July 1, 2025

Part Three | Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read

Part Three | Did She Do it: The Investigation Into Karen Read
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Season 7
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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning, Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, it's

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kjre for another outstanding episode of Unspeakable, and we just

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gonna have to bow our heads right now in prayer, because,

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as you know, because you've been listening to this series

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I'm doing on this Karen Reid trial, this has been

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all over the place. If you followed any of this

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before I'm telling you the story, you know exactly what

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I'm talking about. If you haven't followed it, hold onto

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your butt crack, because now we're about to do some

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zigging and some zagging and some bobbin and some weaving. Okay,

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so get your running shoes on, get a helmet, whatever

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you need, because this is about to go everywhere, all right,

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So let's pray Lord help Kelly get through this one. Amen,

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all right, So let's get back into the saga of

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the death of Karen Reid's boyfriend, John O'Keefe. And again,

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this is a part three that we're on right now.

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So if you have not listened to part one in

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part two, go back and listen so that you can

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keep up with what's coming your way. But a brief

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recap of what we know so far from what I've

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told you, John is dead. There's a huge discrepancy on

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how he may have gotten to the spot of his death.

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Was he dropped off there and then something sinister happened

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to him or was he hit by Karen and then

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she left the scene? Either way, whatever you believe to

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this point, Karen was arrested and charged with the death

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of John O'Keefe on the overall belief that she had

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run over John in the yard of the in law

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Albert's home with her vehicle. Now by a runover, I

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don't mean forward run over. I mean they believe she

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backed into him and then left the scene. So the

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overall summary of why would be this, Why did they

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arrest her? They number one talked to witnesses who overall

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placed her vehicle in the very location where John's body

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was found. Number two, witnesses claimed that Karen said quote,

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I hit him. I hit him when the body was found.

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And number three, her SUV tail light was broken in

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the rear as if she had backed into him in

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that location and then left the scene. But because she

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was now arrested, her defense team would have to start

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doing all of their investigation on this case that was

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being built against her in order to build the defense.

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And so the way I'm going to structure this episode

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is I'm going to cover their findings as in the

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defense team's findings, mixed with opposing views as they are

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uncovering things. And that's why it's going to seem kind

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of back and forth. This episode's really going to focus

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on experts and facts versus deciphering whose statements seem truthful

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versus whose statements seem like they might be lies. That's

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going to be kind of your role as the listener

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as you're listening to this, you have to kind of

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decide how you feel up to this point. But in essence,

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Karen was arrested because the police believed that she hit

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John with her car while she was leaving, and right now,

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what I want to do is detail how that could

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have happened for just a moment. So the defense was

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trying to figure out how they came to the conclusion

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that she hit him because Karen Karen was adamant, beyond adamant,

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that she never hit John and that he got out

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of her car and he went into the in law

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Albert home. He never came back out she left. That

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is her statement. That's been the statement from the jump.

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So there's going to be a lot of looking into

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the details of everyone who is involved at the different

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locations that night to make this kind of jive. I

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already covered the waterfall bar and what all went on

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there in the last two episodes, But the main question

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now would be if John arrived and went into the home,

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did that actually happen? So girlfriend Karen said he went

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inside the in law Alberts, the homeowners said he did

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not go inside, and the mccabs who were related to

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the in law Alberts who were there said John never

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came inside. So it's Karen's word basically versus everybody that

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was in the house that night. But there's someone else

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to introduce here that's gonna become super relevant. And again

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I'm trying not to bombard you with people, because that's

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why this becomes such a clusterfuck when you're trying to

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follow what's happening, and I'm kind of layering people in

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through these episodes. But back at the Waterfall Bar when

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everyone was partying, another man was with them that I

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haven't spoke of much yet, and his name was Brian Higgins.

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Now the in law Alberts, that's Brian Albert, Brian Albert's

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good friend, Brian Higgins. Hello, we have two Brian's now

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to make things even worse. So what I'm gonna do

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now is I'm gonna refer to Brian Higgins as ATF. Higgins.

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So we have the in law Alberts, that's Brian Albert,

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and then we have ATF. Higgins Brian Higgins. You got me? Okay?

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So last episode I left off with some questions yet

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to be answered, including was another man possibly involved with Karen?

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So let me address why I asked that ATF. Higgins

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was a friend and somewhat of a coworker of in

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law Brian Albert. See ATF. Higgins had an office at

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the PD where in law Albert worked. Although he was

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ATF he was close also to the chief of the

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Canton PD, and he worked alongside that PD office very often.

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So that's not odd. I do want to give you

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some insight here. Agencies do have close relationships like this.

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I've seen it with my own eyes, and they will

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have a very close working relationship because even though they're

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separate law enforcement entities, they still oftentimes overlap. It could

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be because one agency has equipment another agency needs. It

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could be because they get called in to do a

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further investigation. There's a million reasons why. So I did

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not find that entirely out of pocket. So ATF. Higgins

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and his friend in law, Brian Albert had gone together.

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Now this is going to be the day, the daytime

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of the day that John died. Okay, those two men

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had gone to a funeral of a fallen officer in

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New York. Now this was earlier in the day before

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they met up together with everybody at the Waterfall Bar.

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Now would it interest you to know that twelve days

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prior to John's death, Karen Reid had gotten ATF. Higgins's

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number from another friend, and she, out of the blue,

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really had started telling him how she and John's relationship

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was falling apart and how it had seriously deteriorated since

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John's sister had died of that geoblastoma that she had.

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Now Higgins ATF Higgins was pretty surprised, and you could

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tell in the text messages and I'm not going to

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read him because they're que frankly, quite boring and childish,

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but you could tell he was a bit surprised and

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taken aback at how forward Karen was with him pretty

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quickly on because car and told ATF Higgins that she

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thought he was hot. Now he questioned her on this

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as well. He says in the text messages, don't you

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have a boyfriend? Because ATF Higgins was not good friends

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with John O'Keefe. They knew each other this night and

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previously I guess just through like general passing buys, but

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they didn't like hang out together. They weren't friendly, They

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certainly didn't text. They weren't friends like that. So he

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asks her do you have a boyfriend? And he even

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says are y'all still together? And she elaborated that John

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had hooked up with another woman recently while they were

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on vacation together in Aruba, and this I would find

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out was actually true. But let's kind of investigate what

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the word hooked up meant, because hooked up to me

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means like sex. Okay, I don't know what it means

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to you. But just twenty nine days before John was killed,

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he and Karen, along with his brother Paul and Paul's

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family and some other people too, were celebrating and vacationing

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together and at one point Karen came downstairs. I believe

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they were in a Ruba if I remember that correctly,

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but he and Karen were there with everybody, and Karen

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came downstairs at one point after putting the kids to bed,

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I guess, and she caught John kissing another woman in

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the lobby of the hotel now rut Row. That's obviously

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a red flag. But Karen was pretty close with John

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O'Keeffe's sister in law, who was also there on the trip,

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and Karen ended up telling her about it. She was

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very upset about the whole incident, and you know, that

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was something that they had discussed. And I know that

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that happened because I went and listened to some information

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from that sister in law that validated that this had

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had happen. They also they being John and Karen, had

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fought at a home that they had rented in the past.

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It was in Cape Cod, but it was only after

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alcohol got involved and they were both drinking that the

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emotions really got stirred up and it was not a

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physical fight. But John's brother Paul was there as well

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as his wife, and John's brother Paul really had to

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play like verbal referee at the time to get them

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both to calm the hell down and to chill out.

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So there definitely had been frictioned between the two at

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some points. But either way, the sexy texts and the

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flirting went on for twelve days up until the day

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John died. And it wasn't just sexy talking too, okay,

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because further looking into this would prove that atf Higgins

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and Karen had been together at some point at a house.

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I think it was just at a party that somebody

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was having or a get together and they were just

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all kind of hanging out, But they had been sexy

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texting and at one point they both went outside at

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this home where Karen took it upon herself to lay

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a kiss on Higgins, and it took him ATF. Higgins,

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but it took him by surprise, and he genuinely did

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seem confused by what she was doing because Karen had

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never shown interest in him before in their passing bys,

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and they're kind of intermingling with the with some of

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these people, but now all of a sudden, she was

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going hard and I mean like real hard towards him.

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The last text between Karen and ATF. Higgins was at

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the Waterfall Bar while she was there with John, and

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all it said was something to the effect of uh okay,

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like kind of like okay, now what or what are

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you doing? But she never answered him. So John, Karen,

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and ATF. Higgins were part of that whole crew that

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were at the Waterfall Bar. So this kind of becomes important.

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Now this girl, this guy you've kissed and that you're

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flirting with real hard, sees you with John walk in

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the bar and at some point texts, uh okay, you know,

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like now what is this because you know she had

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been telling him that their relationship was falling apart. And

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now that we know that, let's go back to what

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we also know from what everybody said that night that

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was interviewed. Everyone left the Waterfall Bar in a good mood.

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They were happy, and they kind of just looked normal

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whenever they walked out of the bar. Based on all

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of the evidence to this point and a little bit

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more perspective about the morning John was found, and this

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is again based on interviews from people that were involved

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in the whole situation. In law Nicole Albert, she's married

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to in law Brian Albert. They're the homeowners where John

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was found. She said that they went to bed, her

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and her and her husband Brian went to bed around

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two am and they didn't go outside the morning that

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everything took place because they were asleep. She told police

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that they weren't even awake until her sister Jennifer McCabe

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burst into their bedroom physically, and this would have been

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after finding John. Now, her sister jenn McCabe agreed that

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that was true, that she did not talk to her

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sister in law Albert until she bust up in the house. However,

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those pesky cell phones come into play here because they

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looked at the data of this and the cell phone

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record review showed that Jennifer McCabe did call her sister

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in Lanicole, Albert. She called her at six oh eight

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am and she called her at six forty two am.

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But both of the sisters say they never spoke. Well

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on that first call, I can agree, I don't think

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they necessarily spoke. The length of that call was only

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two seconds, but the second call was seventeen seconds. Why

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does this matter, Well, seventeen seconds would be long enough

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for Jim McCabe to tell her sister this statement if

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she had and I'm just adding this in. I'm not

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saying it happened, but seventeen seconds is long enough to

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say the police are here, or we're about to come in,

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or okay, get ready. Because remember, Karen is saying something

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happened at the house because she left. So why in

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the world did you know if something happened to John

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at the hands of someone in the in law Albert home,

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that would prove that there must be some type of

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cover up here going on. So, in essence, what's happening

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here is the defense team felt like Karen was being

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set up and that now she was being railroaded by

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people who had the ability to control the narrative of

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the evening. Because they're all related in some fashion, and

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they all have that law enforcement connection. Case in point,

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no one in the home of the in law Albert

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home had a story that seemed to line up as

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to who was there and when they were there and

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where they were when they were there. You follow that one, Okay,

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So interrogation of people that were in the home that

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night would differ in terms of who was there. It

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differed depending on who you were asking. Nicole Albert in

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law wife Albert, she says it was just her Brian Albert,

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and a Sergeant Lank that was in the home when

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they came downstairs after being awakened by her sister. Okay,

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so we got immediately woken up. My sister busts in

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the room. It woke us up. We go downstairs. It's

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just us, my sister, and this sergeant Lank that was

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in the house. But when her sister was asked, when

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Jen McCabe was asked, Jen McCabe says she was her

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husband was there and Sergeant Lank was there too, meaning

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there was either four in laws together plus an officer

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or there wasn't. And then where did the husband come from?

