Toxic: The Murder of Joni Sanders

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,700Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real200:00:10,700 --> 00:00:21,840victims whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real?300:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,960I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal400:00:26,960 --> 00:00:33,320justice educator dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil many feel they are500:00:33,320 --> 00:00:51,000unspeakable.600:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,120Warning, unspeakable is intended for mature audiences.700:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,880If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl.800:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,280Listening discretion is advised.900:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,120Hey y'all, KJ here back for another episode of Unspeakable.1000:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,120Let's go and on.1100:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,120Let's go and on.1200:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,120We're back in two, season five, and this is episode two.1300:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,120How have you been?1400:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,920I hope you've been listening and catching up.1500:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,560I know a lot of people have been messaging me saying, "I took a break during Christmas1600:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,440and I'm having a catch up and this is going great."1700:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,120Well great, binge it.1800:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,840Get all your shows if you want to, but speaking of shows, did you all know that that live1900:01:19,840 --> 00:01:26,920show that we just posted sold out, it sold out in one hour and twenty minutes, which I2000:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,280guess as a creator is phenomenal.2100:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,280I was dumbfounded.2200:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,280I was shocked.2300:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,280Jim wasn't.2400:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,680Jim a Thee was like, "Yeah, that's how it goes."2500:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,600But I was shocked, I don't know.2600:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,400So, wow, thank y'all so much for buying those tickets.2700:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,920And so we had so much of a demand or request/demand of another show that we did open another2800:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,920one up.2900:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,360There will not be a third show.3000:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,200So if you want to come and you want to see the live show that I've got coming up, it's3100:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,400a good one.3200:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,400And so we added another night.3300:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,720As of the time of this recording, we do have seats available, but that may not be the case3400:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,480because they're selling really fast.3500:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,280So get online.3600:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,960I've put links out on my Facebook.3700:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,640I've put links on Patreon.3800:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,640I've put links.3900:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,640I think pretty much everywhere.4000:02:08,640 --> 00:02:10,520I can put them for you to find them.4100:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,520But go get them.4200:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,520Get your tickets now.4300:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,600Please don't wait because like I said, I'm not doing a third night.4400:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,480There will only be these two nights.4500:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,600Just when you buy the tickets, there were a lot of questions about, well, what about an4600:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,680email confirmation?4700:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,740It does send out an email confirmation, but they keep going everywhere until you're spam4800:02:26,740 --> 00:02:27,800and until you're junk mail.4900:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,200Some people are putting the wrong email address in altogether.5000:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,080And so it's kicking back and maybe not coming through to you.5100:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,800Look, when you check out, if you get the confirmation number, you have tickets.5200:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,800It's that simple.5300:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,400You can screenshot it, do whatever you want to do to make sure, you know, that makes you5400:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,400feel good about it.5500:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,160But you do have tickets when you get that confirmation number as soon as you check out.5600:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,480And you do not need a paper ticket.5700:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,600You do not need a paper ticket.5800:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,680We actually have you on a list by name when you purchase the tickets and we will check that5900:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,480whenever you come in the front door.6000:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,160It's easy, peasy, lemon, squeezy.6100:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,000Just show up.6200:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,600Walk up to a food truck.6300:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,200Get you some to eat.6400:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,760Walk over to the drink truck.6500:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,500Get you something to drink and get to sip in and snack in because the show is going to6600:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,000start and it's a banging one.6700:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000All right.6800:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000No worries.6900:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,120And I'm going to have merch there.7000:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,120If you want to buy some merch, I'm going to have, like I said, food trucks.7100:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,960And drink trucks and everything that your heart desires.7200:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,640All you got to do is show up and have a good time.7300:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,440So tickets are $48.7400:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,360Go ahead and get those because when it sells out, that's it.7500:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,680Also, and this is like a personal thing I want to put out there for you.7600:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,980Please do not buy tickets from people claiming that they bought them and now they have a whatever7700:03:37,980 --> 00:03:39,760reason and they have to sell them.7800:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,320They are scammers.7900:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,640They are scammers trying to get you to send money to them.8000:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,000I even went and looked at some of their profiles and they look good.8100:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,680Man, these look like normal people, but they're not.8200:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,240These are people that are trying to get you to send money and when you do it, it's out8300:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,240of my hands.8400:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,480You only can buy tickets from my approved vendor, which is through Southeastern.8500:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,160If you buy them from third parties and then you show up, I promise you they're scamming8600:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,160you.8700:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,160I promise you.8800:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,680Please do not bite.8900:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,520Please do not send them any money.9000:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,120I can't say it enough.9100:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,440Please do not.9200:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,920But hey, America.9300:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,360You make your decisions, right?9400:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,360Okay.9500:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,520I've got some shout outs that I want to give and this one's going to start out in Eager, Arizona9600:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,840with Miss Linda Parker.9700:04:22,840 --> 00:04:23,840Hey, Linda.9800:04:23,840 --> 00:04:29,960I'm so glad to have you as one of my members on my Patreon as well as Jamie Askins.9900:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,320Hi, Jamie.10000:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,520And then we move right here in my backyard to Dimsp rings and Madison Semino.10100:04:36,520 --> 00:04:37,520She's joined.10200:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,520Hey, Madison.10300:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,640I'm glad to have you right here in my hometown, girl.10400:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,720And certainly last but not least is Miss Amy Owens from Homer, California, all the way10500:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,720in Cali.10600:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,560I'm so tickled about my Cali listeners.10700:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,520I just, I don't know why, but that just tickles me.10800:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,080So thank you all so much for joining and for being a supporter of the show.10900:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,520Man, it makes all the difference.11000:04:57,520 --> 00:05:03,200And I've got content online and I'm working so hard to up the ante and to post as much11100:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,040as I can as often as I can.11200:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,360So go check it out.11300:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,600Also, when you become a Patreon member and you're a tiered,11400:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,240member, then you have communication with me and it's direct communication.11500:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,640Send me a chat, ask me a question.11600:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,760I'll answer as soon as I can.11700:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,880It's me talking to you and I'm happy to look anything up for you or try to help you out11800:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,880if I can.11900:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,840So thank you all so much to everyone that