The Spokane Serial Killer | Douglas Perry's Reign of Terror

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast. Or I tell stories of real

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crimes with real victims, whose cases
are so shocking that many are left wondering

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how is this even real? I
use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a
criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex

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cases of evil acts, some so
evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, Kelly Jennings

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here back for an other episode of
Unspeakable, and coming to you fresh out

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of the hospital because I pulled an
epic freak your students out and got a

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major migraine that dropped me down to
my knees and then I looked like I

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was having a stroke. My hands
drew up, and ambulance had to come

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get me. So, hey,
go big or go home. But y'all,

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I'm fine, It's okay. I'm
apparently just unable to handle the major

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migraines or whatever. But uh,
I'm getting better. And I said,

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hey, I still got a record
for my people, so here I am,

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and I wanted to tell y'all that
I was so thankful y'all shared my

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videos to win that merch and my
Cecilia won and she even sent me an

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unboxing video of what all the things
that she got from me, and so

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I'm going to post that online.
Y'all be looking for that. And I

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thought she did a really cute job. And her son, who did not

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want to say hello to me on
video, I'm saying hello to you,

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son, so what's up? But
I thought it was really cute that she

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did that. So I'm a post
at thanksgirl so much. I also want

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to tell you this. On December
second, I'm going to be a special

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guest at the North Park Christmas Fest
thing that they've got going on there.

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So if you want to come out
and say hello and get some merch in

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person, take some pictures, put
that on your calendar. I'll have more

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information that i'll release later, but
December second, that's where I'll be in

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Denim Springs at North Park. I'll
have a tent and all that good stuff.

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And also something cool that I'm doing
is Patreon members. This is going

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to be a special members only thing, but I'm going to have some new

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glasses that I'm posting for members only
that you can get for a limited time,

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So go look for that whenever you
hear this drop, and if it's

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not there when you go look,
it'll be there this week. So hanging

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there with me. I'm a busy
lady, right, But I've got some

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shout outs I want to do before
I get started on this episode, which

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is frickin Whack, And I love
this episode because it's there's some weird people

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out there and I found one of
them. So before I start, though,

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my new Vigilanti member, Ms.
Chassity Jennings. Hega, are we

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like cousins? Are you my cousin? Is that cousin Jenning's? I don't

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know, but hey, girl,
thank you so much for joining. I

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really appreciate it. I'm waving to
you in the camera. And then I

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also have a new Crime Family member, Miss Amy Owens. What up?

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Miss Amy? Thank y'all so much
for joining, and you're gonna have access

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to a whole lot of extras.
Also, oh my god, I just

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almost rip the microphone down. Jimithy, don't fire me. Damn did y'all

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hear that? Sorry about that?
Uh, I've been posting a whole lot

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more on patron because I want to
get people to go check it out on

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that site. They also have a
free membership. Now that's an opportunity for

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people who aren't in a position to
join as a paying member. But I'll

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have some free Uh there's some free
stuff that'll be on there that you don't

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have to be a paying a paying
member to look at. So go on

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there, go become a free member
if you want to. And it's limited.

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Now, it's not gonna have everything, but I'd love for you to

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join in on that. And you
can see I put some of the Angola

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Rodeo videos on there, and I've
got some more i'm gonna load to I'm

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just kind of this week was rough
for me, and I'm getting I'm kind

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of slow this week, but I'm
catching up. So this story, though,

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was one is one of the ones
that I found not very much kind

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of makes me go really, but
this one did, so that's why I

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wanted to share this one this week. But so this story is gonna begin

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in nineteen ninety in Spokene County,
Washington, and I'm gonna tell you some

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weird shit's gonna go down in this
episode. So this one isn't exactly small

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kid friendly, not that many of
them episodes are, but just to be

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fair, give you that warning before
we get into this one. This one,

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this one takes some twists and turns. Now. I know that morality

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has a place in society, okay, And I'm not gonna say that it

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doesn't obviously. You know, there's
certain ways that we as a collective believe

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that society should should go in the
way that we should act. But of

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anyone you may listen to in podcasting, you should know this, probably if

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you've picked up on it. But
I'm probably more on the conservative side of

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how I view the order of the
world. In that regard, I am

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guilty of feeling aggravated at people whose
lives, you know, they they live

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lives that don't necessarily coincide with the
acceptable norm, such as you know,

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drug addicts and prostitutes and strippers.
And I admit that, Okay, I'm

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guilty of feeling aggravated by those people
when you pull up at a red light

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and they're begging for money and I'm
just staring at him, going you just

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want to go buy dope, you
know, and listen I own that,

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all right, I absolutely own that. And I know someone's probably going,

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I thought you loved Jesus. I
do love Jesus. That doesn't mean I'm

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perfect. I get aggravated. However, I also believe that everyone matters,

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and I firmly stand I will stand
and die on that hill that everybody matters,

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regardless of you know, how they
live their lives. And I know

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my life isn't your life, and
that my experiences have molded me as your

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experiences have molded you. And so
many people reach out to me and tell

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me, oh my god, you
told this story, and I relate to

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this. You know, I was
abused as a child, or I was

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raped, or I was this or
that, and I'm thinking, God,

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I've never been through that. And
we're so you know, we're so so

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molded by the experiences that make us
who we are. That said, if

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we don't care about what happens to
the least of us, then eventually we're

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not going to care what happens to
any of us. And this case that

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I'm going to tell you about is
going to involve victims that may be considered

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on the bottom of the social totem
pole and I'm not saying that they don't

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matter. I'm just saying that as
a society, as a collective, we

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tend to look at them kind of
look down at the way that they live

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their lives. But they matter.
And that's why this case is so important.