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Why would one sister say there was another man there,

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and another sister say there wasn't. Either way, neither sister,

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neither one of them mentioned that ATF Brian Higgins was

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there that morning. But even Brian ATF Brian Higgins agreed

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when he talked to police officers later, that he was there.

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So you're telling me, all right, maybe Jim McCabe forgot

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that her husband didn't show up, or maybe her sister

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forgot that he did show up. Okay, whatever, but neither

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one of them remembered that ATF. Higgins was in the home.

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That's weird. He had come back to the house that morning,

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and I'll address more of that later. And then when

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that was realized, they would later claim, oh, well that

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was after Sergeant Lank had already interviewed them and left.

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So okay, well, we'll go working off of that. Maybe

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he wasn't there, even though he says he was there.

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Why would he say he was there if he wasn't.

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It doesn't make sense. So far, I've told you that

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the state police Sergeant Lank was not with state police.

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Remember he was with Canton p D. So far, i've

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told you that state police interrogated everyone at the in

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law Albert home home as part of the investigation. But

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I left off last episode where it was realized that

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a Canton officer i e. A coworker of in law

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Albert the homeowner. Okay, he worked, he's a coworker of him.

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He had interviewed the in law Alberts as well as

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the mccabs inside their home before any form geral interviews

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were done, and that meeting was not documented nor recorded. Well,

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that officer is the very one that I'm talking about

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right now, that Sergeant Lank, that there's now confusion of

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when did he arrive? When didn't he arrive? Okay, So

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the defense team believes that this is part of the

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proof that there was a setup in some way, because

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it was a big time problematic situation as to who

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this officer was. So let me go more into this

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officer for a second. His name was Sergeant Lank, and

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he was very close friends with the in law Alberts

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as well as Jim McCabe and her husband. He was

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good friends with them. So how did he even come

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into play at this whole situation. The morning of the

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twenty ninth, that's when John's body was found, Sergeant Lank

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was notified by another officer that morning. His name is

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Officer Good. He was working in dispatch. He was notified

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by the Officer Good about a man being found in

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the snow and that that man was a Boston Police officer.

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So Lank, after he was notified by Sergeant Good, went

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to the in law Albert home for whatever was going down.

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Sergeant Good, who was working in dispatch that morning, he

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left and he got someone to cover his spot in

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dispatch so that he could go to the scene as well.

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So Sergeant Lank arrived and spoke to Officer Good first

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when they got there, and then spoke to Jen McCabe

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eight or nine minutes outside by the body where the

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body was. He says that he told Jen McCabe to

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go wake up her sister so that they could go

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talk to them. Remember, Jen McCabe found John outside. She

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found the body with Karen Reid and the other friend, Carrie.

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But she's also the sister of the in law Alberts,

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the very home they are in front of. Okay, So

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I want to make sure you're understanding this link here.

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So she walks up to the house to go get

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her sister. So, if you remember last episode, the police

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were saying they didn't have any probable cause to go

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up to the house to interview people in the house

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because the body in the snow had no link to

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the house. But now when they're investigating and people are

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starting to ask questions on this defense team, now all

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of a sudden, there is probable cause because himself, he said,

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I told her, go wake up your sister. And just

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real quick, why would an investigator at a crime scene

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tell a witness to go wake up somebody in the house.

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That seems like a very strange leap for me, because

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I would want to go wake up the people in

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the house if they were asleep in the house. I

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would do that as the investigator, not send a witness

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to go do that. That's weird. So Sergeant Lank then

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at some point spoke to dispatch at the back of

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the Canton PD and he even said it was a quote.

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He said, it looks like this guy's been in a

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fight or something and he has serious trauma. It's a

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crazy scene. So I'm not telling you everything that happened,

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because I'm just trying to give you some major sticking

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points that'll matter later on. But a lot more happened,

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But Sergeant Lank also made a phone call on video

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the dash cam of the of the police units pick

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it up, and that call was a total of five

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minutes long. Roughly, while all of that's happening, Carrie Roberts

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and Karen Reid drive off in Carrie's SUV. Why because

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by that point John's body had been taken and they

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were going to go to go follow up with John. Plus,

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if you remember from last episode, Carrie was gonna go

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get John's John's mom. A few minutes yes later, after

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they're gone, Jim McCabe is still inside her sister's house.

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She's still in the house, and you can see on

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bodycam or of the dash cam that a light then

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comes on on the front porch. Whenever that happened. Sergeant

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Lank then went inside the house with his good friends

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by himself and did not document anything that happened or

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anything that was said before he came back out. His

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whole reasoning was that he didn't have probable cause in

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his mind to enter the home. But I want to

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tell you something. When he spoke to Jennifer McCabe, the

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one who found the body outside of the home, for

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eight or nine minutes before he ever went into the house,

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he already knew. She told him then that they had

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all been partying together. She told him, So it begs

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the question which one is it? Did you have probable

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cause or or didn't you? And if you didn't have

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probable cause, why did you go up there? And if

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you did have probable cause, why would you send a

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witness into the house unsupervised to talk to her sister

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before you went in? The heme you could chalk this

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up to piss poor policing. I don't know what you

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think of it, but damn, y'all. Witnesses lie like people lie.

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And if you're being objective and you're trying to figure

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out what the hell's going on, you wouldn't go in

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that home and just take a look around just he's

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in the front yard. You wouldn't go talk to those

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people and then record what you I mean, like nothing.

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I mean, we could chalk this up to piss poor

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policing tactics, or maybe we could say this was biased

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because he knew them and so he just accepted what

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they were telling him and so he didn't think that

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they were part of anything. But again, that's not being objective.

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That's not reading an entire crime scene and taking into

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it every aspect. If you ask me, he never locked

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down the home, He never secured their dog, he never

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took any photographs, He never did anything, nor did he

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record their conversation. Okay, So that just if anything kind

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of makes you go hmm, you know that that's not

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proper procedure. So just how close was Lank, Sergeant Lank

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to these people in the home, the mccabs and the

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in law Albert's. Well, I want to tell you a

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little bit about that, so you can assess what I

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mean by they knew each other strangely. Initially during this

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whole investigation, they would claim that they did not know

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each other. Okay, they said, we don't know Lank, Sergeant

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Link like that. But a further probe after Karen was arrested,

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would prove that that was simply not true. Now, how

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how do we know that? All right? Remember there's a

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lot of Albert brothers in this story. Sergeant Lank knew

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all of the Albert brothers, and he'd known them all

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since childhood. So Tim Albert, he is the detective Albert.

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He had known that one since he was sixteen years

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old Chris Pizza shop Albert. He had known him since

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junior high, since he was about fourteen, and he knew

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Brian Albert in law Brian Albert very well. He'd known

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him since they were teenagers. They are now grown ass adults.

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So to say you don't know somebody is and you've

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known him since they were teenagers seems a bit of

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a stretch, and you're like, okay, Kelly, well maybe they

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just knew of each other. Okay, Well, they didn't say that. Secondly, Lank,

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Sergeant Lank also coached locally and he knew in law

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Brian Albert from that. His kids played with Lank's kids.

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Jim McCabe remember in law Albert Nicole that Jen McCabe

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is her sister. They knew each other since childhood. Sergeant

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Lank knew everybody in that home that he did not secure,

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and that he went in by himself and talked to

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them for about forty five minutes. He'd known them all

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since they were basically, well, i'll give him a break,

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since high school. Okay, they knew each other. And then

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that begged a question when they say they don't know

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each other, Well, let's back up a little bit further.

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So there was an incident that I want to tell

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you about so you can really see the friendship here

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and why I'm pointing out that they did know each

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other all right. A few years prior to John's death,

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Sergeant Lank was off duty. I want you to know

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that he was off duty. He was at a bar,

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a bar, restaurant, whatever, and they were eating and drinking,

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not together, but they were both happened to be there.

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This is kind of like small town situation. And then

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Sergeantlank went out to his truck. While he was in

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his truck, Chris Albert this is the pizza shop owner, Albert.

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Chris Albert approached him and said, there's some men inside

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that are threatening me. They have a little conversation about that.

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And then while they're having the conversation, lo and behold

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the men that were threatening pizza Pizza, Chris Albert come

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walking by. So when that happened, Sergeant Lank decided that

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he was going to confront those guys. Remember he's off duty.

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He's going to go confront those guys and he's going

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to basically tell him leave him alone. Whatever. But it

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got kind of hot, so he called for backup and

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the man that he had gotten hot with. His name

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was Alfredo. That man was arrested. So the lowdown of

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basically what happened is that Sergeant Lank and Alfredo had

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crosswords or whatever. But Sergeant Lank also punched another man

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that was with them. This guy's name was Mark. He

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punched that guy. After this incident went down, Sergeant Lank

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ended up getting sued over punching this guy and it

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was settled out of court. So the claim though, and

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I know I'm going really deep, but y'all, this is

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why this case is so big. The claim that was

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made was that Sergeant Lank punched him, beat him and

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bit him while the fight, while they got into a

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fight of his fight, and then after backup had showed

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up and arrested those men, that's when Sergeant Lank allegedly

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walked over to the Alfredo guy and spit in his

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face while he was cuffed. That's all allegedly. I wasn't there.

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Sergeant Lank countered that argument though, and he says, no,

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Mark punched me and then I retaliated, And then he

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said after that went down, Mark fled the scene and

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Alfredo was arrested. Now, keep in mind, the very next day,

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both of those brothers arrived at the Canton Police Department

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to file a complaint. No police report was written about

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this by Sergeant Lank until September the third. That's another

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couple of days. And by the way, no police report

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was written until after the complaint came in. Okay, so

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it kind of was weird. Why didn't you write a

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report about this? And then only after they complained did

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you go write a police report about it. Well, then

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a few days later, whenever Sergeant Lank was at a

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gas station, those same brothers were at the same gas

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00:29:55.519 --> 00:30:00.359
station and supposedly they exchanged words about how I guess

475
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.440
it was bullshit what happened, And so Sergeant Lank then

476
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.960
arrested them again and charged them with witness intimidation. All

477
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:14.039
went to court, the brothers were found not guilty not

478
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.559
guilty in the assault case, and the witness intimidation was

479
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.119
thrown out by the district attorney. So the reason I'm

480
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.920
telling you all of this is that when Sergeant Link

481
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.839
was questioned about that, because remember it involves an albert brother,

482
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.680
he says, no, man, I would have done that for

483
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.119
anyone Okay, well I'm gonna I'm gonna stand right here.

