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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell
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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are
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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so
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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended
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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm
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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's
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kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable. If you
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have been listening to this show and you're up to
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date on episodes, then that is that's a cool thing
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because that means that the last episode you heard was
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about Daniel Marsh who murdered mister Chip and Miss Claudia.
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And the reason I'm bringing this up again is because
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you know, he was trying to claim that he was rehabilitated,
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and that came only whenever a new law passed and
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he realized that there was a new opportunity for him
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to be released if you know, he was rehabilitated, and
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so that jump started him into pretending basically that he was.
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And I do hope that you learn some things whenever
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I'm covering these cases, not just true crime fan just
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because of the story, but I hope that I can
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teach you a thing or two along the way. I
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hope it opened your eyes to the manipulation attempts by
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many offenders, and how important it is that we look
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at the psychology of someone who killed and we really
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invest our time into understanding who these people are. On
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some level, even if it's just the fact that we
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can understand them, we cannot we cannot empathize, we cannot sympathize,
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we cannot understand how someone could do the things that
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they did. But at least when the games are played
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by these people and they're playing chess from behind bars,
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that you realize the reason that I'm that I'm stressing
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the importance of the victims that are behind all of this,
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and and my I'm tipping my hat, you know, to
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Sarah Rice for speaking with me, and and for being
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upfront and and honest and very vulnerable that her life
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was greatly affected by what happened after the conviction, and
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it still still is today. The people who are left
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behind the loved ones go through so much, and a
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lot of people don't realize it. They think that after
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the trial, when the coverage wanes and it kind of
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fades off in the public eye, that it's gone and
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it's over with, and it's absolutely not over with. As
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more time passes, more people forget or it fades all
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the horrors that are inflicted, because you know, time goes by,
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and it goes by slowly for some while others it's
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just the blink of an eye. Well, this case is
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probably going to fall into that same category. So to
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that point, I want you all to come with me
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to Missoula, Montana. Now we're going to go back into
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nineteen ninety nine to start and to get yourself situated
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with that time. Let's let's talk about some big moments
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that you may or may not remember from nineteen ninety
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nine so that you can really put yourself in that era. Okay,
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The Sopranos made its debut on HBO in January of
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that year. In April, just a few months later, the
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Columbine High School massacre would leave everybody just stunned and
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in shock. It was all over the news and then
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just when we're gripping with that July would come around.
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Some people may not know this one, but some may.
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But in July of ninety nine, the electric chair was
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used for the very last time in Florida when Alan
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Lee Davis was executed. So some big things happened in
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the US during this timeframe, but it was a year
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full of ups and downs, you know, there were some
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good things that happened too. And that was the same
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year that thirty three year old Paul Harris found himself
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grinning ear to ear And it was October whenever. He
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just was smiling so big. He had a lot to
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be happy about to y'all, because he had just become
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a brand new father. But not just a one baby.
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He had gotten two. That is right, He had two
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brand new baby girls that he lived for. This was
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a guy that was built to be a daddy and
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he loved these two girls. Now, while he and his
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girlfriend Tracy had not yet tied the knot, they had
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been dating for two years, they were very very much
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committed to one another. And now I mean they were
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just over the moon. They both. These babies brought them
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such joy. Everyone knows that twins make it that much
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more special, and this was the beginning of something amazing.
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And life was good. Do you hear me? Just so good?
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And looking at Paul in some ways, he had kind
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of a Morgan Wallen quality to him. To give you
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a little visual. He had a mustache, a wavy hair,
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easygoing and fun dude. And Paul was someone that just
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loved a good laugh. I'm talking about someone who just
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loved a good laugh. If he wasn't smiling at life
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in general or picking on his sister, then he got
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a huge chuckle out of practical jokes. That was his jam.
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He thought that that was just the best. And he
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was a great brother. He was loved very very much
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by his family, especially his sister Leslie, and the bond
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that they had while growing up was one that you
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would really look at, like how it's romanticized in movies,
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the brother and the sister who may have fought, yet
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they always had each other's back. So on the evening
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of the night before Thanksgiving, Paul was going to spend
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some time at a local watering hole, hanging out and
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relaxing with friends before the next day's celebration, sure to
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be full of good food and giving thanks and just
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all the joys that the holidays bring, and then it
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would officially become Christmas season, and you just know that
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Paul and Tracy were gonna go nuts. They were gonna
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go buy gifts for those two baby Girlsays were going
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to be in full swing, and it was just a wonderful,
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wonderful time. Now in the bar where Paul was hanging out,
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the music was playing and the patrons were milling around.
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You could hear the crack of the pool balls hitting
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one another on the pool tables. There's just the hum
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of people chatting and smoking and laughing and just having
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a good time, and everything in the place was chill.
