Nov. 18, 2025

The Chef of Portland

The Chef of Portland

KJ explores the murder of Chef Daniel Brophy, a cherished educator at the Oregon Culinary Institute. Chapters 01:34 Chef Daniel Brophy 08:46 The Day of the Incident 12:17 Emergency Response 18:42 A Shift in Focus 32:58 The Search for Answers 43:40...

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Season 9

KJ explores the murder of Chef Daniel Brophy, a cherished educator at the Oregon Culinary Institute.

Chapters
01:34 Chef Daniel Brophy
08:46 The Day of the Incident
12:17 Emergency Response
18:42 A Shift in Focus 32:58 The Search for Answers
43:40 The Ex-Wife's Insights
53:01 The Clues Unravel

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey,

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y'all's kJ here back with another episode of Unspeakable. What's

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going on with you? I have got an episode today

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that's gonna take us straight to Portland, Oregon, where a

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more organ people at I'm waving at you.

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How are y'all doing? But I'm gonna tell you this

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right now.

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Everybody knows for a fact that I am a girl

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from South Louisiana, and I know good food, King cake, gumbo,

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and crawfish. Those are God's gift to us as far

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as I am concerned. Now that said, a professional chef

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may beg to disagree with me on this. And while

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you know, there's no set way to become a chef.

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Becoming a respected chef, that's gonna take time and experience,

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everything from culinary school to getting a degree, different certifications

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or a combination thereof. So much is involved in becoming

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a respected chef. And if anyone was a respected chef

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in Portland, Organ it was sixty three year old Daniel Brothy.

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Now he worked as an instructor at the Organ Culinary

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Institute and he was seriously and I'm not just saying this.

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I know it gets posed this way a lot when

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you're listening to stories, but he was seriously one of

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the most beloved members of their faculty, the students, and

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I think this is a testament to him.

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The students of.

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All races, all ages, different cultures, all of them felt

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like he was basically a father figure to them and

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having him as your instructor was considered a privilege on

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that campus. He knew what he was doing and he

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was good at it. He truly had a passion for cooking,

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but also everything that came with it. He was like

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a walking encyclopedia of food knowledge and the students, if

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they had any questions whatsoever, he wasn't someone that would

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have to go look it up.

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He just knew.

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And that's where this respect really was founded in. It

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was because he wasn't just someone who read a book

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and then just repeated out what he had learned.

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No, this man knew it.

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He knew it intrinsically because he spent so much time

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with the foods, cooking the foods, researching them, growing them

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all aspects of food.

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Now.

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He loved, though, to get outside of the classroom with

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his students. He would take them places on field trips

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in culinary school places like mushroom farms, because he was

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a mushroom expert, and he really wanted his students to

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get a holistic understanding of where the food came from

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and how it was grown, so that when they used

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it in the kitchen, they had a full, a full

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scope of understanding of why the foods were cooked the

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way that they were and how to bring out the

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most in the flavor. His love for the food really

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was rooted in his upbringing. He grew up in North Dakota.

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He was a preacher's son, and growing foods at his

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home that was the norm for them. He was taught

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to grow, to cook and to eat the fruits of

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his own hard labor, and so this was really ingrained

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in who he was. He appreciated all that it took

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to create a meal, which led to him having a

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love for the entire process of creating what you eat.

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So he and his wife Nancy, now that he's an adult,

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they had lived in this rural neighborhood where he continued

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forward in his adult life with that same concept. So

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he enjoyed raising chickens and raising turkeys, and he did

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just basically what he did as a kid. He had

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two pups too, And you know, I think an animal

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a pet A lot of times it says something about

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a person. I don't know why, Maybe I read too

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much into it, but this tickled me. He had two

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pups and they were affectionately yet humorously named after food.

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And their names were none other than Peebee and Jay,

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and I thought that was so sweet, right, So as

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you can ta well, Chef Brofy's humor and his wittiness

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was undeniable. He was known for his so called brofeisms,

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and one of his most famous brofeism when he was

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teaching was this is like an example, but he would say,

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the best cure for a sick chicken, it's a shovel.

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So he was funny the way he approached everything. But

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something else that made him an amazing leader was his

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belief in helping the less fortunate. He would hold contests

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and these bakeoffs is what they would call him, But

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he would pick a winner, but everybody in the class

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would participate in this. And then after it all was

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said and done and a winner had been chosen and

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all of that, well, the food wasn't going to go

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to waste because he would himself hand deliver all of

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the goods to the homeless in the area. And it

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was something that the homeless really appreciated.

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It was heartfelt.

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The whole reason he put on these bakeoffs was for

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that end result. Not only did the kids get to practice,

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but then someone benefited from their practice. And the school

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where he worked, they offered programs in everything from baking

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and pastries to restaurant management. It was really a whole

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learning cycle here in the food industry, and the focus

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was hands on training in a realistic environment. So, with

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the tuition at this school costing anywhere from eighteen to

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thirty three thousand dollars, the school consisted of a ten

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thousand foot it was actually ten thousand, three hundred and

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one if you want to be really specific, but a

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ten thousand square foot campus with lecture rooms, computer labs,

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and it also had kitchens, multiple kitchens in it, so

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the students would have their own workstations or cooking stations,

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and that's where they would have to prepare and get

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ready before class would begin every day at their own

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little stations that were set up.

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So classes usually.

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Began around eight am, but students and faculty alike were

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expected to be ready at eight am, not arriving at

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eight am, so most would arrive around seven point thirty

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and they would start getting prepared for the day. And

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that was exactly the case on June second, twenty eighteen.

