think had already

894
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:11.639
exited Karen's vehicle and he was on the house side

895
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.679
of Karen's suv as that guy was driving pass. So

896
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.480
basically that's why he saw Karen alone with the dome light.

897
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.079
Because he was going on one side of the suv

898
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.000
while John was on the back side of the suv.

899
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.079
He simply would not have seen him. And I think

900
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.119
that John still had the drinking glass in his hand

901
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.400
because we know he left the bar with it. So

902
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.119
Karen's now pissed because she's gonna get busted about the

903
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.639
Brian atf Brian Higgins situation. So Karen is now in

904
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.400
the dome light in the suv and she's kind of

905
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.639
looking through her phone to kind of remember what all

906
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.079
had been said to atf Higgins because John got out

907
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:55.360
pissed and he's now going up to the house. I think,

908
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.159
so remember that that in law Alberts and everybody are

909
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.400
now inside the house. They were waiting for John and

910
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.920
all of them to show up. Chloe the dog started

911
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.800
barking whenever she heard people at the house. So the

912
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.840
in law Albert's are at the back door. Brian Albert

913
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.639
himself said, I opened the door and I let Chloe

914
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.159
out to potty. And something that stuck with me during

915
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:24.239
the testimony is that he said that she misbehaved around

916
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:30.559
other people. She's not good with people. And so the gate,

917
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.679
if you're looking at the front of the house, the

918
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:37.519
gate to the backyard is directly to the left hand

919
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.559
side of the home, which is directly in line with

920
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.920
the flagpole, which was right there where Karen Read's vehicle

921
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:49.320
was parked. So he let Chloe out. The gate was open,

922
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.199
the one right in front of where Karen is parked,

923
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.079
even Nicole Albert in law Albert Nicole said Chloe used

924
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.559
the bathroom in the backyard unless the gate was left open,

925
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.880
which obviously had already happened in the past because of

926
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.519
the past dog bite incident in front of the house.

927
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.519
So Karen gets pissed and she does the infamous three

928
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:18.639
point squeal, tires back out, and she drives off mad Chloe.

929
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.400
In the meantime, she has made her way out of

930
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.760
the open gate, and I think that she either spooked

931
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:31.480
John who slipped and fell, or I think that John

932
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.679
was still in that area of Karen's car as she

933
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.719
did the back out, but maybe he tried to get

934
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.039
out of the way and he slipped and he fell

935
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.079
because his feet came out from underneath him, which one

936
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.639
I don't know exactly, but don't forget his blood alcohol

937
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.480
content was like pretty high, so he was drunk. Balance

938
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.039
would have been an issue, I'm sure either way. So

939
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.239
either either way, I think that John slipped and fell

940
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.360
backwards and hit his head. Well, Chloe goes up to

941
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.920
John and she tries to kind of rouse him to

942
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.760
wake him up. She digs and then she kind of

943
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.239
does the little snip at him to get him up.

944
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.079
This is why the wounds don't look like a dog attack,

945
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.400
but rather a nip or a bite. And they're scratching.

946
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.440
And this also makes complete sense to me because of

947
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.840
the pig DNA that was found. Why because while I

948
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.480
was writing my notes, I looked down and watched my

949
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.960
own weeny dog, Toby in my living room chewing on

950
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.079
a pig ear. The light went off. Duh. Chloe was

951
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.880
chewing on a pork treat of some type type before this,

952
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.199
a pig ear or whatever. It's so common. The scratches

953
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.239
wouldn't have DNA remaining because the claws were made of

954
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.119
the keratin and the snow would have dissolved this, but

955
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.000
the pig DNA would have remained from the teeth from

956
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:56.719
chewing on a dog treat. Then Brian Albert, who is

957
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:00.360
still at the back door, is calling for Chloe, and

958
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:06.559
Chloe either comes back for the recall or Chloe does

959
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:10.800
not come back for the recall, So somebody went outside.