supports the show.12000:05:25,840 --> 00:05:28,080And I'm going to go ahead and get started with this episode.12100:05:28,080 --> 00:05:33,200So today's episode is another Louisiana case and it takes place in Vivian, Louisiana, on12200:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,920March the 12th, 2000.12300:05:34,920 --> 00:05:40,360Now, Vivian, if you're not familiar, is a town in Cato Parish, which if you're looking12400:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,000at the state, we call it the boot, right?12500:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,840I'm from Louisiana.12600:05:44,840 --> 00:05:46,400I'm from Louisiana.12700:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,400We call it that boot, right?12800:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,360If you go to the LSU games, you know that.12900:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,000All right, but if you're looking at the boot, it's going to be the most northern west part13000:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,640of the state.13100:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,680So up high and to the left if you're looking at a flat map, but there lived a man and a woman13200:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,480who were in a romantic relationship and their names were Larry Sharp and Joni Sanders.13300:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,600Now their relationship had recently come to an end and as the month of January 2000 came13400:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,160about, it really was like officially kind of over.13500:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,280But I'm not going to contend that this relationship from the start was without problems13600:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,240because I want to give you a little bit of background on Larry.13700:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,600Larry was previously married for 18 years.13800:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200He was committed, I guess, to his first wife.13900:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,200They had a daughter.14000:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,440Her name was Holly and they, you know, kind of live, live their life.14100:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,520He maintained employment, but there was a few problems that Larry had that were kind of personal14200:06:41,520 --> 00:06:42,520problems.14300:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,520He drank heavily.14400:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,720He did use drugs.14500:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,640He liked to gamble and he liked to have affairs, which is what led to the original, you14600:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,520know, the official end of his original marriage, his first marriage.14700:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,480And later he would met a girl named Joni or a woman named Joni and the two of them would14800:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,920begin dating and eventually they would live together for some time, but eventually they14900:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000separated.15000:07:06,000 --> 00:07:12,080But their relationship did have some issues and there was an incident during their relationship15100:07:12,080 --> 00:07:17,600that I found where Larry had actually cut Joni with a box cutter and it was a bad enough15200:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,720cut that she did have to get medical attention and some stitches for this.15300:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,640Now while I don't have a ton of details on that event itself, I did feel like in the totality15400:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,280of the story, that would matter.15500:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,960So I'm just giving you the little bit of basics that I know.15600:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,800Also complete transparency here.15700:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,680As this story goes on, you'll see why, but this is not a very prominent case.15800:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,520You're not going to find this one all over the internet.15900:07:41,520 --> 00:07:42,760It wasn't a big case.16000:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,600And so I did struggle finding information on my victims here.16100:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,800So it's not for lack of trying that I don't have a ton for you.16200:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,120This go round.16300:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,960But there's a reason I chose this story.16400:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,200Now as their relationship had ended a few months had passed and Joni was trying to move16500:07:58,200 --> 00:08:04,760on and see she had recently begun dating a man and his name was Marcio Stanford.16600:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,680And Larry himself was trying to move on and he did have a female friend.16700:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,480Her name was Sarah Grisham, but they were not necessarily boyfriend and girlfriend.16800:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,040He just really confided in her a lot and they seem to have an amicable relationship.16900:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,840So it wasn't necessarily romantic, but they did often comfort each other whenever they17000:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,240would be going through hard times.17100:08:25,240 --> 00:08:31,520And on a Friday night in March of 2000, just before this case really starts taking place,17200:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,920Joni placed a call to Larry and told him, look Larry, I really want to see you.17300:08:36,920 --> 00:08:43,000Now specifically, Joni wanted to meet up with him, not just talk to him and said, can17400:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,960we meet up at the Malibu Beach Club in Shreveport so that we can talk?17500:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,080Now I don't have a ton of information of what else went on in that conversation, but it17600:08:53,080 --> 00:08:59,080is documented that she did reach out to him and she did want to have a meetup with him.17700:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,400So in the early 90s, the Malibu Beach Club was considered the place to be and the club17800:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,080had several levels of clubbing, which was kind of neat for the 90s.17900:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,920And each level had like its own bar, but it also had like its own vibe, right?18000:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,200So it depended on which level you were on, what kind of vibe you were getting while you were18100:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,200clubbing.18200:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,080And it would have been a fun place to meet up, throw back some drinks and get together,18300:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,800because at this point it kind of seemed like, hmm, maybe they really hadn't cut ties18400:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,680100%.18500:09:29,680 --> 00:09:34,840I don't know that this relationship was one, you know, of Romeo and Juliet, but it surely18600:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,760was one that was toxic and they were like, you know, firing gasoline, but they kept kind18700:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,280of going back and forth is what I gathered from what I had researched.18800:09:43,280 --> 00:09:49,000Now Larry and Joni spoke for a while and as that conversation was being held, Larry looked18900:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,720down at the caller ID on his phone and he was quite shocked to see that he recognized19000:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,280that phone number that she was calling from.19100:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,280However, y'all, it wasn't because it was Joni's phone number.19200:10:01,280 --> 00:10:08,480Larry had heard that Joni was actually seeing someone else and this phone call that she placed19300:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,520seemed to confirm that, but it was shocking to Larry because the fact was that she was19400:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,880calling from Marcio's house and the reason that was shocking to Larry is because what19500:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,200I haven't told you yet is Marcio was Larry's very good friend.19600:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,840So if that doesn't tell you, Rut-Roh was about to go on, Rut-Roh.19700:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,280Now being a human being, if you didn't know I am a human being, I can say that this probably19800:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000had a pretty strong sting to it and I'm not going to deny that one bit.19900:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,720I mean, it's bad enough that they broke up with one another and they were still kind of20000:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,720talking a little bit.20100:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,400They didn't break it off necessarily 100%.20200:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,080And now she's actually seeing one of his friends.20300:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,000That had to hurt.20400:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,360So Larry decided, no, I'm not going to go meet with you.20500:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,920He did not go that night and instead he went to bed and then he got up Saturday morning20600:11:00,920 --> 00:11:06,480and he traveled to Nacodosh's Texas to go visit Sarah, that friend that I mentioned earlier.20700:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,280And at the time of this case, Larry was known to go and visit her at her home and to hang20800:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,280out.20900:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,520So according to Sarah, Larry arrived and when he was there, he was a real upset from21000:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,600the time that he got there because he was kind of talking to her about his issues and21100:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,760that the woman he cared about a lot had started seeing someone else.21200:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,880Yet it seemed like the woman, the woman being Joni, seemed to really want Larry still21300:11:30,880 --> 00:11:38,000around her and he kind of was feeling, I guess, mixed signals from her.21400:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,160They kind of decided, you know what, let's relax together.21500:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,520They drank some beer throughout the day and they did some housework and some chores around21600:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,800Sarah's house.21700:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,520She wanted to go work in the yard and so Larry joined in and they worked in the yard for21800:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,760a good while talking about the issues and just, you know, throwing back some beer.21900:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,080And when they finally completed the tasks that Sarah wanted to do around the house, Larry22000:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,280got cleaned