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And it makes me even sadder when
I'm looking at their circumstances because I'm

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educated enough to know that situations are
not always black and white, and we

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all will eventually have that capacity to
fall. It just takes one thing to

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turn our lives upside down, and
people who are on top of the world

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today can be on the bottom and
at the lowest of the low tomorrow.

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None of us are above that,
and this to me means that we need

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to work even harder to solve these
cases. You know, people may turn

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their head and pretend that if you
live a life of low morality, that

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your life is somehow not as important
in that you may bear some culpability in

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your demise. Well maybe that's true
in some situations. Okay, you know

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you live by the sword, you
die by the sword. You know people

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you get killed during drug deals,
I'm guilty of going Well, if you

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play stupid games, you win stupid
prizes, right, But that doesn't mean

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that people are acceptable prey. You
know, it doesn't matter what you're doing

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in your lifetime. I don't believe
that you deserve to be prey to somebody

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else. These people still deserve to
live their lives and not have their life

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snuffed out by someone who thought them
unworthy. No one gets to make that

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choice for somebody else. So who
exactly are these people that I'm talking about?

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Well, I'm going to start with
twenty six year old Yolanda Sap.

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Now, like I said, Yolanda
was twenty six years old, and she

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was the mother to a very young
daughter that she named Natasha, and she

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also had a sister named Marika Marika
Sap. Now, I'm gonna be just

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completely honest with y'all. Okay,
there's no show or no what's the word

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I'm looking for. There's no cinematic
thing here where I'm not going to tell

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you the truth. I spent hours
looking for information on Yolanda, and then

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I realized this is part of the
story that has to be told. It

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pains me that my research didn't result
in more. It's sick that all I

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could find about Yolanda's sap was that
she was a prostitute who was found dead

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alongside the Spokane River on February twenty
second, nineteen ninety. I literally kicked

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back in my chair and I'm like, my god, I want to know

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who Yolanda was. And all the
media would tell me was she was a

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prostitute. Well, I'm sorry,
that's not all Yolanda was. That's not

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all that she could have been.
So who was she? Like? Tell

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me more, y'all? I went
everywhere online that I could think and could

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not find information about her. Isn't
there more to her? Where is the

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media's explanation of her other than her
quote unquote profession as a sex worker?

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You know? Is that all that
mattered in this story? And the answer

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is no. And I'm almost like
appalled. I didn't even know this woman,

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but that's all the media can tell
me about her. Well, no,

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that's to grab a headline, you
know. Oh, look at this

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immoral woman who ended up getting killed. But what No, And I can't

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allow that to be all that I
say about her. So I'm going to

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try my best to give her the
dignity that she deserves. And I did.

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I'm going to tell you I took
some liberties here, and I hope

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that you'll forgive me, but I
refuse to reduce her life to she was

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a prostitute. This is what I
do know. She was a mother who

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gave birth to a baby girl,
and she lovingly named her Natasha. And

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why that name. I don't know
why did she name her Natasha, but

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I want to maybe she just thought
it was a lovely name, or maybe

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she went to school with someone named
Natasha and that person touched her life,

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and she said, I'm gonna name
my daughter that. While I never knew

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her, okay, I know that
she was also a sister to Marika Sap

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and she was someone's beautiful daughter.
And I'm not just saying that this was

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a beautiful woman. She was on
hard times, no doubt, but she

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was a beautiful woman. I'm gonna
tell you I didn't know her, but

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I feel like she was just a
lost soul. And I did some what

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i'm gonna call forward research on her, and I think I'm accurate in this

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information. I'm gonna avoid names for
privacy reasons in case I'm not one hundred

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percent correct in how I displayed this, but this is what I saw.

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If she were alive today, I'm
pretty sure this is what Yolanda Sap would

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tell you about her life. Her
sister Marika, who still lives in Washington,

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and Yolando would have traveled to Paris
together this last summer. They would

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have been in awe of the artwork
that they saw together. She would have

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loved to spend time with her niece, a precious child with braids and colorful

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little beads in her hair. And
they would have cracked up, I'm telling

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you, cracked up at the picture
I saw of her niece passed out on

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an airplane, little headphones on right, just catch cutting some z's on that

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airplane as they traveled. And she
would have been so proud to know that

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her nephew graduated high school in twenty
twenty three. He's a tall young man,

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he's handsome, and his family he
made him so proud. And I

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can tell you this too, Her
daughter Natasha would make her smile ear to

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ear. Y'all, what an amazingly
beautiful woman that girl has become. And

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I'm not making this up. I
want you to understand this, just me

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doing some research online through the Facebook
Okay, yeah, I said the Facebook.