960
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.000
I don't know if it was the in law Albert's

961
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.280
that went out front to try to find Chloe, or

962
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.079
if it was the mccabs, but somebody went outside at

963
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.360
that point. Maybe the mccabs were leaving, or maybe it

964
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.159
was out Brian Albert going to find the dog, but

965
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.880
either way, someone went outside and that's when they found

966
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:33.920
John on the ground. Chloe is out there and they think,

967
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.320
oh my god, did Chloe attack him. This would have

968
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.440
been the second attack where she did something that injured someone,

969
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:48.280
and John's wounds were clearly grave. Two women were injured

970
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:49.719
and had to go to the hospital to break up

971
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.280
a dogfight with Chlode, which tells me she has been

972
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.320
loose out front before and has not been monitored closely

973
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.920
every single time. And in their minds they were gonna

974
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:06.440
lose everything everything. Even Brian Junior testified that he got

975
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:11.599
in bed after twish and he admits Brian Senior admits

976
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.360
that he and his wife were awake, supposedly doing sexy time,

977
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.039
but during sexy time, supposedly he calls Brian Higgins at

978
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:25.000
two twenty two am. Then roughly five minutes later at

979
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:29.079
two twenty seven that's when Jen McCabe searched how long

980
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.440
to Die in the snow to see if there was

981
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:36.840
a possibility to save him, and there wasn't. I googled

982
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.599
it myself, by the way, how long to die in

983
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.000
the snow? And the answer that pops up if you

984
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:47.239
google that says, quote extremely cold temperatures, especially with wind

985
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.039
chill can cause frostbite within minutes. Hypothermia, where the body

986
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.679
loses heat faster than it can produce, can lead to

987
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:58.559
death in under an hour in very cold conditions. This

988
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:03.440
meant Chloe had and let out over two hours by now,

989
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.360
so John would have been past saving. They left him

990
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.039
there because he was already gone, hoping someone else would

991
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:17.360
find him, allowing them plausible deniability because there wasn't anything

992
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.880
they could do to save him, and they didn't want

993
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.039
their dog to be the link to them being responsible

994
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.960
for it. They didn't kill him, but they knew they

995
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.679
had to distance themselves from him. Thus that's why ATF.

996
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.360
Higgins dropped by the Canton p D. Forty five minutes later.

997
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.000
What were they doing in the forty five minutes trying

998
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.519
to figure out what to do? But I digress, And

999
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:42.639
that's why ATF. Higgins claims he left the Alberts home

1000
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.599
with no explanation. He didn't tell anybody by. He just

1001
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:50.159
decided to leave, and then he checked for any calls

1002
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.360
whenever he poked his head in and said hey to

1003
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.920
Sergeant Good, trying to figure out has anyone called in

1004
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:56.880
for the body yet? But they just said hey, man,

1005
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.400
what's going on? Slow night? Not much going on. When

1006
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.079
he was there ATF Higgins, put his phone in a

1007
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.960
Faraday bag so that it could not track his movements

1008
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:10.920
whatever he was doing at that point. Karen then leaves

1009
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.920
the voicemails. Remember I say then, but I'm kind of

1010
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.079
I can't say things at the exact same time. But

1011
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.440
all of those voicemails, I want to address those. It

1012
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.280
makes sense that Karen left the voicemails calling John a

1013
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.880
pervert because he accused her of putting the f in

1014
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.840
ATF Higgins. If you follow what I'm saying. He accused

1015
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.599
her of sleeping with him or messing with him or whatever.

1016
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:35.320
And that's why she brings up John's discretions in the voicemails,

1017
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.760
saying that you want to hook up with other women

1018
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.760
because when they were on vacation, Remember John had kissed

1019
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:45.400
that other girl. Well, she's drunk, Karen's drunk, and she's

1020
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.079
bringing up John's indiscretions to justify that he is wrong.

1021
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.000
He is a pervert for accusing her of that. Remember,

1022
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:54.679
you want to hook up with the other women, blah

1023
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.480
blah blah blah blah, because they're both toxic together and

1024
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.559
they're acting like teenagers whenever they fight. She drove to

1025
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:06.000
John's house, passed out, and awoke a few hours later,

1026
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:10.079
realizing John never came home. That's why she called the women,

1027
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.239
because those women might know where he is because they

1028
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.199
knew him. She was not good friends with those women,

1029
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:21.039
but she knew they knew him, and they agreed to

1030
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:28.000
co help find him. Jen McKay says to Karen Reid,

1031
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.039
come to my house because Jen wanted someone else with

1032
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:35.599
her to find him. I think that she already knew

1033
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.119
that John would be found out there, and I think

1034
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:41.039
that she was trying to protect herself and her sister

1035
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.920
by having someone else with her whenever they find the body.