484
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.480
Y'all know I love law enforcement. You know I'm a

485
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.279
supporter of law enforcement. But I'm calling bullshit right now.

486
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.799
This dude, Sergeant Link, was off duty drinking at a

487
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.799
bar and then in his vehicle to drive. Okay, that

488
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.000
in and of itself could could have been an issue,

489
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.079
and he shouldn't be drinking and driving, But I don't

490
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.200
know how much he had to drink. I'm not going

491
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.279
down that rabbit hole. But I'm not buying for a

492
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.599
second that he would have extended his neck out that

493
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.839
far for anybody. No, you stick your neck out like

494
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.480
that for a friend. Then here's another instance. Years prior

495
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.720
to that, he did an investigation on a hit and

496
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.599
run that happened. A woman was hit at a red light.

497
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.559
Then the person who hit her drove away. Well, whenever

498
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.799
Link showed up, there was transmission fluid. That's how bad

499
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.519
the wreck was. There was transmission fluid leaking from the

500
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.480
suspect vehicle. So Link did what I guess any common

501
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.359
sense would tell you. He followed the transmission fluid, and

502
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:31.240
that leak from the transmission led him straight to none

503
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:36.480
other than thirty four Fairview. That's the address where John's

504
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.279
body was found. Now, I'm not saying those two are

505
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.160
linked those two instances. What I'm telling you is that

506
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.000
at that time, guess who lived at that home none

507
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:50.880
other than the other Albert brother, Tim Albert. Tim Albert

508
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:54.279
lived at thirty four Fairview. Lank busted him at the

509
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.599
house and was like, bro, what's going on here? Now?

510
00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:59.559
Let me tell you this too. He never did a

511
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.200
DUI I check on Tim Albert. He never had his

512
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.880
blood drawn. He just quote unquote talked to him and

513
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.680
then explained, oh, I just panicked after the wreck and

514
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:15.200
I left. So he charged him with a misdemeanor, which

515
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.039
I'm telling you right now was on purpose because when

516
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.279
he got the misdemeanor, he went to court, he got

517
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.759
a diversion opportunity, and so his record was wiped clean.

518
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.960
Lank knew these Alberts. For anybody to say that they

519
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.599
did not know one another is a flat out line.

520
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.480
I've given you two examples right there of where they

521
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.440
knew one another. So it begs the question why would

522
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:45.039
they lie. Good friends and also related family members all

523
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.640
have different opinions of who was in the house when

524
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.319
the officer interviewed them and then said officer was a

525
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.680
close friend of theirs who didn't document or record anything

526
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.519
that was said. And then Nicole Albert's the one that

527
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:03.759
said it lasted forty five minutes. That's that's bad. That's

528
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:09.279
a conflict of interest, if anything, and something interesting about

529
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.079
this was uncovered. In addition to that, Jim McCabe who

530
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.640
found the body of John with the other two women

531
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.599
after Sergeant Lank left the interview. After he left, she

532
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.519
called him on his personal cell phone, even though she

533
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.319
claimed she did not know him, she called him on

534
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.759
his personal cell phone, and now said she wanted to

535
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.720
add something that she quote forgot to tell him during

536
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:37.519
the interview. Well, this would seem also what she forgot

537
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.640
to tell him during the interview would seem super important

538
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.160
because guess what she forgot to tell him in the

539
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.359
forty five minute interview, directly about the situation that just

540
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.000
happened with John O'Keefe. She forgot to tell him that

541
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.759
Karen said at the scene, I hit him, I hit

542
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.680
him when they were looking for John. She forgot to

543
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.759
tell him that part. So Karen at that time was

544
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.279
maintaining that she must have said that she thought. Karen said,

545
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.199
oh my god, did I hit him? And she said

546
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.840
this was after they found the body. Okay, so which

547
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.440
one is it? Because they're very different. Karen was adamant

548
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.840
she never said I hit him, and this obviously was

549
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.239
a similar sentence, but it has a very different meaning.

550
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.440
One is a question. One is a proclamation, possibly made

551
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.000
under stress. So this was something that also definitely needed

552
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.119
to be looked at deeper. So I'm going to fast

553
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.159
forward a bit here and tell you that none none,

554
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.039
nuh of the police reports, nor were any of the

555
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.159
reports of anyone who responded to that scene that morning.

556
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.360
This means fire, this means medical. None of the reports

557
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.239
mentioned Karen ever saying I hit him, not one, which

558
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.519
would have been a very extremely important thing to note

559
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:01.480
by anyone with any experience specifically considered the situation. That's

560
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.800
like the whole premise of what's being argued here. But

561
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.440
not one report said it. Not a police officer, not

562
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.679
a fireman, not a medic, and they were all hearing

563
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.559
her scream while they were there, not one of them

564
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:18.320
put that in their report. Also, now it's kind of

565
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:22.000
important to probably tell you this, Sergeant Lank was not

566
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.320
the lead investigator on the case that was actually assigned

567
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:33.599
to a state trooper. That trooper's name is Trooper Proctor.

568
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:39.000
Why was Trooper Proctor from the state police given lead

569
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:45.760
investigator status on a Canton PD case. Well, that's what

570
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.239
because one of the Canton officers that were on the

571
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:54.320
scene the morning that had happened realized, Uh oh, the

572
00:35:54.480 --> 00:36:00.840
brother of the very man whose house this involves is

573
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.280
a detective at Canton p D. Yes in law Brian Albert,

574
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.800
the homeowner where John's body was found. His brother is

575
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.119
the lead detective at Canton PD. Obviously there was a

576
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.679
conflict of interest here. O. Brother can't investigate his own brother.

577
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.480
So let's talk about Trooper Proctor for a minute, because

578
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.320
that's a good move. Let's make state police take lead

579
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.400
on this so that there is no Let's be transparent, right,

580
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.440
let's put another agency involved in this. Well, let's talk

581
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.840
about Trooper Proctor for a minute. Back at the in

582
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.280
law Albert's home the day John was found, Okay, eventually

583
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.079
everyone was gone from the scene. Medical was gone, the

584
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.960
fire trucks were gone. Even Carrie and Karen were gone.

585
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:43.360
Remember I told you they got in their car and

586
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.960
they drove off to go to the hospital. The only

587
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.960
people that remained at the in law Albert home were

588
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.039
the in law Alberts and the mccabes, who again are

589
00:36:54.079 --> 00:37:01.559
related to them, and cops. And it was sent just

590
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.039
any cops. It was friend cops. It was Sergeant Lank,

591
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.639
who I just told you about. And there was another

592
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.079
officer there named Lieutenant Gallagher. Now Gallagher, I want you

593
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.960
to know, he's a lieutenant. He's a ranking officer on

594
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.800
the scene. He's the one that brought up. Look, this

595
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.559
is going to be a conflict of interest. I really

596
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.599
think we need to bring somebody else in to look

597
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.159
at this because of his brother being a detective. Sergeant Lank,

598
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.039
after he was told by his supervisor, we need to

599
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.840
get state police involved, called state police, and by this

600
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.320
point they realized John was likely not going to survive.

601
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.599
So when he called state police to say we want

602
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.639
y'all to come take over, Trooper Proctor is the one

603
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:41.840
who called him back because he had missed the call.

604
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.639
But when he called back, Trooper Proctor told Sergeant Lank,

605
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.760
we're not going to be responding. Although they would have

606
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.000
taken jurisdiction on an unexpected death or homicide anyway in Canton.

607
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.159
He flat out said, we're not responding, and I need

608
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.800
you to know. There was no explanation given as to why.

609
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.639
To this day, I don't know why they said they

610
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:11.639
would not be responding. Then after that happened, another officer

611
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.119
went into the in law Albert home to talk to

612
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:20.639
everybody and ask questions. Jen McCabe said that John was

613
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.440
supposed to come in the house, but he never came in.

614
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.440
She said that in front of all of the in

615
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:32.000
law Alberts, they knew what Jen mccab was saying. They

616
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.400
got to overhear it. You're never supposed to question witnesses

617
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.360
in front of other witnesses because they lie and you

618
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.639
don't want them to have collusion. That's why you separate them.

619
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.519
And now we have siblings and they're listening to each other.

620
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.280
She also said that they had all been partying the

621
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.440
night before, YadA YadA, YadA to the officer, and about

622
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:54.960
that time Jen's husband, Matt entered into the home and

623
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:56.599
met up with everybody in the home. So I just

624
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.559
want to recap real quick. She's saying that it's Jen

625
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.400
McCay and her husband. Jen McCabe is the sister of

626
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.599
in law, Brian Albert's wife. Okay, so they're just sisters

627
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.000
together with their spouses. Jen McCabe also said that atf

628
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.280
Higgins didn't show up until nine am at the scene.

629
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.440
She says that that was after all the questioning happened.

630
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.360
So let me just tell you there's been a whole

631
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.480
lot of questioning going on here. But guess who has

632
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.280
not been questioned. Karen Reid, like the very woman that

633
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.039
they've arrested for the death of John O'Keeffe. She had

634
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.400
not even been spoken to at that point. So it

635
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.400
makes you kind of wonder why, like, why wouldn't she

636
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.000
spoken to. Well, the police spoke to Matt McCabe after

637
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.679
Lank had already walked out of the house, but they

638
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.039
never spoke to Karen. It's just the whole thing does

639
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.719
not jibe. The timelines are not driving Lank. Sergeant Lank

640
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.519
said that when he went into the house, Brian Albert

641
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.519
in law Brian Albert looked like he had just woken up.

642
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.199
Whenever he's like, oh, I went in the house and

643
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.360
Brian Albert didn't you know, he looked like he had

644
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.519
not been awake at all, like he had just woken up.

645
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.400
And been startled when Jim McCabe went into the house

646
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.599
and came down. But let's talk about that real quick.

647
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.440
Guess where the in law Albert's bedroom was on the house.

648
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:22.039
Their bedroom was the closest bedroom two where the incident happened.

649
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.280
It's upstairs to the far left, which is the closest

650
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.800
bedroom to where the incident took place or is believed

651
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.199
to have taken place, with two windows that are facing

652
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.079
it as well. But both of them claim they never

653
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.599
heard anything that morning. They never heard the ambulances showing up.

654
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.679
They never heard the cop showing up. They never heard

655
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.800
this woman who was screaming at the top of her

656
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.440
lungs saying I hit him, I hit him. According to

657
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.599
Jim McCabe, they never heard anything. Also, they said that

658
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.320
their dog, Chloe, was sleeping in the bedroom with them.

659
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.079
Their dog never alerted to any of that either, Like,

660
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.079
do you find that weird? I do. I have a

661
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.599
little weeny dog, Toby Man. Toby barks when the wind blows.