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How you like that? My daughter
cringes when I say that. And

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y'all her daughter grew up. She
has lovely almond eyes, and she's got

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lighter skin, she had long hair, and she has children. Yolanda boo,

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you're a grandma. You are a
grandma, Yolanda, And based on

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what I saw, you would have
snuggled those kiddos and laughed at what their

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mama, Your daughter, Natasha says, were diva tendencies about your grandchildren.

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But unfortunately, on February twenty first, nineteen ninety, Yolanda's life was ended

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by someone who was able to disappear
into the darkness, you know, a

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myth, a ghost, whatever you'd
want to call him, and he would

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deny her her life, and he
would deny her all that could have been.

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During the last evening of her life, It's presumed that Yolanda was out

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working the street with some of her
friends, and they were friends in that

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they all worked the area together looking
for John's, as they're called to make

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a buck, right. And I'm
sure most people know when I'm saying John's

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what I'm talking about. But John's
are the men that access prostitutes. But

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Yolanda would come across a man that
would take her up on her offer,

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but would turn violent and so violent
that she would end up dead murdered.

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He would get off first, though, for lack of a better term,

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and then he would treat Yolanda like
the peace of trash that he thought she

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was. The perpetrator would finish his
sex act with Yolanda and then not allow

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her to get dressed. You're going
to stay undressed. He would put a

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small caliber gun that he had hidden, and he would shoot her in the

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back. She would fall on impact, but she would die alone in that

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night and lying cold and still,
with nothing on except her jewelry. She

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would remain lying there until her body
was found the next day by the river

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beside her. The only thing to
be found was a floral blanket that was

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stained with the perpetrator's seamen. Now, Yolanda was tough and she fought with

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her attacker, which we know because
of what the coroner's report showed. She

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had scrapes all on her forehead,
and she even had them underneath her armpit.

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And I, y'all, I could
see this just when I was reading

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the report. I could see her
fighting for her life and trying to fend

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off this monster. And as she
turned right to turn away from him because

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she's scared, he swiped at her
and his nails were cut, you know,

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they cut underneath her armpit before he
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And upon further inspection, there wasn't
just one bullet hole in her, but

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three. She was shot three times
in her back with that small caliber weapon.

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Now, the medical examiner concluded that
the bullets entered Yolanda's back and they

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exited through her front side. And
I did some research on this, and

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y'all, I can't be one hundred
percent certain. I mean, I wasn't

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there, but I went and read
some articles written by people who survived similar

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gunshot wounds, whether they were in
war or One guy said that he was

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actually shot by stray bullets in his
house by an unknown assailant that was never

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caught. And based on what these
people wrote in their writings, it seemed

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very consistent to me that the victims
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and that averaged three to eight minutes. That means, Yolanda, Ya,

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you don't get shot like in the
movies, you just drop and it's over.

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You know, you suffer, You're
scared, you know what's happening to

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you. I bet her life flashed
before her eyes, and all of the

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poor choices that she made, she
wished she hadn't, but she couldn't fix

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that. The point is, she
suffered. She was good enough for sex,

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but not good enough to live afterwards, according to the actions of her

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killer. And she was also dumped
with no regard for decency, humility,

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or even a proper burial. He
thought of her as trash, and he

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proved that Natasha would suffer because she
would never fully develop any memories of her

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mother. She was just too young. She was robbed of her mama,

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y'all. And I don't care if
her mama had problems. I don't care

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if her mama struggled. You still
love your mama. And Natasha didn't get

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that. The days would pass,
and unfortunately, no one would be held

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accountable for the horrors experience by Yolanda
that night. Some are gonna chalk it

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up to, well, don't be
a prostitute if you don't want to be

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murdered. And you know, I
kind of thought thought about that because I've

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been guilty of that when I was
younger. Well, I mean, don't

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do that, it won't happen.
You know. It brings up that song,

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y'all, y'all remember that song,
then you might really know what it's

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like. Y'all Knowmber that song where
you know it talks about if you it's

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really easy to say that people get
shot and killed, but if you're the

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family left to look at them,
then you might really know what it's like.

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It's not that simple. Well,
it kind of made me think and

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wonder about, you know, how
we think about people and the choices that

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they make. And hell, I
don't want to be murdered either. But

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I'll be damned if the National Center
for Educational Statistics didn't just report, just

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report. From two thousand to twenty
twenty one, there were two hundred and

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seventy six casualties in active shooter incidences
at elementary and secondary school levels. So

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do I deserve to die? I
mean I chose this profession, you know,

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put yourself in someone else's shoes.
You don't deserve to die just because

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you're a prostitute. You know,
you matter Anyway, Roughly a month later,

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there would be another murder that was
eerily similar to Yolanda's. And even

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scarier to the murder is the proximity
that the two women had to each other

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because they were friends, they knew
each other. Yolanda and Nicki Lowe knew

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one another, and Nicki low would
be the next victim that would be found,

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and she'd be found next to the
same river that Yolanda was found.