up and decided he wanted to look to head to a local bar named Jitterbugs and22100:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,560have a few more beer.22200:12:04,560 --> 00:12:09,880Now remember, I already told you a little bit about Larry and he does have drinking problems.22300:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,600He does have drug usage and gambling and he does seem to have what I would think is in22400:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,720a very addictive personality.22500:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,200But hey, cold beer after a long day, a yard work sounds pretty damn good, am I right?22600:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,840I mean, I know when I work in my yard, I love when I'm sweating and we finish doing all22700:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,840the cutting and the edge in and all that.22800:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,360I love plopping down this blue chair I have and just cracking back some cold ones.22900:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,920It just is nice, right?23000:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,960So Larry did just that.23100:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,160But while Larry went out that night and went and had some beers, he also plays several23200:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,760phone calls and those phone calls he made were to Marcio.23300:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,640And he even left three messages saying, look man, I'm not mad at you, but I do want to23400:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,520talk to you.23500:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,000But Marcio never returned his phone calls.23600:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000All right.23700:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,960So Larry seemed to be out and about, drinking, thinking and drinking.23800:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,320So after having his drinks that evening, Larry then did return back to Sarah's house a23900:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,600little bit after midnight and he tried to go to bed and get some sleep.24000:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,400But unbeknownst to Sarah, the whole time Larry's lay in there.24100:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,760This got Joni on his mind and he can't shake it, right?24200:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,920He's probably drunk.24300:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,640He's in a bad way.24400:13:18,640 --> 00:13:25,120He's really upset about the phone call Joni had made from Marcio's house earlier that day.24500:13:25,120 --> 00:13:32,840So as Larry tried to toss and turn, he just could not get the feeling of betrayal and hurt24600:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,120out of his mind and out of his heart.24700:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,400And he didn't get much sleep and the more he thought about it, the worse he felt.24800:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,120And he even at one point got up and tried to go get in the bed with Sarah and she let24900:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,120him.25000:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,120And he just said, look, I just want to hold you.25100:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,120You can just hold you.25200:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,360I don't, I'm just, I'm in a bad way and she was like, that's fine, you know, whatever.25300:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,000But he just, he couldn't do it y'all.25400:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,720And that's when he decided to do the only thing that he could think to do after a night25500:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,000of heavy drinking and sadness and he decided, I'm going to kill myself.25600:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,720So Larry was better to Larry than living without Joni.25700:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,600So Larry did eventually doze off and when he got up the next morning, he told Sarah, look,25800:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,600I'm gonna go get some breakfast.25900:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,080I think he said he was going to McDonald's and so the reality of it was that it actually26000:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,560wasn't true.26100:14:19,560 --> 00:14:25,720Instead, Larry got in his vehicle and he started driving and he headed to Marshall, Texas.26200:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,640And the reason he drove to Marshall is he had another friend that lived there.26300:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,040This friend's name was Jeff Palmer.26400:14:31,040 --> 00:14:37,280Now when Larry got in the car, he was in tent on going to Jeff's house, but he was not going26500:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,680there to visit.26600:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,440He didn't want to visit.26700:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,600He didn't want to be talked off the ledge of being suicidal.26800:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,840In fact, Larry went to that house because he knew Jeff wouldn't be home.26900:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,080He knew that Jeff would be at work.27000:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,440And the reason he knew that is that he had previously been a roommate of Jeff's and27100:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,560lived with him and he still had a spare key from when he lived there.27200:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,720So he knew that he could get into the house.27300:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,440And there's a reason that he headed to that unoccupied home of a friend.27400:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,960And I believe it was because of convenience and comfort and he could explain it away if27500:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,520he happened to be caught in the house.27600:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,360But another thing that was pointed out to me or that I pointed out to myself, I guess,27700:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,520was that this wasn't a quick trip.27800:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,160I even looked up the distance because I actually didn't know.27900:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,320And it was an 80 mile drive he would have taken, which was gonna be about an hour and28000:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,52020 minutes if you drove the most direct route.28100:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,000And when Larry got there, he was able to get into the home through the back door using28200:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000that key.28300:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,920And then he immediately went to where he knew there was a shotgun and he took it.28400:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,160He took a 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun and then he rearranged some stuff on that shelf28500:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,160where he took it and on the gun rack so that his friend might not notice that his gun28600:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,240was missing whenever he got back home.28700:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,640As he was able to obtain that weapon, he then traveled to a dearleast camp where he ultimately28800:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,320said that he was going to kill himself.28900:15:59,320 --> 00:16:06,240And he was wanting his friend Tim Klonegger to come and to find his body at first.29000:16:06,240 --> 00:16:12,160But while he was driving and he was thinking on his way there, he decided, you know what,29100:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,440you know, I want him to find my body, but I think instead, I think I want to go kill Mars29200:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,440Hill and Joni.29300:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960I think that might make me feel better.29400:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,840So there were some things he wanted to say.29500:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,800And if he killed himself first, he wasn't going to be able to do that.29600:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,800So while he was thinking through exactly what to do, he decided that he needed to get29700:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,600someone else's truck as well because he was driving without a license and he was scared29800:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,400that the police might recognize his truck and then take him to jail for lack of a license.29900:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,760My only curiosity with that, and you know, I'm always going to give my opinion on things,30000:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,680my only curiosity about that detail is the fact that if you were about to go kill yourself30100:16:48,680 --> 00:16:55,120and then other people, like, why would you care about, you know, driving without a license?30200:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,880I mean, I guess you could argue that he couldn't kill himself if they arrested him and put30300:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,880him in jail.30400:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,120But I mean, he's already committed a burglary.30500:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,640He's already stolen a firearm.30600:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,560So driving without a license, to me, seems kind of petty of an issue for someone contemplating30700:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,760death.30800:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,720But it seems more along the lines of the fact that he wanted to make sure that he was30900:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,160able to get there and kill them before his plan was thwarted somehow.31000:17:20,160 --> 00:17:26,360But either way, when they spoke, he and Tiltarian Tim, he did ask Tim, "Hey, man, can I borrow31100:17:26,360 --> 00:17:27,560your truck?"31200:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,960And so when he was questioned, "What do you need a truck for?"31300:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,760He said, "Look, I'm going to be moving my furniture because I'm going to move in with Sarah."31400:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,040Now, I don't have to tell you that's not true, but that's what he told Tim.31500:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,640And Tim was a nice guy, so Tim said, "Sure, no problem."31600:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600And he agreed to meet Larry at the deer camp.31700:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,320And when he got there, Larry, or while he was driving there, Larry had a little bit of time31800:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,200on his hands sitting and waiting for Tim to get there.31900:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,200So Larry took that time to write two letters.32000:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,360He wrote one letter to his ex-wife, and then he wrote another one to his daughter.32100:17:58,360 --> 00:18:03,720Now in those letters, Larry tried to explain what was about to happen