Undeniable Hate

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
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for another episode of Unspeakable? What
is going on? Listen? I gotta

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tell y'all something. I have officially
made it big and I want to share

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it with everybody because I just y'all
are the reason. Actually, I think

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my big mouth is the reason.
But did you know Mama is now on

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Reddit? That's right. Someone brought
it to my attention that there is a

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shit talking thread about me on Reddit
and I am so proud and I am

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so touched. I feel like I
have made it and I went and read

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about myself and listen, I think
being self aware is so important and so

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I just need to share with the
masses that I have been educated about myself,

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and I am five foot four,
one hundred and thirty pounds of mean

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and callous and cringey and evil raw, So I mean, I guess.

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I guess. Look out, guys, because I'm mean. God forbid,

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we hold people accountable for their action, right, I'm mean to these killers

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today. I'm so sorry if I
have scared the killers of America by repeating

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what they did. God bless America
anyway. So look, I'm so glad

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y'all are here to listen. I
got a pretty good one for you today.

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I have some shout outs I want
to do, though. First,

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all the way from Tampa, Florida
is Miss Stacey Cunningham. High Stacy,

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thank you so much for tuning in, as well as from Palm Harbor,

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Florida, Miss Athena Santos, Thank
you, ladies so much for joining my

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family. I really really appreciate having
you there, as well as Miss Barbara

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Vale from Apple Valley, California.
I got some California going on lately,

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y'all, I'm loving it. I've
also got from Oakland, California, Miss

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Vanessa. Now, I don't want
to mess this up. Vanessa, I

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think it's Zagaroli Zagaroli, Vanessa Zagaroli, Vizag. I don't know, girl,

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I hope I said that right.
But I want to give you my

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ultimate shout out, hey, all
the way to California, right from right

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here in Louisiana. I hope y'all
are doing great. And then last,

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but certainly not least this go around
is miss Angela Erdman from Michigan City,

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Indiana. Hey, girl, thank
y'all so much. We got the ladies

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in the house joining my crime family
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But today we're gonna jump in on
an episode that took place on April

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twenty ninth, nineteen ninety and this
is gonna involve a twenty year old guy.

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I don't know, twenty years old. It's kind of weird. Some

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people say man, and then some
people say young man. But I'm just

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gonna say a twenty year old guy
by the name of Robert Schaeffer. And

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he was born and raised in Kansas. August nineteenth, nineteen seventy was his

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date of And this was a pretty
big family too, he says. It

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was a Catholic family and a military
family. His dad was in the army.

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But he was the ninth of eleven
children. He was the sixth boy,

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born of six boys, and his
father died in August of nineteen seventy

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seven. And so his whole thing
was that when his dad died, it

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really changed the dynamic of the family. I guess the guy who ran the

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show and kind of kept people in
line, you know, with him gone,

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things just really began to spiral and
go downhill. Not to mention,

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his mother was now a single mother
of a ton of children. I think

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once you get to eleven children,
I guess that's a gaggle of children.

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That is a ton of kids.
And God bless women who are single mothers

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of multiple children, because it's difficult. I don't know, actually, but

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I know it's got to be because
even though I have a spouse, holy

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crap, Batman, to have that
many kids and take care of them on

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your own. But by the age
of twelve, Robert admits, look,

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he got to do basically whatever he
wanted, whenever he wanted. His mother

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was kind of lacking an attention of
the children. Her parenting I guess you

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would describe as poor, and so
he kind of did what he wanted,

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including getting into petty theft and other
you know, juvenile considered offenses. But

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something that was crazy to me was
that, going back to when he was

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nine years old, he was already
doing drugs and drinking alcohol at nine years

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old. That was mind blowing.
I mean, at nine years old,

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I don't even think I had ever
heard of drugs. I'm not even kidding

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you. I mean, I went
to produde school when I was in elementary,

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but I don't even think we even
tackled that topic yet. You know,

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I know things were different back in
the gap, but he was even

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bringing alcohol to school, and he
was keeping it in bottles and he was

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taking SIPs of it while he was
on the playground. But he always got

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away with it because he quote unquote
looked like a good kid, and that's

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something to really pay attention to.
I guess, you know, just because

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someone looks the part doesn't mean they're
actually playing the part. And then people

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also felt sorry for him because his
dad had died, and so it just

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kind of gave him a pass maybe
when he was a kid who shouldn't have

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been given a pass. And this
would catch up with him because then in

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his teen years, he really started
upping the ante. And by up in

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the ante, I mean he wasn't
just misbehaving. Now, he started really

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testing those legal boundaries, right.
He started doing things that now I mean

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you're looking at jail time, even
maybe prison time. And at one point

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he decided that he was gonna go
and he was gonna steal a car,

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right, and he stole this car
from a girl that he knew. But

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amazingly, nothing happened to him.
He went through the court process and they

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kind of just gave him a little
slap on the wrist and he went about

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his business and considering nothing happened to
him, he took that as I guess

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what anyone else would, Well,
I guess I'll just keep on keeping on.

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And then he did it again.
He stole someone else's car. So

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the courts were like, okay,
well you've done it once, you know,

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shame on you, thy shame on
us. And so they go ahead

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and they sentence him to prison.
But guess what, like it happens much

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too often, all he got was
probation. They sentenced him to prison,

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but they suspended that sentence and said, we're gonna have some probationary you know,

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rules in place, and we think
we're gonna give you another chance.

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And someone who actually saw him in
court described him this way. They said

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he was a good looking kid until
he opened his mouth, and then he

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obviously was a cocky bastard. And
I kind of was like, huh,

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it's pretty decent description, right.
It kind of tells you what you were

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dealing with once you got into the
courtroom. And guys, only three months

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later is when this story is gonna
take place. So if that's not a

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cautionary tale of people need consequences and
they need to actually face the consequences of

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their poor decision making, I don't
know what will be. But before I

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get into that story, I want
to tell you a little bit more about

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Robert Schaeffer. You know, he
had a friend that his name was David

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Steinmeyer. Now there was an age
difference between them that apparently didn't seem to

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be a big deal anywhere else that
I looked it up. But to me,

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it was kind of an odd pairing
because David Steinmeyer was sixteen years old.

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He was a teenager, like a
high school teenager, and Robert at

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the time was nineteen turning twenty.
And I remember being twenty years old and

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I wasn't hanging out with sixteen year
olds. It's just a big gap to

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me in emotional maturity and kind of
what you're into. But that said,

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as is usually the case, people
of similar lifetyle lifestyles do tend to hang

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out together, right. They go
hand in hand, birds of a feather

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flock together, as the saying goes. So it almost I guess in that

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sense, I could understand this friendship
because both of these guys, you know,

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they hadn't been lifelong friends or anything
like that. Matter of fact,

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they had only become really tight in
about four weeks prior to this sea curious

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case going down, but they had
you know, they enjoy living lives that

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were on the edge, and they
spent most of their time drinking, smoking

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meth, you know, snorting cocaine, and partying and lack of supervision.