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The vibe one point, so the door opened and in
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walked a guy known in town and already was an
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acquaintance of Paul. This guy's name was Michael, and Michael
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was known to ride his bike for transportation. So, in
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typical fashion, as Michael walked into the bar, he was
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rolling his bike beside him and then he rested it
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up against the wall right there on the side of
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the bar. So Paul looked up. He gave a nod
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to Michael, who then approached him and was like, hey, man,
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what's going on and not much, just a little bit
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of chit chat. And then he said, look, would you
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mind helping me keep an eye on my bike because
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I want to go over there and play some pool,
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but I'm gonna leave the bike inside. Paul's like, yeah, man,
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no problem whatever, And so he's gonna help watch the bike,
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and then Michael walks over and it's gonna start up
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some friendly competition with the others on the pool table,
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and who knows, maybe he could even shark up some
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money in the process. Maybe it was his day to
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make some money. So the bartender was doing his thing,
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pouring drinks. Everyone's having a good time until the bartender
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happened to look over and there was a tip jar
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that was kept right there on the counter, and that
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tip jar had money in it because the night had
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been rolling and now that tip jar was empty. So
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I have no way of knowing how much money was
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in that jar, but I mean, it could have been
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anything from twenty bucks to two hundred. But regardless, that's
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how the bartender really made his money. I mean, he
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was very upset about the whole thing. You just don't
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steal tips. We all know that. So while he was
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trying to determine who may have taken the cash. At
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some point, Michael was believed to have been the person
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that was nearest to the jar or the bar whenever
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it was last seen, and so it was kind of
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believed that he may have been the one who took
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the cash, and the bartender was not gonna let this slide,
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so he came from behind the bar. He approached Michael
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and accused him basically of taking the money, and he said,
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I want the money back. This is not cool. That's
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how I make my living. Well, Michael, as you can guess,
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got pissed and he said, look, I didn't take your money.
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I didn't touch that jar. I didn't take the cash.
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And if you ever come up to me and you're
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gonna accuse me of something, you better make damn sure
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that you have your information straight. And to give you
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a little more information on Michael, I mean, he was
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rough around the edges. He was not someone who would
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cower to any accusation whatsoever. He just wasn't that personality.
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Growing up. He came from a life that was less
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than ideal that you know, didn't know his dad type situation.
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Michael was already an alcoholic. He was not above fighting
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for sure, and so he was pissed and he let
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everybody know he was pissed that he had been accused,
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and he denied it, flagrantly denied that he had taken
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any of that cash, and he went back to playing pool. Well,
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a little more time passed and the bartender came up
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and approached him again. So Michael's like, you know, with
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the fuck now he's mad about it, you know, blah
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blah blah blah blah. But this time the bartender actually
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was not in accusation mode. It was actually quite the opposite.
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The bartender in that time that had passed, realized he
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had made a huge mistake, and with his head down,
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hat in hand, as they would say, he approached Michael
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man to man and he said, look, man, I just
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want to apologize. I need to apologize to you. The
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person who took the cash has been found. He admitted
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to taking the money, and I want to say that
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I am sorry. I'm sorry that I accused you, and
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I would like to just address you, Manda Man and
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say I'm sorry I was wrong. Well, Michael was still
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really really agitated, and although the apology was given and
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it was genuine. It did not help Michael's mood much.
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He did not improve at all. And the more he
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thought about it, the matter he got. And he was
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drinking and he was playing pool, and he just would
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not necessarily accept that apology for what it was. In
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the meantime, Paul was still in the bar, and he
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was oblivious to any of that that was going on, okay,
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and he hadn't been a part of it, so he
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was kind of oblivious, and he was in the midst
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of setting up to pull a prank on Michael. Yes,
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he had agreed that he would watch Michael's bike, but
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he thought, oh, man, wouldn't it be funny if the
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bike disappeared and no one knew where it went, right,
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And so all the buddies that are standing there start chuckling,
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And so Paul and another buddy snuck the bike out
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of the door while Michael was playing pool, and they
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were chuckling and laughing, and they went and they took
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the bike and they put it in the back of
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that friend's truck outside. And the plan was that whenever
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Michael went to look for it, they were gonna all
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get played dumb and say, oh my God, what happened
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to the bike? We don't know what happened before, you know,
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busting out, laughing and giving the bike back. It was
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just one of those practical jokes, right. They once the
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bike was in the truck, they all went back to
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acting normal. They hurried up, got back inside, acted normal,
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and they just waited for the moment to strike because
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it was going to be freaking hilarious. All right. So
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some more time passed and everybody's partying, drinking and having
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a good time, and eventually Michael looked up and he noticed,
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oh shit, my bike's gone. So he went up to
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find Paul and he was like, bro, I thought you
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were gonna help me watch my bike. You said you
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were going to watch it. And he kind of slapped
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Paul on the shoulder when he did that. Hey man,
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you said that you were gonna you were gonna watch
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my bike. Well, Michael, Paul tells Michael, look, I didn't know,
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you know, I don't I don't know where your bike went.
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Because he's playing along with the prank. And rather than
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Michael freaking out and them going outside to find the
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bike and then ha ha ha and laughing about it,
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it shifted into something much more tense than what was expected. Now,
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I have nothing to base this on. What I'm gonna say.
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Accept my opinion, but it's based on, you know, everything
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I know about what's going on in the moment. But
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Michael's approach to things seemed to have made it not
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fun almost instantly, like one of those things where it
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was meant to be fun. But the tone that Michael
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took wasn't like an innocent like, oh my god, where's
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my bike where they could laugh and joke. It was
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more like aggressive and pissed off, where another guy would
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kind of cock his head to the side and be like,
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what the hell, bro Like, you know, so I don't.