and the reasoning for32200:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,520his decisions and why he was doing what he was doing.32300:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,400And he also even added things in like who he wanted to be his pallbearer, and he also asked32400:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,680that his ashes be spread on a golf course.32500:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560All right, real quick.32600:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,680If I was on a jury listening to this, I find that kind of interesting just because I can32700:18:21,680 --> 00:18:27,280identify with what he's saying, not murder, but with, like, it made me think of my own dad32800:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,840because I don't know.32900:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,160My own dad, I think, would want his freaking ashes on a golf course.33000:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,200He would want a drink beer and be spread out on the golf course.33100:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,960And it made me kind of think about how jurors might react differently to that when a man's33200:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,240writing a suit, what looks like a suicide note, but he's also got murder on his mind.33300:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,840It's kind of an interesting dynamic.33400:18:47,840 --> 00:18:53,480But once Tim arrived, Larry then, they got in the truck and Larry took Tim back home and33500:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,360then he returned back to the camp in the truck, retrieved the shotgun, and he also says33600:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,960that he got some squirrel shot while he was there.33700:19:01,960 --> 00:19:08,920And he also, at that point, took about six or seven volume, I guess, to get relaxed.33800:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,280And remember, he was wanting to kill Joni and Marcio before he committed suicide.33900:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,000But now there was a rather large issue still standing in his way.34000:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,520And it's that he didn't know where Marcio was currently living.34100:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,040So how you gonna go kill somebody if you don't know where they are, right?34200:19:24,040 --> 00:19:30,400So that's when Larry decided to drive to both Smithland and Jefferson, Texas, where he34300:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,520picked up a gas can, he got some gasoline.34400:19:33,520 --> 00:19:41,840And Larry did know one thing that he didn't have to ask people about and he did know where34500:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,200Joni's mother lived.34600:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,760So he drove to that address, he parked down the road and he watched for any signs of people34700:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,240being home.34800:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,400I'm not sure if he was watching because he didn't want anyone to be home so that he wouldn't34900:19:55,400 --> 00:20:02,560get caught or if he just wanted to go be vindictive and do something to that home without actually35000:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,560hurting people.35100:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,280I really, I don't know, I think you would have to decide that one for yourself.35200:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,120But he did go up and knock on the door at one point in a report that I read and he realized35300:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,720okay, the house is unoccupied.35400:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,480So he got to the truck, he grabbed his gas can and then he walked up to the house.35500:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,320And once he got close, Larry opened that gas can up and he started pouring that gas all35600:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,320around the home of Joni's mother.35700:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,000And as soon as he had soaked it as good as he could, he flicked that match and he set that35800:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,920house on fire.35900:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,480After the blaze was burning good, he hid the gas can, he returned to the truck and just36000:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,520drove away.36100:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,040One important home to Joni was now going to go down in flames.36200:20:45,040 --> 00:20:54,320I personally think that that's of heavy importance because he wanted to and I feel like36300:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,960destroy every aspect of Joni's life that he could.36400:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,560I don't know he necessarily had beef with her mother, but that would certainly be stressful36500:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,640for Joni to know that her mother's house was burning to the ground.36600:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,840And we don't even know if mom was inside of sleep or Larry didn't know that.36700:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,560So he could have been killing people just because he was upset.36800:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,720Not cool, Larry.36900:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,640So now Larry has turned to sites.37000:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,440So I've got to find where Marcio lives.37100:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,280So he drove back to Smithland and he asked several people if they knew where he lived and he was37200:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,720able to get an address for him, but it wasn't actually Marcio's house.37300:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,960It was Marcio's mother's home.37400:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,480So to not kind of let people know that he had bad intentions when they would ask, what do37500:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,480you need him for?37600:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,080He said, oh, well, we're fishing buddies.37700:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,920We're supposed to go fishing together.37800:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,600And so they're like, okay, well, here's what his mom lives.37900:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,960You can probably go ask her and she can tell you where he is.38000:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,720So Larry jumped in that truck and immediately now set out for that location.38100:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,560So it did take him a little bit of time, but eventually Larry was able to find where his38200:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,560Marcio's mother was.38300:21:57,560 --> 00:22:04,040Her name was Ada and he was able to locate that home in the late afternoon of March 12th.38400:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,880So Larry arrived at the address and as he's pulling up, he immediately recognized Marcio38500:22:09,880 --> 00:22:15,680in the yard and not only was Marcio there, but he was working alongside his own mother.38600:22:15,680 --> 00:22:21,240They were repairing a fence and as a look would have it, as Larry approached the home and38700:22:21,240 --> 00:22:28,560got even closer, he also laid eyes on Joni who was walking around the house to the back and38800:22:28,560 --> 00:22:34,960she was helping with laundry of Ada, of Ada Marcio's mom.38900:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,000So Larry pulls up and he throws the truck in part and he gets out of the car and he enters39000:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,000the yard and he approaches Marcio and he begins asking him, hey man, why haven't you returned39100:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,640him any my phone calls?39200:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,680Well Marcio is obviously taking kind of a surprise and shock that Larry's at his mother's house39300:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,960and you know, Marcio does answer him.39400:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,400I'm sorry man, you know, I'm sorry I didn't call you back and supposedly Larry then says,39500:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,400look man, I'm not mad at you.39600:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,360I just, I want to know why you're not answering my phone calls.39700:23:06,360 --> 00:23:10,200And so Marcio again is shocked, but he says, look, I'm sorry I didn't call you back.39800:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,640I just didn't have time to call you back.39900:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,840I've been real busy.40000:23:12,840 --> 00:23:21,680Well, whenever he said that to him, it put Larry into a fury of an unnatural level and now40100:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,600I mean, I feel like it's because he knows that Marcio is probably lying to him.40200:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,240He doesn't want things to the call because he's dating his ex-girlfriend.40300:23:28,240 --> 00:23:36,160So Larry looks Marcio in his eyes and in that moment he makes a decision, you got to die.40400:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,000He would even later say, he being Larry, that you know, I would have shot him right there40500:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,040but his mother was behind him.40600:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,560So I didn't want to pull the trigger.40700:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,960Remember, it's a shotgun.40800:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,680I didn't want to pull the trigger because his mom was standing behind him and you know, he40900:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,520didn't have any beef with with a mama.41000:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,880He had beef with Marcio, even though he's saying he doesn't clearly he does.41100:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,760But first, he wanted to lay eyes on Joni.41200:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,520So he asked if Joni was there and Marcio says yes.41300:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,920And you know, she should have still been around the house, around the back doing the laundry.41400:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,080So Larry asked him, hey, man, do you care if I go talk to her and Marcio is no man, you41500:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,080can go back there.41600:24:11,080 --> 00:24:17,960So Larry gets in his truck and he drives around to the back of the home where he saw Joni.41700:24:17,960 --> 00:24:25,960Now I personally got the feeling that Joni could tell there was a problem just maybe in41800:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,000the essence of how Larry got out of the truck because when he got out, something signal41900:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,840to her that this was a problem because she took off running from him when he got out of42000:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,760the car.42100:24:38,760 --> 00:24:45,600And she rips open a screen porch door and she only had time to run onto that screen porch42200:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,200before Larry got out of that truck, ripped open that screen door and