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So I guess just from experience and
in law enforcement, it's weird how you

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will see people that are older in
age. It's almost like arrested development almost,

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and they will be hanging out with
people that are like it's like,

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why are you hanging out with someone
so young? But when all you have

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in common is drinking and drugs and
partying and no responsibility and no reflection on

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what the rules should be, it
makes sense that they would be hanging out.

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So it's April twenty ninth, nineteen
nineteen, and it's about ten thirty

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in the morning and Robert lo and
Behold goes and gets fired from his job.

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Now this seems to be kind of
a trend of Robert because Robert does

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what what he wants when he wants. So he gets fired and he goes

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back home. So he calls that
David Steinmeier and asks him, Hey,

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you want to come over and the
two of us can get high together,

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And David obliges, yeah, boh, I'll be there. Let's get high.

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Let's go to our thing, and
so they did that from about ten

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thirty from the time he called him. David showed up at eleven and from

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eleven till about one thirty in the
afternoon, along with Robert's sister Francine and

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another friend. They got high and
did what what addicts do. And it

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was during that time, as they're
smoking and drinking and doing what they're doing,

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that David and Robert really started talking
about robbing people. Now this is

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where I think people say I'm mean. I'm mean, y'all, because I'm

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going to say this, but I
don't think that doing drugs automatically brings up

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robbery as a discussion, or drinking
brings up robbery, because I've drank before

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in my life. I'm from Louisiana, y'all. To we're a drink in

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town with a football problem. But
never once, even when I'm in Toxica,

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do I say, hmm, let's
go rob people. I think it's

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a reflection of their life up to
that point. And if that makes me

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mean, so be it. But
not only were they talking about robbing people,

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but they were specifically talking about targeting
and robbing homosexual people and how much

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they wanted to beat them up.
That is totally not something I can identify

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with. I've never thought about targeting
someone because of who they love or who

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they want to have sex with like
that is not an indicator of how I

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want to treat people based on that. But according to Robert, even though

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they were talking about this, he
says, oh, well, I was

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just more of a talker about dangerous
crime, but I wasn't much of a

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doer up to that point. And
whether that's true or not, David was

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a doer, according to Robert,
so he had a liking of robbing people

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and as friends would do, Robert
says that David said, hey, man,

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maybe we should go hit a lick
together, as they call it hitting

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a lick in essence, let's go
rob somebody, and that's when Robert claims

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he agreed, and he was just
going to go along with it for the

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ride and really for the thrill of
it, and I guess for some monetary

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game. I'm not inclined to believe
that he's already living this risky lifestyle and

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making dangerous decisions with his life,
as well as already willing to steal not

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one car, but two cars,
face prison time and get away with it.

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I'm not inclined to believe that and
then say he's not a doer.

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But that's Robert's interpretation of himself.
And per his own admission, y'all,

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he stole the cars and never got
in trouble for it. He just wasn't

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a choir boy. But again,
this is his description of himself. I

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just don't buy it either way.
The plan was just to go commit a

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robbery, according to Robert, And
around one point thirty pm, David and

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Robert went behind the apartments where they
were hanging out, and they said,

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look, we're gonna go play a
game of softball, baseball whatever with some

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friends. And so the group of
friends continued to get high and to drink

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and they're playing ball, and you
know, between the plays and between batting

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and sitting down and going out and
playing, David and Robert continued to mull

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over the idea of performing this robbery. It's not like it was spur of

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the moment and they just, you
know, happened to see some guy that

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looked like he had money. They
talked about this for a long time.

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They scheduled it throughout the day to
have these discussion, and that idea,

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though, was gonna have to wait. They couldn't go rob someone right now,

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because at about four forty five that
evening, David had to leave because

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David had a little job that he
went to. And with David now gone,

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Robert said, okay, well,
I'm gonna go back home. He

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took a shower, he plopped down
on his couch, and he got stoned

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some more. He just continued to
do drugs until the teenager got off of

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work and they could meet back up, which would have been about seven thirty

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that evening. So Robert headed down
to Hearty's, which is where David was

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at on North ninety, to talk
to him. And what were they talking

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about. Well, I don't know
exactly the contents of their discussion, but

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I'm assuming it has to do more
with a robbery. And they said,

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okay, well, we're gonna have
to wait because David doesn't get off until

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eight o'clock. So, as planned, David got off of work, he

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went back to the house, he
changed from his work clothes, and he

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ended up putting on some of Robert's
clothes that he had at his house,

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and they continued their talk about how
they were going to pull off this robbery.

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And Robert eventually would go into his
sister's bedroom where she had a twenty

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two revolver, but she kept it
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or anything. So he went and
he acquired that weapon. And then he

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specifically says he got five twenty two
shells from the kitchen where they were stored.

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Now there, he put those in
his pocket, and he put that

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gun into his waistband. Again,
per his own admission, I don't believe

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for one second that this guy was
not a doer, because I don't know

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people, young people that go grab
a gun and stick it in their waistband

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if they're not a doer, Like, why would you go get the gun?

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You know? But around eight forty
five, David and Robert left the

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house to begin hunting for their victim, and so their method of travel would

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have been by foot because they didn't
have car, and so they walked the

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distance to a place called Blanchet Landing. Now, while on their walk to

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commit this crime, they even stopped
and talked to a couple of Saint Charles

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County Sheriff's deputies who kind of told
them to kick bricks and to keep moving,

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don't loiter, you know, y'all
need to keep going. And they

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said, okay, no problem,
but not necessarily because someone of authority told

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them to, but because they hadn't
yet reached their destination of Blanchette's you know

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landing. Now, why this specific
place? I wondered about that, like,

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why would they go to that place
specifically, and why did they have

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it in mind? So I did
a little bit of research on that,

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and it turns out this was not
a short walk. I mean, it

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was a rather long one, and
it was because it is a known spot

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or it was at the time for
homosexuals to hang out. It was like

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the known place to go. And
this is where I want to stop and

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take a second to say premeditation is
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as to me, the makings of
a hate crime. You're going to commit

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a felony, You're going to rob
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That, I mean, it fits
the bill right of why you would

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do this to these certain people,
and to define it for you. A

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hate crime is one typically involving violence
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of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or some type of grounds that are

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similar to that. And they have
been very clear to this point that they're

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wanting to target gay people in this
robbery. And a little perspective here.

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I wanted to look this up to
see how common, how common is this

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that someone would have such targeting of
someone in this manner, and so just

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to give you a little perspective,
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics,

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in twenty nineteen, there was one
violent hate crime victimization per one thousand persons

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aged twelve are older. One in
one thousand was labeled a hate crime,

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and I thought, wow, what
one's too many? But one in a

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thousand man And then from twenty fifteen
to twenty nineteen, nearly two thirds sixty

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two percent of hate crimes that were
victimis you know, hate crime victimizations were

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simple assaults. So this is even
worse than that. I mean, a

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robbery is worse than a simple assault. You know, you like punch somebody

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or something. I mean, they're
going to rob these people. They brought

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a gun, They're going to put
it in someone's face. That's their plan,

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all because they want to take something
that's not theirs. They want the

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thrill of it, and to terrorize
people who are gay. I just don't

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understand it. It does not as
mean as I am. According to Reddit,

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I don't get that. I'll never
get it. I don't understand it.