662
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:11.440
He's definitely gonna alert whenever there's fire trucks and ambulances

663
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.239
and people screaming, Hell my bird, does you know shout

664
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.599
out to my little bird? Teddy. You know, ted screams

665
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.559
when he hears people talking outside. So but they're saying, nope,

666
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.960
we didn't hear anything, and neither did the dog. I

667
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.079
just really find that hard to believe, really hard to believe.

668
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.719
But that's what they said. But something that happened simultaneously

669
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.800
after John's body was found and when everyone had left

670
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:39.920
the scene, was that the police then realized, Okay, John's

671
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.880
gone to the hospital. That would mean that John's kids

672
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.719
should be home alone, correct, because nobody's there with them.

673
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.880
Karen's gone to the hospital. John's at the hospital, the grandparents,

674
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:51.880
everyone there, Oh my gosh, we need to go check

675
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.719
on the children. Everyone basically said that the daughter must

676
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.679
have been home whenever Karen was calling around looking for John.

677
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.760
And let me explain why I'm bringing all of this up. Okay,

678
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:06.280
so I'm gonna have to go in a different direction

679
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.039
for you real quick. And it matters to know this.

680
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.719
There was an officer you don't have to remember this name,

681
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:16.000
but his name was Lieutenant ray Well. Whenever they believed

682
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.960
that the kids were home alone, presumably because John and

683
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.000
Karen were gone, an officer was sent to go go

684
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.239
get the kids. That was going to be this Ray officer. Well,

685
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.400
he had dash cam rolling whenever he pulled up to

686
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.719
John's house. John also had a ring camera on his house,

687
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.760
so there's multiple views that's filming all of this going down.

688
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.079
It shows that Officer Ray showing up just about eight

689
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.360
o'clock in the morning. Karen's suv is in the driveway. Okay,

690
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.159
because remember just a recap, Karen drove did Jen McCabe's house.

691
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.960
Then Jen mcab and Karen drove back to John's house.

692
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.559
Carrie went and met them there. Carrie drove to to

693
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.440
where John was found. So that's why Karen reads vehicles

694
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.559
back at John's. It makes total sense. But there's video

695
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.480
of this from the dash cam and you can see

696
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.880
Karen's SUV clearly parked in the driveway. And so I'm

697
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.159
looking at the vehicle parked in the driveway. Now there

698
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.960
is snow collected where the light is, but I will

699
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.639
tell you the light does in fact look broken. It's

700
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.400
the passenger side rear tail light. And this is at

701
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.960
eight eight twenty ish in the morning, just a few

702
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.280
hours after John was found dead. Okay, the kids they

703
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.039
would find out were not there though, because what the

704
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.639
police didn't know is that John's niece, her bestie friend,

705
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.360
remember the ones that were getting in school together, and

706
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.880
they were all excited. He had left the dad of

707
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.400
the bestie went and picked her up from the house already. Okay,

708
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.679
so now you're wondering, well, how did he know to

709
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.199
go get her? How did he even know that there

710
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:01.400
was an issue which brings up the besties dad's wife,

711
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.480
which is bestie's mom. Okay, they interviewed her as well

712
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.639
later on, but they interviewed her. Now quick reminder, Bestie's dad.

713
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:12.000
I'll give you his name, but you don't have to

714
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.480
stick with it. Is mister Camerano. Bestie's dad and John

715
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:20.599
were drinking the night that John is believed to have

716
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.960
an accident or something have happened to him. He was

717
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.079
the one that was with him at c. F. McCarthy's

718
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.000
before the waterfall. This is the first bar. Remember they

719
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.480
went there and they were celebrating their kids getting to

720
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.360
that private school together. Well, Karen had made a phone

721
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.840
call to mister Camerano's wife. Her name was Catherine, if

722
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.400
you care, she was at work though early the morning

723
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.880
of John's death. She was a nurse. Karen called her

724
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:48.360
between four and five am, screaming, where is John? I

725
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.440
can't find John. It makes sense because the reason that

726
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.320
they would be she would be asking her where's John

727
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.519
is because the husband had been drinking that night with John,

728
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.079
so I thought maybe they were together. And when that happened,

729
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:08.599
this woman said she heard the niece in the background screaming. Also,

730
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.000
like her and Karen were kind of talking back and forth.

731
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:15.119
So whenever they hung up, this woman, this nurse mom,

732
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.119
she texted John two. So she got off the phone,

733
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.800
she texted John and there was no answer. She sent

734
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.360
that text around five to ten am. And that makes

735
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:25.760
sense to me. I want to tell you why she

736
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:27.800
was kind of asking John where he was when I

737
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.239
myself was told personally. And we can only view things

738
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.199
through our own personal lens, right, and we all have

739
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.400
our own beliefs and personal interactions that manipulate who we

740
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.599
are and who we become. But when I was told

741
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.760
the morning that my two friends were dead, I didn't

742
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.199
want to believe it. I was hoping that they were wrong.

743
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.719
The very first thing I did was hang up and

744
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.039
I called both of my friends and I left them

745
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.320
both a voicemail. I also texted them. Obviously, they never

746
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.000
texted me back because it does turn out that my

747
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.719
two friends were dead. But that makes sense to me

748
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.639
that after she got off the phone, she tried to

749
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.960
text John to say, hey, man, you know, where are you? Well,

750
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.159
she called Karen back, and by the time she called

751
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.360
Karen back to say what you know, update me what's

752
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.400
going on, she then could hear Jen McCabe in the background,

753
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.519
and Jen was saying something about we're going to look

754
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.119
for John, so they had already gotten together at that point.

755
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:24.079
This woman also spoke to Carrie Roberts later on and

756
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.239
that's where she found out that John was in fact

757
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.880
found and was being taken to the hospital. And then

758
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.360
she in turn turned around and spoke to her husband,

759
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.039
who then you know, turned around and said, oh my god,

760
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:36.639
let me go get the niece. So I want you

761
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.880
to know how that happened and how that played out well,

762
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.119
the mom the nurse. She also texted Karen back later

763
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.760
and said to the effect, don't worry about him. He's

764
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.239
probably on someone's couch. Keep me posted. Do you think

765
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.480
he's maybe at his brother's. Did he maybe go to

766
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.000
his mom's. Well, then that kind of made it make

767
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.280
sense to me. If you remember last episode, I mentioned

768
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.360
that I thought it was weird they would all be

769
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.840
calling John's mom so early in the morning. That just

770
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.199
kind of seems strange. But this makes sense because it

771
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.440
was six thirty four in the morning that Bestie's mom

772
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.199
was trying to say was he possibly at his brother's?

773
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.320
Was he at his mom's? So that kind of made

774
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.119
sense at that point. But the next text or communication

775
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.159
she would get from Karen later on is he's dead.

776
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.119
He was in the snow. Catherine was taken off guard

777
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.760
by that and she says, are you serious? But there

778
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:29.960
was no more communication from Karen back to her. But

779
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.800
we now know that's because Karen's phone had been seized

780
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.119
by that point. So why did I bother to tell

781
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.679
you all of this? I'm glad you asked, because that

782
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.920
broken tail light was obviously going to be the lynch

783
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.840
pin that the state used in their argument to prove

784
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.719
Karen hit John the night before, obviously because her tail

785
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:53.159
light's broken. However, Karen's defense team would go back and

786
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.639
look at this video too, as well as an additional video.

787
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.880
This video would be that camera from John's home. Remember

788
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.599
he had one mounted above his garage, and so they're

789
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.480
watching that video, and that's whenever they uncover the moment

790
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:11.280
that Karen initially backed out of the driveway to go

791
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:14.119
meet with the other women to go find John, and

792
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:19.400
that camera would capture this and would show that she

793
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:24.760
backed out extremely close to John's parked vehicle in the driveway,

794
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.760
and her defense wondered if maybe she actually had hit

795
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.559
his car when she was backing out. Well, I watched

796
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.639
the video, okay, personally, my own two eyeballs, and I

797
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:41.599
absolutely agree that she bumped John's vehicle and she would

798
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.920
have bumped it. And it's proven that she would have

799
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.440
bumped it because when you zoom in and you focus

800
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.079
on John's back rear tire, you actually can see when

801
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.760
she bumps it. It's not hard, it's not like she

802
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.639
slammed into it. It's just a bump, a tap, But

803
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.039
you can see that John's car tired literally shift but

804
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.280
boom whenever she bumps into it. Now, was this enough

805
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.360
to shatter the light? You can't tell one hundred percent

806
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.639
from the video quality because it's it's in the middle

807
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.719
of a blizzard and all of that, but it certainly

808
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:16.760
was convincing that that could have been the cause of

809
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.800
why her tail light would have been broken. And this

810
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.800
is where it's important to note what took place later

811
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:26.000
that same day, after John was declared dead. And I

812
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:27.800
know I'm jumping all over the place, but this is

813
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.199
how an investigation works. Okay. After John was declared dead,

814
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.760
the family eventually left the hospital and they all went

815
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.719
back to John's house to break the news to their

816
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.519
kids that their uncle was dead and to absorb everything

817
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:45.559
that had happened. I'm gonna add this in real quick.

818
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.400
I didn't have it in my notes, but I want,

819
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:48.480
I want to tell you a little bit about this

820
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:53.719
real quick. The bestie's dad, remember he had the niece.

821
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.079
I just explained how that happened. He actually was told

822
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.000
that John was dead before he he returned back to

823
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.719
the house with the niece, and he had to kind

824
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.639
of quietly act like he didn't know anything was wrong.

825
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.639
And I have lived that exact experience because my high

826
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.719
school boyfriend and I was very close with his little sister.

827
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.360
I babysat her and a lot and everything. She's a

828
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.039
cute little thing named Jaqueline. Well, Jacqueline's mother and my

829
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:26.440
high school boyfriend's mother passed away unexpectedly and I'll never

830
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.599
forget it. I was eating at the Ponchos. I know

831
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.639
that's disgusting, but we were eating at Ponchos on Florida

832
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.239
Boulevard in Baton Rouge and I got a phone call

833
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.760
from her dad and I answered it and he was

834
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:40.960
very direct, and mister Jerry said, Kelly, I need you

835
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:42.599
to get in the car now, and I need you

836
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.400
to bring Jacqueline home. And I said, okay, are you okay?

837
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:48.400
And he said, I'm fine. Her mother passed away. Please

838
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:54.400
don't say anything. I have never in my life felt

839
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:56.920
a pain where I had to look at this little

840
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.880
eight nine year old girl and pretend like everything was okay,

841
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.199
knowing that her life was forever about to be changed.

842
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.480
And I had to smile and had to drive her

843
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.320
home and not change any of anything because it wasn't

844
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.760
my role to tell. And I just, I don't know.