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It was a pretty day outside and there was a

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lot to get done before class started, so Chef Brofey

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arrived at the school. He parked his truck on the

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side of the street before he opened up the employee

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door that was right where he had parked his truck

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and it faced the street. To the right of that

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employee door was a large metal roll up door, so

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he went inside. He disarmed the alarm, and then he

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opened up the metal roll up door as well. Right

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after he'd turned off the alarm, and he did so

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to go grab some larger items from his truck that

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he wanted to bring inside before starting his prep work. Now,

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inside the kitchen there were these large metal tables and

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large fridge fridges, all this huge industrial freezer, basically everything

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that you would expect to use when cooking. And there's

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a lot of people involved. And a few moments later

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after he started getting his stuff together, students would begin

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arriving as well. Now, Dan always thought it was important

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to provide for his students, and so one thing he

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would always do was he would fill up a large

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water jug with ice and then you know, water from

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that industrial sink right there in that area where he

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had pulled up the roll up door and all those things.

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Well, this day, in particular, this.

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Was sure to be a really stressful but also exciting

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day because it was what they called live fire day,

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and this was where the students would come in and

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they would be simulating a restaurant cook line and they

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would have to make the orders that the chef would

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write down for them. So this was kind of like

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the equivalent of a final exam. That's kind of the

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level of what this would be, and so it was

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that important of a day. The students knew that when

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they had when they got there, they had to have

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their heads on straight. They needed to be not goofing around,

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get everything ready because they were going to be judged

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based on how well they did. So when the students

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started to arrive, they couldn't get in the front door,

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and they thought that that was odd. You know, the

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door should have been open, they should have been able

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to come in to get going. So they all kind

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of congregated outside of the front door waiting for it

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to be unlocked. A couple of them left, I know

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one said she walked down and got a Starbucks and

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then came back, and by that time the door would

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eventually be unlocked by a different chef, and this was

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the pastry chef. So she unlocked the door and then

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they all went going into this student area and then

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eventually we're going to their assigned workstations to begin set

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up and the preparation tasks. Following the mentality of everything

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in its place, okay, and that means.

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Your workflow is everything.

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When you're in a cooking environment, you need to know

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where everything is. It needs to be set up properly,

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sharpen your knives, grab a kitchen towel, set up your bowls,

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stabilize your cutting board, not to mention, you know, grabbing

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any ingredients that you might need to get. So, as

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the hustle on the bust of the day was starting,

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yelling isn't something one would expect to hear from the

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kitchen area, at least in the school.

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I know right now, someone who's worked in the cooking

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industry is like, what over? They always yell in the kitchen.

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That's not what I mean, just in this school environment,

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that wasn't what was going to take place here. And

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so when raised voices, matter of fact, this was not

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just a raised voice that was heard. This was a shriek,

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a fearful and scared, near guttural scream erupted from the

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back area of the building. And so Clorinda Perez, she

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was a student, and she had gone back into the

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kitchen area because she heard water continuously running and that

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wasn't normal. So when she went back there, she turned

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the corner and there she came upon her instructor on

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the ground not moving, and that is why she yelled

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out she needed help. Oh, my god, Chef Brothy is down.

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So student heads popped up and they're kind of looking

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in the direction of the scream. But they did recognize

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the word help, and so once it set in and

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was quickly recognized, oh, they're yelling for help, people started

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running towards the kitchen to see what was going on,

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and there they all saw the same thing. Their beloved

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chef was on the ground. He was lying on his back,

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and he was kind of in front of an ice machine,

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but his feet were near the sink where the water

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had been running. So the immediate understanding was and something

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that I think all of us would probably go to

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if you go in and you find a sixty something

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year old man on his back on the ground, is

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that he seemed to be suffering a heart attack. That's

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what it looked like. And so immediately, and kudo to

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these students man, but they jumped right into action. Some

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of them tore off, running to go get other faculty members.

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But Clorinda, she jumped in to try to give CPR

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to her instructor. So people were running trying to help.

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Finally an instructor came. She jumped on the phone and

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she dialed nine to one one at eight twenty four

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a m. The call came in for an unconscious, not

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breathing person, which is considered a serious call. It's going

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to have a rapid response because if you don't breathe,

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you die. So the call itself, I was gonna play

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it for y'all, but listen, seriously, it's not one that

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I think would make or break the episode. And there

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was a lot of kind of downtime in the call,

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so I'm not going to play it for you.

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I don't think that it affects this case that much.

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The call itself isn't something I think you would necessarily

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be impressed by. But there was one thing that I

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heard in the nine one one call that really I

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wanted to focus on. Whenever they called in. The feeling

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you get is that, like I said, this is a

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heart attack situation, and when you're listening to the dispatcher,

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it seems that she kind of is on board with

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that as well. But one statement a few minutes in

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a few minutes in to the call was perplexing because

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CPR was started, EMS was en route, and CPR was

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being performed consistently on Chef Brophy, Yet at one point,

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the caller mentions that there was a small amount of

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blood on his shirt.

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This is minutes in to compressions having been started.

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So a heart attack, you don't expect that to cause

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blood to be on someone's shirt. But then again, you know,

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this is a non visual environment that the dispatcher is in.

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They're just going off of what they're being told, and

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so you know, maybe he fell and when he fell

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he hit his nose or something along those lines. Well,

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the student who's doing the CPR then says, I think

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I broke a rib that came out. So it took

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responders minutes to get there. But then they were directed

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to the building and they got in there and got

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to work pretty quickly after the onset of the initial call.

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So when they got there though, and then they actually

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made it into the kitchen area where Chef Brofy was

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on the ground, by that point, the compressions had been stopped.

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So why did they stop the compressions. They weren't directed

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to stop compressions, but Chef Brofy wasn't showing any signs

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of life, like nothing, absolutely nothing. Now I'm not giving

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medical advice right now. I am not a doctor, but

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I can tell you this. A lot of people expect

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for some reason that when you are doing CPR, it's

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going to be like in the movies, where you know,

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you pump the chest three times, you give a breath,

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and then all of a sudden someone coughs up and

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then they spit out some liquid and then you know.

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They sit up and oh my god, you know, thank

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you you.

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And that's just not real life. That's not how that works.