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And some other highlights during twenty seventeen
to twenty twenty so a little bit

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more recent, the rate of violent
victimization of specifically gay persons forty three and

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a half victimizations per one thousand persons
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That's nearly two times the rate for
straight people. So there's something there

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to hate somebody. I just I
don't hate people like that. So crimes

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against people based on their sexuality is
a thing, for sure, and I

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don't get it. But who cares? Right? Who cares if you're gay

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or not? I just I'm more
along the lines of be nice to me

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and I'll be nice to you.
It's really that simple. But to identify

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someone to hurt because of who they
like is absurd to me. But move

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in on. Something else that's interesting
about this targeting of gay people is the

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fact that Schaeffer himself, Okay,
we're gonna have to go back to Shaeffer's

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young teen years. Schaeffer himself,
Robert, he used to frequent homosexual men

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as a kid. And we know
this because his best friend did it too,

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not David, his best friend when
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I guess i'll call it a brothel, I don't know, but they had

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this area where these gay men would
frequent and Robert and his friend they would

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go perform oral sex and other sexual
you know, pleasures of these men and

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then the men would pay them for
them. And so then they would turn

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around and they would use that money
to go get pizza, they would go

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play games and do things that kids
do. But they were they were going

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to that brothel to make the money. They weren't kidnapped, they weren't stand

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by real quick. They were children. And I don't want to ever discount

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that these were absolute children that did
this. And I know that there's so

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much more involved off that would be
a whole different podcast though, But I'm

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just trying to say they weren't kidnapped, or it wasn't someone in their home

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that was forcing them to go do
this. They would go seek out the

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brothel to do the sex acts to
get the money to pay for whatever they

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wanted to have money for, and
they were very both, very clear that

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this was all about making money for
themselves when they were young. So you

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could say, Okay, was it
poverty? You know, I don't have

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an answer for you, but could
this possibly play into his targeting and hatred

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of gay men? One hundred percent. One hundred percent of possibility. And

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I'm not going to ignore that or
skip over it, because I think it's

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important to the case and maybe behind
the psychology of it all and why it

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went down the way that this is
going to go down. So some people

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believe in like the educational community right
and the thinkers of the world, that

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this traumatizing childhood experience led him to
despise people from the gay community. But

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it wasn't because they were gay.
It's because he himself participated in a gay

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for pay, you know, exchange. And so I would be more along

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the lines of maybe not a possibility, but more inclined to be a probability

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that there was a lot of confusion
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You're not processing the role of sexuality
in depth, you know, when

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you're nine, ten, eleven,
twelve, thirteen years old, you understand

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maybe what sex is, but not
the whole premise and purpose and you know

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everything that goes with it emotionally.
So keep that in mind. I guess

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that maybe this is part of that
factor of wanting to go hurt these people.

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It is in no way an excuse, zero an excuse. I don't

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condone people. Even if you've had
a poor experience as a kid, I

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don't think that that's fair for you
to then go and hurt other people,

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completely innocent people, just because you
hate what happened to you. That that's

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continuing the cycle of abuse. So
where is Blanchette Landing. Let me tell

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you a little bit about It's in
Saint Charles, downtown, Missouri, and

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it's described as having a network of
parks and trails along the Missouri River and

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you can, you know, do
bank fishing. They have a boat launch,

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and there's these pavilions and it just
seems to be like a really nice

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chill place to go relax, enjoy
the outdoors and maybe even have a little

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bit of privacy if you wanted to
hang out and talk. And once David

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and Robert got there, they even
say, yeah, we hid in the

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dark because they wanted to assess how
many people were out there, and they

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wanted to look about the area because
they had seen when they walked up that

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there were four or five cars parked
there, so they knew there was multiple

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people there, and I guess they
wanted to make sure that they weren't going

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to be caught and to kind of
assess who it was that they were going

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to go and attack. And they
were sizing people up when they eventually set

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their sights on two men that were
located sitting at a table talking to one

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another. Now they didn't just run
up and go say give me all your

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money and put a gun in their
face. No, they literally stalked the

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victims. They sat in the shadows
of these dark bathrooms, like the dark

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bathroom area that wasn't really lit,
and they watched them from afar, and

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they watched them until their suspicions were
confirmed about the sexuality of the two men,

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because they watched them hugging. And
then when the two men eventually kissed

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while they didn't even know that they
were being watched. They were sipping on

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beer and just enjoying each other's company, not bothering anyone they unknowingly were being

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stalked by predators. And there's there's
a million reasons I guess why someone might

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want to go attack gay men as
their targets in their minds, like not

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my mind, in their minds.
But the most prominent belief, according to

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Robert, is that they wanted to
choose gay men as their targets because they

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thought they would be he targets.
See, Robert believed that if he was

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picking someone large, you know,
the six foot eight, burly guy,

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that'd be a dumb idea, right, you'd want to pick a small guy.

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And in Robert's mind he thought,
well, hey, they must be

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soft if they're gay, so it
just makes an easier victim. But I

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mean, gay aside logic tells you
not to pick the biggest guy. You

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don't go pick a fight with the
biggest guy. Right. The gay part,

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in my opinion, is because he's
hateful. I think that he hates

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the fact that he used to participate
in that he hates himself for it.

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He even said that he compensated when
he got older as a teenager and tried

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to sleep with every female he could
to try to justify I guess or compensate

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for what he did when he was
younger. And to me, it sounds

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like the short guy with the real
jacked up truck over compensation much. And

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the size part to me is because
they're a coward. You know. It's

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just a conglomerate of things. You
know. I know, I'm gonna tell

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you this. I know some gay
people that I'm friends with, and one

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in mind i'm thinking about, he
would bake, he would have beat the

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breaks off of these to these two
teens. Their logic was completely flawed.

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I think they just tried to justify
it with this somehow, and once the

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attackers identified the men as gay,
they suspected that they were a soft target.

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That's when they went to approach them. Now, who are these two

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men that they were targeting? I'm
glad you asked. This hurts my heart,

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but I no matter. Y'all spent
hours trying to find more on these

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two victims, and I simply could
not find it. I went everywhere I

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could think. I even went to
like death certificates. I tried to find

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a ton of stuff on these guys, and I couldn't find it. But

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I'm gonna do my best to give
them the honor I guess that they deserved.

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But their names were Jerry Parker and
Denny Young. Now Jerry Parker was

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born on March eleventh, in nineteen
forty one. His full name was Ford

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Jerry Parker and he was forty nine
years old whenever this case takes place,

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and he was employed, he had
been employed by a numerous companies. They

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did like boxes, they know,
corrugated boxes, and he worked for these

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companies out of Los Angeles. But
in nineteen seventy two he had suffered an

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injury at work and that disabled him. So he, according to his family,

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was known to have a bad knee
and that affected his walking. He

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had a poor heart, so he
wasn't the healthiest guy, and even as

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a nephew. His nephew's name was
Richard Keel. But he described him as

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a fun loving, selfless man and
that he was the kind of guy that

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he would go to any extent to
help someone. He was kind, okay.