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So on March twenty fifth, nineteen
ninety, thirty four year old Nicki Low's

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body was discovered at thirty two hundred
block of East South Riverton underneath the Green

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Street Bridge. Now no, right, now, you're like, wait a

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minute. Wasn't there a killer that
was killing women and dumping them? Yep,

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there was. This ain't gonna be
that guy, though, But who

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was Nicky? I'm glad you asked. I had the same problem learning about

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Nicki as I did Yolanda. And
it's just not right. I mean,

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this case has been covered for twenty
something years and we don't know who these

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women were other than sex workers.
Well, this is this is what I

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found on Nicki. Nicki was a
white woman in her thirties thirty four to

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be exact, and she had long
brown hair, and when looking at her,

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looking at her photos, her hair
kind of had that frizz, that

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bigness about it that you would expect
to see in movies from the late eighties

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early nineties. I call it the
woffa when I the woof a doo when

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I was younger, I would say, oh, she got a woofa.

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I don't know what that's about.
It made it up. And NICKI,

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like most sex workers, was also
a lost soul. She had a history

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of prostitution and drug abuse, and
her family is not widely publicized, but

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I did find where her family had
described her as a loving and kind woman.

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She was just troubled, and she
did have a sister. Her sister's

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name was Jackie Gibford, who she
spoke on her behalf and on behalf of

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the family, and she said that
her sister was a loving and kind person

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who had a huge heart for animals. And it kind of made me think

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about those people that you see down
and out walk in the streets and they

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don't have a pot to piss in
or a window to throw it out,

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they don't have food, they don't
have anything. They're filthy, but they

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got that dog and the dog has
dog food, you know, it's like

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they love the animal more than themselves. And she had received a certificate in

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dog grooming and her goal, according
to her sister, was she wanted to

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open a mobile dog grooming business.
And this is a quote from her sister.

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She said, she just got lost
along the way. NICKI had dreams,

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NICKI had goals. NICKI was lost, and unfortunately she just wouldn't be

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found until it was too late.
And this was sad to read to say

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that she was lost along way.
So many people get lost along the way,

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y'all, and their value is no
no less. Drug addiction touches most

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people's lives in one way or another, and unfortunately the outcomes are often similar.

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You just can't love someone into sobriety. And that's the beautiful thing about

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family to me, is that we
choose to carry the best of people with

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us. The media seems to miss
that that part of the story that's so

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important. Christy was kind. She
was just lost and being lost in an

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addict is what would lead her into
the hands of an animal who would take

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her life. She was last seen
on March twenty fourth in the East Sprague

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area of Spokane, and she would
never be seen alive again. Her body

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was found on the morning of March
twenty fifth, nineteen ninety under that Green

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Street bridge. And it just makes
me so angry as a woman. But

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she was purposefully position with her legs
up on the guardrail and her back on

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the ground, so her back was
laying flat. And then he picked up

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her legs and flipped them over a
guardrail, and her pants were purposefully positioned

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with it pulled down to her knees, with her you know, her genitals

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showing, and her top had been
pulled up, exposing her breasts and her

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stomach. She had marks and bruising
on the backside, which suggested that she

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had been drug and then positioned that
way on the guardrail. And I mean,

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I think about it, like the
one thing in life I don't want

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is my private part showing and my
stomach showing, you know, just as

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a woman. I've had babies,
i got stretch marks, I've got things

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I'm not you know, don't want
people to see. And he did that

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to her. She had a single
gunshot wound to her chest and the bullet

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was recovered. It was a twenty
two caliber bullet. And the medical examiner

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concluded from the tears and the bloodstains
on her clothing that she was normally clothed

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when she was shot, and that
means that, you know, he put

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her in this position to humiliate and
to degrade her. The markings and the

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bruising on her body occurred after her
pants had been pulled down and her top

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pulled up, So he made a
point to embarrass and humiliate her through this

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positioning, and he took his time, and he enjoyed every minute of it.

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They would later find a wallet that
contained her driver's license, but it

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was found in a dumpster on Sprague
Avenue, and after they found it,

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the police searched that whole dumpster and
they retained several other items that they were

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able to test. Now, remember, you know, this is the nineties,

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so the testing is not going to
be like it is today. But

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even better was a fingerprint was lifted
from a tube of lubricating jelly found in

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that same dumpster, and they were
able to get that print. Unfortunately,

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though, like I just said,
it's the nineties and science and technology have

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not advanced to where they are today. And Nikki is buried. No suspects

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are found and the days keep passing. We've lost two women and we have

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nobody to be held accountable for their
loss. But as you can imagine,

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the word is getting around in the
prostitution circles that there's a killer out there

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and he's targeting prostitutes in the area. But honestly, y'all, what are

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these girls gonna do? What are
they going to do? They're all poor,

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they're broke, and they're addicted.
Unfortunately, y'all, addiction it doesn't

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help to maintain fear when you are
dope sick. And if you've never learned

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about dope sick, learn about it. Just have an the ounce of humanity.

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Learn about it. It doesn't mean
it's right. It doesn't mean people

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should do drugs. It doesn't mean
we should feel sorry for people who actively

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go out and rob and steal and
thieve and do drugs. I'm not saying

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that, but I am saying the
human in me wants to understand what they

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go through. And any addict will
tell you that addiction is stronger than anything.