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So you don't want to stop compressions until help arrives.

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But in this instance, they felt like he was gone, gone.

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The compressions weren't seeming to do anything, and the more

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they did compressions, the more blood was coming out. So

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his arms were up above his head right whenever ems

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was getting there, the way he was laying on the ground,

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and that female instructor who had called nine to one one,

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they stopped CPR, but she didn't want to leave him,

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and she reached up and she grabbed his hand and

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she kind of clasped it in hers and she just

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wanted to comfort him. And her thoughts here were she

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didn't know this chef very well. Okay, it was a

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big facility and there was lots of people coming and going.

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But she didn't know him very well, but just in case,

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just in case, by some chance, he were able to

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feel her, she didn't want him to think that he

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was alone. And so she sat there and she clasped

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his hand because even though she didn't know him very well,

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just the humanity in her knew that human touch matters

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when someone is dying. And so as she held his hand,

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she kind of stared at his watch on his wrist,

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just not believing what she was experiencing could even be real.

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How did this happen? It's eight thirty in the morning.

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What is going on here? But when EMS got in there,

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they made them all clear the room, and so she

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had to let go of his hand, but she left

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the room just devastated for this other instructor. So the

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responders they jumped in and they began to work on

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him immediately. They cut off his shirt and they placed

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pads for an electric shock, and another worker was going

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to start putting in the IV whenever they got a

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shock of their own because when they removed his shirt,

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a bullet casing clinked on the ground. So MS kind

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of stops for just a second to try to take

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in what's going on here? So this is not a

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heart attack situation. This is a shooting, you know, And

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so they're kind of stunned and they're looking around like, okay, well,

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hang on a second. Was this a suicide attempt? Has

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this guy killed himself? Because people do make terrible decisions,

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and they do that in abnormal places for sure, but

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just wow, why would you go to work and then

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kill yourself when you knew students would be coming in?

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That's crazy.

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But when the responders kind of momentarily stopped, they kind

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of shifted back a bit and started looking around to

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take this in and understand what they were dealing with.

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And then further assessment of their victim on the ground

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showed that he had not only been shot once, but

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he was shot twice.

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Okay, so this is crazy.

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Basically, when the clothing was still on him and this

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girl was doing CPR, the blood eventually was rising up.

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But I have a medical explanation for that later on.

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But that's why there wasn't blood everywhere. It kind of

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seemed to stay within the chest cavity and not come

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out like you might would expect. Not to mention though,

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if this was a suicide they couldn't find a gun

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near him, So they're looking around the body like, right, wait,

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we need to locate the gun, we.

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Need to make the scene safe. But they couldn't find

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the gun. There was no gun. This was not a suicide,

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and they quickly could figure that out. Number one, there

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was no gun.

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But number two, when EMS was looking around for the gun,

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they saw just a few feet away that there was

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a bullet casing another one on the ground just some

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distance away. So someone had come in and shot this

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man on purpose. And as all of this is taking place,

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you know, he's dead. There's no coming back from this.

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EMS was going to start these resuscitative efforts, but he

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was beyond gone at this point, and so the shift

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now went from oh my god, you know, we have

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a man down, he needs help, to this guy's dead,

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but someone in this building is hiding a gun. That

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means we have an active shooter in this building and

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he hasn't been found. This is fricking scary. So immediately

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law enforcement placed the building on lockdown and everybody that

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was within the building was directed to go into this

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side room. There was like a student lounge, and so

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everyone that was inside was directed to go in there,

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but they were told, specifically, specifically by police and with purpose,

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everybody sit down at these tables, do not move, place

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your hands on top of the tables, and leave them there.

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None of the faculty or the students inside understood the

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entire situation in that moment necessarily, but they did as told.

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So as traumatic as this morning had started for all

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of them, you can imagine their shock when now a

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swat team entered the building and these poor people I

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can just see, you know, they're devastated, shock that they've

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just found their beloved instructor on the ground. Now they're

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sitting at tables, eyes wide, hands on top, and a

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SWAT team comes in, guns drawn, tactical gear, everything like, oh.

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My god, what is going on here?

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So unable to move and directed to stay put, they're

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all just sitting there looking at each other, going what

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the fuck is going on here? But the building was

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eventually cleared, so they were able to call off the

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active shooter response. It was the right thing to do,

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I will tell you that, because they didn't know who had.

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Shot this man.

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But eventually everyone that was there was they were search

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checked out. No gun was found on anyone within the building.

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That's when detectives came in, and now they had a

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lot of questions that needed answering. So students were outside

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in the parking lot. They were crying, shaken by everything

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that had taken place. The people that were inside were

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now released to go back outside, and word began to

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spread and assumptions of tragedy were now going to be confirmed,

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as crime scene tape was being rolled out by an

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officer around the building, from the street outside, around the building,

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around the cars parked nearby, and obviously inside. This was

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now a murder scene. So questions began with number one

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who was on campus that morning. Those students and faculty

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that were there that morning were extensively questioned and most

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of them, actually all of them echoed the same sentiment.

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Students were stunned. Everyone loved this chef, His students thought

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very highly of him. Those that were there that morning.

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In terms of the students and faculty, they were all

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ultimately cleared of anything to do with the shooting. But

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around ten thirty am that morning, an officer that was

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outside of the secured area notified detectives that Dan's wife

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was now on scene and she was looking for him.

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Apparently someone had called her about an incident they had

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seen on TV that happened at the school, and she

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had tried calling his phone, texting his phone. He wasn't answering,

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and so she got in the car and she drove

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up to the school. Now, his wife is this sweet

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looking little old lady, and having to break this news

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to her was just gut wrenching. So as detectives walked

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outside to speak with her, there stood a woman looking

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like everyone's grandmother. You know, she's got on her little

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sweater and if I have to give you something to

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focus on, you know, she looks like missus Claws. It's

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almost Christmas the time I'm recording this. She looks like

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missus Claws. It was pitiful to think about her heart

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being shattered in just moments. She and Dan had been

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married a long time and they were just each other's world,

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so they talked constantly. They depended on one another, and

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he jokingly was known for saying, let me check with

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management whenever decisions were to be made in life.