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The other guy that he was there
with the other man's name was Denny

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Young, and Denny was thirty eight
years old. He was born on September

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twenty fifth, nineteen fifty one,
and he was known to be a good

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friend. Jerry's obviously a little bit
more than that, and they hung out

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a lot. And I don't want
you to think I'm skipping over Denny Eye,

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y'all, eye struggled. I could
not find more on him, and

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there's more to him than being a
gay guy. I just don't know what

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it is. But I bet if
he's in the company of Jerry Parker,

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who sounds like a very, very
kind man, I bet you they have

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a lot in common. Now,
the two men are just sitting there as

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I described a minute ago, and
they were just talking and sipping on their

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beers when they were approached by Robert
and David. Now Denny Young, the

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younger of the two men. He
was a bit apprehensive at first and talking

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to these young strangers that had approached
him, but he would sort of have

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the conversation, but his guard was
up from the get go, and his

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instincts were telling him otherwise, right. He didn't want to trust these guys,

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but kindness took over, you know, and he tried his best to

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speak to these young people. But
he was curious, why are these two

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young guys out so late, and
why are they approaching us so Jerry and

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Denny kind of asked them, Hey, what are y'all. What are y'all

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doing? You know, they what
are y'all doing out so late? Why

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are y'all hear what's going on?
And so the boys lied to them and

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said, hey, we're headed to
go see some girls in Saint Peter's,

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but we don't have a ride,
and we really need a ride. Robert

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even said to Denny, hey,
I'll give you five dollars if you'll help

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us out and give us a ride
to meet with the girls. So the

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four of them sat there talking for
a little while for a couple of minutes,

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and the men even offered them some
beer. Hey do y'all want some

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beer? I mean? And they
took it. They said sure, They

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shared their drinks, they talked a
little bit more, and as they talked,

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Jerry and Denny's guards, you know, they dropped a little bit.

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So now it was about nine thirty
that evening, and the men agreed,

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Look, we'll give y'all a ride. We'll help y'all out. So the

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four of them loaded into the car
and headed toward Saint Peter's. Now,

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this car, from what I understand, is a you know, like a

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four seater car, but it's a
two door, so you'd have to lay

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down or flip up the front seats
so that people could get into the back.

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So Robert got in the car behind
Jerry in the passenger side, and

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00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.519
David got behind Denny on the driver's
side. So Denny is driving, the

409
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:17.839
younger of the two robbers is behind
him, and then Jerry is in the

410
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:22.599
passenger seat and Robert, the twenty
year old, is behind him. So

411
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.519
while they're driving, it's dark.
You can imagine they're just driving along and

412
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.839
the lights are kind of passing the
vehicle as they go. Robert secretly and

413
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:34.000
quietly gave David the gun, but
he kept those five twenty two's the bullets

414
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:38.960
that were in his pocket. And
as Denny was driving those winding roads toward

415
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.319
the interstate, all four of them
exchanged a little small talk, small talk,

416
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.799
just general conversation, and they were
asking things like, you know what

417
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.079
y'all's names, and they even noted
and asked the boys, you know,

418
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.799
are y'all high? You know what
he'll doing, And Denny seemed now to

419
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:03.440
be even more apprehensive, and he
became very quiet. From that point in

420
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.920
the drive Jerry also became a little
bit alarmed whenever he heard the young men

421
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.440
in the back seat whispering. He
even addressed it and said, how come,

422
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.279
y'all are whispering, Like what's going
on back there? But the two

423
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:18.680
young guys in the back just kind
of brushed it off and like what you're

424
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.599
talking about? We're just talking blah
blah blah blah blah. Well, the

425
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.279
tension in the distrust was brewing the
further they drove, but hoping for the

426
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.640
best. The men drove, hoping
just to get these guys out of their

427
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.839
car sooner then later. And can't
you feel the regret that these men must

428
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.559
have felt. Also, you know, they might also feel a little conflicted

429
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.160
on just, you know, dumping
these two guys that they agreed to give

430
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.400
a ride to in the middle of
nowhere because they were young. Because I

431
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.000
can and you know, I've been
in similar situations where I wasn't sure what

432
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.519
I had just gotten myself into before, so I can kind of identify with

433
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.759
like, damn, this probably was
a bad idea, but the quad of

434
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.200
men would eventually make it to the
Cave Springs exit at Saint Peter's and Denny

435
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:06.400
took that exit, and unbeknownst to
the men in the front seat, the

436
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.960
guys in the back seat were actually
passing the gun back and forth, and

437
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:17.359
Robert started loading the bullets into the
gun. He then handed the gun back

438
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.200
to David. Now, Robert claimed
that he was going to have the men

439
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.839
drop them off at a Suneco gas
station, but then he had second thoughts

440
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.599
because he remembered, Oh, my
brother in law, Jeff works there,

441
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.960
and he's supposed to be working.
I don't want him to see us.

442
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.720
So instead he said young or he
didn't call him young, but I'm calling

443
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:34.519
him Denny Young. But he said, hey, man, can you take

444
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:40.160
us further into Saint Peter's, which
the men agreed to. But Denny,

445
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.519
still apprehensive about the whole thing,
even questioned them and said, man,

446
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.640
is this is set up like there
isn't anything going on? Is there?

447
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.440
You know? Come on, guys, and the guys denied any foul play

448
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.240
at hand until the car kept rolling. Eventually, Denny drove the car down

449
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.519
Cave Springs Road and then would turn
themto a road called Peach Street, and

450
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:07.440
breaking the quiet in the car with
the strangers, Jerry gave more simple conversation,

451
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.079
just trying to be nice and break
the tension, but it would unfortunately

452
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.960
change the course and the events of
the location they were headed without him even

453
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:21.799
realizing. See, Jerry casually mentioned, oh, my nephew lives right here

454
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:27.240
on Peach Street. So Robert told
Jerry, oh, actually, we're on

455
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:31.480
the wrong street. We actually need
to be on Burlcamp Street. So they

456
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.039
guided them into a circular drive and
Robert said, oh, yeah, this

457
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.400
is it. This is the house
right here. But the lights were off

458
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.599
at the house and it was really
dark, so Robert said, oh,

459
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.079
it's just because they aren't home yet. The girls. The girls are going

460
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.880
to be here now, remember they
were supposed to be heading to a party

461
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.200
and meeting some girls. And realizing
that this story was now not adding up,

462
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.480
or as I would say, this
dog ain't hunting, Denny kept asking

463
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.640
if something was wrong, and now
his temperament changed and he went from alarmed

464
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:07.799
to scared because this is not jiving. So David and Robert kept whispering,

465
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.920
But what they were saying, unbeknownst
to the men, was whether they thought

466
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.519
the men were on to them.
So as the story would build, you

467
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.279
know, you can't help it.
Be like, damn intuition, guys,

468
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.519
listen to your gut. You know, it's like the proverbial train wreck where

469
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:29.680
you just can't look away. But
man, don't we ignore our gut sometimes?