he yelled at her,42300:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,840Joni, you're a lying whore.42400:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,000And then he threw that shotgun up on his shoulder and he shot her with it.42500:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,960And seeing the damage that he had done, it still was not enough for him.42600:25:02,960 --> 00:25:09,000He pulled the trigger again, shooting her a second time with that shotgun.42700:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040Joni had no chance whatsoever.42800:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,640She was horrifically mortally wounded there on that porch where she collapsed, bleeding to42900:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,320death in the warmth of her own pooling blood.43000:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,440So real quick, I'm not going to go into like some expert talk here, but if you're not familiar43100:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,440with shotgun shells for the most part, you're going to have either a bird shot or you can43200:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280have buck shot or you could have a slug.43300:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,280Okay?43400:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,920So bird shot, if you're not familiar with it, hey, if you're watching me podcast, I'll draw43500:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,960you a little picture, but you've got your shotgun shell and bird shot, it's kind of tiny,43600:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,080but bird shot is going to be a whole bunch of t tiny little pellets in there.43700:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,280And you can think about it, they're trying to kill a bird with it.43800:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800You don't need something.43900:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,200You can even see that in my lighting is kind of crazy.44000:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,520And it's just tiny little pellets that are in there, but you shoot it and they disperse,44100:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,920and the further they go without making impact, the further that they disperse.44200:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,280Buck shot is going to be the same thing, but they're bigger.44300:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,320Think about taking down a buck, right?44400:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,320Taking down a deer.44500:26:09,320 --> 00:26:16,800And then a slug is going to be like a larger solid mass that would be shot out.44600:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,720Now, if you're not familiar with weaponry and you're going, oh, well, it was bird shot,44700:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,920it's intended to kill a bird.44800:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,600Yeah, not intended to be shot at a human being and definitely not twice.44900:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,520So I don't want the fact I'm saying bird shot to make you think that it's nothing.45000:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480It fucking hurt.45100:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,000And it killed her.45200:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,880And it was too blast to her body in less than 15 feet, in less than 10 feet.45300:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,560So all those propellants came out and they bam, bam, bam, they're just entering her body45400:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,880and then just shredding the skin and destroying everything that comes in its place.45500:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,000Now, if you're familiar with how all this works, then you're like, okay, Gally, it's not a big45600:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,240deal, but for people who aren't familiar with it, I want you to know that.45700:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,840It's no less just because it's bird shot.45800:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000So then I'll start going down a rabbit hole, okay?45900:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,240Because I don't know if you do this, but I do.46000:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,920And I'm like, I wonder what it feels like to be shot with a shotgun?46100:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,360And I know that's weird, but I do.46200:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,920Like I wonder what it feels like.46300:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,080And again, it's going to matter if you have bird shot or slugs or whatever, but regardless,46400:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,920I did find a core entry online.46500:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,840And I thought this was kind of interesting.46600:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840It was someone who had been shot by a shotgun.46700:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,640And so this is what his thoughts were on it.46800:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,800I thought I'd read it to you just for interesting, just because it was interesting.46900:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840He said, I can answer this from a firsthand experience.47000:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120When I was 15, I was out deer hunting with some friends with a shotgun.47100:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,400And in my case, they had slugs, okay?47200:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,200So they did have the bigger, the bigger round.47300:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,120But we were leaving the woods after a very cool day in the field.47400:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,560There was a partially fallen tree across the trail.47500:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,640I leaned down so I could get under it.47600:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,640And just as I got to the other side, I heard a deafening sound.47700:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,600I felt like I had been struck by lightning.47800:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,800Every nerve in my body fired at the same time.47900:27:58,800 --> 00:28:05,160It's hard to describe it, but it was like every bone in my body got hit with a sledgehammer.48000:28:05,160 --> 00:28:11,040The person behind me, as he was climbing over, excuse me, under that same tree, had his shotgun48100:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,440discharge.48200:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,280Now this was what was kind of crazy to me.48300:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320He didn't get shot directly with that slug.48400:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,440It was barely, it barely clipped my shoulder blade from a distance of just a couple of feet.48500:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,760So close, I actually had powder burns marked on my skin.48600:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,880I stood there for a moment with this, what the fuck just happened feeling?48700:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,360And in a moment realized, holy shit, you've been shot.48800:28:35,360 --> 00:28:40,680It was a long walk back to the road and around probably half a mile.48900:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,160I was going into shot.49000:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,760If you know anything about deer hunting, you know if the blood trail looks like red foam,49100:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,320like a shaving cream, that the animal has damaged lungs.49200:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,520I started coughing up blood and when I saw the foam, I knew I was in real trouble.49300:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,240I walked and stumbled as best he could to the road, then they tried to call for help.49400:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,520But he said the crazy thing was that he was grazed by the slug, like barely grazed by it,49500:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000the scapula, you know, his shoulder blade.49600:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,640And a piece of meat, the doctor said, was about the size of a chicken breast was blown out.49700:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,720The tissue anywhere around it was turned to mush, like frickin hamburger.49800:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,800It was a shattered bone and muscle turned to ground beef.49900:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,160So while this is probably a little bit different, because it's a different type of shell, it still50000:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,600shows the fear to me and the pain of being, he was just clipped, right?50100:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,200Not full on shot twice by a shotgun.50200:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,880And growing up, my daddy always told me something.50300:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,400He would always say, Kelly, you need to have a shotgun in your house for protection.50400:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,400And I'd be like, why a shotgun?50500:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,800Why wouldn't you want a different type of gun?50600:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,360And daddy always said this to me.50700:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,920Most universally recognizable sound that you will hear when that gun is being racked, the50800:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,280other person on the other end of it knows this is what death sounds like.50900:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,080And if you want to fuck around, you will find out when it comes to a shotgun.51000:29:56,080 --> 00:30:02,640And that sound would be it, you know, in a human on human combat interaction.51100:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,160So my thing is this was no mutual combat, right?51200:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,240This was a defenseless woman on a screened in Southern porch.51300:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,800And to me, that's where we rock in our rockers, y'all.51400:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,520And that's where we drink our sweet tea.51500:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,920That's not where we expect to be shot twice brutally by someone who we thought might love51600:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,960us or used to at least.51700:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,240So at the same time, after they're hearing these two blasts and realizing the extreme danger51800:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,240that Joni was in, Ada and Marcio both took off running from, you know, the front of the51900:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000house and they tore around to the back of the home.52000:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720And they were trying to get to Larry.52100:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,240And when they got back there, they wanted to help help Joni, but it was just too late.52200:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,720So as they rounded the corner, Larry was already back getting into the truck and he was starting52300:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,200to