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They were a.

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Team and she was his keeper and his confidant. But

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she was about to be crushed. So meanwhile, inside the scene,

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it was being documented, and much of what was seen

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there actually did make sense. So Dan was a very

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methodical man, very routined and disciplined in his day. He

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always arrived to work about thirty minutes early. He would

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park his white truck on the corner near seventeenth Avenue,

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So the building sat on a.

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Corner of a block.

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So you know what I'm saying, there's two frontage sides

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to the building if you're on the roadway, and so

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he would park right there and then just outside where

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he would park the building for the employee entrance was

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right there and he would go straight in to that

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door and then he would opened the roll up door.

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But he was famous for leaving that roll up door

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open while he prepared for class. And this made detectives

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wonder if that was possibly the way that the killer

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had entered the building, because no one else saw a

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stranger in the building that morning through the main entryways.

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So looking about the building and in that area, there

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was a thick, gray plastic kitchen rolling cart, one of

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those huge rubber made industrial type carts, and on top

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of that, detectives located his glasses, his car keys, and

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there was a cup there with his drink in it,

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so it was very obvious. He opened that employee door,

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he set all his things down on that rolling cart,

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and he turned off the alarm to the building. Now,

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as far as the layout was concerned, the building was

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basically a huge square. But within this square, obviously there

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were a lot of rooms. There were three separate kitchens,

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different ones for specific levels of cooking and equipment, and

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then there were multiple classrooms. So if you didn't know

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the layout of the building, the reason I'm telling you this,

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if you didn't know the layout of the building, this

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wouldn't have been a quick and easy shooting. So let

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me explain, and I want you to envision this in

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your mind's eye from an aerial perspective. You're looking down

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at a square on the far right side. Midway of

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that square, that's where this employee door was that Dan

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entered through. Once inside, he then would turn right and

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he would go down a small hall which would lead

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directly to the storage room where that roll up door was.

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So that roll up door is on the same wall

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as that employee door, just further up the right side

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of the square. Now, the kitchen that Dan was standing

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in when he was shot was to the complete left

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side of the huge square of a building, so that

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means he was clear across the entire building. And I

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have photos on Patreon for you if you want to

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go see what I mean if you're having trouble envisioning this.

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But the shooter basically would have had to have gone

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down two separate halls, passing through or passing passed two

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different classrooms. There were two other kitchens to get where

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Dan was. And this wouldn't have been by accident, is

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my point. When you came in this building, you would

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not have accidentally come across Dan. This wouldn't have been

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just a randomized thing. A few knownes so far though,

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were that Dan was shot with a nine millimeter handgun.

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He turned off the school alarm at exactly seven twenty

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two am, but the nine to one one call was

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made at exactly eight twenty four am. Basically one whole

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hour had passed since the alarm was off, he was shot,

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and then the nine one one call was made, so

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00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.720
he lay there. My point is this, he lay there

473
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.960
for almost an hour before or even receiving CPR, and

474
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.680
he had basically been dead from the jump from the

475
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.480
time that the call was made. Some other firm findings

476
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.400
were that no one in the building heard a gun

477
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.000
shot let alone two. You would hear a nine millimeter

478
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.960
in a metal building, come on, you would hear that

479
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.079
go off. Other instructors were on campus as well at

480
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.359
the same time, so there was also some students too.

481
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.039
So instructors and students had gotten there just before eight am,

482
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.000
so even if they were outside the building, they would

483
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.519
have heard two gunshots go off. So this made the

484
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.160
shooting time frame even smaller. So police now felt that

485
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.680
Dan was shot within ten to fifteen minutes of turning

486
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.079
off the alarm, specifically between seven twenty two am and

487
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.519
seven thirty two am. This was their estimate of when

488
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.920
the shooting took place, and this also meant that someone

489
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:59.000
came in with direct purpose of murdering Chef Dan. So

490
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.039
was this a burglary or robbery gone bad? They also

491
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.200
needed to check this out well. Detectives decided that they

492
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.559
would quarter up the building and each detective searched. The

493
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.680
searched their quadrant for maximum coverage to locate any stolen

494
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.200
items from.

495
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:21.759
Throughout the campus. Well, nothing was stolen from the school. Nothing.

496
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.359
They even had a restaurant in this school. This was

497
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.440
pretty cool. They had a restaurant opened to the public

498
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.319
in this school, and so people could come in and

499
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.559
they could have, you know, get lunch or whatever, and

500
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.799
the kids would get a full experience of serving.

501
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.680
And cooking and all of that. Well, they kept money

502
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:39.720
on site. Nothing was taken from a register. No expensive,

503
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.279
you know, thousand dollars of equipment was taken. And when

504
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.880
Dan's body was searched, he still had his wallet on him.

505
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.720
It was in his front right pocket. He had cash

506
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.119
in it, he had credit cards in it. In one

507
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.839
of his pockets he had seventeen dollars and a pocket knife,

508
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.640
and the other one he had sixty dollars. And he

509
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.240
also had a little IOU note written handwritten on a

510
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.880
piece of paper in that pocket. So he had money

511
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.359
on him and nothing was taken from him. Robbery just

512
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.480
wasn't the case here. There was also no fight, there

513
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.240
was no struggle, none of that. It seemed he was

514
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.240
shot and he collapsed, So burglary and robbery were also

515
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.000
ruled out as motive. Dan never realized that an armed

516
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.839
murderer was approaching from behind him before he was attacked.

517
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.240
This was basic fact. Now here's another kicker. You might

518
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.839
not even believe this, but it's true. There were no

519
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:39.119
cameras in or on the outside of the building. None.

520
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.519
I mean, this isn't an old case, but there were

521
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.680
no cameras. There was no footage that police could review.