470
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.680
And you know, the more I
listen to these stories and the more

471
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.839
I tell him, it's like I'm
learning your gut is there for a reason.

472
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.519
It tells you things. It's your
intuition telling you survival mode needs to

473
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:44.799
be engaged. And Denny, you
know, he was sensing at this point

474
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.799
that something was very wrong, and
he finally had had enough and he stood

475
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.799
his ground and he told the guys
in the backseat, look, we've gone

476
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.240
far enough. It's time for y'all
to get out, and y'all can just

477
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:59.079
find another ride from here. But
the thing about mean people is they don't

478
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.319
care about boundaries. Right, Denny
was trying to set those boundaries and be

479
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.720
like, look, you'll need to
get out of the car. But Robert

480
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.960
being one of those mean people,
and you know, rather than getting out

481
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.119
like they told him to, he
said, look, can you just take

482
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.800
us back to I seventy where you
know, we'll get out there and we'll

483
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.400
find a ride. So, according
to Robert, the men said, okay,

484
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.039
but this is it, and as
they drove even further, they all

485
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.760
talked about maybe we should party sometime
together. I don't believe that either,

486
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.000
because I feel like there was a
lot of tension and stress and they just

487
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.519
wanted to get these guys out of
the car. But Robert claims now they've

488
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.519
gone from look, we're not gonna
take you any further, we don't trust

489
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.119
you get out of our car,
to maybe we should party together. I'm

490
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:43.599
not buying that. But while there's
supposedly this small talk get tension filled discussion,

491
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:49.079
the discussion being held, it was
then that David and Robert quietly signaled

492
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.519
to one another at the next stop, we're taking this car. We're going

493
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.320
to steal the car from them.
So Robert told the men that he had

494
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.400
a friend on a service road by
the interstate, and look, you can

495
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.360
just drop us there. So once
they turned onto Spring Road, it had

496
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.760
a dead end, and the men
didn't realize it, but once they had

497
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:12.039
made that last turn, their fates
were sealed. There was a driveway at

498
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.519
the dead end, and young Denny
Young turned in, believing it to be

499
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.599
that friend's house that Robert spoke of. So when they turn into the driveway,

500
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.840
Robert asked, any go ahead and
turn off your headlights and you know,

501
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:30.760
turn off your motor because my friend
might be sleeping. The men say

502
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.280
okay, And they had to get
out of the car anyway, right because

503
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.480
they had to flip those seats up
to let the guys out of the back.

504
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:43.599
So before the exchange happens where they're
bending to get out of the seats,

505
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.480
Robert gets the gun back from David, which he then concealed from the

506
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.119
men. So as Jerry got out, he opened the seat for Robert to

507
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:57.719
climb out of the back and to
repay them for their kindness of the ride.

508
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.880
As Robert got out and he started
to stand up, he turned and

509
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:07.920
he promptly punched Jerry in the face
as hard as he could. So Jerry

510
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.280
then threw his hands up, trying
to attempt to protect himself, and Robert

511
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.159
just started hammer and blow after blow
into Jerry's stomach, and he eventually just

512
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.079
pushed him and beat him down until
he tripped into a into like a hole

513
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.199
and he fell down into a ditch. And remember already told you Jerry wasn't

514
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.519
in the best of health. He
had heart problems and he couldn't walk well

515
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.800
because of that leg. Jerry,
realizing that he was going to have to

516
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.960
get away immediately, he tried to
get up and he desperately tried to climb

517
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.840
back onto his feet, but Robert
had the upper hand and he kicked him

518
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:44.000
hard and knocked him back to the
ground. So realizing that the fight was

519
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.840
on, David was simultaneously being let
out of the back seat and he starts

520
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.920
fighting with Denny on the other side
of the car. And according to Robert's

521
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.000
own account, it wasn't going as
plan because Denny Young was on top of

522
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.039
David and was working him over.
And I guess that whole easy target idea

523
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.880
was proven wrong in that moment,
because just because you're gay doesn't mean you

524
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.800
can't beat that ass. Okay.
It was at that point that Robert dragged

525
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.719
Jerry, who is disabled, y'all. He drags him over towards where David

526
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.920
and Denny are just fistfighting, and
he pulls the gun out that he had

527
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.679
on him, and he drew that
gun down on Denny and he pointed the

528
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.719
pistol at his head and he yelled
at him stop fighting. Unarmed and realizing

529
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:35.719
that he was in no position to
win against that cold gun to the back

530
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:40.480
of his head. Denny stopped.
Robert then gave the gun to David and

531
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.000
he told him shoot either of them
if they try to get away. Now,

532
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.599
they're all sweating, they're all out
of breath, and all of the

533
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.360
men are just kind of still.
They're calm. They're just kind of looking

534
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.599
at one another, right, and
it's still, and it's quiet other than

535
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:06.239
the cars passing behind them on the
interstate. And that's when Robert calmly walked

536
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.199
over to the car and he directed
the men that were now being held against

537
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.159
their will at gunpoint to get into
the back seat of the car. Denny

538
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.920
got back in the back seat behind
Robert, who was driving, and David

539
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.800
was now in the passenger seat with
Jerry behind him. Robert told the men,

540
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.199
stay calm and do what we tell
you to do and you won't be

541
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.559
hurt. All that was going to
happen was we're going to have a robbery

542
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.719
here and then we're going to dump
you out and take the car, and

543
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:42.519
we will leave you unharmed if you
comply. So David kept both men at

544
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.239
gunpoint while Robert was driving the car
back down the service road and eventually they

545
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.079
crossed over and overpass to the north
side of the service road, and they

546
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:57.559
came upon a stop sign during the
ride where Denny decided he didn't want to

547
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.920
die. They were already beat up, they were being held at gunpoint.

548
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.199
He wanted out of the car,
and he said, this is probably my

549
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.400
chance to do so, because they're
driving us back down into a wooded area.

550
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:13.119
So he reached for the door handle
to try to throw the door open

551
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.360
and try to squeeze his way out. But instead of stopping, Robert blew

552
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.679
through that stop sign, and with
the desperation mounting, Denny even reached forward

553
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.800
and reportedly tried to choke Robert from
behind. Now Robert says, oh,

554
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.320
well, our plan to rob the
men is all we were gonna do,

555
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.039
right, We just needed to get
away from the people. So Robert stopped

556
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.559
the car and he turned it off, including the headlights, and David asked

557
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:44.039
him, are you gonna kill us? Are you gonna shoot us? Please?

558
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.440
Please don't hurt us, And Robert
said no, no, I wasn't

559
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.840
gonna hurt you. But that was
until he became enraged by that choking attempt.