back out of the driveway.52400:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,840And Ada almost in shock is screaming, stop, stop, stop.52500:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,520So Larry does believe it or not.52600:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,560He stops the truck.52700:30:57,560 --> 00:31:04,640But to miss Ada's horror, she then sees Larry throw that shotgun up and point that shotgun52800:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,080out the window towards her and her son.52900:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,760So Larry knew that Marcio always carried a pistol.53000:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,680So he started firing at Marcio who had then taken off running.53100:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,760So Larry then fired at Marcio and literally, I mean, he's actually toward miss Ada at that53200:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,440point, but he's hitting Marcio's truck in the process because thinking quickly on his53300:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,880feet, Marcio ran to his truck and he pulled out that gun that he was known to have and53400:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,000he just started unloading on Larry as Larry was backing out of the driveway onto the main53500:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000roadway, right?53600:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,440Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, he's just unloading his weapon.53700:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,920He was, you know, Larry was trying to get away basically from the murder he had just committed,53800:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,400but as the truck tore away and it barreled down that road, Marcio shot again.53900:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,480And this time he did hit the back of Larry's truck as it tore off into the distance.54000:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,520Now with Larry gone in some distance between them and the immediate threat ended.54100:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,800Ada and Marcio again returned to go try to find Joni who they knew was mortally wounded,54200:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,720but they were praying that this wasn't the case.54300:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,760But when they came up on her, they found her.54400:32:12,760 --> 00:32:18,000She was lying face down and she was lying face down in some running water from the hot water54500:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360pipes which had been hit by Larry's gunfire.54600:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600And she was motionless.54700:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,640So devastated and sickened by the sight that he saw, Marcio walked up and carefully54800:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,760pulled Joni from that water flow.54900:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,000But he was able to tell when he pulled her away that she was gone, that she was no more.55000:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,120So in an effort to maintain her dignity and to show respect for her, Marcio grabbed55100:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,400a sheet that was there and he covered her lifeless body with it.55200:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,920And they immediately called 911 to try to get some help.55300:32:53,920 --> 00:33:00,280So in shock, they're there, you know how in the hell had Ada and Marcio and Joni gone55400:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,640from a normal day of yard work to this.55500:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,200What had just happened, right?55600:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200No attempts at saving Joni were going to be necessary.55700:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,240What Larry did to her was beyond repair and he finished what he started out to do.55800:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,600It was a blitz attack that left one woman dead and two others scared other ever-loven55900:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560minds and y'all had happened in a second.56000:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,200I mean, it probably happened quicker than it took me to tell the story just now.56100:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,240Your life can change in an instant.56200:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,360But the story is not over yet.56300:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,000So Larry now was moving to another location because killing himself now became his priority56400:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,240and at that point he then took a whole bottle of volume that he had after the shooting56500:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,920and he continued to drive two or three miles away.56600:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,440And he had originally broken into that first friend's house that I told you about not only56700:33:53,440 --> 00:34:00,880did he get a shotgun, but he also grabbed a piece of hose like a garden hose and he decided56800:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,000to take that piece of hose that he took and he connected it to his tailpipe of the truck56900:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,320he was in and he started the truck and an attempt to commit suicide.57000:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,680So he had some duct tape.57100:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,680He connected that hose to the end of the tailpipe.57200:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,600He duct taped it as best that he could and then he pulled the other end of the hose into57300:34:18,600 --> 00:34:25,580the truck window and he just started pumping that carbon monoxide into the cab of the truck.57400:34:25,580 --> 00:34:33,480But just as he started getting groggy, the truck started to overheat and he had to get out57500:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,480of the truck.57600:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,880There was an ice chest with water in the back of it.57700:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,400So he took that and tried to cool the engine and he allowed, you know, he cooled down, allowed57800:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,180him to get back in there and try a second suicide attempt.57900:34:43,180 --> 00:34:47,100But at that point the truck all together just quit running.58000:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,020So he had to make a new course of action.58100:34:49,020 --> 00:34:54,580So he grabbed the shotgun and then he walked until he reached a pay phone and there he called58200:34:54,580 --> 00:34:57,980his daughter Holly because he wanted to tell her goodbye.58300:34:57,980 --> 00:35:01,180And I'm telling you now Larry has done some horrific things.58400:35:01,180 --> 00:35:03,020My heart now is with Holly.58500:35:03,020 --> 00:35:05,020I don't know her, by the way.58600:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,420But can you imagine, right?58700:35:06,420 --> 00:35:11,540Because it turns out that Holly had gotten a phone call from her father the night before58800:35:11,540 --> 00:35:14,100the shooting ever took place and she said he was very upset.58900:35:14,100 --> 00:35:15,100He was crying.59000:35:15,100 --> 00:35:19,100He said that he was going crazy and he was asking Holly, man, get your mama.59100:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,300I need to talk to your mama.59200:35:20,300 --> 00:35:24,660I've tried to call her, but her phone number had changed and so he could not get a hold59300:35:24,660 --> 00:35:25,980of her.59400:35:25,980 --> 00:35:31,900So now here's Holly the next day and she's now receiving another call from her dad and59500:35:31,900 --> 00:35:33,900now he says, I've done something bad.59600:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,900I need to talk to your mother, which is interesting.59700:35:37,900 --> 00:35:38,900Y'all it's his ex-wife.59800:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,500They divorced one another.59900:35:40,500 --> 00:35:42,500But I feel I fail.60000:35:42,500 --> 00:35:43,500Oh my God.60100:35:43,500 --> 00:35:47,500The most country thing I think I've ever said in my life, I apologize.60200:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,860But I feel like she divorced Larry because Larry wasn't doing what he was supposed to be60300:35:51,860 --> 00:35:52,860doing.60400:35:52,860 --> 00:35:55,800I don't know that for a fact, but that's what I get the feeling of, but he still is dependent60500:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,500on her, I guess, for emotional support.60600:35:58,500 --> 00:36:02,340So Holly is like, okay, Daddy, let me try to get a hold of mom.60700:36:02,340 --> 00:36:03,780I'm going to have her call you.60800:36:03,780 --> 00:36:10,260So the caller ID indicated to Holly that her dad was calling from that pay phone and Larry60900:36:10,260 --> 00:36:14,260was crying.61000:36:14,260 --> 00:36:17,260He was really upset and Holly said, okay, let me get mama.61100:36:17,260 --> 00:36:19,260I'm going to have her call you, but there was an issue.61200:36:19,260 --> 00:36:24,260That pay phone that Larry was standing at would not accept calls.61300:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,260It would only let him make calls out.61400:36:26,260 --> 00:36:30,260So no phone call ever came back through to Larry.61500:36:30,260 --> 00:36:33,060So unable to speak to his ex-wife and right after killing his former lover, Larry decided he61600:36:33,060 --> 00:36:36,740was going to go out with a bang literally.61700:36:36,740 --> 00:36:38,540He decided, all right, I'm just going to shoot myself.61800:36:38,540 --> 00:36:39,540I'm done.61900:36:39,540 --> 00:36:40,540I'm still self now.62000:36:40,540 --> 00:36:47,260And part of me wants to feel bad for him, but I can't because you did this to yourself.62100:36:47,260 --> 00:36:51,580You brought this on yourself and you've just killed somebody and you've also burned down62200:36:51,580 --> 00:36:52,580her mother's home.62300:36:52,580 --> 00:36:53,780So there's another victim there.62400:36:53,780 --> 00:36:56,180Your daughter is now a victim.62500:36:56,180 --> 00:36:59,060She's going to go through her life horrified.62600:36:59,060 --> 00:37:02,860I'm sure that she, if only that phone would have rang, maybe something different could have62700:37:02,860 --> 00:37:03,860happened.62800:37:03,860 --> 00:37:04,860I don't know.62900:37:04,860 --> 00:37:08,140But Larry decided at this point he was going to shoot himself and end his life, but he ran63000:37:08,140 --> 00:37:13,780into another issue that when he tried to place the shotgun under his throat, it made it where63100:37:13,780 --> 00:37:17,380he was unable to effectively pull the trigger because of the length of the weapon.63200:37:17,380 --> 00:37:21,380So thinking about other options, that's when Larry said, okay, let me just get an extension63300:37:21,380 --> 00:37:23,140and then I could pull the trigger.63400:37:23,140 --> 00:37:27,380So he walked around and he did find a stick that I read.63500:37:27,380 --> 00:37:31,700He needed one that was kind of like a y-shaped stick and he was going to use that to be the63600:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,500extension to pull the trigger.63700:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,780So doing this though is a little bit easier said than done.63800:37:36,780 --> 00:37:42,620So as he positioned the gun to try to do the extension, right, to make it shoot, the gun63900:37:42,620 --> 00:37:45,940prematurely fired, but it did make