522
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.359
But the medical examiner's findings would support their theory of

523
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.519
what I just said. They believed happened because Dan had

524
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.480
been shot in the back first from about a I

525
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.559
guess two to three foot distance, don't quote me on that,

526
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.079
but it was close range. And what was believed to

527
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:05.200
have happened is while Dan was standing at the sink

528
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.640
filling the water jug for the students, he was facing

529
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.359
away from the shooter, and when the shooter walked up

530
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.839
and pulled the trigger, that bullet traveled into his back

531
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.559
and paralyzed him instantly as it traveled through his spine.

532
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.359
This caused him to collapse. He just dropped right then,

533
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.920
and he was unable to move or run away from

534
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.839
his assailant. And within seconds of his collapse, the killer

535
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:33.200
stepped forward and stood over him, pointing the gun down

536
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.759
at him. All Dan could do was look up at

537
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.519
his killer because he couldn't move. He was paralyzed and

538
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.880
that killer looked at him, pointed that same gun down

539
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.079
at his chest, and fired a shot straight into his

540
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.839
center chest, confirming that an execution would take place.

541
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:52.559
There was a.

542
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.119
Circular hole in the center front of his chest clearly

543
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:01.279
and an entrance wound. The shot that went into his

544
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.839
chest was likely the second shot. But that bullet traveled

545
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.279
through his heart, it pierced a piece of a lung,

546
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.960
and it partially exited through his back, But when they

547
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.759
rolled him over to look, the bullet was still lodged

548
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.200
there and it could be seen in the wound that

549
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.720
kind of busted open on the back, but the bullet

550
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.240
was still in it. Then on the back there was

551
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.039
another gunshot wound, which was probably the first shot he took,

552
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.200
and it was in Dan's center back as well. It

553
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.000
was a circular hole and clearly an entrance wound, So

554
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.240
the bullet traveled through his spinal cord. It also went

555
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.759
through his heart and ruptured his aorta before coming to

556
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.839
a stop via a partial exit in the front of

557
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.559
his chest. So basically what I'm telling you is there

558
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.119
was two holes in the front, two holes in the back,

559
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.400
one entrance wound of each, and a partial exit of

560
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.880
each with the bullet still in his body. Now, in total,

561
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.480
because of the massive destruction that was done internally to him,

562
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.559
there was a total of roughly two leaders of blood

563
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.000
that had just collected in his chest cavity, and two

564
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:14.640
leaders of blood.

565
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:15.160
By the way, that.

566
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.640
Accounts for roughly forty percent of what would have been

567
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.960
his total blood volume, not to mention the blood that

568
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.440
he was losing through the wounds that was going out

569
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.960
of his body. So this man suffered, maybe not for

570
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.200
an hour, but he suffered. And the ending of this

571
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.559
beloved man's life it took less than a minute to complete,

572
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.880
and it was done with absolute precision. So police now

573
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.319
had the daunting task of breaking the news to his wife, Nancy,

574
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.720
who you remember, it was waiting outside the taped off building.

575
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.519
She was still unaware that her husband was dead. So

576
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.640
police went outside and they took her aside from the

577
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.960
group to speak to her privately. They brought her into

578
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.279
I believe you would call it a mobile command center

579
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.079
that showed up, but basically a police SUV trailer type thing,

580
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.039
but they brought her in there. She was visibly shaken

581
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.160
and she knew something was wrong. I mean, you just

582
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.720
know these things and that's when the police broke the

583
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:18.640
news that it was Dan that was inside and Dan

584
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.240
was dead, and she just could not fathom it. She

585
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.200
just could not fathom it. He didn't have an enemy

586
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.920
in the world, her own words, he didn't hold a grudge,

587
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.480
he didn't bad mouth people. He lived such a simple

588
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:39.480
and wholesome life. Y'all can't be serious. You're not serious.

589
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.759
Right now, he's fine, he is not dead. This cannot be.

590
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.799
This isn't real. But they were serious.

591
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:49.920
It was real.

592
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.440
And Dan's body was still laying on the floor inside

593
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.640
the building being collected and photographed and bags being put

594
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:04.240
over his hand. So as she's processing this news, the

595
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:09.199
shock is just overwhelming. The new question detectives had was

596
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.159
if anyone was there that morning that may have already

597
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.559
left the building. Basically summing it up, was there a

598
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.760
disgruntled student who came shot the chef and then ran off.

599
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.320
So detectives went and grabbed the attendance logs of the school,

600
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.960
and any missing student that should have been there that

601
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.000
day or came and left was tracked down and they

602
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.840
were all interviewed again. Same thing. All of them said

603
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.480
they loved him, they thought he was great. One student

604
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.679
said that he was basically a father to this guy.

605
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.079
He was an encouraging and inviting instructor, so having hate

606
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.599
for him was almost unbelievable. They just couldn't understand this.

607
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.840
It did not fit. And after investigating all of them,

608
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.800
they too were all cleared. So if no one from

609
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.800
work was respon responsible for his murder, detectives would try

610
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.559
now to follow down any additional information that witnesses there

611
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.400
that morning may have seen, and this included that there

612
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.480
were some students who mentioned a dark suv parked in

613
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.039
the area right before the shooting, not only that that

614
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:22.920
same suv sped away quickly right after the time frame

615
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.320
believed that the shooting would have taken place. So investigators

616
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.119
obviously they wanted to track down this lead, but with

617
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.519
no cameras on the building, they didn't really have much

618
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:33.239
to go on, Like.

619
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.599
Where do you start. I don't even you know, you

620
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.639
don't even know what that dark suv make and model

621
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:38.000
would be.

622
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.159
So detectives kind of looked around the area, went and

623
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.760
spoke to some local businesses, and it was noted that

624
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.199
there was a car dealership nearby, so when the investigators

625
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.679
went there to kind of inquire about any possible dark

626
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.159
SUVs that they may have seen or whatever in the

627
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.000
area they struck gold. It turned out the dealership had

628
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.119
a fleet of cars, a lot of them dark cars

629
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.119
SUVs that were being moved in and out that morning.