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I mean, hell, y'all,
people leave their families, they give

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up all sense of dignity, they
stop seeing their children, they lose their

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homes all over. This addiction it's
strong. It's so strong that they know

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someone's out there killing them and they
continue to get in cars with strangers.

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Think about that. So they keep
working the streets and they just hope they

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don't meet the same fate. But
this is exactly what thirty eight year old

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Kathy Brisboe was hoping too, and
unfortunately it would be the outcome she would

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find again. She was friends with
Yolanda and Nikki as well. She was

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hurting from their deaths too. She
was sad, she had no coping skills

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and she's an addict. She needed
dope. She kept working the streets.

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This is a direct quote I found. She had a real beautiful personality.

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According to her brother, Richard brisbo
I did some research and I can tell

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you that Kathy and her brother have
the same eyes, and that's why I

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know I was talking to her brother
whenever I reached out. Their eyes are

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very similar, and I want you
to know I did reach out to him

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for his thoughts on his sister,
But at the time of this recording,

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we hadn't made a complete connection yet. I do want you to know,

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if we do get further in our
conversations. I will certainly release any information

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he gives me about his sister because
I want to give her that justice and

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that dignity. Kathy had a sister
too. Her name is Deborah Bailey,

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and Deborah said that the first that
always pops up in her mind about her

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sister Kathy isn't her struggle with drugs. She says, it's actually the holidays,

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because the last time she saw her
sister was at Christmas time, and

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she said, we always had fun
at Christmas together. And she said that

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Kathy was worried and had even told
her brother that she was worried that something

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bad was going to happen to her. And she didn't know why necessarily because

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this was before you know, those
murders, but she just felt like something

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was going to happen to her.
But Kathy would not go down without a

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fight. And something that her brother, Richard said was I'm glad my sister

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was the little scrapper that she was. She went down, but she did

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not go down without a fight,
and I feel that, you know,

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at least she got to try her
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on nineteen ninety, Kathy would take
a john, and she would expect

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this to be a typical trick that
would you know, would turn for a

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buck. But unfortunately, this wouldn't
be the case for her. She would

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unknowingly get into the very car of
the very man that had already murdered two

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of her friends. And he's going
to do the same thing to her that

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he did to those women. He's
going to attack her after their sex act

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was complete, because by God,
she was good enough for him to have

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sex with, but he did not
feel she was good enough to live.

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And then this monster would strike her, and according to her autopsy, he

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would strike her at least eight times
in the head with a blunt object.

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And although that would be enough to
incapacitate anyone, he would go for the

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coupdi gras, right, his favorite
thing to do. He again, he

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pulled out that small caliber gun and
he shot her three separate times. Boom

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boom boom. But he spread the
wounds out time. He wanted that pain,

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and he wanted these wounds to be
spread out amongst her body. He

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raised the gun and he shot her
in the chest. I imagine her recoiling

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and fear and pain, and then
he moved that gun to her right,

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and he shot her again in the
right shoulder area. Again, that's not

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a kill shot, that's to hurt
someone. And then to finalize the depravity

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of all that he's done to her, I imagine her laid back now on

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the ground, crying, wanting to
live, wanting to see her brother and

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sister again. But he puts the
gun to her head and he puts a

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bullet in her brain. Every single
shot was completed at close range, in

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person and meant to hurt, maim, and ultimately kill her, and he

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succeeded. And then, as if
he had just completed a basic task like

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taking out the trash, he pushed
her body and she would fall four or

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five feet down an embankment, where
she would finally stop in her resting place,

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next to an embankment on that river, the same river that her two

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friends had been killed and dumped on. And if you're noticing, the violence

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seems to escalate, the pain and
the suffering seems to escalate with each murder.

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There's anger in this man. You
know. Her body would be found

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one day later, and that would
be on May fifteenth, so a forensic

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expert would be able to collect DNA
from the blood underneath her fingernail. One

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fingernail specifically had the DNA that they
would test, and they would also able

405
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:07.079
to get DNA from a vaginal swab. And then two bullet fragments were recovered

406
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.960
from her body during the autopsy.
And I'm sure this is gonna shock you,

407
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.400
but both of those fragments were from
a twenty two caliber bullet. So

408
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.839
Kathy would then be laid to rest
and still no one would be labeled as

409
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.519
a suspect. And I know that's
frustrating, But where would the police even

410
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:33.920
go about finding this john who did
his work in the night. He disappeared

411
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.920
hours before the bodies were even found. I mean, where do you even

412
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:45.640
begin to look? But time,
y'all, time is a major player in

413
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.680
this game. There's something that I
always tell my students when I'm discussing like

414
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.799
high speed chases or when people try
to run from the police, They're like,

415
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:53.960
yeah, man, they can get
away. I say, look,

416
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.599
y'all, you may be able to
get away from that officer, but you

417
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:01.039
can't outrun the radio. We got
to do is radio further down the road,

418
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.480
and we got you, my boy. Right, you can't outrun time,

419
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.559
because that radio is faster than that
time. It's the same concept here.