1036
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.719
So when Karen backs out, that's when she bumped John's car,

1037
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.719
causing that jagged broken piece at the top of the

1038
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:56.920
tail light. All of the women get together after that

1039
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.679
point and they all go back to John's house, which

1040
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.320
love be for Jen McCabe. That's when Karen noticed that

1041
01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:06.679
her tail light was broken, and that's when Jen realized

1042
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.360
that that would tie her to hitting John and it

1043
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:13.599
would take the heat off of her sister. So the

1044
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.039
shock was genuine and it was real with Karen when

1045
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.519
she found John, because she did wonder, oh my god,

1046
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.440
maybe I did hit him. Maybe I did hit him.

1047
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.079
Whenever she sped away from the house all pissed off,

1048
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.559
she was in shock. She was giving CPR because the

1049
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.719
sight of him dead was new to her. That's why

1050
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.800
she was screaming, Carrie, Carrie, Carrie, Jen Jen. It seemed

1051
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:41.159
very very real to me. But Jen was more calm

1052
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.480
whenever she calls nine one one. I wonder why, because

1053
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.360
she already knew that he was there. So the in

1054
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:49.519
law Alberts never came out because they knew the deal

1055
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.199
and they wanted to seem unaware. The police arrived at

1056
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:57.480
five am. Jen McCabe called her sister thirty eight seconds long,

1057
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.079
but maintained she didn't talk to her. But I think

1058
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.039
that this was some type of alert of some sort

1059
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.719
to say, all right, the police are here. Lank goes

1060
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.920
in the house alone, talks to his good friends. They

1061
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.679
kind of are like, we didn't do anything. She hit

1062
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.039
him with her car, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

1063
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.920
So going off of the new broken light awareness, they

1064
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:22.679
all start shifting to say Karen said she hit him,

1065
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.159
rather than could I have hit him then other friends.

1066
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:33.320
Sergeant Proctor is assigned lead. The original reports said thirty

1067
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:36.800
four Fairview, but that changed to the next door address

1068
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.199
given at some point, so it kind of seems like

1069
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.519
that's the next door neighbor's property and not a direct

1070
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.199
tie to the Alberts directly. Are you following me? Because

1071
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:50.039
it's remember it switched to thirty two Fairview. Jim's search

1072
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:54.239
data would make sense in that the planeted pieces of

1073
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.239
tail light weren't yet thought of, and she didn't know

1074
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.639
about the broken tail light yet. At that point, they

1075
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.239
were just gonna pretend they didn't know what happened to John.

1076
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:07.559
He must have fell outside or something, but they think

1077
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:12.760
Chloe did something. You follow me? Proctor then says she's

1078
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.000
fucked in the text messages because he's going to make

1079
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:20.199
sure that the case against Karen is solid. Proctor further

1080
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.920
broke the tail light to add more evidence because he

1081
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.199
believed the Alberts and he wanted to seal the deal

1082
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.480
against Karen. It's not that I think that they were

1083
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:34.760
This is going to sound weird. I don't think that

1084
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.760
Proctor had a vendetta against Karen personally. I think he

1085
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.440
was just trying to make it more clear and convincing

1086
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.480
that Karen must have hit him based on what the

1087
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.599
Alberts told him. He goes into the sally port after

1088
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.639
the vehicle. The video, by the way of that exact

1089
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:57.639
moment is missing and was inverted and then given to

1090
01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.280
the defense to look like he was on the other

1091
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.800
side of the car. He then went, but when he

1092
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.119
was there is when he broke those pieces further. He

1093
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.960
then went, in that hour and a half threw those

1094
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:13.079
pieces in the yard before the SRT team was contacted.

1095
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:17.559
This also explains why no reconstructionist could make it make sense,

1096
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.719
because they weren't in the right place, nor distributed properly,

1097
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.480
nor would a light explode like that. The only way

1098
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.559
that that could have happened is someone put those pieces there.

1099
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.639
But Proctor never imagined he would be questioned on this.

1100
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:33.159
He thought that he was just going to seal the deal.

1101
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:35.960
That's why he lied on the report time of getting

1102
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:40.199
the vehicle, and the other non affiliated cop said the

1103
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.679
light did not look anything like what the picture showed,

1104
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.079
because it would mean that he had time to plant

1105
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:50.760
the pieces unless he made the timeframe too close. Jen

1106
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:53.400
then calls Karen to quote unquote go over the timeline

1107
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:56.920
to make it make sense. She tells Carrie that Karen

1108
01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:01.000
said I hit him. She tells Carrie that Karen asked

1109
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:03.400
her to google how long to die in the snow,

1110
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.440
which Carrie then later admitted she did not hear herself

1111
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:12.079
that Jen had reminded her. Jen is steadily texting the

1112
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:15.079
family in the group messages updating them about everything that's

1113
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.760
going on. Then the group of ladies go by Lank's house.