845
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.679
My heart hurt when I want to learn that about

846
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.639
the best friend's dad having to act like everything was

847
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.360
okay and bring her home knowing he was about to

848
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.119
change her life. So he did, though, he dropped her

849
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.599
off and they broke the news to the kids. Eventually

850
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.519
after that, people began to drop by. They wanted to

851
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.920
give their condolences, and Karen was eventually released from the

852
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.360
hospital later that day. Remember she had been acting kind

853
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.119
of suicidal. Oh my god, if he's dead, I'm gonna

854
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.280
kill myself blah blah blah blah blah. Well, her dad

855
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.320
would eventually pick her up from the hospital and Karen

856
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.760
called the family John's family to say, can I come by?

857
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.639
I need to see the kids? Can I see the kids?

858
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.159
They said yes. Karen went to the house. Her dad

859
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.079
drove her to John's house. She saw the kids, she

860
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:55.000
gave hugs, whatever, She went upstairs for roughly fifteen minutes.

861
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:57.920
She got a little bit of her of a few

862
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.239
of her items that she would needed, personal items, and

863
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.519
then she left the home for the family to get

864
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.039
to grieve, and she went to go do her own grieving. Well,

865
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.679
when that was going on, John's brother, Paul, he was

866
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.199
trying to stay busy. He needed something to do. He

867
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.199
went outside to blow snow off of the driveway. He

868
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.400
kind of shoveled, but he also used the snowblower. Well,

869
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.920
John's ring camera that was manut above the garage that

870
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:24.159
I've mentioned that captured all of this. It captured the

871
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:27.039
bomp by Karen bumping into the car, but it also

872
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:29.800
captured whenever Paul was doing all of the snow blowing

873
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:34.079
of the driveway, which included the area where Karen bomped

874
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:39.920
John's car. So police did talk to him and asked

875
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.239
him about that, or not directly about that, but this

876
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.360
is later on it got brought up. And when Paul

877
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:49.800
blew the driveway off, he didn't find one piece of

878
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.360
tail light, not one, And whenever he was snow blowing,

879
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.400
he also never got any pieces of tail light or

880
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.840
plastic or anything like that in the snowblowing machine. So

881
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.519
it seems like if she would have busted her tail

882
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:07.880
light at that point, which the defense was kind of

883
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.920
bringing up that if it would have shattered. I don't

884
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:12.880
personally think the momp was hard enough to shatter it,

885
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.159
but if it would have shattered at that point, there

886
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.239
would have been pieces on the ground. Okay, So he

887
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.639
never found pieces, which lends itself to say, okay, with

888
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.280
there or any pieces it would have sucked up in

889
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.159
the snowblower machine. Look, this is where I'm at. Crack

890
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:31.000
it quite possibly shatter it. No fucking way, It was

891
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.920
not hit that hard. It was not hard to I've

892
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.280
bumped cars before, allegedly in my own driveway, and didn't

893
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.079
crack tail lights whenever that happened. So it makes you

894
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.719
wonder a little bit of what evidence of actually hitting

895
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:48.159
John did the police have. Okay, because they're saying that's

896
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.079
why they've arrested her. Well, okay, what do they have

897
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.079
then that she hit John? Well, when the police did

898
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.159
their initial investigation the morning of John's death at the

899
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.039
site where he lay, they found nothing in terms of evidence.

900
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.280
I've already told you this. There were no pieces of

901
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.239
vehicle from the crash that they say happened. There were

902
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.679
no light pieces, there was no nothing. So the defense

903
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.159
would obvious say, well, duh, there wouldn't be any because

904
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.280
she never hit him, and the proof is in the pudding.

905
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:18.880
They never found any light pieces. Clearly she didn't hit him. There, however,

906
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.920
some evidence had actually been found, but the evidence that

907
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:27.360
was found would then also come under great scrutiny. So

908
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.039
let's talk evidence and timeline for a minute. Also, while

909
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.599
I'm doing this, don't let it get lost on you

910
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.880
that this whole eventual trial that would eventually come to

911
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.840
be took almost a month to lay out. I'm trying

912
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.719
to do this for you in just a few episodes.

913
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.199
So every single, tiny minuscule piece of information from trial

914
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.960
I probably will not give to you. So I'm trying

915
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:53.639
to just give you what I find to be the

916
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:56.639
most important and telling while I'm telling the story. I

917
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:58.239
don't have thirty days to do that for you, nor

918
00:54:58.239 --> 00:54:59.719
do you want me to take thirty days to do it.

919
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.440
All right, So, nothing was found at the scene other

920
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.000
than blood, right, y'all. Remember that initial investigation that was done.

921
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.000
They took the solo cups, the snow, and the blood.

922
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.480
That's all that they had found. Well, looking into the report,

923
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.480
while building the evidence or building their case to defend Karen,

924
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.599
some information was realized that had never been mentioned really before.

925
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.440
The day that John's body was found. There was no

926
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.679
tail lights, no nothing found in the snow. Even though

927
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.039
they shoveled it and they used that infamous blower to

928
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.960
carefully remove layers of snow back and forth in the

929
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.000
area of where John's body was, nothing was found. It

930
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.719
was what four or five officers they are doing this

931
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.880
and nobody saw anything. Well, the next five days are

932
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.400
now going to really come into play here. On January

933
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.719
twenty ninth is when John was killed. No tail light

934
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.440
evidence in that search in the early morning hours. But

935
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:58.800
later that same day is whenever the State Police SRT

936
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.239
that stands for Specials spons Team, the State Police CERT

937
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:04.800
Team was asked to come out and do an additional

938
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.039
search for evidence. This is the same day that John

939
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.000
was killed. They got on scene or was murdered. You

940
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.760
have to decide, did it was an accident, whatever, that's

941
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.559
up to you to figure out right now. But they

942
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.039
got on scene around five pm. The commander that showed

943
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.320
up was advised on the basics of the situation that happened,

944
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.280
and he was pointed in the direction of where he

945
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:29.679
needed to search for additional evidence. Now, the commander of

946
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.519
the CERT team, he did not know the in law Alberts.

947
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.920
He was not friends with them. For that matter. There

948
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.519
was no connection whatsoever between the CERT commander and this investigation.

949
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.320
I want to make sure you know that it was

950
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.400
a weird request for them to be called out and

951
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.599
to search in the middle of a blizzard. Okay, and

952
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.880
there was still a blizzard kind of going on here.

953
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.760
But it was definitely normal for them to be called

954
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.400
out to do a secondary search. That was not strange.

955
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.320
The reason they would have been called is that they

956
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:02.039
have more advanced training and more advanced training specifically in

957
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:05.480
evidence searching that might be small because they use a

958
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:10.280
different process. They grid off the area and they search

959
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.079
it section by section. So the grid area that they

960
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:18.320
created was from the front door of the Albert home

961
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.519
in law Albert Home all the way to the fire

962
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.519
hydrant that I have mentioned was right near the flagpole

963
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.639
where John's body was found. And what they were advised

964
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.760
to is kind of interesting. They were advised to look

965
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:34.519
for a missing sneaker and tail light pieces. The reason

966
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.360
they said look for a sneaker was because John arrived

967
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.320
at the hospital with only one shoe on, so look

968
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.960
for a sneaker and tail light pieces. So the commander

969
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:44.320
then turned around and said, okay, well do you have

970
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.559
a photo of the tail light so we can assess

971
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.679
what we're looking for inside in terms of pieces, And

972
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.599
the officer there said, no, sorry, we don't have it.

973
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.920
Because by that time they said that they already had

974
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.280
taken Karen's car into custody and towed it from her

975
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.719
parents' house back to Canton p D. And while it

976
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.119
was being towed back to Canton PD, it was being

977
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:10.880
followed by the lead investigator, Trooper Proctor. So no, they

978
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.079
did not have a photo of it. So it was

979
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.119
kind of nasty outside and it was dark, so wearing

980
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.920
headlamps and then using their own vehicles to light up

981
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.880
the area, that's how they got the lighting where they

982
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.920
could actually see what they were doing. There was very

983
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.559
little lighting naturally without adding more, which to me, when

984
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.119
they said that makes sense as to why nobody would

985
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.119
have seen John's body out there laying for some time.

986
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.199
Because they had to add lighting to be able to

987
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.199
look in the snow, then it makes sense it was

988
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.000
probably darker in that area when they did that search. Though.

989
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:50.159
They found multiple pieces of tail light, multiple between the

990
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:55.519
street and the flagpole, three large ones and some smaller ones,

991
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:01.199
as well as his other sneaker. The large pieces were

992
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.199
almost the size of a dinner plate. So the way

993
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.079
that they did this was they would make a scoop.

994
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.519
They would look for something. If they didn't see it,

995
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:11.320
they would dump it in the street and then the

996
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:14.159
commander would then had a sifter. He would put that

997
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.280
through the sifter and then if a piece came out,

998
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.079
then they would collect it. And also what they do

999
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.719
if you don't know this is they use a GPS

1000
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.280
system to mark where every piece that they find was,

1001
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.079
so like literally you could look on a map and

1002
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.320
you would see a GPS coordinate of where the piece

1003
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.800
was found. Now, I'm talking more of the bigger pieces,

1004
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.199
the smaller ones where they sifted not so much. They

1005
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:41.360
wouldn't necessarily know exactly where that was. According to what

1006
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.920
the SRT or the certain commander said, he said that

1007
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.119
all of the pieces they found were at ground level.

1008
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.199
But the report that was written, which was written by

1009
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.480
a Canton PD officer Tully, His report said that the

1010
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:57.880
pieces were found beneath some snow, and that would indicate

1011
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.519
that there was also snow underneath the pieces. So a

1012
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:09.280
couple questions here, How the hell could pieces that presumptively

1013
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.079
when Karen hit him, that fell out on the ground,

1014
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.559
how could there be snow underneath them? If John's body

1015
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.639
was ground level, then you would think that the pieces

1016
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.199
would be ground level. But he clearly wrote in there

1017
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.440
that some of them were just found beneath some snow,

1018
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.199
meaning there was snow underneath them. Okay, so it just

1019
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:29.239
begs that question, which one is it? Number two? Why

1020
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:33.239
would the person who wrote the report not write exactly

1021
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:38.079
what the commander was saying. Was he changing the report?

1022
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.119
It just makes you kind of wonder in these little y'all's,

1023
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:41.880
the little things that become the difference. That's why it

1024
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.760
give so many details. But number three, then they found

1025
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.320
a whole ass shoe. I think it was a SiGe twelve.

1026
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.239
This is a frickin' boat man, big shout out to

1027
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.280
people who wear a toil. That's a big ass man's shoe.

1028
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:53.840
I mean, even if it wasn't a twelve, it doesn't matter.

1029
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.159
It's a whole as shoe, okay, from a man's foot.