560
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.079
So Robert opened the door, he
flipped the seat forward and he let

561
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:09.280
Young out. Almost immediately, David
and Jerry started to fight again, and

562
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.039
as they fought, Jerry fell down
into a ditch. And as Denny got

563
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.239
out, he too took action and
he punched Robert in the face. The

564
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.679
fight for their lives was on and
they knew it. They knew what was

565
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:30.280
at stake, and no matter disability, no matter size, no matter anything,

566
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:37.519
these two started fighting for their lives. Eventually, Denny too was down

567
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.559
in the ditch after David got the
best of him, and they were exhausted

568
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.960
and breathing. While David and Robert
did exchange a few words, and at

569
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.320
that point, Jerry had gotten up
and was trying to run away. He

570
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.119
got up and he's limping and he's
trying. He's desperate, just desperately trying

571
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.440
to run off into the darkness to
get away. And that's when Robert started

572
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.320
chasing him. And just as Robert
caught up with him, like something out

573
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.039
of a scary movie, Jerry fell. He tripped, and he fell into

574
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.760
the ditch, onto the ground where
he was. And while there could have

575
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.760
been another man to man fight,
they could have fought, you know,

576
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:22.280
till the end. Robert instead decided
he was going to be the one to

577
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.079
decide how it ended, and he
chose to do so by firing two shots

578
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.480
from that twenty two. One of
those shots hit Jerry directly in the face,

579
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.880
and the blowback from that shot even
left blood spattered on Robert's hand,

580
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:44.639
that's the proximity he was so Once
Jerry was mortally wounded and dying, Robert

581
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.519
then ran over to where Denny was
in the ditch, and he raised the

582
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.239
gun to his head, and Denny, seeing his life flashing before his eyes,

583
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.280
he did the only thing he knew
to do, and he hit his

584
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:01.320
knees and he started begging for his
life. He begged with everything within him.

585
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.480
Please please don't kill me. I
swear to you, I will not

586
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.199
go to the police. I didn't
even see y'all's faces well enough to even

587
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:14.840
tell on you. Please please don't
kill me. Please give me my life,

588
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.800
just go you can have everything.
Please just don't kill me. Please,

589
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.679
And Robert, with a gun in
his hand, picked it up,

590
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.760
pointed it and he fired the shot
anyway, and he struck him in the

591
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:38.639
head, and then with no regard
for life whatsoever, and to ensure that

592
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.000
no one would ever live to tell
what happened. Robert took the last two

593
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.760
bullets that he had in his pocket, he reloaded the weapon, and he

594
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:52.679
fired one more shot into him.
He then walked closer to Denny and he

595
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.760
fired another close range shot into his
head, executioner style. Denny didn't move

596
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.800
after that, but his body made
some noises as he died laying in the

597
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.760
ditch. So that whole self description
that Robert gives about not being a doer

598
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.159
but being more of a talker is
pretty much shot to hell at this point

599
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.719
if you believe that to begin with
no pun intended. David and Robert got

600
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:22.639
back into the car, turned it
around, and then as they slowly drove

601
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.440
up to where the bodies were laying, Robert stopped the car, and that's

602
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.199
when he got out and he started. He flipped the men over and he

603
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.559
started digging through their pockets. And
I ad, you're wondering, what was

604
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.519
their reward for killing two men in
cold blood who agreed to give you a

605
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:45.679
ride and shared their beer with you? What was the reward for that?

606
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:53.960
A silver Zippo lighter, a pack
of camel cigarettes, and just under one

607
00:43:54.039 --> 00:44:01.360
hundred dollars. That was the value
of two men's life lives who showed you

608
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:09.880
kindness. After flipping them over and
getting everything out of their pockets, Robert

609
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.679
got back in the car and he
drove away while the two men, who

610
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:21.239
were mortally wounded and dying, lay
on the ground. Now, it was

611
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.280
stated in the report that Dave looked
at Robert and said, look, man,

612
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.760
if they're not dead, maybe we
should take them to a hospital.

613
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.840
Maybe we need to take them,
And then Robert supposedly said, no,

614
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.880
man, I'm just sick to my
stomach for what just happened. We just

615
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.480
need to go again. I just
I don't. I don't. I don't

616
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.360
see that happening like that. David
to this point does seem like the miner

617
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.119
of the two, not in age, but I mean in in aggression.

618
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.199
I guess he's kind of following the
lead of Robert. I don't see Robert

619
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.000
saying, oh, I'm sick to
my stomach. I just want to go.

620
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.599
Because if you were sick to your
stomach after you follow that first shot

621
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.480
and you realize, holy shit,
this has gone wrong, you would have

622
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.079
jumped in that car and tore out
of there. You wouldn't have calmly walked

623
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:07.360
over like a psychopath and put multiple
bullets in two men, one who is

624
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.840
a physically handicapped ill man. You
don't feel sick to your stomach. You

625
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.280
just don't want to get caught.
So once they got back closer to their

626
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.880
house, David and Robert started talking
about what are we gonna do with this

627
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.239
car? So it was about ten
thirty at that point, and they agreed

628
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:29.280
upon a location known as Bale's Memorial
Park. So when they got there,

629
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.519
Robert decided, you know what,
instead of just getting away, Remember he's

630
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.679
sick to his stomach. He's so
sick to his stomach, he just needs

631
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.000
to get away. Yeah, he
was so sick to his stomach that he

632
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.679
decided, Nah, maybe, while
i still have blood on my hands and

633
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.320
I've just stolen the car and murdered
two men, I think I'd like to

634
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.519
steal some stuff out of the car
before we leave. And that included the

635
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.440
car stereo, the speakers, some
cassette tapes because remember we're back in the

636
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.760
nineties, some cassette tapes, and
then some few other miscellaneous items that he

637
00:45:54.800 --> 00:46:00.480
found in the car. And knowing
that they shouldn't leave behind any evidence.

638
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.320
Both David and Robert took care to
throw out any trash that was in the

639
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.199
car. They threw away an ash
tray. They even took the car cigarette

640
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.039
lighter that they said, ooh,
that might have our fingerprints on it,

641
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.599
right, because they were sharing cigarettes. And Robert even went to the extent

642
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.880
to take off the vinyl steering will
cover because he was like, ooh,

643
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.519
my fingerprints might be on this too. He was so sick to his stomach

644
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.599
that he stole everything and then wanted
to wipe away all of the evidence that

645
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.840
was left. And so once they
were happy with their efforts, they went

646
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.880
and they dumped the car in that
park area, and before walking away,

647
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.480
Robert, remember sick to his stomach, also say I think I'm gonna break

648
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.639
the gear shifter. I want to
remove that plastic housing on the shifter in

649
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.320
case I left my fingerprints on it. So he did that, and then

650
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.119
they walked through a small field behind
the Steamboat Lake apartments and that's where Robert

651
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:52.400
just casually dropped the plastic from the
gear shifter and the vinyl steering will cover.

652
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.800
Can you imagine go into that effort
to try to remove any evidence and

653
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.920
then you just drop it on your
path that you're walking. Not only you're

654
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.000
evil, but you're stupid. Oh
there I go again, read it.

655
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:14.239
I'm being mean, Jesus. They
continue to walk until they got back to

656
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.000
Robert's apartment, and so he walks
up and he puts the stereo, the

657
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.320
speakers, the gun, and those
cassette tapes under his bedroom window outside and

658
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.559
then they walk around to the front
of the apartment and they go on in.