630
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.920
So following up on the lead, this looked like it

631
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.320
was going to be a super hot one when a

632
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:16.320
worker admitted, yeah, I was driving these SUVs and yes

633
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.400
I did park a dark suv right there in that

634
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.960
area that morning. So further questioning of all of this, though,

635
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.719
would reveal something they weren't quite expecting. It was that

636
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.519
this was a common occurrence for this dealership because the

637
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:36.199
workers would shuffle cars around using that street for parking. So,

638
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:41.119
with no connection whatsoever to Dan or the school, detectives

639
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.440
really went through all of this, that lead was dead

640
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.920
before it even really got started. All right, So the

641
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.800
question comes, now, who is in Dan's life that may

642
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.559
want to hurt him? Was he known to be in

643
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.400
any way problematic to somebody? And everyone would say no,

644
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.840
But my answer is going to be, well, sorta. He

645
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:06.039
was actually now physically he was an unassuming man, he

646
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.920
was older, he was balding on top, he was almost

647
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.320
in a seventies, y'all. He had a mustache, these small

648
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.119
little beady eyes and glasses, and absolutely known to just

649
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:21.280
be a lovable person. However, no one's perfect, none of

650
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.400
us are perfect. And detectives found out that he had

651
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.440
been married before his current wife, Nancy. That's right, we

652
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.960
have an ex wife. And usually if you divorce someone,

653
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.559
it's because you can't get along with them. So, as

654
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.119
you all know, because you've been following true crime for

655
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.000
a long time, I'm sure this was of great interest

656
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.599
to these detectives. Who was this ex wife? What is

657
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.119
the deal here? Well, they were able to find her,

658
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.760
and her name was Pearla, which, by the way, just

659
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.960
off key here, but I think that is the cutest name, Pearla.

660
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.960
My dog's name is Delilah Pearl, so you know, like

661
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.159
the name pearl. But anyway, her name was Pearla Stillwater

662
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.559
and she was also the mother of Nathaniel, who was

663
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.880
Dan's son. So when they had gotten married, obviously they

664
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.039
had a son named Nathaniel, and that marriage had turned

665
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.840
out to be very tumultuous, and things got so bad

666
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.440
that Dan just one day got up and left. It

667
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.000
was so tense that he even I mean, he wasn't

668
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.400
able to be the dad he wanted to be during

669
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.880
the younger years of Nathaniel's life due to the severity

670
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.039
of all of the conflict. He was not even directly

671
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.159
involved in his son's life from the day he left

672
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.880
forward really until Nathaniel was in high school. Now, I

673
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.079
want you to know this, I'm not faulting him for that,

674
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.119
but I am telling you that the fighting and the

675
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:52.800
bickering was so intense that it just almost he just

676
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.000
he wasn't up for the fight. But time and distance

677
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.239
seemed to work their magic. Things seem to be calming

678
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.559
down between the ex spouses. Sure at this point, now

679
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.559
that Dan's been murdered, it had been twenty five years

680
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.440
since they divorced, and their son was now a full

681
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:15.000
grown man. But y'all, anybody can hold a grudge, shit

682
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.800
be mean to my kids. See if I forget that,

683
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.639
you know what I mean. So Pearla was brought in

684
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:26.000
for questioning, and she agreed that after the initial divorce proceedings,

685
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:30.880
things were really, really, really bad between them, but over time,

686
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.760
she said, Look, but we've softened our positions against one another.

687
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.360
We have been co parenting fine, Nathaniel's grown now. I mean,

688
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.320
things are much better. The hate that we had for

689
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.360
each other was real at first, but we according to Pearla,

690
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.480
she says, we were now in a healing phase in

691
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.880
our lives and that we just weren't each other's mortal

692
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.599
enemies anymore. We've grown, we've matured, We've gotten to a

693
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.920
better place. They weren't best friends, but they weren't haters

694
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.400
of each other. So when they were asked about their

695
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.960
current relationship today, right now, what is it like, her

696
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.440
answer was, I feel like it's rather decent considering. So

697
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.920
a great deal of questioning was done. They were looking

698
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.559
into an alibi that she gave and basically they were

699
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.920
able to verify everything that she said for the day

700
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.400
in question. Ex wife Perla was also now cleared from

701
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.280
being considered a suspect. So some days later, a vigil

702
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.719
was held in memory of Chef Dan and the school

703
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.920
really did put on a.

704
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.760
Beautiful event for him.

705
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:42.599
Students and faculty showed up and it was bittersweet, but

706
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:47.159
the event was so beautiful. They all took turns talking

707
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.440
about him and their favorite stories about him. Lots of

708
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.280
support and a very loving event and examples of his loveability.

709
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:56.000
This is so cute.

710
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.239
But he once dressed up as a cow, Okay, put

711
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.440
on a cow costume, and then he got up on

712
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.320
a table on all fours in this cow costume, and

713
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.760
he had velcrow all over the cowsuit. And he had

714
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.519
these labels and it had the cuts of meat on

715
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.239
them on the table and it had velcrow on it too,

716
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.239
And basically he's up on all fours on the table

717
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.360
and the students are going to pin the label on

718
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.480
the cow for what cut of meat. It was so

719
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.039
funny yet so effective for learning. And I have pictures

720
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.079
of him doing this, by the way. It's really funny.

721
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.079
So just beautiful stories of just the impact that he made.

722
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.760
And Nancy was there, his wife. She's smiling the best

723
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:42.400
she can through her tears, but just simply heartbroken. But

724
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.880
the show of support was so great, it was so

725
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.320
needed and it was very uplifting. Not only did this

726
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.480
school do the vigil for him publicly, but then they

727
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.559
also held another event later that week just for the

728
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:05.199
close family and friends and faculty. So eventually, as time progressed,

729
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.119
you'll understand this, but Nancy's sadness shifted into anger.