contact with Larry.64000:37:45,940 --> 00:37:51,100It actually struck him in the chest and it knocked him backwards.64100:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,660So Larry is now also potentially mortally wounded and he's going to need life saving care64200:37:55,660 --> 00:37:57,460if he ever he was to survive.64300:37:57,460 --> 00:38:02,180Now if this was a movie, Larry would have slumped down and slid to the ground and his eyes64400:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,820would have slowly glazed over and he'd be dead, right?64500:38:04,820 --> 00:38:09,180But that's not how the order of the world works.64600:38:09,180 --> 00:38:13,420When he did that, a few minutes later, the Cato pair of Sheriff's Office received a report64700:38:13,420 --> 00:38:17,860of a gun fired in the vicinity of a nearby bar named Mud Puppies.64800:38:17,860 --> 00:38:21,420And someone in there had heard the shot and they called 911.64900:38:21,420 --> 00:38:24,740Obviously shots fired would have been of concern, right?65000:38:24,740 --> 00:38:29,100Specifically around a bar where people are drinking, so deputies went out to investigate65100:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,300that report.65200:38:30,300 --> 00:38:34,700And when deputies arrived, they searched the area and eventually they did find Larry lying65300:38:34,700 --> 00:38:39,100near that pay phone with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.65400:38:39,100 --> 00:38:43,860So an ambulance was immediately called as well as Sergeant Gary Freak who was notified65500:38:43,860 --> 00:38:45,780about a man with a gunshot wound.65600:38:45,780 --> 00:38:51,060So he and another Cato Sheriff's Office investigator named John May went to the scene where they65700:38:51,060 --> 00:38:53,100too walked up and they did.65800:38:53,100 --> 00:38:57,660In fact, observe a white male laying on the ground with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.65900:38:57,660 --> 00:39:02,540Well there was a deputy James McLean who had arrived on scene right before them and66000:39:02,540 --> 00:39:05,740I mean, he might have been one of the first ones on scene if not the first and he had applied66100:39:05,740 --> 00:39:09,060a towel and pressure to the wound that Larry had.66200:39:09,060 --> 00:39:12,900But Larry had continued to scream, please just let me die, just let me die.66300:39:12,900 --> 00:39:14,420But you know, officers aren't going to do that, right?66400:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,220They're going to try to assist you.66500:39:17,220 --> 00:39:21,700So he was able to get those two investigators up to date with the fact that, you know,66600:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,980the shot male was Larry Sharp.66700:39:23,980 --> 00:39:28,980Now Sergeant Freak walked around and he found the gun that Larry had shot himself with.66800:39:28,980 --> 00:39:34,140It was roughly 200 feet away from where Larry was laying and he did identify it as that66900:39:34,140 --> 00:39:36,18012 gauge pump shotgun.67000:39:36,180 --> 00:39:41,500Coincidentally though, investigator May who was on scene had earlier in that evening67100:39:41,500 --> 00:39:49,820around 6 p.m. been called to the scene of a shooting where he found the body of Joni.67200:39:49,820 --> 00:39:54,100So he was actually the one that responded to the death scene of Joni, Marcio identified67300:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,460Larry Sharp as the guy who had done this.67400:39:56,460 --> 00:40:00,580And then now here he is to another guy that's been shot and sure enough, he knows what's67500:40:00,580 --> 00:40:01,580going on.67600:40:01,580 --> 00:40:07,540Now, what was even crazier about this was that Larry was still awake.67700:40:07,540 --> 00:40:09,620He was lucid.67800:40:09,620 --> 00:40:10,620He was able to talk.67900:40:10,620 --> 00:40:11,700Maybe it was all the volume.68000:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,500I don't know, but he's got a gunshot chest to the, what?68100:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,900A gunshot wound at the chest and he's still able to talk.68200:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,260Y'all, he was alert, according to the reports.68300:40:20,260 --> 00:40:21,260He was alert.68400:40:21,260 --> 00:40:22,420He was conscious.68500:40:22,420 --> 00:40:26,740And although he was in a lot of pain, he still was able to be Miranda's.68600:40:26,740 --> 00:40:30,140They gave him his rights and they asked him, hey, did you shoot yourself?68700:40:30,140 --> 00:40:31,140He said, yes.68800:40:31,140 --> 00:40:32,700They said, did you shoot Joni?68900:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,260He said, yes, a very matter of factly.69000:40:35,260 --> 00:40:37,140And they were like, why did you shoot her?69100:40:37,140 --> 00:40:41,380And he even explained while he was being worked on, I shot her because she ran off with my69200:40:41,380 --> 00:40:43,460best friend.69300:40:43,460 --> 00:40:47,980He also said that the gun that he had just shot himself with was in fact the same one that69400:40:47,980 --> 00:40:51,100he had killed Joni with earlier that day.69500:40:51,100 --> 00:40:56,220And officers were able to retrieve several notes from Larry's pockets and deputies located69600:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,940the truck Larry drove nearby the bar where he was found.69700:40:59,940 --> 00:41:04,540And the officers noted that the truck had several bullet holes in the bed of it and that69800:41:04,540 --> 00:41:07,820hose was still connected to the tailpipe.69900:41:07,820 --> 00:41:12,580This was Larry's truck and exactly what Marcio said happened seemed to be panning out70000:41:12,580 --> 00:41:15,420right there with what they were seeing evidence wise.70100:41:15,420 --> 00:41:20,580So Larry was arrested but transported to the LSU Medical Center where he continued to70200:41:20,580 --> 00:41:22,300receive treatment.70300:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,820And at the hospital when doctors were trying to save Larry, he just kept pleading with the70400:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,620emergency responders, please just let me die.70500:41:28,620 --> 00:41:29,620Just let me die.70600:41:29,620 --> 00:41:30,860I don't want to live.70700:41:30,860 --> 00:41:33,820But as the order of the world would have it, Larry would survive.70800:41:33,820 --> 00:41:36,540His self-inflicted injury.70900:41:36,540 --> 00:41:39,740And Larry never contested the fact that he shot Joni.71000:41:39,740 --> 00:41:44,540And while he remained in the hospital, officers continued their investigation, including finding71100:41:44,540 --> 00:41:46,780letters left at the hunting camp by Larry.71200:41:46,780 --> 00:41:49,340Remember he wrote those letters before he barbed the truck.71300:41:49,340 --> 00:41:53,820In one red, this is a direct quote, "I would have killed you, Marcio, but your mom was in the71400:41:53,820 --> 00:41:57,060way you sorry bastard."71500:41:57,060 --> 00:42:01,100Another one red, who it was like it was speaking to the reader of the note whenever they found71600:42:01,100 --> 00:42:02,700it.71700:42:02,700 --> 00:42:08,180Please go to my apartment to see how many times Joni had called me and it also said Joni71800:42:08,180 --> 00:42:13,060came over about two weeks earlier and had sex with him several times.71900:42:13,060 --> 00:42:18,340So I'm certainly not victim blaming here but it does seem to muddy it up, right?72000:42:18,340 --> 00:42:23,060Maybe she was kind of going between the two men trying to, you know, couldn't cut ties.72100:42:23,060 --> 00:42:27,340The note ended so I'm not the only bad one here.72200:42:27,340 --> 00:42:29,820So he did recognize what he did was wrong.72300:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,900Another note said, and this was kind of chicken shit.72400:42:33,900 --> 00:42:37,660But Marcio, I hope you dream about it every night.72500:42:37,660 --> 00:42:43,020By the way, police, he sells two pounds of weed and then there was plus something else but72600:42:43,020 --> 00:42:44,780it was, it was not legible.72700:42:44,780 --> 00:42:48,660So he then calls Marcio out for being a drug dealer.72800:42:48,660 --> 00:42:51,100Don't sell drugs, Marcio.72900:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,380Allegedly.73000:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,180A final one said, "Tell Roj."73100:42:56,180 --> 00:42:58,100And I think it's Roj, ROGE.73200:42:58,100 --> 00:43:03,460Tell Roj, who I would find out later, is a Texas police officer who knew Larry's ex-wife73300:43:03,460 --> 00:43:05,740and had arrested him before.73400:43:05,740 --> 00:43:09,340It said, "Tell Roj, if I could have gotten to town, he was next."73500:43:09,340 --> 00:43:13,460So he was only an absolute death spiral of wanting to go kill all these people.73600:43:13,460 --> 00:43:17,340But Larry would eventually recover and he would be released from the hospital where he would73700:43:17,340 --> 00:43:20,300face trial for the charges of second degree murder.73800:43:20,300 --> 00:43:25,260And there was a forensic psychologist named Dr. Mark Vigan, or Vi-Vigan, I don't know,73900:43:25,260 --> 00:43:32,780V-I-G-E-N, who testified on behalf of the defense that argued Larry suffered from narcissistic74000:43:32,780 --> 00:43:36,060personality disorder and a chemical dependency on drugs.74100:43:36,060 --> 00:43:37,260And alcohol, we already knew that, right?74200:43:37,260 --> 00:43:39,420We could have figured that out just listening to this.74300:43:39,420 --> 00:43:45,660Now, he testified that Larry was very hurt and surprised and just became enraged whenever74400:43:45,660 --> 00:43:51,420Joni rejected him finally for Marcio, especially since I guess they had been hooking up right74500:43:51,420 --> 00:43:53,100then prior to that.74600:43:53,100 --> 00:43:58,500But there was something that Dr. Vigan, or Vi-Vigan, said that was really interesting to me,74700:43:58,500 --> 00:44:02,900and I won't harp on it, but he gave this analogy to explain how someone could be acting74800:44:02,900 --> 00:44:07,620like so impulsively, but not be in total control of the entire situation.74900:44:07,620 --> 00:44:09,460Now I wanted to share this explanation with you.75000:44:09,460 --> 00:44:13,780It's for you to ponder, I'm not telling you what to think, but I kind of was struck by it.75100:44:13,780 --> 00:44:18,220He argued that Larry could distinguish between right and wrong in the sense that he was75200:44:18,220 --> 00:44:23,740making judgments, such as not to shoot Marcio's, you know, mom because he didn't shoot at Marcio75300:44:23,740 --> 00:44:26,100because his mother was right there.75400:44:26,100 --> 00:44:32,700But he also said that he was going to give this analogy to try to put yourself in the shoes75500:44:32,700 --> 00:44:33,700of Larry.75600:44:33,700 --> 00:44:39,540He said, "Imagine you were driving a car down the street when suddenly bees and wasps entered75700:44:39,540 --> 00:44:42,060the car and started to attack you.75800:44:42,060 --> 00:44:46,500The driver may have an accident or he may manage to control the car and get rid of the bees.75900:44:46,500 --> 00:44:53,220He can still drive, he can still plan, but his planning, his judgment and his impulsiveness76000:44:53,220 --> 00:44:55,820will be very poor."76100:44:55,820 --> 00:45:00,820So man, on a psychological level, I thought, damn, that was pretty good explanation of what76200:45:00,820 --> 00:45:08,780I guess Larry was going through, but, but, right, the proverbial butt, which by the way,76300:45:08,780 --> 00:45:12,620Dr. Phil said this one time, "There's a different dream but and however.76400:45:12,620 --> 00:45:15,580If someone says but, it means disregard everything before it.76500:45:15,580 --> 00:45:19,220So I love you but, I don't want to be with you means I don't love you.76600:45:19,220 --> 00:45:24,540But if someone says, "I love you, however, I don't want to be with you," that means don't76700:45:24,540 --> 00:45:26,740disregard what I