1114
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:21.320
They stay for forty five minutes to go ahead and

1115
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.440
make sure they're sharing up all of the details. In

1116
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:28.519
law Brian Albert and ATF. Higgins both get rid of

1117
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:32.960
their cell phones conveniently, and then Jen deletes her messages

1118
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:36.440
and her search history within two days before her cell

1119
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.880
phone was seized. Chloe was then rehomed and the house

1120
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:44.280
was sold. That is what I think happened, Karen read

1121
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:47.639
then goes on trial again the second time, and realizing

1122
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.000
that Proctor is a total fuck up and that they're

1123
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:53.639
busted on what's going on. He doesn't even testify even

1124
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.320
though he is the lead investigator, and then Karen is

1125
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.360
found not guilty. Now one more time, y'all, I wasn't

1126
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:02.840
there whenever John died. I have no direct knowledge of

1127
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.880
any of this, but I am someone who watched thirty

1128
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.719
one days of testimony. I weighed the evidence myself, and

1129
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:12.239
I have come up with that conclusion myself. I could

1130
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:16.079
be wrong, but that's how I have interpreted everything from

1131
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:22.600
this case. Shitty policing, lying, and drunkenness is why John

1132
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:26.600
O'Keefe has been lost in all of this. If you've noticed,

1133
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.520
I have now spent hours telling you a story that

1134
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.800
two sides have fought about and how they're saying that

1135
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:38.720
each other is lying. But John, he's still dead. He

1136
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:43.920
is still gone. Everyone he devoted his time too and

1137
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.720
considered his quote unquote people in the end proved to

1138
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:52.199
be quite useless to him. His friends looked shady as hell,

1139
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:57.399
police seemed unconcerned with finding the truth behind a brother

1140
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.960
in Blu's death, and his girlfriend was cheating on him.

1141
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.079
I don't know into how many more ways someone could

1142
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:08.159
be victimized, what else could have been done to him?

1143
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:12.720
All of these same people smiled in his face just

1144
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.359
minutes before he died. In whatever way it went down,

1145
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.960
they all should be ashamed in my opinion, all of them,

1146
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.840
And I do hope I know this has been a

1147
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.119
long series, but I do hope you will remember that

1148
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.600
John O'Keefe was real and that his life was ended

1149
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:34.479
in some way that we now will probably never know.

1150
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.680
No one, I bet will ever be held accountable because

1151
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.960
it turned into a shit show, with John O'Keefe the

1152
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:48.319
victim being lost in all of it. Usually I give

1153
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.439
y'all a little snarky ending, but this time I'd rather

1154
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.520
give John the last word. I'll tell you I never

1155
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.840
knew him personally, but if he had something to say

1156
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.760
to all of these people that night, I bet it

1157
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:08.079
would sound a little something like this. If you're hearing this,

1158
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:13.079
congrats y'all outlived me. It must be nice, huh. One

1159
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.760
less person to ignore, to betray, or to emotionally drain.

1160
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:22.439
To my so called friends, thanks for disappearing when things

1161
01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:25.760
got real. You mastered ghosting like it was a damn

1162
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:31.439
Olympic sport. To my coworkers, your backstabbing and fake smiles

1163
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:36.039
were almost impressive. If mediocrity and manipulation ever needed a mascot,

1164
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.239
you'd all be in the running. And to my girlfriend,

1165
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.079
you were the cherry on top of this shit Sunday,

1166
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.479
you love bombed me you drained me and you called

1167
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:49.640
it passion. It's really cute. But don't worry, y'all. I'm

1168
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:54.319
not bitter. I'm just dead. And now, finally I don't

1169
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:56.680
have to carry the weight of people who treated me

1170
01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:59.239
like a footnote in their story. You all got what

1171
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.960
you wanted, your freedom from having to pretend that you care.

1172
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.680
So sleep easy. No more fixing what you broke, no

1173
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:12.199
more forgiving what you never apologized for. The snow that

1174
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.359
fell that night contributed to my death just as much

1175
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.119
as y'all did, and in the same fashion, when the

1176
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:21.199
sun came out, y'all both disappeared. If I had to

1177
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.079
choose between your friendship and the snow, I'd pick the snow.

1178
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.680
You know why, because at least it did what we

1179
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:27.720
all expected it to do.