1030
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.400
None of that was found in the original search. They

1031
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.079
couldn't find a shoe. They didn't find a shoe y'all

1032
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:07.400
next to a body. But now all these hours later,

1033
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.920
after snow has fallen and there's a blizzard, now the

1034
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.599
team not only finds a shoe, but they find pieces

1035
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:19.440
of tail light. And they're all found within inches, as

1036
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.280
in a few inches of each other. And this is

1037
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:26.599
per the GPS report. It's showing that they're right on

1038
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:28.480
top of each other, so much so that it only

1039
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.920
looks almost like one dot for multiple pieces. They're so

1040
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:34.880
close together. Okay, yet none of this was seen in

1041
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.119
the original search. So then you're like, Okay, well maybe

1042
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.360
they accidentally blew it and they didn't see it. Then

1043
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.800
it wouldn't all be together. I mean, it just doesn't jives.

1044
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.760
That can't not be like everything I've just told you

1045
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.639
cannot be. It's got to be some or none. So

1046
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.519
it's just there's a lot of questions here on what

1047
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.599
actually happened. All right. Then five days after John died,

1048
01:01:56.679 --> 01:02:00.559
this is on February the fourth, It's eight fifty the morning.

1049
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:05.639
Chief Berkowitz, he's the chief of Canton PD. He calls

1050
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.280
and wants Sergeant Lank to come back to the in

1051
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:14.119
law Albert house because he says he personally just may

1052
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:19.159
have found more evidence at the scene. His thing is

1053
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.280
a lot of snow was now gone because it had rained,

1054
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.440
and then it had the sun came out, and now

1055
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.119
the ground could be seen, and he himself may have

1056
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:30.519
found some pieces. Well. When Lank arrived, he saw a

1057
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.199
red plastic piece that was roughly six inches long. He

1058
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:39.159
photographed it and then called state police to come get it.

1059
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.760
Guess who came and got it. His name is Trooper Buchanic.

1060
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:47.280
That was Trooper Proctor's supervisor. Okay, now why am I

1061
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.800
bringing this up? Because I need you to remember the

1062
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:54.239
fact that the chief and his whole ass agency had

1063
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:59.440
recused themselves from this case. They were not doing the investigation.

1064
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.760
So so why would the chief be at the home?

1065
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.679
And number two, why was he looking for evidence? Did

1066
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.679
he just happen to drive by where he doesn't live

1067
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:13.840
and see a six inch piece of tail I just

1068
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.639
happened to even though he's recused from this and he

1069
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.239
just tell me that. Tell me that doesn't make you

1070
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:22.599
go hmm, that's weird. Well, after that evidence was documented

1071
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.480
that piece that Chief Berkowitz supposedly found, over the next

1072
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:30.679
two weeks or so, additional pieces of tail light were found,

1073
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:33.840
according to all of the evidence bags in the case.

1074
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:40.960
But guess what, none zero of these additional pieces were

1075
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:46.519
ever documented or photographed as to the actual location that

1076
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.840
they were found. None of it Like that's evidence one

1077
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:53.000
to one and none of that was done. All that

1078
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.920
was written on the bags was general vicinity and it

1079
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:01.119
was by Trooper Proctor. And the review of these documents

1080
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:04.960
would bring about even more questions. For example, a burm,

1081
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:06.880
y'all know what a burm is, right, It's a like

1082
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.639
a shelf made of snow. Right, A birm was created

1083
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:16.199
during the original investigation whenever they were pushing back the snow,

1084
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.159
and photos were taken of this because that's what you

1085
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:23.880
do in evidence collection. Okay, first photo on January twenty ninth,

1086
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.159
twenty twenty two, the day that John was died. There

1087
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.559
was no tail light photo. There was no tail lights

1088
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.639
in the berm. There was no piece of tail light, nothing.

1089
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.599
A supplemental report was filed later to this case. That's normal.

1090
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.880
You get more information you add a supplemental report. The

1091
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:48.840
issue is that the supplemental report had the same date

1092
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:55.239
as the original report, so they both say January twenty

1093
01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:00.320
ninth on them. But guess what, the photo on the

1094
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:05.440
cover page of the evidence changed. How can that be

1095
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.320
even if it was a supplemental report, the photo of

1096
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:13.519
record on the original report should remain the same. Why

1097
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:19.880
Because it's the original record and it's a supplemental not

1098
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.079
an addendum. We don't make addendums to reports. We make

1099
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:28.159
supplementals to reports. So you could argue, okay, well, human

1100
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.440
error may maybe happen, this is something you know, maybe

1101
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.639
they just put the wrong date on the report. Possibly,

1102
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.880
But tell me this, how did the original photo change

1103
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.920
to a photo of snow with a tail light in it?

1104
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.119
The photo would not change. It would have to be

1105
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:49.440
physically changed. That doesn't you You can't change the date

1106
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:55.320
and have a new photo when it's pulling the original report.

1107
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.280
It doesn't work like that. So also, a supplemental report

1108
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.880
would have its own report number, just so you know that. Okay,

1109
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:05.039
I want you to know a supplet So if the

1110
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:08.119
first report is report one, a supplemental report will be

1111
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.440
number two, but it will be noted that it's added

1112
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.599
to report one, just for ease of sake. Okay, But

1113
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.960
the supplemental report had the same report number as the

1114
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:23.000
first one. That's too fucking sketchy, man. It it's too

1115
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:28.639
it's too convenient, it's too weird. If a report is added,

1116
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:31.000
it should have a new report number and then added

1117
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.320
to the original report. That's basic record keeping. What happens

1118
01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:38.159
now is it alters the integrity of the purpose of

1119
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:42.039
a dated report and a photo change. If all of

1120
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.559
that is changed. I have a really hard time with that.

1121
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.199
I can't I can't. I can't trust that just a

1122
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:49.320
human error. There's too many things that are that are

1123
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:51.880
kind of whack there. What I would have liked to

1124
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:53.960
have seen I never got to see. This was another

1125
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.800
case handled by the same agency and look at a

1126
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.239
supplemental report, and now I would be curious to see

1127
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.199
how to the photos change and did the report number

1128
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.760
change or or whatever, which obviously it would, but I

1129
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.159
would still like to see it. The state never provided

1130
01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:09.280
this though, and so it leaves a lot of questions

1131
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.639
in my mind as to what kind of happened here.

1132
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.119
And it's really starting to seem to anyone that's of

1133
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.400
any you know, any common sense like me and you,

1134
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.679
that these reports were being altered in some way or fashion,

1135
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:24.920
and that it has to be for a reason by

1136
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.079
friends and family that are all intertwined, and all witness

1137
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.239
stories are not aligning. So this is sketchy. I mean,

1138
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:35.599
at minimum, this is getting too weird. Also, another interesting

1139
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.599
quote unquote oversight was that the address of where John's

1140
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:46.320
body was found was incorrect. It wasn't even right. So

1141
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.800
the in law Alberts lived at thirty four Fairview, but

1142
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:54.880
the official documents, the official documents of record stated thirty

1143
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:59.119
two Fairview the face sheet or the cover page of

1144
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.760
the report, and this would actually be realized later on

1145
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:08.320
like Livetime on video, the face report says thirty two fairview,

1146
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:12.280
but the rest of the report says thirty four fairview.

1147
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.600
Why would they be different? So it seemed like someone

1148
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.920
put the wrong address in, possibly to make it look

1149
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:23.079
like it was the neighbor's house, not the Alberts home.

1150
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:29.119
Just why would it change just on a one sheet

1151
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.600
of paper. If it was wrong on the cover page,

1152
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:33.840
it should have been wrong in the report. You follow me.

1153
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:39.359
So then my brain started thinking, here, the only thing

1154
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.479
that I could come up with was maybe because they

1155
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.520
called nine to one one originally from a cell phone,

1156
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.479
maybe they didn't give the location, and maybe the phone

1157
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.319
had to be pinged, and because it was right on

1158
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.600
the property line, very close on the property line, maybe

1159
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.279
the phone pinged to the neighbor's address and that's why

1160
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.159
it was wrong. And then it was corrected on scene.

1161
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.279
But then I went back because that's how I am,

1162
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:04.840
and I re listened to the nine to one one call.

1163
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.119
You can go listen to it again if you want

1164
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:07.680
to go back to last episode, but you can trust

1165
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.640
in me. I went back and relistened to it. But

1166
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.319
guess what, Jen McCabe on the phone call says she

1167
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:18.239
is at thirty four Fairview Road. Who changed the address?

1168
01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:21.960
You want to say, it's just a typo. Well, in

1169
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.159
conjunction with everything else, it's kind of seeming to pile up.

1170
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:27.640
There's a whole lot of either shitty police work problems,

1171
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.199
bad report writing, or something else is at play. Do

1172
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.920
you remember the Sergeant Good that I mentioned was the

1173
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.640
officer at dispatch that morning. He's going to come into

1174
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:41.079
play again too. So Sergeant Good left the dispatch station

1175
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.640
and he went to the in law Albert's home, and

1176
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.800
he asked another officer to cover him. Right, He called

1177
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:49.920
two other officers, which by the way, neither of those

1178
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.079
officers were on duty, to come and meet him there,

1179
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.079
one of those officers being Sergeant Link, knowing that this

1180
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:00.239
was Brian Albert's home, and this was brought up. But

1181
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.840
I would like to clarify something here on that. It

1182
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:06.720
looks sketchy, like, oh my god, you know, why would

1183
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.439
you call an officer who's off duty to come to

1184
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.239
this house. You know, Oh, there's some kind of conspiracy here.

1185
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.640
But I did a little more research on this, and

1186
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.279
he was actually scheduled to work that day. Sergeant Lank

1187
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:20.239
was scheduled to work that day. It was just earlier

1188
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:24.319
than shift started, so they called him because it was

1189
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:26.000
the end of someone else's shift. He would have been

1190
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:27.960
coming in and he could take it from the get go,

1191
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.000
And he did officially go ten eight, which means on duty,

1192
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:35.279
unlike the time he got involved with the Albert brother

1193
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.840
at the bar who claimed that he was being harassed. Okay,

1194
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:41.000
he wasn't on duty that day, so it does show

1195
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.680
you that he went above and beyond for his friend,

1196
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:48.119
because he wasn't even on duty that day. So he claims.

1197
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.840
Sergeant Good claims that he was there when Sergeant Lank

1198
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.840
first went into the in law Albert's home, but we

1199
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.239
found that to be untrue. You already know Sergeant Lank

1200
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:03.800
went in by himself before Good ever arrived, and when

1201
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.199
they both went in together, which would have been Lank's

1202
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.239
second time in, and he already knew that they had

1203
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:12.840
been partying together. They never searched the home. They never

1204
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.079
did anything of that nature. And when Sergeant Good was

1205
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.439
questioned specifically about what all happened when he arrived on scene,

1206
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:23.039
he said he heard Karen Reid screaming in distress. He

1207
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:25.479
said there was a lot going on. There were fire

1208
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.439
trucks and ambulances. It was a super chaotic scene. He

1209
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.880
was there for an hour and a half on scene

1210
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:34.399
and he never once heard Karen Reid say I hit him.