420
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.400
You can hide now, but you
can't outpay science. My guy,

421
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:22.519
science is coming and you can out
you cannot outpace it. So time is

422
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:28.640
also going to come into play when
roughly eight years would pass after these women

423
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:35.160
were murdered and a prostitute is going
to come to the police. Instead,

424
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.039
the police go into a prostitute.
This time. They get word from a

425
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:43.839
local prostitute that something weird happened and
she thought that she should make a report

426
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.400
about it. And let me tell
y'all something. Just because they live lives

427
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.119
that, don't, you know,
always mean that they are going doing a

428
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.640
nine to five like me and you. It doesn't mean that they don't have

429
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.599
contributing information that can help with crime. Hell, these ladies live in crime

430
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.519
world. They know some information that's
useful, and you can't always just discount

431
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:08.119
them just because they're prostitute, y'all. It's a strange yet complex dynamic.

432
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.599
Prostitutes taatee being arrested by the police, but they know the drill. They

433
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.759
know they're doing something illegal. They're
gonna try to get away with it,

434
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.880
but they know what's up. You
know, the National Library of Medicine found

435
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:27.359
that most studies reported lifetime drug use
among female sex workers thirty two studies from

436
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.279
twenty countries. And the reason I'm
telling you that is that these are addicts,

437
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.880
y'all. They're not evil people.
They're addicts, and regardless of that

438
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.960
addiction, they look out for one
another on the street. They talk to

439
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:45.079
the police at times when it could
help one another. And this is exactly

440
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.799
the case when this prostitute came forward. And the reason I just keep referring

441
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.519
to her as a prostitute is because
I don't have her name. But she

442
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.119
came forward and found it important enough
to report a concern to the police about

443
00:33:55.160 --> 00:34:00.720
a quote unquote date she just had
with a man on East Higher Avenue in

444
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:07.519
Spokane. She was used to dealing
with creepy men with wild fantasies behind,

445
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.800
you know, beyond their capacities,
but this one took the cake. She

446
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.960
would describe her encounter with this man
as and this is a direct quote,

447
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.800
the creepiest thing I have ever been
through in my life. And this is

448
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.840
a woman who sells sex for a
living. She went on to describe mannequins,

449
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:34.639
crossbows and weapons and strange things all
over his house. She said they

450
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.880
were everywhere, And when I was
reading that, I got the whole it

451
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.360
puts the lotion on its skin,
you know. I got that kind of

452
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:47.440
vibe from mannequins and all these weapons
from in her complaint and like, look,

453
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.280
don't get it twisted. This woman
was having sex with strangers for money

454
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:59.960
and she does hardcore drugs and it
still weirded her out being around this fella.

455
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.159
So she was waving the prostitute red
flag like high and mighty you even

456
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.000
I thought this was something wrong with
it. By the way, this is

457
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.480
a little side note, y'all have
a fish in my classroom. I hope

458
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.760
nobody at my work listens to this, and if you do, you better

459
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.159
not go share it because I will
deny it. But I have a fish

460
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:21.079
tank in my classroom and all the
fish are named after like crime related stuff,

461
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.920
and my sucker fish her name's prostitute, but we just call her toot.

462
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:32.480
She's a sucker fish. Just thoughted
share that anyway. So here's an

463
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.519
experienced girl on the wild side and
she does, you know, she describes

464
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:38.519
this man as creepy. So the
police say, you know what, maybe

465
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.320
we do need to take a closer
look at him? Now. Lucky for

466
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:47.039
them, guess what happens. They
don't have to do much groundwork because as

467
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:52.480
she is literally voicing her concern to
them, like making the report with them,

468
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.119
the man drives by, the prostitute
points him out. She goes,

469
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.119
look there he is right there,
that's him. The police officer jumps in

470
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:07.719
his car okay and stops the man, who would then be identified as Douglas

471
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:14.239
Perry, and during a pat down
for officer safety, of course, the

472
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:21.719
officer located two knives and a stun
gun on his person. Okay, my

473
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.239
guy, like, what in the
Civil War are you armed like this?

474
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.360
For? It's weird, Like,
why do you have a stun gun and

475
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.800
two knives like that? Seems like
a bunch, you know what I'm saying.

476
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.920
It's two different types of fighting too. But you know, this is

477
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.320
America. You can carry those things. It's not illegal. But they say,

478
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.199
well, can we search your vehicle? And he agreed, He said

479
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.679
sure, I consent to that.
And so when the officer went in and

480
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.760
he was, you know, checking
the car, the officer found some papers

481
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:53.440
explaining surgery procedures and some other like
kind of weird stuff in there, but

482
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:59.639
nothing illegal, So the officer didn't
have any any grounds to take action against

483
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:05.519
Perry other than that basic stop and
search. Now, something interesting to note,

484
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.599
though, is that Perry did have
a criminal record that listed various charges

485
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.559
dating back to nineteen seventy four,
including a reckless endangerment reckless endangerment charge in

486
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:21.800
nineteen eighty seven, but nothing that
would justify any further action on behalf of

487
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.760
the officer in that moment. And
this is where people always go, Man,

488
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.559
the officer, the police had him, Why didn't they do something?