659
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.400
Now, I was like, why
were they Why would they do that?

660
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.039
Why would't they just go in?
Well, it was about eleven twenty

661
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:36.519
that night, and Robert's sister,
Francine and her husband and their son were

662
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.840
there and they were watching TV.
Now Francine and them didn't have anything to

663
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.760
do with this, They didn't know
about it. They had no clue the

664
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.800
gun was even gone either out of
their room. So this was a setup

665
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.719
to establish an alibi and to say
no, we weren't there, right,

666
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.719
we just we came through the front
door. They saw us, and as

667
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.760
they entered the apartment, though,
Robert's sister Francine looked at him and was

668
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.880
kind of concerned, like, wait, why are y'all shoes all wet?

669
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.639
And what is going on? Because
they just seemed to bit on edge.

670
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.800
And I love that about criminals.
They think they're so smooth, but other

671
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.000
people who know you know when something's
off. So the two guys just kind

672
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.360
of brush off the questions and they
went to his bedroom where they opened the

673
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.119
window, and then they brought all
the stuff in through the window where they

674
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.480
had stored it underneath. David then
changed back into his work uniform. Robert

675
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.800
put the clothes back in the closet, and all in all the crime was

676
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:24.960
done. The guys were back home
by eleven forty five. They went out

677
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.679
on the porch, smoked a cigarette, and then David said, I gotta

678
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.320
go. I'm going home, and
they kind of like pieced out. Robert

679
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.960
was so sickened, remember by what
he had done, that he just went

680
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.719
inside and he went in the living
room and he watched TV with his sister

681
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.599
until about three am. He got
stoned, He drank some more, got

682
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.559
drunk, and they all went to
bed. He decided maybe I should take

683
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.920
these stolen items and go put them
somewhere other than here. So he then

684
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.800
packed it all up and he went
to his sister's old storage building that she

685
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:59.480
rented, and he put it in
there, and then he returned. He

686
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.440
went back through his window and then
snuck in his sister's room to hide the

687
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.159
twenty two back so that she would
not even realize that it was gone.

688
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.840
Then he had apparently picked up the
casings from the bullets whenever he did the

689
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:16.360
shooting, because he then threw those
in his closet. Criminal of the Century

690
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.000
here. So about seven thirty the
next morning, Robert had to babysit his

691
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.760
nephew Jacob. And that to me
is just so just oh my god.

692
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.480
You could go out and murder two
men and then you're gonna babysit your nephew

693
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.519
the next morning, Like I don't
know, I just I would freak out.

694
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.679
I don't know that I could just
do that. He didn't have much

695
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:42.800
else to do that day other than
babysit, so around noon he went to

696
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.159
the store. And while he was
going to the store, he walked past

697
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.320
Dennis's car, and much to his
surprise, the car had been moved,

698
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.039
and so he wondered what happened,
but he kind of was really unbothered by

699
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.480
it, and he kept walking.
And this is even more interesting too.

700
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.440
David, remember he was still a
teen. You know what he did after

701
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:06.320
cold bloodedly being a part of two
murders, he had to go to school.

702
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.880
He got up the next morning and
he went to school, and when

703
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:14.519
he got out that afternoon, he
went back over to Robert's house where they

704
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.440
kind of talked about the shooting,
and he told Robert something that wouldn't make

705
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.119
Robert too happy. See, David
did exactly what teenagers do. He went

706
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.559
straight to school. He started blabbing
his mouth to people, telling them what

707
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:34.239
he had done. Gee whiz,
there's a book out there called like Crime

708
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.079
for Idiots. Maybe you should read
it because you're not very good at it.

709
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.320
So, frustrated by learning this,
Robert goes and gets the car keys

710
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.199
from David, who David still had
them, and he threw them in the

711
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.840
woods behind his house. And then
something that they weren't aware of though at

712
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.400
that point, was that you can
go throw the keys all you want to,

713
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.639
but the bodies have already been found, and they the police were already

714
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.079
onto this and realizing that the car
had been stolen. So David had to

715
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.679
go back to work from an hour
or so that evening, but he called

716
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.280
Robert and was like, I think
you need to watch the news. Let's

717
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.800
see if they found the bodies.
And it turns out, yep, they

718
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.920
had found them, because only five
minutes later, David calls back and says,

719
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.639
oh my god, they found the
bodies. So Robert leaves the house

720
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.320
and goes over to David's house because
it was closer to where the car had

721
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.280
been left. And he sits there
and he watches the police as they photographed

722
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:30.119
the car, just smoking a cigarette, watching them photographed the car that he

723
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.920
had used after he had murdered two
people. And at this point, I

724
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.119
think it started sinking in that maybe
they weren't as good at murder as they

725
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:42.360
thought they were. So Robert went
home and called his mama and said,

726
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.360
Mama, I may have shot two
people. I may have shot two people.

727
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:54.119
Jimothy, you're in here. Have
you ever questioned whether you shot two

728
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:59.400
people or not? No, I've
never shot two people, but I'm pretty

729
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.800
sure I know you think you wouldn't
know if you did. Yes, So

730
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.599
that's what we in the biz would
call a clue, a clue and minimization.

731
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:13.599
You taught me that a clue blues
clues might have shot, might have

732
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:20.000
shot somebody after telling his mama he
might have shot two people, he says,

733
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:24.039
but don't tell anybody until I'm able
to call you back. Alrighty.

734
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.760
Then, So Robert then went and
met up with his sister at work,

735
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.159
where she says he was crying uncontrollably
and needed to borrow the car. Now,

736
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.320
I would like to note he was
not crying uncontrollably when he planned this

737
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.360
for what twelve hours. He wasn't
crying uncontrollably whenever he went and set up

738
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.360
the two men. He wasn't crying
uncontrollably when he was putting bullets in their

739
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.360
bodies. And he wasn't crying uncontrollably
when he drove away and stole their stuff.

740
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.599
He was only crying like a little
bitch whenever he realized that the police

741
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:58.039
were onto it quicker than he wanted
them to be onto it. And then

742
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.719
his co conspirator, who was a
sixteen year old boy, went to school

743
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:07.840
and started telling everybody that's when he
started crying. That's not lost on me.

744
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.000
So she was really alarmed though,
and was like, oh my god,

745
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.400
what happened? And Robert said,
I can't tell you. I just

746
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.840
need your car. So Robert and
David decide they're going to skip town,

747
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.960
right, that's their only option.
But before they left town, Robert went

748
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.360
to go meet his girlfriend. She
had a beautiful name, by the way,

749
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.960
her name was Kelly. He went
and visited his girlfriend, Kelly,

750
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.400
and he went and told few other
people goodbye, he was leaving town and

751
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.880
that they were going to Corpus Christi, Texas. But they didn't get too

752
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.800
far down the road before they were
both calling their mamas and basically crying like

753
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.480
little bitches because they were just didn't
know what to do. And both of

754
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.800
their mamas were so distraught and they
were like, what are y'all doing?