1211
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:37.960
It was never mentioned in his report, but yet this

1212
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:41.800
is why Karen was arrested so far, was because of

1213
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.920
her supposedly saying it. He also said he never saw

1214
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.840
Brian or Nicole Albert come out of their home. He

1215
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.439
also was the officer that was on scene when the

1216
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.840
leaf blower was blowing all the way down to the ground,

1217
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:57.800
when all they found was blood in that they put

1218
01:11:57.800 --> 01:11:59.720
into the cups. He was the one actually filming it

1219
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.560
when it happened. He was there when they were recovering

1220
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.199
the blood. He never saw pieces of tail light. He

1221
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:09.760
never saw a shoe. The on scene log you have

1222
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.920
to keep us a log every time people come on

1223
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:13.560
and off of a crime scene. If you didn't know that,

1224
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.319
why because we want to know who's on scene for

1225
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.800
instances just like this, and you have to put your

1226
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:22.279
home address or if you're working that scene, you would

1227
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:26.840
put the agency's address because you're representing the agency. Well,

1228
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.800
everybody's name was on that log, first name, last name,

1229
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:34.359
address and all that stuff. But there's one name on

1230
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:40.439
that log during evidence collection the original time, but all

1231
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:45.680
it said was a first name. It said Brian, there

1232
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:50.159
was no last name, and the address was the Canton

1233
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:53.560
PD address. In what planet do you put just a

1234
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:57.039
first name of someone who has entered your crime scene

1235
01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:59.680
and you know, good and damn well, it's the homeowner

1236
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:02.680
Brian that was out there looking and you know, good

1237
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.119
and damn well, if it was homeowner Brian Albert, he

1238
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:08.279
was not representing the PD at that time. He was

1239
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:10.840
representing himself at his home and it should have been

1240
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:13.920
his home address. So obviously there's a few more people

1241
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:16.680
that are also of interest in this case. And so

1242
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:18.800
I want to go over briefly what they told police

1243
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:21.640
when they were spoken to Carrie Roberts. Remember she was

1244
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:23.199
the one that found the body of Jen McCabe and

1245
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:26.479
Karen Reid Well, her husband was in bed with her

1246
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.199
the morning that John they went to go look for John.

1247
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.239
So Karen's asleep with her husband in the bed, her

1248
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:35.199
phone rings. Well, they interviewed Carrie's husband to ask, hey,

1249
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.840
you know, what do you recall about this? And he

1250
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:40.560
was very point blank he just said, look, the phone rang,

1251
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:43.279
I could hear somebody screaming on the other line. It

1252
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.680
alarmed me because it was so loud. I rolled over

1253
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:47.640
when she hung up, I said, what is going on?

1254
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:50.800
Who was that? And my wife said that Karen said

1255
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:55.199
John is missing. John is missing. He was very clear

1256
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:59.960
on that. Not dead, not run over. John is missing

1257
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.000
is what Karen said. And I'd like to point something out.

1258
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:05.520
I believe this, husband, and I believe that to be true.

1259
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:08.720
Why because remember when Carrie was sitting in the driveway

1260
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.880
waiting for them, and then she ended up later going

1261
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:13.560
to go meet with them, but she was waiting, she

1262
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:16.079
called nine one one, Remember that she wanted to see

1263
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.199
if John had been arrested or anything like that the

1264
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.119
night before. Well, the call was lighthearted. You listened to it.

1265
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:25.279
I played it for you. There was no alarm at all.

1266
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.800
So was Carrie miss remembering what she had just been told,

1267
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:34.039
because if she had said John's dead or John, well,

1268
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.119
she did say that that Karen told her John's dead.

1269
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:39.439
But if she had said that Karen said John was dead,

1270
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.159
why was her call so lighthearted to the police just

1271
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:44.439
checking on him? Ha ha ha ha ha. That would

1272
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:48.199
not have been the approach. So maybe she's misremembering what happened,

1273
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:50.119
but the husband sure to align with the fact that

1274
01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:55.399
Karen just said John was missing. So then the brothers

1275
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.680
of the in law Alberts, Chris Albert and Julie Albert.

1276
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.720
Remember this is pizza shop owner Albert's, they too were

1277
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:05.399
questioned because their son Colin, was at the in law

1278
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.239
Albert's house the night John died for that brother, for

1279
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.279
that son that was having a birthday party. Basically, what

1280
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.119
was brought up though, was didn't y'all have a disagreement

1281
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.439
with John recently? And they kind of cracked up about it.

1282
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:21.039
This said, are you freaking serious? This is what had happened.

1283
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:26.159
There was a running joke where the pizza Alberts had

1284
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.600
John in their phone as never Cracker. Okay, I had

1285
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:31.079
to look this up because I didn't know what it was,

1286
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.560
but Nevercracker is a cartoon character. It's a grumpy old

1287
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:36.960
man and he didn't want people on his lawn. The

1288
01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.279
reason that they had nicknamed him Never Cracker was because

1289
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:45.960
there was an incident where John had caught I'm gonna

1290
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.199
say caught, okay, but caught their kids cutting across his

1291
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.319
lawn one time and another time he found beer bottles

1292
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:56.279
that he thought that their son, Colin may have thrown

1293
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:58.840
in his bushes. Okay, well, the son that he caught,

1294
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:05.239
and I'm saying, caught loosely cutting through his yard. John

1295
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:07.760
had yelled out at him, get off my lawn, kid,

1296
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.680
and he was joking. I know he's joking because he

1297
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.279
felt bad afterwards because he didn't think the kid took

1298
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.279
it as joking, and so he even called up the

1299
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:18.720
Pizza Alberts and they admitted to this too. They said

1300
01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:20.760
this is true and said, I feel so bad. I

1301
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.039
was just picking what's his favorite candy. I'll bring him

1302
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.600
some candy to make up with him. Clearly, John didn't

1303
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.279
have animosity with this kid. So a few days later

1304
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:34.000
or some time later, whenever John was on vacation in

1305
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:37.560
Aruba or wherever he was, the Pizza Alberts went into

1306
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:41.000
his front yard holding beer bottles and they have this

1307
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.199
goofy photo of them in front of his house like

1308
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.800
they're gonna go mess up his lawn. Okay, clearly it

1309
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.159
is a joke. Anyone who sees the photos would know

1310
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.800
that they were joking and it was just a play on.

1311
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:55.640
They were gonna throw beer bottles in his yard. They

1312
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:59.279
were friends, y'all. It was mischief, kid shit, and there

1313
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:03.359
was no fight there. Okay. The night that John met

1314
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.239
all of them up at the Waterfall bar, before he

1315
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:09.880
got there, he had received a text from Pizza Chris

1316
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.000
Albert that said get over here, or I'll fuck up

1317
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:17.159
your lawn. This made perfect sense. It was playful banter

1318
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:23.359
as to the ongoing joke about their son. But in

1319
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:25.640
court later on, I'll just tell you this, it was

1320
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.000
introduced as they said, I'll fuck up your lawn like

1321
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.399
it was a fight. But the actual text, if you

1322
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.720
look at it in context, was to John saying get

1323
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.000
over here or I'll fuck up your lawn, saying come

1324
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:37.920
hang out with us at the waterfall. That's how I behave.

1325
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.119
I'm gonna look through it with my lens and I

1326
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:42.399
would definitely say that to you if me and you

1327
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:45.159
had to run and joke about it. Whatever. I have

1328
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:47.800
a neighbor, for example, that every time I see him,

1329
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:50.319
I flip him off and he flips me off. Anyone

1330
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.119
on the outside would think that we were being mean

1331
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:53.720
to each other, but it's actually just a joke. That's

1332
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:55.199
what we do. We just flip each other off. Okay,

1333
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:57.479
it's kind of along the same lines. The argument was

1334
01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:01.039
made though maybe their son and Colin while he was

1335
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:04.199
at the house hanging out with that party, when John

1336
01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:06.279
showed up, they got into an argument. Maybe the sun

1337
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:08.800
beat up John and that's how we ended up in

1338
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:13.119
the yard. But the parents would testify that Chris walked

1339
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.880
home from the waterfall, which is on video that's verified.

1340
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:20.000
He got home around you know, twelve twenty ish. I

1341
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:23.159
guess you'd say he ran upstairs, put on his pajamas,

1342
01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.600
got in his bed, and he said about ten minutes later,

1343
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.079
his son came in said, hey, I'm home. I love you,

1344
01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.800
I'm going to bed. That seems completely reasonable to me,

1345
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.000
and I don't think that they were they were lying

1346
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:40.279
about that. But the next morning is whenever pizza Albert.

1347
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:44.800
Wife Albert went to the in law Albert's house to

1348
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.640
go drop off donuts because again that son was having

1349
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:49.520
a birthday that would have been her nephew, and that's

1350
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.239
whenever she pulled up to put the donuts in his car.

1351
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:54.119
That was something that they had been doing for years,

1352
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:57.279
as she would do that when he arrived. When she arrived,

1353
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.520
she said that the in law Albert's were there, mccabs

1354
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.439
were there, and so was ATF Brian Higgins, and they

1355
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:06.760
called her into the house and that's when they broke

1356
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:12.439
the news that John was hurt and or dead. Now

1357
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:14.439
I want to add a little piece of information here

1358
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:18.000
that you might want to know. Pizza Chris Albert not

1359
01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:20.880
only owns the pizza shop, but he also was elected

1360
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:24.359
as a town selectman. He was one of five. Okay,

1361
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:26.199
this means he had a job to kind of like

1362
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.439
oversee municipalities and utilities and things like that. But it

1363
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.119
also included that he would have a little bit of

1364
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:40.319
oversight of Canton PD. Okay, well, that means that Lank

1365
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.520
part of the Canton p D, as well as Chief

1366
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.960
Berkowitz part of the Canton p D. They would know him.

1367
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.640
But guess what he Chris Albert had been friends with Lank,

1368
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:51.880
like I told you, since there were kids. But also

1369
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:55.319
he had been friends with the Proctors, the state trooper

1370
01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:58.600
that was overseeing the investigation. He had been friends with

1371
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:04.159
them for a long time. Michael Proctor, Trooper. Proctor donated

1372
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:08.399
to Chris's campaign fund when he was running for that office. Again,

1373
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:10.800
this was after John died. Just to be clear, but

1374
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.520
guess who else donated after John died to his campaign

1375
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:17.840
police chief Berkowitz. There's a photo of them at the

1376
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:20.600
at the fundraiser together. I'll post that on Patreon for

1377
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:24.039
you so you can see it. So basically, there is

1378
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:27.960
a personal and professional relationship between Pizza Chris Albert and

1379
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:37.079
Canton p D the Chief Lodi Lottida, so Julie Albert,

1380
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:41.920
which is Pizza wife Albert. She says that they also

1381
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:46.520
got interviewed thirteen days after John's death, so it was

1382
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.680
certainly a very large gap before they were even interviewed

1383
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:54.199
about what happened. Okay, check this out. Pizza Julie Albert

1384
01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:01.680
and Trooper Proctor's sister best friends speak on the phone regularly.