said before it.76800:45:26,740 --> 00:45:27,740It still counts.76900:45:27,740 --> 00:45:29,980So I'm going to throw that big butt in here.77000:45:29,980 --> 00:45:38,020To me, Larry, whether he was hurt or not, I'm not doubting that this man was in the throes77100:45:38,020 --> 00:45:40,220of an all-out-emotional turmoil.77200:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,300No doubt whatsoever.77300:45:42,300 --> 00:45:47,540But he carried out his actions over an extended period of time and he calculated those actions77400:45:47,540 --> 00:45:48,540in my opinion.77500:45:48,540 --> 00:45:52,820I mean, he didn't shoot at Marcio because his mother was behind him and he didn't want77600:45:52,820 --> 00:45:56,580to hurt someone who he felt wasn't involved or guilty.77700:45:56,580 --> 00:46:00,780So that tells you there's a level of planning there and clearly to the normal person, Larry's77800:46:00,780 --> 00:46:04,460thinking is unreasonable but it's pretty obvious that he was capable of understanding the77900:46:04,460 --> 00:46:11,020consequences of what he did because he also begged to die multiple times and the officers78000:46:11,020 --> 00:46:12,460and the doctors were still trying to treat him.78100:46:12,460 --> 00:46:14,020He was begging to die.78200:46:14,020 --> 00:46:19,020So the disorders that the doctors at trial diagnosed Larry with, you know, I'm not going78300:46:19,020 --> 00:46:20,540to argue that what they said wasn't true.78400:46:20,540 --> 00:46:22,660I think they made absolutely valid points.78500:46:22,660 --> 00:46:27,540Others are not though, they did not diminish his capacity in my opinion to control his own78600:46:27,540 --> 00:46:28,540behavior.78700:46:28,540 --> 00:46:31,540And I know this sounds really ugly but Larry could have just killed himself.78800:46:31,540 --> 00:46:34,380He did not have to go kill other people if he was so wounded by this.78900:46:34,380 --> 00:46:36,580And I know that sounds ugly but it's the truth.79000:46:36,580 --> 00:46:38,580I feel the same thing about school shooters.79100:46:38,580 --> 00:46:39,900No one should have bullied you.79200:46:39,900 --> 00:46:41,460No one should have talked shit about you.79300:46:41,460 --> 00:46:42,460But you know what?79400:46:42,460 --> 00:46:44,980When you get to the point where you want to start hurting other people including innocent79500:46:44,980 --> 00:46:51,220people and innocent bystanders, go fucking shoot yourself, leave the innocent people alone.79600:46:51,220 --> 00:46:56,540So the jury agreed with this belief I have as well in that the verdict with an 11 to79700:46:56,540 --> 00:47:01,460one favor convicted him of that second degree murder and he was sentenced to life in prison79800:47:01,460 --> 00:47:05,340and he is still serving that sentence today at Angola.79900:47:05,340 --> 00:47:06,700But I want to tell you something.80000:47:06,700 --> 00:47:13,540The story doesn't end there for me because my life personally actually intersects with80100:47:13,540 --> 00:47:15,540Larry's years later.80200:47:15,540 --> 00:47:19,180When this case took place, I would have been a sophomore in high school.80300:47:19,180 --> 00:47:21,180All right, I had no concept of this.80400:47:21,180 --> 00:47:24,140I was a dumb teenager, run around doing whatever.80500:47:24,140 --> 00:47:28,860But years later, I had graduated college and I was working at a place known as Louisiana80600:47:28,860 --> 00:47:31,180State Penitentiary at Angola.80700:47:31,180 --> 00:47:35,020And I know a lot of people who listen to this know bloody Angola, right?80800:47:35,020 --> 00:47:39,580No gym and no woody and that they're slaying everything about the Angola prison.80900:47:39,580 --> 00:47:44,460But I had a job there and I worked there in classification which means I interacted with81000:47:44,460 --> 00:47:46,460inmates day in and day out.81100:47:46,460 --> 00:47:53,300And one of those inmates that I interacted with was an inmate by the name of Larry Sharp.81200:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,540Now, I never knew Larry's case until recently.81300:47:57,540 --> 00:47:58,540Why?81400:47:58,540 --> 00:48:04,000Because I made it a point to not look up my inmate's cases because I didn't want it to81500:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,660affect me doing my job.81600:48:06,660 --> 00:48:08,220And we're emotional people.81700:48:08,220 --> 00:48:10,020You have to separate the two.81800:48:10,020 --> 00:48:12,420There is one in inmate that I did do a whole bunch of research on.81900:48:12,420 --> 00:48:13,420I'm going to tell you all that story another day.82000:48:13,420 --> 00:48:14,740I've got it in the books right now.82100:48:14,740 --> 00:48:17,100You're going to like that one.82200:48:17,100 --> 00:48:22,980But I knew Larry Sharp, DOC number 4443025.82300:48:22,980 --> 00:48:27,060And I was stunned when I looked at this case up and I've got a visual I'm going to show82400:48:27,060 --> 00:48:28,060you.82500:48:28,060 --> 00:48:30,020If you're on Patreon, I'm going to let you see this, okay?82600:48:30,020 --> 00:48:32,860But I'm kind of a sentimental person when things happen.82700:48:32,860 --> 00:48:37,220You know, I keep little notes and I'm so glad I did because I'm able to be a better teacher82800:48:37,220 --> 00:48:40,020as a result of it.82900:48:40,020 --> 00:48:49,540And Larry Sharp actually wrote me and made me a card on a computer in the prison library.83000:48:49,540 --> 00:48:53,300And I was stunned when he gave it to me.83100:48:53,300 --> 00:48:58,340I remember Larry and again, I didn't know the story right until I've told it to you and I researched83200:48:58,340 --> 00:48:59,340it.83300:48:59,340 --> 00:49:03,060And if you would have told me that he was capable of doing what I just read, you know,83400:49:03,060 --> 00:49:06,580read to you, I would have called bullshit.83500:49:06,580 --> 00:49:08,100Bullshit all day long.83600:49:08,100 --> 00:49:14,140If you would have told me he maybe did embezzlement, I'd say, yeah, for sure.83700:49:14,140 --> 00:49:17,980If you said he did some other type of white collar crime or something like that, I'd say all83800:49:17,980 --> 00:49:19,700day long, I could see him doing it.83900:49:19,700 --> 00:49:26,860But the Larry Sharp I met does not fit the bill of what I just read to you.84000:49:26,860 --> 00:49:31,580And that should be important because all I do is preach in this podcast that you don't84100:49:31,580 --> 00:49:37,340know what people are capable of when they are in the throes of a meltdown.84200:49:37,340 --> 00:49:40,900And just because you don't think someone is capable of doing something doesn't mean that84300:49:40,900 --> 00:49:42,900they're not.84400:49:42,900 --> 00:49:44,940It's insanity to think otherwise.84500:49:44,940 --> 00:49:48,740But why did Larry give me this card?84600:49:48,740 --> 00:49:50,940The front of it says we'll miss you.84700:49:50,940 --> 00:49:52,700Proper grammar and everything.84800:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,380It's typed.84900:49:54,380 --> 00:49:58,980And on the back it says, created expressly for and it has my name.85000:49:58,980 --> 00:50:03,300And it's got his name in his DOC number, but he typed this, he even signed it with a smiley85100:50:03,300 --> 00:50:04,300face.85200:50:04,300 --> 00:50:09,380This is what the man who I just read to you, what barbarianism he just showed toward a woman.85300:50:09,380 --> 00:50:11,540Listen what he wrote me.85400:50:11,540 --> 00:50:13,980Miss Kelly.85500:50:13,980 --> 00:50:20,100I appreciate the kindness, concern and compassion you showed to the inmates while working with85600:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,420us.85700:50:21,420 --> 00:50:27,100It should be an example to the other employees that these qualities can be exhibited while85800:50:27,100 --> 00:50:30,260still doing the job in a professional manner.85900:50:30,260 --> 00:50:35,900Sometimes just showing genuine interest in an inmate's request for a special visit or a job86000:50:35,900 --> 00:50:39,100change can mean a lot to them.86100:50:39,100 --> 00:50:44,820These characteristics along with your personality will ensure a successful life in the business86200:50:44,820 --> 00:50:45,820world.86300:50:45,820 --> 00:50:48,540Again, thank you and we will miss you.86400:50:48,540 --> 00:50:52,460May God bless you, Larry Sharp.86500:50:52,460 --> 00:50:55,740And I remember when he handed me this because I was leaving the prison.86600:50:55,740 --> 00:50:59,420It was my last day working and I had not told any inmates because I was like, hey, if somebody86700:50:59,420 --> 00:51:03,020wants to kill me, I don't want to give them the opportunity, right?86800:51:03,020 --> 00:51:07,060But he handed me this through a fence and I remember just being dumb struck by it that he86900:51:07,060 --> 00:51:10,340took the time and you know, it's like the great vine in prison, y'all.87000:51:10,340 --> 00:51:14,940I mean, they figure everything out before you, you don't have to say a word and they're87100:51:14,940 --> 00:51:15,940going to figure it out.87200:51:15,940 --> 00:51:17,700I still don't know how he knew.87300:51:17,700 --> 00:51:24,580But that man went down and typed me this card and when he said, thank you for showing87400:51:24,580 --> 00:51:31,820the kindness and the compassion and concern you showed to us.87500:51:31,820 --> 00:51:37,380It makes you wonder, you know, where was that mentality when you pulled the trigger on87600:51:37,380 --> 00:51:38,980Joni?87700:51:38,980 --> 00:51:43,780You know, not once but twice.87800:51:43,780 --> 00:51:47,020You know, you would like that from people, Larry.87900:51:47,020 --> 00:51:50,580And I'm so thankful I was able to show it to you because I think that if you want love,88000:51:50,580 --> 00:51:54,140you have to give love and if you want appreciation and kindness and concern, you have to show88100:51:54,140 --> 00:51:55,580that for other people.88200:51:55,580 --> 00:52:02,180But I just, if this is not an example to you listening, there can be two sides to a coin88300:52:02,180 --> 00:52:05,860listen to what I'm telling you.88400:52:05,860 --> 00:52:09,180Time can absolutely change a person.88500:52:09,180 --> 00:52:12,660But what about those who never got the chance to grow and change?88600:52:12,660 --> 00:52:21,860The Larry I saw is not the Larry that did this dastardly deed but it doesn't undo it.88700:52:21,860 --> 00:52:26,680And those that had their life brutally ended at the hands of someone in a jealous suicidal88800:52:26,680 --> 00:52:32,820rage, this is where, you know, I genuinely struggle with the understanding of where, where88900:52:32,820 --> 00:52:38,100does the line of forgiveness meet, unforgivable?89000:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,140And Joni, y'all, she's no more.89100:52:41,140 --> 00:52:46,500She's been gone now for almost 23 years but that in no way lessens her importance to this89200:52:46,500 --> 00:52:48,020world.89300:52:48,020 --> 00:52:49,820And this is a time I'll tell you, I can see it.89400:52:49,820 --> 00:52:54,220I don't know and I don't think it's my job to decide that.89500:52:54,220 --> 00:52:56,600It's, it's Joni's job.89600:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,660And the, the unchanging reality though is that she's not here to tell us how she feels89700:53:01,660 --> 00:53:08,620or whether she would want to grant mercy to someone who so blatantly deprived it, you89800:53:08,620 --> 00:53:11,260know, deprived her of it.89900:53:11,260 --> 00:53:19,060My experience with Larry and older sober man is vastly different than what Joni experienced90000:53:19,060 --> 00:53:21,180for damn sure.90100:53:21,180 --> 00:53:26,620And that's something that I realize daily in true crime cases.90200:53:26,620 --> 00:53:32,900So I'll tell you this, I don't know what she would say but I do know this.90300:53:32,900 --> 00:53:36,780Over time the axe forgets but the tree always remembers.90400:53:37,180 --> 00:53:46,780[MUSIC]90500:53:46,780 --> 00:53:49,360(dramatic music)90600:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,060(dramatic music)