489
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.760
What do you want him to do? Y'all? The constitution says you're allowed

490
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.679
to carry weapons. The constitution says
you can drive down the street. The

491
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.559
constitution says you can be weird as
fucking have mannequins and dolls and crossbows and

492
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:45.880
shit. There's nothing illegal to that. He's just a freaking weirdo. Now.

493
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:51.360
There was one prior arrest though,
that would be coming back to haunt

494
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:57.239
mister Perry really soon, because in
nineteen eighty eight, he was arrested for

495
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:04.000
possessing a pipe bomb. Right,
you can't be making pipe bombs, you

496
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.239
know, once you are not once
you're manufacturing something outside of the scope of

497
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.360
companies that make bombs for a living. I guess if you will for like

498
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.000
military purposes and all that, then
you're doing something that is illegal there.

499
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.960
And so this would lead to a
complaint to the ATF, which would in

500
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:27.239
turn cause them to go search Perry's
home, and during that search he was

501
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:32.760
found to have forty nine guns and
twenty thousand rounds of ammunition. Now,

502
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.639
normally I would say, so,
what you know, I'm a right to

503
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:42.079
bear arms kind of lady. However, this dude isn't a law abiding citizen,

504
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.119
and he obviously has some issues going
on with the way that he's living

505
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.039
his life. And a year later, in nineteen eighty nine, there was

506
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:58.400
also a charge for soliciting a prostitute. And this is going to prove important

507
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:04.920
in that it establishes he did in
fact access prostitutes. But again, more

508
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.360
time would pass, But in nineteen
ninety eight, Douglas Perry is going to

509
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.159
have another run in with the law
when a spoken police officer pulled him over

510
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.800
for a traffic stop at one thirty
in the morning, and during the questioning,

511
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:25.119
he would become indignant and angry,
and he would specifically become extremely hostile

512
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:30.800
during the stop whenever he was asked
about are you accessing prostitutes? Are you

513
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.519
out here trying to get a prostitute? And he denied that. He said,

514
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.800
I've never had involvement with a prostitute. And during a pat down again

515
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:44.079
for officer safety, he once again
was carrying a knife and he had a

516
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.559
stun gun on his belt. Hopefully, you're starting to wonder why someone would

517
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.119
need both. I know you can, just you can, Okay, I

518
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.679
know you can, just because,
but why, Like, it's weird.

519
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.920
You know, if you pulled a
knife, then you don't need a stun

520
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.440
gun, And why would you pull
a stun gun if you have a knife.

521
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.280
It just it makes me wonder.
And it's one of those things where

522
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.239
people are like, well, you
don't you know, that's not any of

523
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:08.519
your business, blah blah blah.
Okay, maybe it's not my business,

524
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:14.559
but it sure as hell's weird.
It's a weird combo. And in the

525
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:19.719
late nineties, Perry would have spent
eighteen months in jail after he was pulled

526
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:24.800
over in Oregon's Red Light District with
a gun and a knife. Okay,

527
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.440
so this guy is always armed,
he's getting pulled over, he's accessing these

528
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:34.159
prostitute areas. And while he was
serving his sentence for this, guess what

529
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.079
Perry did. He allegedly started telling
his cellmates about the fact that he likes

530
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.679
to kill prostitutes. Okay, and
this is what we and the BIZ call

531
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.480
a fucking clue. Something's going on
with this guy. But you know,

532
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.639
as you can see, there's a
lot pointing towards his involvement in these murders.

533
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.719
But you know, police just hadn't
put all these pieces of this puzzle

534
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:59.039
together yet. This is me armchair
quarterbacking everything in a nice package for you

535
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.159
and laying it out. At the
time, they didn't have all this connectedness.

536
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.559
Fast forward though, to twenty twelve
and that old pesky ATF would again

537
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:15.559
be back at Douglas's home on weapons
violations complaints. And during that search,

538
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.840
again at the Eastpire East Empire Avenue, the ATF and local law enforcement officials

539
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:28.920
confiscated twelve more firearms and a significant
amount of ammunition. And among those firearms

540
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:35.880
confiscated was another Ruger ten twenty two, a twenty two caliber rifle, and

541
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.239
Perry was taken into federal custody.
Now, even though that was a rifle

542
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.199
that was taken, it's important to
note this because if you're not familiar,

543
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.239
I want to explain it to you
real quick. This would matter because even

544
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:52.440
though the three women that were killed
at close range, meaning to me a

545
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:53.719
pistol was used. I mean,
how the hell would he hide a rifle

546
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.599
right whenever he's raping these women.
I mean, I guess you could shove

547
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.000
a rifle up your ash. You're
gona hurt yourse, You're gonna hurt yourself

548
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.920
pretty bad, right, But I
don't think it's a rifle. He had

549
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.840
a pistol. Well, the twenty
two AMMO can be shot from a rifle

550
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:15.760
or a handgun, so it matters. This means that he had the AMMO

551
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:21.039
for the caliber weapon that was used
to kill the women. That means he

552
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.760
wasn't unfamiliar with it. All of
the firearms that were confiscated from Perry's house

553
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.760
in twenty twelve proved to have been
manufactured in nineteen ninety seven or later.

554
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.119
Remember though these women were killed in
nineteen ninety that's the firearms, right.