1385
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:06.760
The day that Karen was arrested, she spoke to Procter's

1386
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:11.279
wife for almost fifteen minutes and sixty seven times after

1387
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:15.840
that over the next seven months. Pizza Julie Albert also

1388
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.079
spoke to Procter's sister before Karen's arraignment and after like

1389
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:25.920
that day, but multiple times when questioned she said, oh,

1390
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:27.680
that just didn't have anything to do with that case.

1391
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:29.279
It's just that we were talking. I don't believe that

1392
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:34.119
for one second, okay. Also Pizza Julie Albert. She babysat

1393
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:40.680
Procter's sisters kids. They're friends, y'all. They know one another,

1394
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.560
they know each other well, okay. And when Julie Pizza

1395
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:50.199
Julie and her husband, Pizza Chris Albert were interviewed, they

1396
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:54.479
were interviewed together, not separate, so their story is obviously aligned.

1397
01:21:55.439 --> 01:22:00.600
And that same night, she called Michael Procter's personal cell

1398
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:04.560
phone at six seventeen and he returned her call back

1399
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:08.600
and they spoke for four minutes. Why would you call

1400
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:10.800
some one's personal cell phone if you did not know them.

1401
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:13.119
Maybe he gave the card with the cell phone, I

1402
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.479
don't know. But when State Police called to talk to

1403
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:20.359
Julie Albert, originally she told him she was sick and

1404
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.199
that she'd have to call them back. And when they

1405
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:26.239
called back to see if she could talk, she didn't answer.

1406
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:32.640
But then she texted them in April and said that

1407
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:36.039
she could meet up. Okay. So it's just kind of

1408
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:39.039
weird how all of this is going on. I also

1409
01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:43.319
left you off last episode about Karen Reid's butthole, okay,

1410
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:47.359
and what did her butthole have to do with State

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01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:51.640
investigator State Trooper Proctor investigating this. Okay, well, let's address that.

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01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.359
So when Proctor took Karen's cell phone to search it,

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01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.720
he then started talking to other officers in a group

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01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:02.399
text as well as just some of his friends in

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01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.359
a group text, and he started with, this is a

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01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:09.640
quote no nude so far, all right, personally speaking, some

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01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:11.199
of y'all might come at me for this, whatever, I

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01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:13.840
don't care. I chalk this up to number one, poor

1419
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:20.159
taste and a dark joke at best. Okay, because people

1420
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:22.079
be weird, all right, people be wild and on their

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01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:25.800
cell phones, trust me on that. Nudes are everywhere, and

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01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:27.479
so I do think it was in poor taste. But

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01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.560
I don't think that that exact text was necessarily like

1424
01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:35.520
anything that you know to fire him over at that

1425
01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:39.119
exact moment. But other things he said in that text

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01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:43.960
group become problematic. He says, she waffled him, as in

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01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:46.000
she hit him with the car, and someone said and

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01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:49.279
then left him to die in the cold, and Proctor responded,

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01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:53.000
that's another animal we won't be able to prove. Someone

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01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.319
in the group said, I'm sure owners of the house

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01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.479
are going to receive some shit, and Proctor responded, nope.

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01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:03.920
Homeowner's a Boston cor Okay. By the way, he said

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01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.399
this after only speaking to the mccabs and the Alberts

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01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:10.640
at the point that that text was sent. Okay, so

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01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:12.760
he's already made up his mind and he's not even

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01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:17.560
twelve hours into his investigation. That's not proper. Okay. Someone

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01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.239
said I thought he was drunk. Could he have been

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01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:23.439
beat up? Proctor said nope. Someone asked who's the homeowner?

1439
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:28.159
Proctor never answered. Someone said does Canton have jurisdiction and

1440
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:33.359
Proctor said, nah, had to recuse themselves, So he's already

1441
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:37.399
admitting that they've been recused. Someone said, I guess you'll

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01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:39.600
make this cut and dry since it involves a Canton

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01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:45.960
police department. And another person said something stinks here that

1444
01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:49.720
someone not even affiliated with this said something stinks, and

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01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.960
he said, yeah, but there will be serious charges put

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01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:57.199
on the girl. Someone says, is she hot? Proctor said,

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01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.760
from all accounts, she's a whack job cunt. She's a

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01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.720
babe with a Fall River accent and no ass. By

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01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.359
the way, he hadn't even really spoken to Karen at

1450
01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:13.920
this point, so whose account is he referencing? And then

1451
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:17.159
someone said, oh, she's skating and his response was zero

1452
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:21.319
chance she skates. She's fucked. That was seventeen hours into

1453
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:26.359
the investigation. He already said she's fucked, and someone responded good,

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01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:30.239
no ass bitch, and Proctor said lol. A few days later,

1455
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:33.520
on February second, there were more texts and Proctor said,

1456
01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.800
talking about Karen, she has a leaky balloon, knot she

1457
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:40.680
leaks pooh. I took offense to that, and I'm gonna

1458
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:44.520
tell you why. Karen Reid. He was referencing the fact

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01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:48.159
that she had to have ten surgeries in eighteen months

1460
01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:52.479
and a collectomy, which is the same type of surgery

1461
01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:56.960
I had to have whenever I had colon cancer. So

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01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:00.000
it just kind of is like, how objective are you

1463
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.359
really being if you're going to say that, First of all,

1464
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:04.640
why would you share that with people? That's private information

1465
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:08.520
and you have a privileged access to her phone, and

1466
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:10.439
then you're going to take her personal information that you

1467
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:12.279
find and share that with other people. I find that

1468
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.159
absolutely disgusting, as well as the other parts, but just

1469
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.159
specifically that it was just to humiliate her. There's no

1470
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.359
other reason to say that. And then someone said, why

1471
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.600
does her asshole leak? You know? It's just this is

1472
01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:29.079
unprofessional at best, and this is obviously showing that there

1473
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:33.520
was clearly a bias against her from the jump. So

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01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.560
all of these texts, mind you, are happening when a

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01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.399
grand jury was brought together to hear if the evidence

1476
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:46.319
supported maintaining and going after Karen Reid. Sergeant Proctor testified

1477
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.760
in that in that grand jury, and when he was

1478
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:53.800
asked directly in that grand jury questioning do you know

1479
01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:57.319
the Alberts or did you know the Alberts, he testified No.

1480
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.159
That is a flat out lie that he testified to.

1481
01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:04.760
And follow me here. That grand jury testimony was on

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01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.800
June tenth of twenty twenty two. If they didn't know

1483
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:11.159
each other, and I don't even mean a context of investigation,

1484
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.079
I mean personally, if they didn't know each other per

1485
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:17.920
his testimony in June, on June tenth, then why the

1486
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:22.880
hell in February months prior were there are fourteen calls

1487
01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:28.640
between Jennifer McCabe and Sergeant Proctor when that was happening

1488
01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.439
if they did not know each other. Also, another officer

1489
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.640
that one named Tully, that was involved in the initial investigation,

1490
01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:39.840
he asked jen McCabe in the fall of twenty twenty three,

1491
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:45.439
if she had any sort of relationship with personal business whatever,

1492
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:50.439
and she said she never met Procter before September of

1493
01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:53.720
twenty twenty three, then riddle me this, how are they

1494
01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.760
texting the year prior if they didn't know each other,

1495
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:00.239
both of them relying. Also, what if I told you

1496
01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:03.880
pizza store Albert's son, which would be Jen McCabe's nephew,

1497
01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:08.359
was the ring bearer at the Proctor wedding when he

1498
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:12.439
was little. He's seventeen now the night John died for reference,

1499
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:20.159
give me a break, all right, that in mind, I

1500
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:21.520
told you I was going to wrap this up in

1501
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:25.880
a beautiful messy bow for you. Well that's kind of

1502
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:28.880
half of the messy bow to give you some insight

1503
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:33.640
to this. But now, more importantly, there's even more that

1504
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:36.880
matters beyond just the little details. But there are going

1505
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.760
to be egregious large slices of information that you're gonna

1506
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:42.880
want to know if you're still unsure as to what

1507
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:46.279
happened to John O'Keefe. Things like two am trips to

1508
01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:49.600
police departments after someone is believed to be dead in

1509
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:53.760
the front yard. Things like Google searches that magically changed

1510
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:57.920
timestamps and volleys of phone calls between witnesses and people

1511
01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:02.039
working the case, but were there recused yet remain involved.

1512
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:05.880
But then again, there's also gonna be these angry voicemails

1513
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:09.119
that are about to come into play, as well as biomechanics.

1514
01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:13.039
A crime scene reconstruction that leaves more questions than answers

1515
01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.920
will also be brought up. And what about deleted phone

1516
01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:20.319
data and completely missing phones? Does that make you wonder?

1517
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.119
Because I haven't even gotten to that yet, and it

1518
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:26.039
should make you wonder. So it's still gonna take me

1519
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:29.880
another episode for me to get all this covered. But

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01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.239
trust if you want to know this case and you

1521
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:34.359
want to know everything, I'm gonna give it to you.

1522
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:36.239
Until then, though, I'm gonna give you some advice. I

1523
01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:38.960
want you to assess the people that are close to you,

1524
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:44.359
how much do you matter to them? John had acquaintances,

1525
01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:47.640
messing with his woman who was very happy to turn

1526
01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.720
on him and mess right back with that acquaintance. John

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01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.359
had friends that now seemed aloof to the fact that

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01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:58.560
he was found dead on a lawn. And then there's

1529
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.800
experts who are about to weigh and their findings aren't

1530
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.960
gonna align with anyone's statements, especially the friends of John

1531
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.560
that allegedly know exactly what happened that night or where

1532
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:11.760
they were at least, I guess what we're gonna need

1533
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:15.319
to look at more closely is data from cars, from

1534
01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:19.800
cell phones and GPS's since nothing else is really seeming

1535
01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:22.399
to be clear. So until then, I want you to

1536
01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:27.119
keep your friends close and your enemy's closer, because enemies

1537
01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:30.119
are at least blunt and honest. Your friends are gonna

1538
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:34.239
lie to you with smiles. With Karen's life now in

1539
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.920
the balance, since she's been indicted for her boyfriend's death,

1540
01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:40.279
there's gonna be a clear line that's drawn in the sand,

1541
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:44.279
and people are gonna start taking sides. Karen is adamant

1542
01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:46.760
that she did not hit John, and now she is

1543
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.520
in the fight of her life against the commonwealth of

1544
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:52.560
an entire state that is against her. Friends are gonna

1545
01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.840
help you move in times of need. They're gonna provide

1546
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:58.439
you that soft place to land when you need somebody

1547
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.960
to talk to. But don't discount the role of an enemy,

1548
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.640
because more often than not, they're the very ones are

1549
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:09.199
going to help you grow a spine. M