730
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.920
The phases of grief.

731
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.000
If you've ever been through grief before, you'll know it

732
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.880
hits us all differently and at different times. But I

733
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.280
can't blame her for this display of emotion. She was pissed.

734
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:25.920
Why weren't there cameras on this building? She even confronted

735
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.920
the president of the school with these questions. I mean,

736
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.880
in today's times, everyone has cameras, and with the tuition

737
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.519
costs being as high as they were, you should have

738
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.480
been able to afford cameras. So we have no suspects

739
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.679
and the police are nowhere closer to solving this. And

740
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.559
you understand this. She needed someone to blame, and so

741
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.880
right now there was no suspects. So the school was

742
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.000
the first one on her list, and she went after

743
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.760
them hard.

744
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:51.760
She was pissed.

745
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.440
Now this president of the school, Just so you know,

746
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.159
he wasn't a complete stranger to her. They didn't socialize

747
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.159
outside of school together much. I think over the last

748
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:06.559
you know, twenty something years, he had attended two events

749
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.280
that were actual event events with Nancy there. One of

750
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.239
them was Nancy and Dan's wedding in the nineties because

751
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.280
they all knew each other from another cooking school, so

752
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.719
he was at their wedding reception, and then he also

753
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.800
went to an open house in years past because they

754
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.159
had done a huge remodel after their home had caught

755
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.039
on fire, and so he went to kind of support

756
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.079
the home remodel. But they were not friends outside of school,

757
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.400
but they certainly knew each other from you know, history,

758
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.639
like I just told you, but also from work events.

759
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.960
Certainly because she would come up there, she would drop

760
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.199
off things for her husband, She would have launched there periodically,

761
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.920
and so her anger was just likely justified because she

762
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.039
expected her husband, who was dedicated to this school, to

763
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.400
be better protected, even if it was just by video. Okay, Well,

764
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.119
the truth was that there were a I don't want

765
00:43:58.119 --> 00:43:59.960
to say a lot, but there were plenty of no

766
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.039
own shady characters staying in and around that immediate area,

767
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.840
and this came to the attention of detectives. Homelessness was

768
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.639
a pretty big issue in that area, even the local

769
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.880
high school who was having an issue because the homeless

770
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.519
transients would often make up their camp under the bleachers

771
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:21.559
of the high school. We can all see how that

772
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.320
would be problematic, and so it was an absolute issue,

773
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.639
but people seemed to kind of tolerate it, although it

774
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:35.000
was annoying. So they even found out that the issue

775
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.440
had kind of progressed in and outside of the building

776
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.119
right by the school. They had found used needles outside

777
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.079
of the school in the bushes. They even had to

778
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.239
repair broken windows at the school courtesy of the homeless

779
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.679
folk in the area coming by and breaking their windows

780
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.360
and just being problematic. But Chef Dan, he had taken

781
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.639
it up as his cause to help those very people,

782
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.800
as I mentioned, but even more than the bake offf

783
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.679
sh as a favor to another friend who had a

784
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.800
restaurant down the way. He would cook twice a week

785
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.400
at that business and then they would feed the homeless,

786
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.400
so they knew him. He would hand deliver treats to them.

787
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.800
So then the question became, okay, well, did Chef Dan

788
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.239
maybe have a run in with one of those people

789
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.280
and they had come back for revenge. No one knew

790
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.079
of anything, but crazier has happened? Well that said, Oh,

791
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.960
student witness came forward and said, look, I saw a

792
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.480
homeless guy right there on campus that morning, and he

793
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:36.960
was digging in our recycling bin. And at one point

794
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.320
he even peeked around the corner like and looked at

795
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.920
me before he took off. So police wanted to know

796
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.320
more about this, But how do you track down a

797
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.079
guy with no known address nor any first or last name.

798
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:55.039
Description was homeless guy. Well, a local camera was found

799
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.280
on a pizza shop that would prove a very helpful

800
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.559
thing in that endeavor. So they pulled the tapes from

801
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.599
this security camera, and the police were in luck because

802
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.880
the cameras faced the road. Now, the shot was from

803
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.480
inside the pizza building, but you could see straight through

804
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.119
the building front windows. They had these big, big windows

805
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.159
on the front, so the shot was a little further

806
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.159
away than you would hope, but you could see clearly.

807
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.519
And when they were reviewing the tapes that morning of

808
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.480
the murder, a familiar face was recognized by investigators. The

809
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.320
same people tend to commit the same crimes over and

810
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.000
over again in our communities. I've said this over and

811
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.320
over again, the same twenty percent of the population are

812
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.440
committing one hundred percent of the crimes. And this person

813
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.760
that they recognized was none other than a local homeless

814
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:48.960
man named Oscar Taylor. In the video, he happens to

815
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.840
just saun her by in front of the pizza store

816
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.679
windows at the exact time they would have expected there

817
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.519
he was. Now, who was Oscar Taylor? He was a

818
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.639
blackmail I would get. He's in his late forties, early fifties,

819
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.239
and he was a known problem in the area. Historically speaking,

820
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.400
his criminal record was worrisome deboot. Okay, he had been

821
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.400
to prison before. He had fifteen felonies, but he was

822
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.719
definitely known as a thief and he had been in

823
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.920
trouble for it before. He was no stranger to police,

824
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.320
So was it possible that he had killed the chef? Well,

825
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.199
watching him for the brief time that he passed in

826
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:28.639
front of the camera, they noticed that he was pulling

827
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.440
a large blue can behind him. This was like a

828
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.000
large blue trash can on wheels. Well, he had taken

829
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.440
that because he was known to collect cans for money,

830
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:41.039
and that was kind of his hustle on the streets.