555
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.760
That means that the weapons weren't even
manufactured when these women were killed, but

556
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.400
he still had ammunition. Now,
where had these weapons come from? And

557
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.719
how did Perry acquire them? Which
this was kind of strange too. A

558
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.760
firearm trace of those twenty two caliber
rifles that were confiscated from his homes in

559
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.519
both nineteen ninety four and two.
Well, so both times that the ATF

560
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:08.199
went, they determined that their retail
purchasers had been two brothers, not Perry.

561
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.639
Their names were Bruce and Mark Massingale. So police are like, hm,

562
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.079
we need to go talk to these
Massingale brothers, and so they were

563
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.400
interviewed and both of them said readily, yeah, we're friends of Perry's.

564
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:28.039
And Bruce even says, yeah,
Douglass, Perry lived with me for some

565
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.280
time. Further questioning, though,
would uncover that Perry had lived with a

566
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:38.960
woman named clare Anne Galloway in nineteen
ninety but then she just randomly left Spokane

567
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:44.159
and her whereabouts at that point were
unknown. Law enforcement would eventually be able

568
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.719
to track down miss Galloway, but
they would learn that she was in Los

569
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.559
Angeles, and when they went to
go talk to her, they found that

570
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:58.039
she was severely suffering from mental illness
and that she had become a ward of

571
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.440
a guardian, meaning that the state
says, you can't take care of yourself,

572
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.599
we're gonna put someone else, you
know, kind of like the Britney

573
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.920
Spears name going on, but this
wasn't Brittany. So, but she had

574
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.960
a guardian and when the police went
to that guardian, the guardian said not

575
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.880
no, but hell no, you're
not interview interviewing her. So the officers

576
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.119
noted this, but they went to
Los Angeles PD and said, look,

577
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.719
if we if she's ever taken out
of that guardianship and it's terment, you

578
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:28.039
know that that contract is terminated,
we want to interview her. But as

579
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:32.599
luck would have it, the police
were eventually notified that's not gonna happen because

580
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.679
miss Galloway she died. So it
was like, right as they got on

581
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.960
this trail, a witness kills over
but they're not easily deterred. And an

582
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.840
investigation of Miss Galloway's background revealed that
she herself had been a prostitute. Makes

583
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.400
sense, right, Mental illness,
drug abuse, all of those things run

584
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.960
rampant amongst prostitutes. Not only that, but she was also a friend of

585
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.480
Yolanda, Kathy and Nikki, all
three of the victims that had been murdered

586
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.000
and dumped. So the police did
I even further dive into her criminal record,

587
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.280
and they were able to produce four
photographs that had been taken when she

588
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.400
was booked into the Spokane County jail. And the timeline, y'all, is

589
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.199
pretty interesting because there was two of
them that were taken specifically, one of

590
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.239
them on February twenty first and one
of them on March fifteenth. And you're

591
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.159
like, okay, well, what
does that matter. Well, one was

592
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:35.079
taken the day before Yolanda's body was
found, and one was taken the day

593
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:40.400
Kathy's body was found. So they
thought, hmm, he's friends with all

594
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:46.559
these or he's friends with this prostitute
woman who has mental illness, and then

595
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.440
these three women who were friends with
her as well end up dead. There's

596
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.400
got to be a link. There
is. There's no coincidences in law enforcement.

597
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.559
I don't think there are. So
Mark Massingale, remember he was one

598
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.320
of the brothers who purchased the guns, remembered something he remembered that Miss Galloway

599
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:09.320
kept getting arrested, and when she
would get arrested, Douglas Perry would always

600
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:15.679
somehow find the money to bail her
out, and that was crazy because y'all,

601
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.320
he was unemployed and he lived on
Social Security. How was he affording

602
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.840
this Because bail's not cheap and this
is in the nineties, he doesn't have

603
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:31.280
the money. This led police to
develop a theory, and their theory was

604
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:38.880
that they thought Perry was robbing the
women in an effort to obtain bail money

605
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:45.920
to get Galloway out of jail.
That's why they were dying when she was

606
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:51.800
arrested. You remember how I keeps
saying that twenty percent of the population is

607
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producing one hundred percent of the crime. Well, babies, here we go.

608
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.920
It's like laying out like button right
now. You can see it all

609
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.719
right now, listen, I'm gonna
stop here, but I promise you I'm

610
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.840
going to conclude this episode in part
two. But shit is about to get

611
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:14.039
wild. I'm telling you this is
not like some promo. I'm telling you.

612
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.840
You're gonna be like, what in
the hell You're gonna wtf init next

613
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.800
episode? Okay, but I had
to give you all this backstory. Just

614
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.639
trust me. Yes, there's gonna
be a part two, but I have

615
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.360
a lot more that I want to
tell you. And you do not want

616
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:30.079
me to skip it. I promise
you don't. We have psychology and biology

617
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:31.880
and a whole bunch of like I
said, WTF come in your way in

618
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.239
Part two. Obviously, people will
have their opinions and everyone will not agree

619
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.119
on everything that's coming your way.
But I can tell you this with complete

620
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.159
confidence. There may be two sides
to every story, but you, mister

621
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Perry, are a fucking douchebag in
both of them,