755
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:54.519
Boys, go back and turn yourselves
in. What are you doing? And

756
00:53:54.599 --> 00:54:00.400
after talking to mama, that's exactly
what they did, but not before they

757
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.760
tried to coordinate what they were going
to tell the police when they got arrested.

758
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.760
And this, to me is just
a coup de gras Robert made.

759
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:14.239
David agreed to write a statement saying
Robert shot Denny and David shot Jerry,

760
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.920
which was not the truth, but
David agreed to do it. But that's

761
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.679
Robert setting this kid up. I
think to say, you know, we

762
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.440
both hold responsibility for this, and
then Robert called a sister to tell her

763
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.360
he was going to turn himself in
at ten point fifteen pm at the Saint

764
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.360
Charles Police Department. Are you ready
for this? Though? Are you ready?

765
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.400
Do you know why he told his
sister what time and where he was

766
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.079
going to go turn himself in.
It's because he wanted her there to ensure

767
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:50.320
his safety. To ensure his safety, I guess I'm gonna have to be

768
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:55.599
mean again. Someone who called bloodedly
just shot two men first cigarettes and a

769
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:02.039
lighter, wanted his safety insured and
called his sister to protect him. I

770
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.840
guess I am mean. Really,
what an asshole. He also called his

771
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:08.840
brother in law, Jeff, and
he said, hey, man, you

772
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:14.360
need to get rid of that twenty
two revolver that you have in the closet.

773
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:19.199
And as someone with a conscience,
Jeff said, why would I need

774
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.000
to get rid of my gun?
And when Robert told him, he flat

775
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.119
out refused and said I will not
get rid of the gun. Sorry,

776
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.840
not going to do that. But
around ten ten Robert drove to the West

777
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.960
Clay Street apartments there were sun Valley
Lake apartments, and both of the boys

778
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.960
walked across the street to the police
department, and they were promptly arrested by

779
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:45.559
Sheriff's detectives. Now, when they
were telling detectives what happened, the story

780
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:52.840
they gave was absolutely absurd compared to
reality. This is what they tried to

781
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.639
say. They tried to say,
Oh, it was completely self defense.

782
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.079
Now ask me what they were defending
themselves again, ask me, please,

783
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.480
right now, do it. I'm
so glad you asked. This is what

784
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.039
they had to shoot two men in
the head for. They said it was

785
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:17.800
self defense because the two men made
homosexual advances towards them. What in these

786
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:25.039
shit are you kidding me? Even
if it was true, that's worth killing

787
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:34.000
someone? Really, if you remember, because I've said it multiple times,

788
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.159
Jerry was in poor condition, he
was disabled. A nineteen year old boy

789
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:44.599
could have knocked him down easily.
He could have just beat the shit out

790
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.519
of him. He didn't have to
shoot him, even if it was true,

791
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.559
which it wasn't. I don't believe
that first second. And even crazier

792
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.239
is that Robert Schaeffer believed that sexual
advances would be a strong mitigating factor and

793
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.880
that other pig would be so horrified
by it that they would say, yep,

794
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.400
clearly self defense, because apparently,
in Robert's mind, hitting on someone

795
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:12.000
equates to they should die if you
don't like it. If that's the case,

796
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.360
there'd be a lot of dead people
walking around today. Everybody gets hit

797
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.519
on and you just go no,
thank you, and you walk away.

798
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:25.239
You don't shoot people. So Robert
was videotaped in his confession and the entire

799
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.599
time, y'all, he is arrogant, and he is matter of fact about

800
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.199
taking the lives of two people.
And listening to the parts that I listened

801
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.960
to, he comes across as flat. He's completely uncaring about anything that he

802
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:47.400
did. And you know, all
all in all, I did look up

803
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.960
some studies. I went to Lgbpsychology
dot Org, I went to a couple

804
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.320
of other places, and I was
trying to say, like, if we

805
00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:00.880
had to use it at the childhood
experiences of Robert to try to even understand

806
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:01.840
why he did it. I'm not
saying it's okay, I'm not saying he

807
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.840
should have done it anyway, And
to try to understand it, I mean,

808
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.920
everything says that, okay, if
a child you know is molested.

809
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.679
That part of the problem in society
is that we say homosexual molestation when we

810
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.360
should say male male to male molestation
because it does something to the psyche of

811
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.440
the kid and they go through all
of this. Okay, I get that

812
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:29.599
whatever, But all in all,
all of the studies that I looked at

813
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:34.679
said that kids that are molested,
whether it's a homosexual situation or not,

814
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.639
but specifically a homosexual molestation, all
of those studies overwhelmingly said that it's very

815
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prominent for those kids to commit self
harm, to start doing risky behaviors for

816
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:52.719
themselves, hurting themselves, which is
not okay, But I'm saying none of

817
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.239
them said that they go prey on
other people. So he doesn't even fit

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00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.159
the mold of the victimology here that
I would expect to see. So when

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it was all said and done,
Schaeffer was charged with two counts of first

820
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.639
degree murder and two counts of armed
criminal action. He pled guilty on two

821
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.679
counts of murder in the first degree
in two counts of armed criminal action,

822
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:20.400
and he was sentenced to death in
just two hours after deliberation. The jury

823
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:25.880
got it right. Hey, kind
of seems fitting because Robert decided these two

824
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:31.440
men needed to die within two hours
of meeting them on October twenty first,

825
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.360
nineteen ninety two, David Steinmeier received
a sentence of twelve years and six months

826
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:42.559
of imprisonment under a plea agreement,
and he was released after eleven years,

827
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.760
and for all intents and purposes,
has pretty much lived under the radar since

828
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:51.400
then. He has not been caught
up in anything else and seems to have

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00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:57.360
gone the straight path. He also
did not pull the trigger. In two

830
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:02.920
thousand and four, a court ruled
that Robert had not fully comprehended the implications

831
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.719
of waiving his right to an attorney, because he had said then, remember

832
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.000
how he was a cocky baster.
Oh I don't need an attorney. I

833
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.800
know what I did. Kill me. That was pretty much how he said

834
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:13.840
it. Well, then after living
on death row for a while, he

835
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.960
was like, wait a minute,
I don't think I understood what was going

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01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:22.079
on, and his death sentence was
commuted to a life sentence without the possibility

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01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:27.320
of parole. He got off of
death row because he says he didn't understand

838
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:34.039
it seems like such a poetic tragedy
that the courts would commute his sentence to

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01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.480
life when he wasn't willing to grant
such mercy. To his victims, even

840
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:44.920
when they begged for their life.
David served minimal time and he's now free.

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01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:52.760
It just isn't fair. Good men
enjoying each other's company were wiped out

842
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:57.920
by two waste of space teams,
over one hundred dollars and a Zippo lighter.

843
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.559
Not to mention, they were targeting
these two men for their sexual orientation.

844
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.400
They planned this for an extended period
of time. It wasn't spur of

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01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:15.840
the moment, and it was beyond
senseless. I guess I could say,

846
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.239
you know, Robert and David were
useless, but that would be mean,

847
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:24.039
y'all, and y'all know I can't
be mean any longer. They aren't completely

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01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:28.079
useless. They continue to serve as
bad examples