831
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.679
But this alone begged the question, how would he have

832
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.079
even had a gun if he had no money? And

833
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.800
then he's out collecting cans that morning. So they watched

834
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.480
it again and again and again as he went by,

835
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.760
and they also noticed he wasn't running. He wasn't like

836
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:00.480
running for his life for anything.

837
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.239
He was chill.

838
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.840
He was just walking about picking up random fines on

839
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.639
the roadway. Other cameras on other buildings in the area

840
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.960
showed him casually pulling that same can, and you can

841
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.480
see him peek into trash bins and just being what

842
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:19.639
you expect a homeless person to be. Everything considered, it

843
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.920
was far fetched to think that he would be involved.

844
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.480
He may have been a thief, but he certainly didn't

845
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.960
seem to have murder on his mind that morning. But

846
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.119
police followed up with it. But he too, would be

847
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.320
cleared of any involvement in this murder. He just happened

848
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:37.199
to be on camera at a really inconvenient time. But

849
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.639
in that same regard, police watched video until they were

850
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:46.000
blue in the face, but no one was seen speeding

851
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.840
from the area nor running. Hell, there wasn't even anybody

852
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.639
briskly walking in the area that morning that caught their

853
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.400
attention during the time of the murder. So there's little evidence,

854
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.880
no gun found, no witnesses, and only two bullet casings

855
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:07.079
as evidence. So police in this moment were really stumped

856
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.719
as to where to go next. They certainly weren't throwing

857
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.840
their hands up, but I mean, what the hell where

858
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.679
do they go with this? So they decided we need

859
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.800
to go back and speak with his wife, Nancy, and

860
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.039
let's see if we can figure out any small things

861
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.480
that might could drum up a new lead. So they

862
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.880
do this, and their relationship was a precious one. Dan

863
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.639
and Nancy had met because he was her instructor in

864
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.280
culinary school back in the nineties. That's where they had

865
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.440
first met. She was originally from Texas wichital Texas Whichita Falls,

866
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.320
Texas actually to be exact, and she had had dreams

867
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.000
when she was younger of becoming a caterer, and after

868
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.840
meeting Dan, she learned everything she could ever imagine to

869
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.760
make that dream a reality. He was a walking food

870
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.400
encyclopedia after all, so this was a match made in heaven.

871
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.960
And Dan was so passionate about food and creating food

872
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.920
sustainability for others. Catering wasn't a f far off branch

873
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.719
from that concept, and in relatively short time, not only

874
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.880
did their relationship take off, but Nancy would build a

875
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.440
successful catering business. And when I say successful, I want

876
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.840
y'all to know I'm serious. The annual gross income of

877
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.480
the catering business, from what I remember, don't quote me

878
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.679
on the number exactly, but it was like in the

879
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.159
tune of five hundred thousand dollars a year. She really

880
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.039
was making it. And as in most relationships, you know,

881
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.760
one's usually a dreamer and the other one's more practical.

882
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.000
That's my life. I'm the dreamer, my husband's the more

883
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.880
practical one. Well, Nancy seemed to be the dreamer of

884
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.599
the two. She was willing to take chances and just

885
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.440
leaps of faith, while Dan was much more meticulous. He

886
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.800
liked to think before he acted. He liked to do

887
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:50.039
research and make educated decisions on things. Dan was safe.

888
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.320
Dan was simple.

889
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:56.280
He grew spices. He took pictures with his chickens. I mean, hell, y'all.

890
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.480
The lock screen on his photo in the crime scene pictures,

891
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.000
the cell phone lock screen photo is him holding one

892
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.760
of his chickens, a red one. That tells me so

893
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.199
much about this man. Nothing about their lives jumped out

894
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:13.679
to detectives, but Nancy said, look, there had been other

895
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.199
school shootings in recent history, and it really had a

896
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:21.000
lot of the faculty and teachers alarmed. Horrible actions we

897
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.599
all know can inspire others to do horrible things if

898
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.840
they have evil on their mind. And Nancy was able

899
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.719
to give a little more insight on that. See, when

900
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.119
all these shootings happened, it really got them nervous, and

901
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:37.199
so the Brophies had gone and purchased a gun. Now,

902
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.559
anybody who knew them would have scoffed at this. If

903
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.440
you asked them, they would say, I don't believe that,

904
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:45.760
but it was true. Nancy confirmed it was true. And

905
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.079
since the gun used to shoot Dan was missing, police

906
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.199
wondered if possibly he had brought it to school with

907
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.280
him and then maybe been overpowered and shot with it,

908
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.800
and then the killer left with the gun. But Nancy

909
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.199
quickly dashed that theory and she said, no, that can't be.

910
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.320
That just can't be. And when they asked why, she said, well,

911
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.559
the gun that we bought is still at home. It's

912
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.119
never been used. And so police said, hey, Nancy, can

913
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.280
we go back to the house and see it. She said, absolutely,

914
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.960
no problem, and so they jumped in her van together

915
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.639
and they drove down to the house, and sure enough,

916
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.599
there it was. There was a zip tie still in

917
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.880
place around the trigger pool. It was right where she

918
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.079
said it would be. So every lead led to a

919
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:32.440
dead end. But someone had killed Dan. There had to

920
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.599
be answers somewhere anywhere. But there had to be answers.

921
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:41.159
So police kept talking to people, They kept asking questions,

922
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:46.599
They went back over surveillance tapes over and over and over,

923
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.360
and that would bring about a first, really really solid

924
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.559
lead that would raise eyebrows. Was it possible that a

925
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.840
simple scratch on a vehicle would bring this case to

926
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.599
humbling down around someone. Well, you're gonna have to wait

927
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:06.599
until next week for the conclusion, but it is so

928
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.760
deep I'm gonna need a whole ass episode to explain

929
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.679
it to you. Dan may have been a master chef,

930
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.119
but the police had something cooking too. A simmering romance

931
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.199
novel is going to take center stage and detectives are

932
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.480
about to serve up a killer on a platter.